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What in the Booty Bandit Hell is this.
Twisted_Dreams
Active Member
I know I've said something along the lines of this before... but have ya ever considered a career writing greeting cards? I would love to see your line of birthday and anniversaries for people locked up in prison.
Or perhaps something a bit less ambitious... like a small book of shit related haiku.
Why? Why the need to slam in peoples' faces that you're gay? Who gives a fuck? I have NEVER met anyone that A) cares or B) is enthralled by what some musician does in his own bedroom. And if they do/are, they have bigger problems. Why the need to figuratively shove that down our throats? My gag reflex is hard enough to deal with when I find a dick that I want to suck, I don't have time to figuratively gag over some punk's sex life. And Dude, when you have to announce how "edgy" you are, you aren't... 
Whose blood is it? Kinda cool i think.
The music vid for sure is trash though...due primarily to how low budget it all looks. This looks like some late 90s caliber CG animation, just pathetic. Had they actually put some money and legit effort into it, it coulda been pretty badass, outside of the fruity guy in womens boots of course, thats pretty fucking creepy. As is, outside of the weird dick-head alien dude, it's just totally fucking lame and cringy.
Fucking weak too that he just effortlessly snaps the devils neck? What a joke. They couldnt do some badass, brutal, gory beheading or something cool like that? All we get is a neck snap?
This shit is anything but edgy. So lame.
Nobody is forcing you to watch the music video though. Anyone who is a fan of this guy already knows what they're getting and they're into it, otherwise they wouldnt be fans. What's wrong with some niche being filled? It's not like sensationalistic, controversial music videos or theatrics are new anyways. This shit has always been a thing.
Just like that Cardi B trash. My only objection there is that the song is so god awful. If people want to see some smutty music video, fine, what else would you expect from the hack. But i had to hear folks go on and on about how groundbreaking and legitimately good that junk Wet Pussy song was. Dumb fucks. Now THAT is offensive....offensively bad taste in music.
Long as people can accept the trash as trash and not try and build it up or promote it as something else than that, i dont see the big deal here.
The music vid for sure is trash though...due primarily to how low budget it all looks. This looks like some late 90s caliber CG animation, just pathetic. Had they actually put some money and legit effort into it, it coulda been pretty badass, outside of the fruity guy in womens boots of course, thats pretty fucking creepy. As is, outside of the weird dick-head alien dude, it's just totally fucking lame and cringy.
Fucking weak too that he just effortlessly snaps the devils neck? What a joke. They couldnt do some badass, brutal, gory beheading or something cool like that? All we get is a neck snap?
This shit is anything but edgy. So lame.
Why? Why the need to slam in peoples' faces that you're gay? Who gives a fuck? I have NEVER met anyone that A) cares or B) is enthralled by what some musician does in his own bedroom. And if they do/are, they have bigger problems. Why the need to figuratively shove that down our throats? My gag reflex is hard enough to deal with when I find a dick that I want to suck, I don't have time to figuratively gag over some punk's sex life. And Dude, when you have to announce how "edgy" you are, you aren't...
Nobody is forcing you to watch the music video though. Anyone who is a fan of this guy already knows what they're getting and they're into it, otherwise they wouldnt be fans. What's wrong with some niche being filled? It's not like sensationalistic, controversial music videos or theatrics are new anyways. This shit has always been a thing.
Just like that Cardi B trash. My only objection there is that the song is so god awful. If people want to see some smutty music video, fine, what else would you expect from the hack. But i had to hear folks go on and on about how groundbreaking and legitimately good that junk Wet Pussy song was. Dumb fucks. Now THAT is offensive....offensively bad taste in music.
Long as people can accept the trash as trash and not try and build it up or promote it as something else than that, i dont see the big deal here.
Why mainstream trash though? I don't give a fuck what anyone does behind closed doors. Why put on display? I mean anyone, not just Nas. I don't run around announcing that I'm straight. Be you. Quietly. Whatever that is. I have no issue with smut. I don't Insta every porno I might watch however. Why would anyone care?
Sudonim
Trusted Member
I dont really see the difference between half naked women grinding on everything and him grinding on a devil. If you do..you have double standards.
Music videos are supposed to have a shock and awe component to them and as far as that goes..this is pretty lame in comparison. This is far from being the first artist to use the devil. Its also far from being the first famous person to have blood associated with them.
What this comes down to is Nike trying to silence artistic rights. The shoes are not new. They are old shoes, 24 years old to be exact. Does Nike 2 decades later get a say in how people are using past products that have been legitimately sold? The last time Nike made these shoes was 2007 and even that was just a select batch made for Italy. It considered an art collection with only 666 pairs made. All but 1 of those pairs had been sold before Nike decided to sue. They are legitimately blocking the sale of 1 pair of shoes lol
Back in '77 KISS did this same thing and no one batted an eyelash over it. The band had blood drawn and it was mixed into the ink used to print their KISS marvel comic books.
I get why Nike did it, its does have their brand logo on it, but there are a ton of modified old Nike's(and other brands) that are sold every single day made by artists from all over. They are considered collectibles. In the end this lawsuit could end up with Nike losing brand support simply because people dont want to touch a brand that continues holds rights over old shoes you purchased. It could potentially kill their resale market on those old lines and make it so old Nikes are worthless.
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Also for people that arent aware. The company that made the shoes has also made a collection of jesus shoes where instead of blood in the sole, its got holy water and a matthew 14:25 quote about jesus walking on water to his disciples. You can't be upset about one and not about the other.
Music videos are supposed to have a shock and awe component to them and as far as that goes..this is pretty lame in comparison. This is far from being the first artist to use the devil. Its also far from being the first famous person to have blood associated with them.
What this comes down to is Nike trying to silence artistic rights. The shoes are not new. They are old shoes, 24 years old to be exact. Does Nike 2 decades later get a say in how people are using past products that have been legitimately sold? The last time Nike made these shoes was 2007 and even that was just a select batch made for Italy. It considered an art collection with only 666 pairs made. All but 1 of those pairs had been sold before Nike decided to sue. They are legitimately blocking the sale of 1 pair of shoes lol
Back in '77 KISS did this same thing and no one batted an eyelash over it. The band had blood drawn and it was mixed into the ink used to print their KISS marvel comic books.
I get why Nike did it, its does have their brand logo on it, but there are a ton of modified old Nike's(and other brands) that are sold every single day made by artists from all over. They are considered collectibles. In the end this lawsuit could end up with Nike losing brand support simply because people dont want to touch a brand that continues holds rights over old shoes you purchased. It could potentially kill their resale market on those old lines and make it so old Nikes are worthless.
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Also for people that arent aware. The company that made the shoes has also made a collection of jesus shoes where instead of blood in the sole, its got holy water and a matthew 14:25 quote about jesus walking on water to his disciples. You can't be upset about one and not about the other.
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But of course we can! We are fucking Americans god dammit.
That's the whole fucking point of Cancel culture! So some people can get their panties Ina twist about some trivial shit and make everyone else suffer for it.
Sudonim
Trusted Member
lol aint that the truth.
The jesus shoes were done in 2019 and called 'Blessed Shoes'. They sold out in less than 1 minute. They were praised all over for the shoes. Nike didnt have a problem being associated with 1 religion, guess its just the outlier religions they have issues with. The shoes sold for about $1,500. $400 more than the satan ones and within months of them being sold out the price had jumped to almost $5,000.
Satanica
Veteran Member
Nike wins court bid over 'Satan Shoes' with human blood
The art collective that sold the customised Nike sneakers has shipped all but one of the 666 pairs.
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Agreed! And I don't want to see any of it. Some things are just private.
Sevens My Charm
Ruler of Minions.. and Degenerates..
Hey Ozzy bit a bats head.. 
Montero Hill: The Fvlse Prvphet
(Sorry for the length, but I have given this a good amount of thought.)
I voluntarily watched it, without prompt from DD. And sure enough, the music video was terrible, the song was much more awful than it was decent, and the experience of watching it was degrading. The CGI did not appear to be convincing or visually seamless enough to conjure a genuinely fantastical or spiritual landscape, and the song and video could not have been made without a significant degree of bad faith on behalf of Montero Hill and his enablers.
I am wondering why so many characters in the music video have to be portrayed by Hill personally (Limited casting choices! COVID! Creativity or something!). A strong majority of the characters are simply Hill in a costume, or Hill slathered in CGI. The single cover for "Montero (Call Me By Your Name)" features two versions of himself posed homoerotically in a piece that vaguely recalls Michelangelo's work on The Sistine Chapel. He is the protagonist of the music video. He named the landscape after himself. He has, again, two versions of himself, the Adam-esque character and the serpent, kissing each other; he might as well be drooling auto-amorously on a mirror. He is judged and stoned by multiple variations of himself dressed in similarity to French aristocrats. He, placing himself as his own spiritual judge, chooses to descend into hell via a CGI stripper pole (tasteful and delicate!). And after dry-humping a Satan caricature, Hill personally kills Satan and appoints himself as ruler of Hell.
Both the song/music video and the Satan shoes are both spectacles in tandem and individual spectacles in their own right. But based on the previous analysis, the ultimate spectacle is...
Lil Nas X himself.
I believe that the only type of person who would make such artwork would be a grand-scale narcissist with an extreme sense of megalomania. The video, song, and shoes manage to cheapen every concept they address, making Heaven and Hell, social issues, the Bible, and even the gay experience way more about himself than it really is. He is literally trying to conjure himself a (inverse) messiah complex, but the pop music world already presently has such a person: one who disrupted an award show, used his art to defend Bill Cosby during his rape scandals (and defend other similarly toxic men and their work), and ran for president as a fringe candidate in 2020. Most or all of you know whom I'm referring to; I refuse to duplicate his name here. Point is, there is no need for yet another cheaply demagogic pop czar who lacks empathy, or even basic respect/decency, for people who are either of different philosophical/religious convictions, or are less privileged than he is to be open about themselves. I do not want to find myself in a situation where I support someone with such a stratospheric level of self-importance. (Maybe he, in person, is a nice, caring, and decent guy. But based on the values he is exhibiting in what are poorly disguised publicity stunts, he does not make a convincing argument in this regard.)
I can understand people being off-put by Christianity as being, say, too preachy, judgmental, narrow, self-righteous. And, while that is not the whole of Christianity, I know that people who adhere and actively devote themselves to Christianity; as well as certain sects, groups, cults, or denominations derived from Christianity; can fully embrace such negative connotations. And that such a strongly religious social environment, construct, or society heavily inspired by such; for those who are uncertain, and ultimately prove themselves to be either maladaptive, resistant, or unwilling toward the circumstances; can, psychologically speaking, naturally pull away and perhaps eventually manifest themselves as an extreme in the opposite direction. And some of these people with extreme values in opposition of what they have faced religiously, including Hill, fully embrace their villainy and anti-Christian sentiments by being... preachy, judgmental, narrow, and self-righteous. I am not saying this about everyone who resist or pull away from Christianity, or experience apostasy.
By releasing these elements into the world, he is stoking the flames. He is crapping on the beliefs of 2.2 billion world citizens in order to brag about how eccentric and interesting and liberated he is. Challenging notions strongly held by an overarching society is not just okay, it can be good. But Hill is going about it the wrong way, in my opinion. Why? Because he wanted to create a Satanic Panic. And he knew what he needed to do to initiate one. And the public gave him what he wanted. And he thinks he has checkmated Christians? Some backlash he is getting can be rooted in bad faith in its own right, yet much of it is valid for very clear and blatant reasons; someone who wants to make a point out of basking in wickedness will inevitably offend and perhaps undermine people who make a good, honest, and virtuous effort with themselves, their families, and their places and practices of worship. Hill is a deliberate offender who is simply on the opposite end of the same horseshoe as the Westboro Baptist Church.
Montero Hill has outed his true colors as somebody who wants to be empowered; but will actively oppress others and their beliefs in order to further his empowerment while stoking his base; and is ultimately indifferent, uninterested, and too invested in himself to genuinely and seriously contribute to the empowerment of others, except maybe for a few family, friends, and collaborators here and there who are of personal benefit to him. (Although, if the music video does inspire some of its viewers to empower themselves, then okay. I guess that is what fits them. I wouldn't fully understand why they would, but I will not judge that which I don't know.)
---
Now that I'm done ranting, I will say that Paradise Lost by John Milton is one the most stubborn, impenetrable, irascible, prosaically thick headaches of literature I have ever read, and I have a hard time motivating myself to advance further; it is one of my favorite books ever, and has given strong, direct inspiration to my writing skills and pursuits, especially with lyrics, and specifically the screenplay I am presently writing. I have been trying to read it for years, having thus far made it through book six of 12. Milton was a highly intelligent man who understood multiple mythologies, and the Bible, at a deeper level than most of us ever will, and it shows through his repeated references and wordplays. It is one of the most important books anyone can read.
And, instead of yakking about how much I hate half-smart cotton candy cow-rapping demagogues and simply leaving it at that, how about I give you a much more trve music recommendation?
(Sorry for the length, but I have given this a good amount of thought.)
I voluntarily watched it, without prompt from DD. And sure enough, the music video was terrible, the song was much more awful than it was decent, and the experience of watching it was degrading. The CGI did not appear to be convincing or visually seamless enough to conjure a genuinely fantastical or spiritual landscape, and the song and video could not have been made without a significant degree of bad faith on behalf of Montero Hill and his enablers.
I am wondering why so many characters in the music video have to be portrayed by Hill personally (Limited casting choices! COVID! Creativity or something!). A strong majority of the characters are simply Hill in a costume, or Hill slathered in CGI. The single cover for "Montero (Call Me By Your Name)" features two versions of himself posed homoerotically in a piece that vaguely recalls Michelangelo's work on The Sistine Chapel. He is the protagonist of the music video. He named the landscape after himself. He has, again, two versions of himself, the Adam-esque character and the serpent, kissing each other; he might as well be drooling auto-amorously on a mirror. He is judged and stoned by multiple variations of himself dressed in similarity to French aristocrats. He, placing himself as his own spiritual judge, chooses to descend into hell via a CGI stripper pole (tasteful and delicate!). And after dry-humping a Satan caricature, Hill personally kills Satan and appoints himself as ruler of Hell.
Both the song/music video and the Satan shoes are both spectacles in tandem and individual spectacles in their own right. But based on the previous analysis, the ultimate spectacle is...
Lil Nas X himself.
I believe that the only type of person who would make such artwork would be a grand-scale narcissist with an extreme sense of megalomania. The video, song, and shoes manage to cheapen every concept they address, making Heaven and Hell, social issues, the Bible, and even the gay experience way more about himself than it really is. He is literally trying to conjure himself a (inverse) messiah complex, but the pop music world already presently has such a person: one who disrupted an award show, used his art to defend Bill Cosby during his rape scandals (and defend other similarly toxic men and their work), and ran for president as a fringe candidate in 2020. Most or all of you know whom I'm referring to; I refuse to duplicate his name here. Point is, there is no need for yet another cheaply demagogic pop czar who lacks empathy, or even basic respect/decency, for people who are either of different philosophical/religious convictions, or are less privileged than he is to be open about themselves. I do not want to find myself in a situation where I support someone with such a stratospheric level of self-importance. (Maybe he, in person, is a nice, caring, and decent guy. But based on the values he is exhibiting in what are poorly disguised publicity stunts, he does not make a convincing argument in this regard.)
I can understand people being off-put by Christianity as being, say, too preachy, judgmental, narrow, self-righteous. And, while that is not the whole of Christianity, I know that people who adhere and actively devote themselves to Christianity; as well as certain sects, groups, cults, or denominations derived from Christianity; can fully embrace such negative connotations. And that such a strongly religious social environment, construct, or society heavily inspired by such; for those who are uncertain, and ultimately prove themselves to be either maladaptive, resistant, or unwilling toward the circumstances; can, psychologically speaking, naturally pull away and perhaps eventually manifest themselves as an extreme in the opposite direction. And some of these people with extreme values in opposition of what they have faced religiously, including Hill, fully embrace their villainy and anti-Christian sentiments by being... preachy, judgmental, narrow, and self-righteous. I am not saying this about everyone who resist or pull away from Christianity, or experience apostasy.
By releasing these elements into the world, he is stoking the flames. He is crapping on the beliefs of 2.2 billion world citizens in order to brag about how eccentric and interesting and liberated he is. Challenging notions strongly held by an overarching society is not just okay, it can be good. But Hill is going about it the wrong way, in my opinion. Why? Because he wanted to create a Satanic Panic. And he knew what he needed to do to initiate one. And the public gave him what he wanted. And he thinks he has checkmated Christians? Some backlash he is getting can be rooted in bad faith in its own right, yet much of it is valid for very clear and blatant reasons; someone who wants to make a point out of basking in wickedness will inevitably offend and perhaps undermine people who make a good, honest, and virtuous effort with themselves, their families, and their places and practices of worship. Hill is a deliberate offender who is simply on the opposite end of the same horseshoe as the Westboro Baptist Church.
Montero Hill has outed his true colors as somebody who wants to be empowered; but will actively oppress others and their beliefs in order to further his empowerment while stoking his base; and is ultimately indifferent, uninterested, and too invested in himself to genuinely and seriously contribute to the empowerment of others, except maybe for a few family, friends, and collaborators here and there who are of personal benefit to him. (Although, if the music video does inspire some of its viewers to empower themselves, then okay. I guess that is what fits them. I wouldn't fully understand why they would, but I will not judge that which I don't know.)
---
Now that I'm done ranting, I will say that Paradise Lost by John Milton is one the most stubborn, impenetrable, irascible, prosaically thick headaches of literature I have ever read, and I have a hard time motivating myself to advance further; it is one of my favorite books ever, and has given strong, direct inspiration to my writing skills and pursuits, especially with lyrics, and specifically the screenplay I am presently writing. I have been trying to read it for years, having thus far made it through book six of 12. Milton was a highly intelligent man who understood multiple mythologies, and the Bible, at a deeper level than most of us ever will, and it shows through his repeated references and wordplays. It is one of the most important books anyone can read.
And, instead of yakking about how much I hate half-smart cotton candy cow-rapping demagogues and simply leaving it at that, how about I give you a much more trve music recommendation?
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Satanica
Veteran Member
That was awesome @Symmachus! I'm much too lazy to have written something like that myself, so thanks!
Bravo @Symmachus! What you said!!! Although, through the years I've been kinda paying attention to the rantings and ravings of that musician that shall remain unnamed, I think he's mentally ill. This one strikes me as a sane narcissist. I might be completely off, but the first one of these two reminds me of my MI older brother. The other reminds me of all of the things one tries NOT to be in life. jmo.
Trash has always been mainstream. Look at the top musical acts of nearly any given year, look at pop music, look at pop culture in general, look at the biggest box office movies(outside of Marvel films, cuz those are quite enjoyable)....its usually total trash. People overwhelmingly have a tendency towards bad taste.
Holy shit you might be reading wayyyy too much into it. Perhaps this dude is just an attention whore OR....is merely trying to have a little fun.
Idiotic statement and objectively pisspoor comparison.
Sudonim
Trusted Member
Pretty sure you missed the whole context to the fight lol These were modified old Nikes. Modified by another group, not Nike. Nike didnt allow anything and when people complained about them 'allowing' the shoes to be sold..they went for a court injunction to stop the sale. Theres only 1 pair left because that pair had been held back for a giveaway.
If you're really intrested in some heavens gate nikes you can buy them for around $7k a pair. If you want a pair of koolaid free decades they go for like $400.
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