Melicious
Fuck Off Felicia
AKC means nothing dude. You think all Pitbull owners register their dogs? BWAHAHAHA!
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biteme
The Rev, Molon labe
I must live in the wrong area code, don't see any around here
BWAHAHAHA!
cattitude
Active Member
Well, the media will only tell you what they want you to hear.
No one knew what pit bull was until DMX had them in his music videos. Before that, rottweilers were the viscous human eaters, but do you hear about them now?
I have a pit bull now, and have fostered a few in the past with no issues. I've been attacked to the ground by a german shepard and bit in the face by a cocker spaniel. Just last week I was driving and a stray all black shepard-like dog attacked my car... while it was moving...
Melicious
Fuck Off Felicia
Perhaps or maybe it's because my profession that makes the difference. I'm a dog walker and pet sitter and work closely with many rescues. The numbers you gave are based on AKC Registered purebreds. It's not an accurate number of how many of each breed exists. Over 200 Pitbulls are killed daily in LA County and the breed makes up 40% of the dogs in shelters.
http://www.pbrc.net/breeding.html
cattitude
Active Member
I was under the impression that the AKC doesn't recognize pits as a breed.
Melicious
Fuck Off Felicia
They actually do, but it's got to be a full bred American Staffordshire Terrier.
cattitude
Active Member
Ah, yeah I wasn't sure if they acknowledged them either. Good to know.
You can basically take any box headed lab mix and call it a pit bull. In the medias eyes.
TKaz
Trusted Member
When I met my husband he had a pit/rottie/shar pei mix....sweetest dog in the world!! But his other dog, a chow chow was a little scary. I didn't realize until it was too late but he had dementia so he treated us like we were strangers, freaked me out. If I fed him I had to leave it outside & walk away, he wouldn't come near. But if we stayed too long he'd charge us. Both have passed since.
ANYWAY...LITTLE dogs scare me. My dog is a poodle mix, but he's 40 lbs. Some woman was holding this trembling teacup Chihuahua and asked if I wanted to hold it. Uhhhh.....no. That thing is scared & if I touch it, it's sure to latch on with it's teeth!
TKaz
Trusted Member
We had one of those. But I think he may have been a mutt, I think his muzzle was longer? Or at least, that's what my stepdad said he was...
Krystal
Veteran Member
But isn't that a Staffordshire Terrier then and not a Pit Bull? I thought a Pit Bull was a mix of the Staffordshire and a Bulldog, English, right?
ETA: This is an honest question, I'm not asking to be an ass. I do want to know because I was always taught that a pit bull was a mixed breed or as they call them now hybrids, like a Cock-a-poo, Golden-doodle, etc.
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biteme
The Rev, Molon labe
That was my point about zip codes, I'm sure certain areas are dominated by certain breeds, doubt you'll find many pit bulls in Atherton, Portola Vally, or Hillsboro yet East LA is over run by them, and they over breed them, so they end up everywhere in the immediate area
Pit bull domain is small compared to the whole state, in my area you would think the state is over run by Shih Tzu's every broad in the area drives by with one in her lap, yet go to Oakland and all you see is Pit bulls, but they still do not dominate in pure numbers
they still lag behind Shepherds and labs
This is insane, I understand where you are coming from
cattitude
Active Member
No. I'm not sure about the difference between a staffy and a pit, but I know a pit is not defined as a staffy/english bulldog mix.
I can't really find anything different between a staffy and pit. I think staffys just have a tracked blood line, where as pits are the same thing but they're more loosely bred.
Pits aren't always these big muscle masses either. I only knew one pit that was a brick house. Most of them are just scrawny little things with big heads. Mine is 13yrs old and 40lbs, but it's mostly treats.
Krystal
Veteran Member
Pit Bull Terrier[edit]
The Pit Bull Terrier was created by breeding mastiffs[citation needed] and terriers together to produce a dog that combined the gameness and agility of the terrier with the strength of the mastiff.[5] These dogs were bred in England as all-around farm dogs, and arrived in the United States where they became the direct ancestors of the American Pitbull Terrier. In the United Kingdom Pit Bulls were used in bloodsports such as bull baiting, bear baiting and cock fighting. These bloodsports were officially eliminated in 1835 as Britain began to introduce animal welfare laws. Since dogfights were cheaper to organise and far easier to conceal from the law than bull or bear baits, bloodsport proponents turned to pitting their dogs against each other instead. Dog fighting was used as both a bloodsport (often involving gambling) and a way to continue to test the quality of their stock. For decades afterwards, dog fighting clandestinely took place in small areas of Britain and America. In the early 20th century pitbulls were used as catch dogs in America for semi-wild cattle and hogs, to hunt, and drive livestock, and as family companions.[5] Some have been selectively bred for their fighting prowess.[6][7]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_Bull
The Pit Bull Terrier was created by breeding mastiffs[citation needed] and terriers together to produce a dog that combined the gameness and agility of the terrier with the strength of the mastiff.[5] These dogs were bred in England as all-around farm dogs, and arrived in the United States where they became the direct ancestors of the American Pitbull Terrier. In the United Kingdom Pit Bulls were used in bloodsports such as bull baiting, bear baiting and cock fighting. These bloodsports were officially eliminated in 1835 as Britain began to introduce animal welfare laws. Since dogfights were cheaper to organise and far easier to conceal from the law than bull or bear baits, bloodsport proponents turned to pitting their dogs against each other instead. Dog fighting was used as both a bloodsport (often involving gambling) and a way to continue to test the quality of their stock. For decades afterwards, dog fighting clandestinely took place in small areas of Britain and America. In the early 20th century pitbulls were used as catch dogs in America for semi-wild cattle and hogs, to hunt, and drive livestock, and as family companions.[5] Some have been selectively bred for their fighting prowess.[6][7]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_Bull
Krystal
Veteran Member
No. Also, Wikipedia said that the term pit bull is used to more or less describe a class of characteristics more than anactual breed. Which I think was what was closest to the answer that I was looking for. More like, what makes a pit bull a pit bull, what dogs are classified as that, I guess is what I should have said.
I wasn't clear. Staffordshire terriers look different to me than what I know as a pit bull and that's what had me wondering, but I totally didn't make myself clear in my question because my question still isn't clear inmy own head.
Melicious
Fuck Off Felicia
I honestly don't know for sure. But American Staffs were the first to adopt the knickname and after that the term "Pitbull" was used as a loose term to describe any dog that even remotely resembled an American Staff or with a boxy head. It's so discombobulated now that I don't think anyone knows. I do know that the AKC forbids use of the term to refer to American Staffs.
ScarlettHarlot
Well-Known Member
Pit bulls are banned here, and I was wondering whether American staffies would be labelled as pit bulls... so I went to wiki, saw an image of an American Staffordshire Terrier, and thought "hhmm, that does look a lot like my idea of a pit bull, since American staffies are a lot bigger than English Staffies."
So I then go to the wiki page on the American Pit Bull Terrier, and find the exact same photo of the same dog, but apparently it's now a pit bull and not a staffie.
Of course, the staffie is now taking a lot of flack over here because it's the new status dog, tends to have a lot of pups, and is being over produced and interbred with mastiffs, other bull types, and some illegal pits.
I'm wary of breed specific legislation - I'm convinced it's down to poor breeding and poor ownership, but I'm also very aware of the power of these dogs, and my own dog was almost killed by a staffie that grabbed hold of and ripped his shoulder. Had he got the throat bite he was aiming for, my sweet spaniel wouldn't have survived.
I'm wary of most any dog I don't know while walking my dogs, but have to admit to being especially careful when I see any status type dog. I love shepherds, but don't trust other peoples. I'm happy with my springer spaniels anyway!
So I then go to the wiki page on the American Pit Bull Terrier, and find the exact same photo of the same dog, but apparently it's now a pit bull and not a staffie.
Of course, the staffie is now taking a lot of flack over here because it's the new status dog, tends to have a lot of pups, and is being over produced and interbred with mastiffs, other bull types, and some illegal pits.
I'm wary of breed specific legislation - I'm convinced it's down to poor breeding and poor ownership, but I'm also very aware of the power of these dogs, and my own dog was almost killed by a staffie that grabbed hold of and ripped his shoulder. Had he got the throat bite he was aiming for, my sweet spaniel wouldn't have survived.
I'm wary of most any dog I don't know while walking my dogs, but have to admit to being especially careful when I see any status type dog. I love shepherds, but don't trust other peoples. I'm happy with my springer spaniels anyway!
CLouise
Well-Known Member
I have friends who do their dog is super placid. I have two pugs, they all play together. The only time they get worked up is over food or a big dog there not used to. They'll grab each other by the side of the neck fat or nip the others tail.
I've found its very hard for them to do any thing more because their mouths/snout are so small.
The only time I remember one of them lunging, I was eating something with one on my lap and she nipped my chin, her teeth didn't touch just her jowls and slobber. That was my fault, they have to keep their distance now.
Mata Hari
Dirty Gutter Bitch
This 100x. If I can't beat it in a fight, I don't want it in my house or near me or my kid.
ChaosKitty
Queen Bitch From Hell
you always have to be wary of a dog that you don't think you could take as you don't know what has happened to it and the more "bully" breeds have the muscle and teeth to back their action. I love Kangals a form of ANatolian herd dog and one of the oldest breeds, their known as wolf killers because they can, there's a video of a situation through a guys cam he had set up over in Turkey and showed a couple of wolves coming in to go after the goats [I think or sheep] and the dog killed both of them, had one want another but I need to get my place more enclosed as they are territorial and their territory can be where they think it is: people before me had a Pyrenees [close related to them] and it would go down the way and across the street and would let my neighbor get his mail out of his box! they also are funny around other dogs "in their area"
sum bitch
Trusted Member
She's cute. I've always thought pit bulls have the cutest faces. Of course not if they're baring their teeth and ready to charge.
She's totally gonna bite everyone's face off.
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