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OMG,,,,:evil:

I am so excited she is getting out,,,wouldn't it be great if she would talk!!
I wonder if she will remain loyal to Charlie or if she will shun him.

If she has an once of sense left, she'll stay mum and sell her story for millions $$$,,,then she can go build a shrine to Chuck or start The Family 2.0,,,whatever LOL,,,I bet they never let her go and visit Manson before he dies,,,I hear he is sick, but who knows??.
 
Charles Manson & Family 40yrs later

Thought since they are back in the news lately with Lynette "Sqeaky" Fromm Id check some things out b/c I was a baby and dont remember anything except what Ive read and seen on TV. .Profile of Charles MansonCharles Manson
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In 1969 Charlie Manson emerged from his prison cell onto the streets of Haight-Ashbury and soon became the leader of followers who became known as the Family. Manson wanted to get into the music business, but when that failed his criminal personality emerged and he and some of his followers became involved in torture and murder. Most notably were the murders of actress Sharon Tate who was eight months pregnant and four others at her home, along with the murders of Leon and Rosemary LaBianca
Born Charles Maddox
Charles Manson was born on November 12, 1934 in Cincinnati, Ohio. His 16-year-old mother, Kathleen Maddox was promiscuous, a criminal, drank too much and failed to take care of her illegitimate child. Soon after his birth, Kathleen was briefly married to William Manson, and Charlie's last name changed from Maddox to Manson. In 1940, she was found guilty of Strong Armed Robbery and sent to prison.
A Childhood Story:
A story Manson often told described the lack of care his mother showed him. "Mom was in a cafe one afternoon with me on her lap. The waitress, a would-be mother without a child of her own, jokingly told my Mom she'd buy me from her. Mom replied, 'A pitcher of beer and he's yours.' The waitress set up the beer, Mom stuck around long enough to finish it off and left the place without me. Several days later my uncle had to search the town for the waitress and take me home."
From Reform School to Prison:
In 1951 Manson's criminal activity moved from state to more serious federal offenses after he was caught driving a stolen vehicle over state lines. For his crime, Charlie graduated from reform school to federal prison. . He was transferred to another prison and cleaned up his act, resulting in his release in 1954. During the next year, he met and married 17-year-old Rosalie Jean Willis.
Charles M. Manson Jr. is Born:
Soon after their marriage, the newlyweds took off to California in a stolen car. Rosalie became pregnant.Being on probation failed to slow him down, however, and his probation was revoked and he was sent to Terminal Island Prison for three years. Rosalie gave birth to Charles M. Manson, Jr. (who committed suicide in 1993) and left town with a new boyfriend. Charlie never saw his wife or his child again.
Pimping and Stealing:
Manson was released from prison in 1958 and supported himself as a pimp in Hollywood. By 1959 he was again in front of the courts after being arrested for trying to cash a check stolen from a mailbox. He received a 10-year suspended sentence, allowing him to meet and marry his second wife before his next arrest in June 1960
Charles Luther Mason is Born
Manson spent the next seven years first at the McNeil Island Penitentiary in Washington State then at Terminal Island in California. His wife divorced him after the birth of his second son, Charles Luther Manson. He was released in March 1967 and headed to Haight-Ashbury, where he blended in among many other outcasts who gravitated to the area in the 1960s
Mary Brunner
Soon after arriving in the area he met Mary Brunner, who was a college graduate working as a librarian at UC Berkeley.She accepted his desire to sleep with other women, started doing drugs. She was instrumental in helping entice people they met to join the Manson Family.
Manson the GuruLynette Fromme
was one of the first to join Brunner and Manson. The three lived together on Cole Street in San Francisco.The Family began to grow as did Charlie's reputation for having a kind of sixth sense about him. His manipulative traits from childhood, polished during his years in prison, were now refined and his followers believed he was a guru/prophet.
Charlie Manson and The Family
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Spahn's Movie Ranch:
the family grew, they moved like gypsies, eventually ending up at Spahn's Movie Ranch in Chatsworth. On April 1, 1968 Brunner gave birth to Manson's third son, Valentine Michael Manson. Manson, elated at having a son to carry on his legacy, made it known he wanted more family children. Brunner, now mother to Manson's child, grew even more loyal to his ideas and to the growing family.
Moving Around Hollywood's Elite:
Manson was a small wry man, who was generally unattractive which, further enhanced by his poor personal hygiene. He was hired by Universal Studios to consult on a movie because of his ability to quickly quote passages in the Bible..
Denis Wilson and Terry Melcher:
Manson met Dennis Wilson, drummer for the Beach Boys. Wilson and Manson became friends and Manson and his girls spent a lot of time hanging around Wilson's mansion, driving his cars and using his personal belongings, even while Wilson was out on the road.
Rejected From Hollywood:
Dennis Wilson eventually pulled away from the family. He had his manager handle the dirty business of getting rid Manson and his followers.For Manson, the rejection from Hollywood's elite and the failed production of his music taped into his anger and jealousy of those who were rich and famous.
The Bible and The Beatles:
In December 1968, he and Charles Watson listened to the new Beatle's album, The White Album, and Manson became obsessed with some of the songs, especially Helter Skelter and Revolution 9. His interpretation of the lyrics, woven in with his view of Revelations, resulted in a philosophy which envisioned an apocalypse brought on by a race war of blacks killing whites.
According to his philosophy, the blacks would win, but would ultimately turn to Manson and The Family to help lead the new world.
The Fifth Angel:
he convinced many that he was "the fifth angel" (Verse 1 of the Book of Revelation) who would be given "the key to the pit of the abyss,
Bernard Crowe:
In the summer of 1969 Manson's message became darker as his followers' loyalty increased. This loyalty was constantly tested by Manson, as his instructions to his inner circle became increasingly violent in nature It was also during this summer that Tex Watson stole $2,000 from drug dealer, Bernard Crowe, who in return threatened to retaliate. Manson ended the threats by shooting Crowe in the stomach. Manson thought he killed Crowe, but he survived and never reported the shooting to police.
Paranoia Runs Deep:
After the shooting of Crowe, many of the closer Manson followers became paranoid that The Family's safety was in jeopardy. They armed themselves with guns and knives and kept a supply of ammunition around the ranch.He confided in them that he was Jesus and they were his chosen disciples. And many believed him.
Gary Hinman - The First Known Murder:
Gary Hinman was a music teacher who was working on his Ph.D. in Sociology at UCLA. He met some of the Manson family members and allowed them to sometimes stay at his Topanga Canyon home. He was also an alleged manufacturer of synthetic mescaline. On July 25, 1969
Manson sent family members Mary Brunner, Susan Atkins and Bobby Beausoleil to get cash from Hinman. Hinman refused to turn over the money and Manson and Bruce Davis joined the other family members to convince him otherwise. An argument erupted between the two and Manson pulled out a sword and cut off Hinman's ear.
Afterwards, Manson and Davis left in one of Hinman's cars and the three left behind were instructed not to let Hinman go until he turned over the money. The group held Hinman for three days, finally stabbing him to death as he begged them to go away. The killing was said to be ordered by Manson.
Afterwards, to make the police believe it was the work of the Black Panthers, the group wrote the words "Political Piggy" in Hinman's blood next to a bloody paw print on the wall.
On August 6, 1969, Bobby Beausoleil was arrested for Hinman's murder after police stopped him while driving one of Hinman's cars. Some believe his arrest was the real motivation behind the killing spree that began a few days later. The plan was to murder wealthy white people and make it look like the murders were committed by blacks. This would confuse investigators and they would release Beausoleil from prison.
Others believe the murders began because it was time for the revolution to begin,,The beginning of Helter Skelter
Tate Murders
On the night of August 8, 1969, Charles "Tex" Watson, Susan Atkins, Patricia Krenwinkel, and Linda Kasabian were sent by Charlie to the old home of Terry Melcher at 10050 Cielo Drive. Their instructions were to kill everyone at the house and make it appear like Hinman's murder, with words and symbols written in blood on the walls. The four did as they were told and brutally killed Steven Parent, Jay Sebring, Wojciech Frykowski, Abigail Folger, Sharon Tate and Sharon Tate's unborn child
Leno and Rosemary LaBianca:
The next day Manson, Tex Watson, Susan Atkins, Patricia Krenwinkel, Steve Grogan, Leslie Van Houten, and Linda Kasabian went to the home of Leno and Rosemary Labianca. Manson and Watson tied up the couple and Manson left. He told Van Houten and Krenwinkel to go in and kill the LaBiancas. The three separated the couple and murdered them, then had dinner and a shower and hitchhiked back to Spahn Ranch. Manson, Atkins, Grogan and Kasabian drove around looking for others to kill, but failed.
Manson and The Family Arrested:
rumors of the group's involvement began to circulate. So did the police helicopters above the ranch, but because of unrelated investigation. Parts of stolen cars were spotted in and around the ranch by police in the helicopters. On August 16, 1969, Manson and the Family were rounded up by police and taken in on suspicion of auto theft (not an unfamiliar charge for Manson). The search warrant ended up being invalid because of a date error and the group was released.
Donald "Shorty" Shea
Charlie blamed the arrests on Spahn's ranch hand Donald "Shorty" Shea for snitching on the family. It was no secret that Shorty wanted the family off the ranch. Manson decided it was time for the family to move to Barker Ranch near Death Valley, but before leaving, Manson, Bruce Davis, Tex Watson and Steve Grogan killed Shorty and buried his body behind the ranch.
The Barker Ranch Raid:
On October 10, 1969 Barker Ranch was raided after investigators spotted stolen cars on the property and traced evidence of an arson back to Manson. Manson was not around during the first Family roundup, but returned on October 12 and was arrested with seven other family members. When police arrived Manson hid under a small bathroom cabinet, but was quickly discovered.
The Confession of Susan Atkins:
One of the biggest breaks in the case came when Susan Atkins boasted in detail about the murders to her prison cell mates. She gave specific details about Manson and the killings. She also told of other famous people the Family planned on killing. Her cellmate reported the information to the authorities and Atkins was offered a life sentence in return for her testimony. She refused the offer, but repeated the prison cell story to the grand jury. Later Atkins recannted her grand jury testimony.
The Grand Jury Indictment:
It took 20 minutes for the grand jury to hand down murder indictments on Manson, Watson, Krenwinkel, Atkins, Kasabian, and Van Houten. Watson was fighting extradition from Texas and Kasabian became the prosecutions main witness. Manson, Atkins, Krenwinkel and Van Houten were tried together. Chief prosecutor, Vincent Bugliosi, offered Kasabian prosecutorial immunity for her testimony. Kasabian agreed, giving Bugliosi the final piece of the puzzle needed to convict Manson and the others.
Bugliosi's Challenge - Manson Never Murdered Anyone:
The challenge for Bugliosi was to get the jury to find Manson as responsible for the murders as those who actually committed the murders. Manson's courtroom antics helped Bugliosi accomplish this task. On the first day of court he showed up with a bloody swastika carved into his forehead. He tried starring down Bugliosi and with a series of hand gestures had the three women disrupt the courtroom, all in hopes of a mistrial.
The Tate Murders:
On the night of August 8, 1969, Charles "Tex" Watson, Susan Atkins, Patricia Krenwinkel, and Linda Kasabian were sent by Charlie to the old home of Terry Melcher at 10050 Cielo Drive. Their instructions were to kill everyone at the house and make it appear like Hinman's murder, with words and symbols written in blood on the walls. The four did as they were told and brutally killed Steven Parent, Jay Sebring, Wojciech Frykowski, Abigail Folger, Sharon Tate and Sharon Tate's unborn child.
Leno and Rosemary LaBianca:
The next day Manson, Tex Watson, Susan Atkins, Patricia Krenwinkel, Steve Grogan, Leslie Van Houten, and Linda Kasabian went to the home of Leno and Rosemary Labianca. Manson and Watson tied up the couple and Manson left. He told Van Houten and Krenwinkel to go in and kill the LaBiancas. The three separated the couple and murdered them, then had dinner and a shower and hitchhiked back to Spahn Ranch. Manson, Atkins, Grogan and Kasabian drove around looking for others to kill, but failed.
Manson and The Family Arrested:
At Spahn Ranch rumors of the group's involvement began to circulate. So did the police helicopters above the ranch, but because of unrelated investigation. Parts of stolen cars were spotted in and around the ranch by police in the helicopters. On August 16, 1969, Manson and the Family were rounded up by police and taken in on suspicion of auto theft (not an unfamiliar charge for Manson). The search warrant ended up being invalid because of a date error and the group was released.
Donald "Shorty" Shea :
Charlie blamed the arrests on Spahn's ranch hand Donald "Shorty" Shea for snitching on the family. It was no secret that Shorty wanted the family off the ranch. Manson decided it was time for the family to move to Barker Ranch near Death Valley, but before leaving, Manson, Bruce Davis, Tex Watson and Steve Grogan killed Shorty and buried his body behind the ranch.
The Barker Ranch Raid:
The Family moved onto the Barker Ranch and spent time turning stolen cars into dune buggys. On October 10, 1969 Barker Ranch was raided after investigators spotted stolen cars on the property and traced evidence of an arson back to Manson. Manson was not around during the first Family roundup, but returned on October 12 and was arrested with seven other family members. When police arrived Manson hid under a small bathroom cabinet, but was quickly discovered.
The Confession of Susan Atkins:
One of the biggest breaks in the case came when Susan Atkins boasted in detail about the murders to her prison cell mates. She gave specific details about Manson and the killings. She also told of other famous people the Family planned on killing. Her cellmate reported the information to the authorities and Atkins was offered a life sentence in return for her testimony. She refused the offer, but repeated the prison cell story to the grand jury. Later Atkins recannted her grand jury testimony.
The Grand Jury Indictment:
It took 20 minutes for the grand jury to hand down murder indictments on Manson, Watson, Krenwinkel, Atkins, Kasabian, and Van Houten. Watson was fighting extradition from Texas and Kasabian became the prosecutions main witness. Manson, Atkins, Krenwinkel and Van Houten were tried together. Chief prosecutor, Vincent Bugliosi, offered Kasabian prosecutorial immunity for her testimony. Kasabian agreed, giving Bugliosi the final piece of the puzzle needed to convict Manson and the others.
Bugliosi's Challenge - Manson Never Murdered Anyone:
The challenge for Bugliosi was to get the jury to find Manson as responsible for the murders as those who actually committed the murders. Manson's courtroom antics helped Bugliosi accomplish this task. On the first day of court he showed up with a bloody swastika carved into his forehead. He tried starring down Bugliosi and with a series of hand gestures had the three women disrupt the courtroom, all in hopes of a mistrial.
Manson Is Found Guilty:
It was Kasabian's account of the murders and of the control that Manson had over the Family that nailed Bugliosi's case.On January 25, 1971 the jury returned a guilty verdict of all defendants and on all counts of first-degree murder. Manson, like the other three defendants, was sentenced to death in the gas chamber. Manson shouted, "You people have no authority over me," as he was led off in handcuffs.
Manson's Prison Years:
Manson was originally sent to San Quentin State Prison, but was transferred to Vacaville then to Folsom and then back to San Quentin because of his constant conflicts with prison officials and other inmates. In 1989 he was sent to California's Corcoran State Prison where he currently resides. Because of various infractions in prison, Manson has spent a considerable amount of time under disciplinary custody (or as prisoners call it, "the hole"), where he was kept in isolation for 23 hours a day and kept handcuffed when moving within the general prison areas.When not in the hole he, is kept in the prison's Protective Housing Unit (PHU) because of threats made on his life. Since his incarceration he has been raped, set on fire, beaten several times and poisoned. While in PHU he is allowed to visit with other inmates, have books, art supplies and other restricted privileges.restricted privileges.

Over the years he has been charged with various crimes including conspiracy to distribute narcotics, destruction of state property, and assault of a prison guard.

He has been denied parole 10 times, the last time in 2001 when he refused to attend the hearing because he was forced to wear handcuffs.
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http://crime.about.com/od/murder/p/charliemanson.htm,,,manson family album theres 30 pics of them.
 
Good research, whispers.

In his earlier pic his eyes are those of a zealot.

In the more recent pic his eyes are just tired.
 
I have a question:

How in the hell is anyone actually able to remember 1969?

I mean hell you read the history books and stuff and you would swear that EVERYBODY in America was stoned stupid....(Woodstock, The whole counter culture, hippie thing)

So I will ask again.....

How does anyone remember 1969?
 
I remember 1969. I was 11.

But, then again, I wasn't stoned stupid.

I will admit that I never did drugs, though.
 
I was 3 in 69 and strange as this sounds I have a memory of when I was 6 months old my bio dad stabbed me b/c my mom thew his case of beer off the 3rd floor balcony b/c he was supposed to bring milk home and bought beer.Anyways I have that memory BUT I think its more a memory of people talking about it over the yrs in whispers thinking I could hear them.Anything else that far back I can remember bits and pieces but nothing major.
 
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Perhaps I should clarify my comments a little bit because it almost sounds like nobody is getting the fact that I was just trying to be a smart ass...

The ironic thing is that if you talk to anyone who is say mid to late 50's to about age 60 or above, they will tell you all about being at woodstock, being a part of the whole hippie movement and/or they hung out in San Fransisco....

And I am always amazed that:

A. They lived to tell about it. and

B. Remember it at all!
 
LOL K but I am not even close to 50s and 60s and I remember the hippie movement. When I was 5 or 6 and I was heartbroken over the fact that we went to Pine Plaza in the Sault.There was a guy sitting there playing guitar and people were throwing money into his guitar case.So we tossed some money in and I remember asking my mom what he was doing.She said that he travelled all over and this was how he made money to eat and clean up etc,etc.I asked why we couldnt bring him home so he could eat and shower and he wouldnt have to worry about singing for money.And I was heart broken and hated my mom b/c she was trying to explain to me that was his lifestyle but I thought she was just being mean!! I cried for days,needless to say that was a look into my future of rescueing strays .And I remember going to concerts all over Ontario,Cat Stevens,3 Dog Night,The Highway Men(something like that) my mom was a hippie and we lived all over Ontario but I dont remember the Manson Family when it was happening now the Partridge Family lol I remember
 
I remember 1969. Like CD, I wasn't stoned stupid. Don't ask me about 1979, though. By 1989, I was better at remembering things. Remembering things in 2009 is a whole different problem.

I read Helter Skelter when it came out. I know I've read a few other Manson books.

Even without the drugs, it is amazing the way he can sway some people. Glad none of them are on the parole board.
 
I actually just picked up Helter Skelter the other day to read.I remember my mom had it when I was a kid she read itTheres huge bookstore(house by me) called Juniper I think they are in states to but they have 35,000 in each place old,new,collexctables,trade them in etc,I found Sybil there,Helter Skelter etc.
 
TY that was the hardest part was condensing small snippets from each time frame.I didnt want to skip alot but didnt want to write a book either.I never realized he had a son ,named Charles Manson Jr.Committed suicide.I cant imagine what he went through with that name.
 
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In August of 1969, I was visiting my friend, Terry Melcher. The drinks were good. Terry knew how to throw a party. That's the last I remember of the 60's.

My next memory is of being born again in 1971.
 
In August of 1969, I was visiting my friend, Terry Melcher. The drinks were good. Terry knew how to throw a party. That's the last I remember of the 60's.

My next memory is of being born again in 1971.



[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH1WSeH1KMQ"]YouTube - Terry Melcher & Doris Day "These Days"[/ame]
 
Manson's lasting legacy: 'Live freaky, die freaky'
(CNN) --
Forty years ago, a group of young people led by a charismatic, 5-foot-2-inch ex-con named Charles Manson set out on a murderous spree in Los Angeles, California. They planned to spark an apocalyptic race war that Manson called "Helter Skelter," after a song by the Beatles.
Charles Manson's mug shot shows a beard gone gray. The swastika on his forehead is still visible.

Over two nights in August 1969, the killers took the lives of seven people, inflicting 169 stab wounds and seven .22-caliber gunshot wounds. They used the blood of their victims to scrawl anti-establishment messages on the walls: "Pig," "Death to Pigs," "Rise" and a misspelled "Healter Skelter."

"The murders were probably the most bizarre and far-out in the recorded annals of American time," said Vincent Bugliosi, who prosecuted Manson and members of his "Family" and later wrote the best-selling book "Helter Skelter." "People are fascinated by the strange and the bizarre."

Crimes linger in our memories when they are especially horrific or when they represent the era in which they occur. The Manson murders did both. And they grew to symbolize the dark side of the California dream, as well as the political, social and cultural turbulence of the 1960s. Listen to the music of the Manson murders »

Laurie Levenson, a professor at Loyola Law School who follows high-profile cases, described Manson as the worst of the worst, evil incarnate.

"If you're going to be evil, you have to be off-the-charts evil, and Charlie Manson was off-the-charts evil," said Levenson.

The Manson murders abruptly ended the "decade of love," and Southern California lost its sun-kissed, self-indulgent innocence. The crimes added a lasting mantra for the times, Los Angeles Times columnist Patt Morrison said: "Live freaky, die freaky."

"It was the dark side of paradise," Morrison said. "People could shake their fingers and say, 'This is where your high-living, rich, hippie, movie-star lifestyle gets you. This is where the drug culture gets you.' It's the boomerang effect, the wages of sin."

Actress Sharon Tate, 26, famed hairstylist Jay Sebring, 35, coffee fortune heiress Abigail Folger, 25, and two others died shortly after midnight August 9, 1969, at a rambling house overlooking Benedict Canyon.

Tate was married to director Roman Polanski and eight months pregnant. She begged in vain for her life, saying she wanted to live to have her baby, according to Bugliosi.

The next night, grocer Leno LaBianca, 44, and his wife, Rosemary, 38, were butchered in their home in the wealthy Los Feliz neighborhood. Rosemary LaBianca was stabbed 41 times. A fork jutted from Leno LaBianca's abdomen, where one of his killers had carved the word "war."

When arrests came and the identities of the killers became known, the case grew even more frightening, Bugliosi said.
Manson's aging 'Family' longs for freedom The suspects were hippies who lived in a commune at an old movie set in the San Fernando Valley called Spahn Ranch, where they dropped acid, engaged in orgies and went on nighttime break-ins, missions they called "creepy crawls."

"They could have been the kid next door," Bugliosi said. "Tex Watson was a straight-A student, a track star. Patricia Krenwinkel wanted to be a nun and sang in a church choir. Leslie Van Houten was homecoming princess at Monrovia High School."

They were in thrall of Manson, who told them he was Jesus Christ -- and the devil, rolled into one.

Manson's "Helter Skelter" race war and revolution never came. He and Susan Atkins, Watson, Krenwinkel and Van Houten are serving life terms for their roles in the murders. Atkins, who is said to be dying of brain cancer, has a parole hearing next month.

With their brew of violence, music and anti-establishment youth counterculture, the murders and ensuing trials established Manson as a perverse cultural icon that endures to this day. Along the way, the mastermind transcended his victims, and the Tate-LaBianca murders became known as the Manson murders.

Charlie Manson's image can still be found on posters and T-shirts. In 1998, the animated television series "South Park" featured Manson in a Christmas special. There have been books, a play, an opera and television movies about the case. There are even iPhone applications of Manson's famous quotes. Learn more about the music that was influenced by Manson »

"Manson is like a Rorschach test," said Robert Thompson, a Syracuse University professor who teaches popular culture. "How you interpret his place in popular culture depends on your own place in the culture."

Before the Manson murders, no one thought hippies were capable of violence. The Manson Family was "looking and living like typical hippies," Bugliosi said, "but they were mass murderers. That was their religion, their credo. They wanted to kill as many people as they could. That shocked the nation, and that hurt the countercultural movement."

Manson's musical roots partially explain his staying power. A folk singer, he wanted to break into the music industry and recorded some songs with one of the Beach Boys. Manson's own music has continued to influence other performers, like Guns N' Roses and Marilyn Manson.

Manson believed that the Beatles were speaking to him through the lyrics of the White Album, which was released in late 1968. The apocalyptic message, as Manson interpreted it: Blacks would "rise up" and overthrow the white establishment in a race war. Manson and his Family would be spared by hiding out in a "bottomless pit" near Death Valley until he could emerge to assume leadership of the post-revolutionary order.

Manson's crimes continue to evoke a strong reaction long after public obsession over other high-profile cases has faded. He was the bogeyman under the bed, the personification of evil, the freaky one-man horror show. For years, when prison officials still allowed it, he gave television interviews, never failing to shock. The interviews kept memories of him fresh long after he was locked up.

"You got a pistol on you?" he asked Tom Snyder during a televised 1981 prison interview. "Well, I just thought you might not like what I have done and want to do something about it."

Seven years later, he was far more volatile during a televised conversation with Geraldo Rivera: "I'm gonna kill you, as many as I can. I'm gonna pile you up to the sky, I figure about 50 million ..."

What sets Manson apart from other infamous killers is that he never killed anyone himself, Levenson said. Instead, he convinced others, mostly women, to kill for him. His powers of persuasion didn't stop there.

During his 1970 trial, Manson carved an X in his forehead, saying, "I have Xed myself from your world." His codefendants and sidewalk followers soon did the same. When Manson was convicted, he and his codefendants shaved their heads.


"It's mind warp. That was really scary," Levenson said. "It wasn't just that people were spouting beliefs for him; they were cutting crosses in their heads.

"I think Manson will haunt us forever."
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/08/10/california.manson.murders/index.html
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Susan Atkins and Tex Watsons New Mug Shots
 
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MJC

I have a question:

How in the hell is anyone actually able to remember 1969?

I mean hell you read the history books and stuff and you would swear that EVERYBODY in America was stoned stupid....(Woodstock, The whole counter culture, hippie thing)

So I will ask again.....

How does anyone remember 1969?

I do. I was 20 when Manson's people did the killing.

I may have been a hippie but was one who didn't do drugs. I was married, had two children, and in college. No time for drugs, too busy. I did however believe in the end of the Nam war.

This man was a sociopath, not crazy. The ones who followed him were for the most part runaways, petty criminals, drug users, and very disturbed teens or young adults.

Most had no family or family who did not care about them. Manson offered them a sense of family and a sense of belonging which most had not experienced.
 
Manson Follower Susan Atkins Dies at 61
Susan Atkins, a follower of cult leader Charles Manson whose remorseless confession to killing pregnant actress Sharon Tate in 1969 shocked the world, has died. She was 61 and had been suffering from brain cancer.

Ms. Atkins' death comes less than a month after a parole board turned down the terminally ill woman's last chance at freedom on Sept. 2. She was brought to the hearing on a gurney and slept through most of it.

California Department of Corrections spokeswoman Terry Thornton said that Ms. Atkins died late Thursday night. She had been diagnosed with brain cancer in 2008, had a leg amputated and was given only a few months to live.

She underwent brain surgery, and in her last months was paralyzed and had difficulty speaking. But Ms. Atkins managed to speak briefly at the Sept. 2 hearing, reciting religious verse with the help of her husband, attorney James Whitehouse.

She had been transferred to a skilled nursing facility at the California Central Women's Facility at Chowchilla exactly one year before she died.
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Ms. Atkins married twice while in prison. Her first husband, Donald Lee Laisure, purported to be an eccentric Texas millionaire. They quickly divorced. Mr. Whitehouse, her second husband, is a Harvard Law School graduate and had recently served as one of her attorneys.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125387364813140629.html
 
I'm glad she's dead, and I'm glad she suffered. I'm also glad she never got paroled. :)
 
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The taxpayers are finally free. I wished her death had been a little more painful.

Interesting facts.

“The additional cost of confining an inmate to death row, as compared to the maximum security prisons where those sentenced to life without possibility of parole ordinarily serve their sentences, is $90,000 per year per inmate. With California’s current death row population of 670, that accounts for $63.3 million annually.â€￾

Using conservative rough projections, the Commission estimates the annual costs of the present (death penalty) system to be $137 million per year.

The cost of the present system with reforms recommended by the Commission to ensure a fair process would be $232.7 million per year.

The cost of a system in which the number of death-eligible crimes was significantly narrowed would be $130 million per year.

The cost of a system which imposes a maximum penalty of lifetime incarceration instead of the death penalty would be $11.5 million per year.
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty
 
good. what is the sense of a sentence of life without parole if we parole them? if they experience a moral reawakening and change from the inside out..great! wonderful! if they then turn, without fanfare, to helping other inmates...terrific! i'm truly glad they changed. but keep them in prison and let them do their good works there. they can get out of prison when their victims get out of the grave. i wish people would look at Angola here in La.; it's a working prison farm and supports several profitable (to the state) enterprises. Angola produces the food used in state hospitals and institutions, select trusties from the lifer pop train and care for K9 dogs, and are excellent at it. the Angola prison rodeo brings in people from several states. the athletic fields are staffed and maintained by trusties and rented out to baseball tourneys. sorry, didn't mean to make such a long post.
 
Manson follower Leslie Van Houten denied parole. No surprise.

I AM surprised no one has posted this yet.

California's parole board Tuesday refused to release onetime Manson family acolyte Leslie Van Houten, finding the 60-year-old remains dangerous more than four decades after the group's Southern California murder spree.

The board found that Van Houten "still poses a risk to society," spokesman Luis Patino said. The decision marks the 19th time that she has been denied parole, and she won't be eligible again until 2013, Patino said.

Known as "Lulu" while one of notorious spree killer Charles Manson's followers, Van Houten helped hold down Rosemary LaBianca while other Manson family members stabbed her and her husband, Leno LaBianca in 1969. She was 19 at the time.

She has been imprisoned at the California Institution for Women at Frontera for more than three decades, following her final conviction on first-degree murder charges in 1978 and a sentence of life in prison.

Prison spokesman Lt. Robert Patterson told CNN in 2009 that Van Houten is a model inmate involved in prison programs and a mentor to other inmates in the facility's college program. And lawyer Brandie Devall, who has been representing Van Houten for just under a year, said Tuesday before the hearing that the "fact that Leslie has had good reports since 1978" should help persuade the parole board to release her.

Van Houten, Manson, Pat Krenwinkel and Susan Atkins were found guilty of murder and conspiracy to commit murder and sentenced to death in 1971. Their sentences were commuted to life in prison after the U.S. Supreme Court struck down death penalty laws in 1972 and established a four-year moratorium on executions.

Van Houten's original conviction was overturned in 1976 on grounds that a judge erred in not granting a mistrial after her attorney, Ronald Hughes, disappeared and later was found dead. The jury deadlocked in her first retrial, and she was released on bond for a few months. But in her third trial, in 1978, she was convicted of first-degree murder.

Ahead of Tuesday's parole board hearing, Devall said she was "excited" about the appearance. She planned to bolster her argument with rulings in two cases from the California Supreme Court since Van Houten's last parole hearing, in 2007. Each case was recently upheld by federal courts.

Devall said during Tuesday's hearing, she planned to cite the case of Sandra Lawrence, a convicted murderer who was released in 2007 after more than 20 years in prison. The California Supreme Court decided that if an eligible parolee has spent enough time on rehabilitation and reform, the panel has the burden of proving that the inmate poses a current threat to public safety and should not base its decision on what happened decades earlier.

In addition, Devall planned to use the case of Richard Shaputis, who was sentenced to 15 years to life following his 1987 conviction for second-degree murder -- and remains behind bars. Devall says in that case, the court found that parole boards should give significant consideration to psychologists' reports regarding whether inmates have demonstrated acceptance of responsibility, insight and understanding of their crimes, as Van Houten has.

Van Houten told CNN's "Larry King Live" in 2002 that she herself stabbed Rosemary LaBianca 16 times.

"The autopsy reports have shown that it was Tex [Charles "Tex" Watson] that wielded the fatal wounds, but I contributed, and I attempted to hold her down for Pat," she said. "I called to Tex because we couldn't kill her. You know, it's -- morally, I feel as though I did."

And during a 1994 CNN appearance, Van Houten told King the Manson family's lifestyle attracted her.

"I met these people. They said that they came from a commune in L.A. where they lived for the day and for the moment, and it was a lot of the [Timothy] Leary kind of philosophy of 'Be here now.'"

Van Houten called Manson "an opportunist of the cruelest, most vicious kind," but she was quick to emphasize that she accepts blame for her role in the crimes.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/07/06/manson.family.parole/index.html?hpt=T1
 
Good, I don't give a damn she is 60. Her victims never got to see their next birthdays. Boofuckingwho
 
i can see denying the parole because she viciously stabbed someone to death a long time ago - the punishment was meant to be severe. but i don't see how they can justify denying it because "she remains a danger," in those words.
 
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She has to be better off than ^^
*giggle*
 
IMO she's done her time for the fucking crime.

Sorry
IMO she was sentenced to death and got out of that. California put a moratorium on the gas chamber. Fucking lucky if you ask me. She should be dead.
She will never serve her time in 100,000 years. She waived that right when she did what she did and got the death sentence. If she gets parole, then you might as well let them ALL go free.

Plus Susan Atkins had brain cancer, they didn't cut her any slack.
Lastly if a sentence of death ends up in a person going free, what good is a sentence? Its manipulatable(sp) as it is.
 
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