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Why. all of a sudden. are any of you worried that Trump will act in a way that is the beneath the dignity of a President? Y'all have been highlighting every dumb thing he's done or said for the last 4 years. I know the real reason is because they all think that Biden won't be able to handle a one on one debate or speech. I still think there's a puppet master somewhere guiding all this along and will have Kamala Harris in the seat before the first year is over.
Debates scare ol' Nan, she hasn't had to debate anyone since 1987, the first year she ran for office... true story!
I would like a Trump - Harris debate.
So now the Dem's want to change the rules... again. Both fucking sides are idiotic. This would be a great debate to have a drinking game with... every time Trump waves his tiny hands: Take a shot, every time Biden loses his train of thought and stares blankly ahead: Take a shot. Shit in the first 15 minutes you would be plastered.
I agree with you 100%, but I don't think it will be within a year. I say within 24 hours if he wins
I agree with you 100%, but I don't think it will be within a year. I say within 24 hours if he wins
Actually is a good point. Trump is a terrible speaker and not one who is going to offer anything of substance or merit in a debate. I too don't see the point in a debate.
And this is also a VERY good point.
And this is also a VERY good point.
Muriel Schwenck
Beloved Curmudgeon
Whatever happened to the push up challenge and Biden beating up Trump behind a barn? Biden doesn't talk about that anymore.
Hopefully someone told him to tone down the dumbshit.
He also cant be speaking like that anymore, or repeating shit like when he started doing his best Clint Eastwood ala Gran Torino impression when that autoworker challenged him on gun control. He, with the help of the DNC, has firmly positioned himself as an opposite to Trumps bullish, crude, callous persona. If he goes back to the angry old man schtik we saw frequently on the campaign trail, it ruins that, if nto makes it look outright hypocritical
I get the impression (just, impression) that both are terrible and it would like be watching a retard have an intellectual debate with a senile old fart, and it would not be in the interests of the dems for that fight to be on display because the retard would be less damaging to his own voters than the senile old fart would be to the dem voters.
dems picked so badly, they're so weak, it's interesting.
dems picked so badly, they're so weak, it's interesting.
Muriel Schwenck
Beloved Curmudgeon
@JackBurton Biden is coming across as rather pitiful these days.
I think people would like to see "feisty Biden" again.
I think people would like to see "feisty Biden" again.
Both parties look mighty weak. Dems had to go with THE most well known, established figure in the party to have any chance at dethroning a clown like Trump, and the Republicans aren't even attempting to sell people on any policy and instead have already resorted to the most dimwitted fear-mongering(which to me says something about how they likely aren't viewing Biden or his chances as that slight/weak, if they feel they have to scare folks into thinking he's fucking Lenin in disguise). And then the DNC message seems to be ONLY focused on the "hope" and "diversity" and "were inclusive and kind and American needs healing!" bullshit. It feels like desperation on both sides, and the losers are those of us who hate all of it and want to hear actual, no shit policy plans.
For example, everybody talks endlessly on both sides about how theyll fix the Covid problem and then magically restore the economy, but not a damn person outlines any actual fucking plan in the slightest on how they intend to accomplish it. Trump just rants about how great he's done already, and Biden just talks about how awful Trump has done. It's all ultimately worthless when it comes to the future and buying my vote. It's 100% lip service.
It's an easy choice for the extremists and nutters on either side, but for the rest of us, it honestly kinda comes down thus far to who i find least annoying, and that's an obvious call.
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What's pitiful about him?
I dont see it.
He looked his worse on the campaign trail where he was delivering just endless flubs and botches and embarrassments, whether it the above mentioned angry jerkass schtick when a citizen poses a legitimate question/issue for debate, or whether it was his bizarre lifeguard stories and shit of that ilk. From what ive seen, it's been a good while since he's committed such a fuck-up.
You may be right though. Id like to say i dont think the independent voters, the swing voters, the folks who haven't made up their mind for sure, would be swayed by a dude acting "feisty" and going on the attack and getting uppity and all that. Id like to think that they wouldn't fall for Trump's bullshit about how the democrats are going to turn America into a socialist country and destroy America for all future generations to come. But i know that prob isnt true, and this superficial, meaningless, fake garbage likely will have a significant effect on many.
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Ramona the brave
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Well said @JackBurton.
Not sure if any of y'all watched the DNC at all (I only saw bits and pieces) but Biden actually was a good speaker and did not seem senile at all. I'm honestly not sure where Trump gets that rhetoric. He's not much younger!
Anyway, if he dies or gets dementia, we get Harris. That's not so bad. She's got way more of a get-shit-done attitude. She don't fuck around.
I'm just sick of the drama, man. I don't need to have a scandal every other fucking week. I just want politicians to do their damn jobs in the background for awhile.
Oh and also, idk what Pelosi is on about. They most certainly should debate before the election! Isn't that usually the way things are done? That dusty old claptrap doesn't speak for all Democrats and she certainly doesn't speak for all progressives.
Not sure if any of y'all watched the DNC at all (I only saw bits and pieces) but Biden actually was a good speaker and did not seem senile at all. I'm honestly not sure where Trump gets that rhetoric. He's not much younger!
Anyway, if he dies or gets dementia, we get Harris. That's not so bad. She's got way more of a get-shit-done attitude. She don't fuck around.
I'm just sick of the drama, man. I don't need to have a scandal every other fucking week. I just want politicians to do their damn jobs in the background for awhile.
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Oh and also, idk what Pelosi is on about. They most certainly should debate before the election! Isn't that usually the way things are done? That dusty old claptrap doesn't speak for all Democrats and she certainly doesn't speak for all progressives.
CentreAussie
Trusted Member
For people who have never stood behind a podium in a formal debate, let @CA drop some knowledge on you.
The weakest opponent is someone who lies. The best thing you can hope for in a debate is that your opponent lies constantly. If they are telling lies, it's easy to call them out. It's easy to win.
"Biden should only debate Trump if CNN can fact-check in real-time" bullshit is the ultimate sign of weakness.
In a debate, it's Biden's job to fact check Trump. They know he can't possibly do that. They know that their candidate is a front, a puppet, an empty shell to be filled with the radical left-wing ideology that the Democrat strategists learned from reading Twitter all day.
If Biden can't fact-check Trump in real time, how do you think he will do negotiating with Xi, Putin, the PLO, the Taliban, Kin Jong Un, the Ayatollah or any one of the many other enemies of western democracy?
Democrats are scared, they banked on the 'everythang ray-sis' narrative of BLM and the 'return to the glory days of Obama' rhetoric of Biden. They lost.
It's up to you yanks. Elect a strong asshole, or a weak coward.
We already know how electing weak cowards turns out.
Look at Wisconsin. (looking at you Wheeler).
The weakest opponent is someone who lies. The best thing you can hope for in a debate is that your opponent lies constantly. If they are telling lies, it's easy to call them out. It's easy to win.
"Biden should only debate Trump if CNN can fact-check in real-time" bullshit is the ultimate sign of weakness.
In a debate, it's Biden's job to fact check Trump. They know he can't possibly do that. They know that their candidate is a front, a puppet, an empty shell to be filled with the radical left-wing ideology that the Democrat strategists learned from reading Twitter all day.
If Biden can't fact-check Trump in real time, how do you think he will do negotiating with Xi, Putin, the PLO, the Taliban, Kin Jong Un, the Ayatollah or any one of the many other enemies of western democracy?
Democrats are scared, they banked on the 'everythang ray-sis' narrative of BLM and the 'return to the glory days of Obama' rhetoric of Biden. They lost.
It's up to you yanks. Elect a strong asshole, or a weak coward.
We already know how electing weak cowards turns out.
Look at Wisconsin. (looking at you Wheeler).
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Muriel Schwenck
Beloved Curmudgeon
The CRINGE!
Muriel Schwenck
Beloved Curmudgeon
Unfortunately, Biden seems to perform well only when reading a script or highly orchestrated. That's not Presidential material.
I despise the man, but it's sad seeing anyone stumble mentally in public.
And Harris is widely despised in California, but don't worry, she will win here.
I despise the man, but it's sad seeing anyone stumble mentally in public.
And Harris is widely despised in California, but don't worry, she will win here.
STRONGLY disagree. THis is only true if people care/accept that the lies are in fact, lies. There's MANY people who do not care when a politician lies, especially when it comes to supporters of the current president. There's MANY people who do not believe he lies, no matter how clearcut it is that what's being spewed is blatantly false.
Stupid comparison. Any president is going to have significant time to consult with his cabinet/trusted allies/etc. and military officials before going to the table or making any actual decision regarding any scumbag enemy of America. It's not comparable at all to a live debate where one needs to right there in the moment be able to recall memorized stats and so forth to call bullshit on false claims being made by an opponent.
Meanwhile, Trump seriously just did an interview where he made a wild, bizarre, baseless claim that Biden is being controlled by shadow men dressed in black who have been traveling by airplane to incite riots. Even a nutter bitch like Laura Ingraham had to call him out on it, softly telling him it sounded like a conspiracy theory. When pressed(as much as a dumb cunt like that actually presses someone white and republican), Trump refused to elaborate, claiming it's "under investigation".
I guess i cant tell for sure what's going on with Turmp and the republicans. On the one hand, this is a major ramping up of the pure insanity that has defined them since Trumps campaign run way back before the 2016 election. But on the other hand, while certainly ramped up and even more insane, it still is fairly par for the course. I don't know if they're scared of Bidens chances and thus are engaging in the INSANE scare tactics cuz they have nothing else or are feeling desperate...OR they firmly believe they already have enough Americans on their side to win and but feel they need to solidify it by emboldening and inciting the fucktards into voting. No reasonable minded person is going to buy into this shit, it is not going to sway a swing voter, an undenicded voter, not something THIS batshit. But if there is any concern at all over soe of the nutters perhaps losing interest or risking not turning out to cast a vote, shit like this is going to light a fire under the total nutters' asses and ensure their vote.
Im prob putting too much thought into it. It prob is just Trump being a batshit dumbass. But who knows.
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And yet, still a VASTLY better speaker than Trump. Not saying much, even Bush was a superior speaker.
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Muriel Schwenck
Beloved Curmudgeon
@JackBurton I don't think Biden is a better speaker than Trump these days. I'm no fan of Trump's speaking style but Biden has clearly lost his moxie when speaking off the cuff. He rarely takes questions from a friendly press these days, and his speeches have only been minutes long for many months. Even when he was campaigning before the WuFlu his campaign appearances were short. None of it inspires confidence.
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