-It could never, EVER happen to you?? What happened to Corbin Scott Engler could happen to anyone.

[Blunderbuss Firozabad]

Clockwise from upper left:
Corbin Scott Engler
Surveillance video from the gas station
Superior Court Chief Judge Gregory Poole
Prosecuting Attorney Flynn Broady, elected in 2020, combat veteran, tough on crime platform.


Apologies for this being so lengthy, but I wanted to give the entire picture in order to pre-empt the inevitable declarations of a "liberal agenda", that someone was black and got special treatment, or the almighty claw of the transgenders or immigrants were in it. It's none of that. Justice is not perfect. We try to get as close as possible, but since it involves humans, it never will be 100%, and That's. Just. The. Way. It. Is..



"The whole event took less than 45 seconds, but it has changed the life of Corbin Scott Engler."


"Corbin Scott Engler, his wife Emiley, his mother-in-law and two of his children had gone out to dinner on the night of Jan. 2, 2021. On the way home, the family stopped at a Valero gas station on Main Street in Acworth [Georgia].

One child rode with Engler’s mother-in-law, while his 3-year-old boy, rode with Engler and his wife. At the gas station, Engler’s wife went inside while Engler and his son stayed in the car, [Judge Gregory] Poole wrote. Engler’s mother-in-law and other child were in the car parked next to his.

The son, upset he could not go inside with his mother, unbuckled himself and exited the car, before his mother told him to get back in the car, Poole wrote. The son got back in the car, and Engler buckled the child back into his car seat.

When Emiley exited the gas station and got back in the car, two men — Quentin DeVille and Thomas Russell — approached the driver’s side door. DeVille and Russell confronted Engler. Russell later told police he told Engler to leave before they called 911 on him.

As an alarmed Engler backed out of the parking spot, the men continued to approach the passenger side of the vehicle, while Katie Lambert of White, Georgia, DeVille’s girlfriend, blocked the vehicle, Poole wrote. Lambert got onto the hood as DeVille used a pocket knife to shatter Engler’s windshield.

Engler accelerated and drove off, causing Lambert to fall and injure her head. She died from her injuries in February of this year."

Here's how it was reported at the time:

" Police were called to the area after someone reported a person being hit by a car, according to police a driver hit Katie Lambert, 27, and fled the scene.
Corbin Scott Engler was arrested for aggravated assault and hit and run, he is charged with cruelty to children, reckless driving and aggravated battery."


" Engler had bonded out after his initial arrest. When Katie Lambert died, he was charged with murder and had to turn himself back in."


The effects on Engler and his family:

" While in jail for the second time, Engler's family lost their apartment due to him being unable to work for more than a month. Engler said he was grateful to his employer, who held his position for him.

Engler, 28, lives in Paulding County and works for a company that bores tunnels for sewers and utilities."


Finally, two years later, after viewing the video, reading all the statements:

" Superior Court Chief Judge Gregory Poole granted Corbin Scott Engler immunity from criminal prosecution in the death of Katie Lambert in April. Last week, the charges were dismissed after prosecutors elected not to appeal the ruling."

" Despite the state theorizing that Engler and his wife were arguing, Poole found that was not the case. The judge also found that prosecutors “through no direct evidence at all, insinuated … that the defendant and/or his wife were intoxicated to some extent.”

As to claims from DeVille and prosecutors that Engler struck his child, Poole noted that police examined the child and found no evidence that he had been injured. The evidence, the judge wrote, corroborates Engler’s claim that he was simply buckling his child back into the car seat.

“There is no evidence before the Court that Defendant used force in an unlawful or unauthorized manner,” Poole wrote. “The Court finds by a preponderance of the evidence that Defendant had a reasonable belief that there was an imminent threat of violence against himself and his family and that his car was his only means of escaping that violence.”"

Cobb judge dismisses Acworth murder charges - NewsBreak

A man who was accused of murdering a woman at an Acworth gas station in 2021 acted in self defense, a Cobb County judge ruled. Superior Cou

www.newsbreak.com

27-Year-Old Katie Lambert Injured In Acworth, GA Accident

Tragic accident that occurred on Saturday, January 2 in Acworth, Georgia. 27-year-old Katie Lambert, was seriously injur..

www.breakingnewsdesk.com

The video from the gas station is here:

Judge dismisses charges against man indicted for murder in Acworth hit-and-run

A Cobb County Superior Court judge has dropped charges against a man indicted for murder more than two years after the incident at a local gas station.

www.fox5atlanta.com

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Reminding everyone about this thread about jail conditions in the same state:

https://www.dreamindemon.com/community/threads/if-this-photo-of-lashawn-thompsons-cell-doesnt-deter-you-from-committing-crime-then-nothing-will.139265/#post-1558711

 

[Symmachus]

Sad that that happened to Engler and his family.

It's also sad that Lambert injured her head and died, but it was during the apparent commission of a violent crime.

He seemed like he was defending himself and his family, and sometimes that means driving very quickly the hell out of there. Too bad about his legal troubles afterward, but I am glad the truth has shined through at least in this specific instance.

 

[Sejanus]

Dead criminal twat you say?
I am fine with that.

 

[Blunderbuss Firozabad]

It's also sad that Lambert injured her head and died,

"“It was a horrible tragic situation … Somebody lost their life out of this situation, it’s very hard to deal with,” Engler said."

Engler's a decent guy, he really is.

, but it was during the apparent commission of a violent crime

Wellllllll, the child got out and tried to follow him mom into the store, she instructed him to turn around and March himself back to the car, and he did, but he was upset he couldn't go with mom and when dad turned around in his seat to latch the safety belt, the little boy REALLY started crying.
Lambert, DeVille and Thompson truly thought they were witnessing the child being physically hurt and stepped forward to do something.
They weren't robbing anyone, their hearts were in the right place.

Heavy-handed? Yes.
Is it my hope that most of us would do something if they saw child abuse ? If members comment in the child abuse threads at all, they'd be pretty cowardly people if they didn't put actions behind their words when they have an opportunity to do so, otherwise they are complicit with the abusers.

Of course taking the license number and making a report would have been better.

Their outrage at what they thought they had witnessed, child abuse, clouded their good sense, and they felt compelled to step forward and say it's NOT OK to abuse a child.

But Engler hadn't.

I found their accounts at LinkedIn, and they are employed people without records, at least that I could find.

It was simply a misunderstanding that had a horrible outcome for everyone.



When I had just moved to this apartment in Tucson there was a neighbor downstairs, Donovan, who had a son who was about 2 and a half, maybe. Not sure.
Mom was dead, Donovan was a drug-addict. Kid was well nourished, there was no indication he was physically abused in any way, strangers weren't coming to his apartment daily, I know he loved him.

One really, REALLY hot day, one of those 105° mad dog and Englishmen scorchers,
I had to go to the office and I saw and heard the kid in the window screaming, crying, red-faced at the window and the blinds were wide open to the afternoon sun.

I circled back and knocked at the door dlfor Donovan. No answer. Knocked louder, nothing. I went back up to the window and saw that the kids bedroom was blocked, deliberately, by big objects inside and out the cracked bedroom door.

I tried to open the window, but it was locked. I asked the kid to undue the lock because I'm stupid and think kids can figure out those things.
He was looking really bad by then. Because I was so close I saw there were no tears, no sweat.

So, much like that trio at the gas station, acting without much thought I got to the end of the window he wasn't pressed against and broke the glass with my hand.
I grabbed him, bled all over him, got an ambulance there for him, he was whisked off, they bandaged my wrist that bled for days after, got infected. (the picture above is one of the scars)

The kind police officer, well, I was kind of in shock, not saying much, and he reassured me I'd done the right thing. That meant a lot. That was the only positive thing anyone has ever said about that whole thing.
I thought I would get in trouble, that I would have to replace the window, or worse, I had wasted valuable time trying to get dad to the door.

And I worried I had overreacted.

Turned out dad wasn't home.
The child never came back to that apartment, and I believe the grandparents on mom's side took him.

Until that idiot, Donovan, moved (many, many months later) he never missed an opportunity to bad-mouth me or make my life uncomfortable. My plants were vandalized, garbage was thrown on my balcony, most of my new neighbors weren't nice AT ALL to me. It was not pleasant.
I don't tell anyone around here any of that happened, not one part of it. I've put it out of my mind.

My point is, sometimes there are consequences for doing what you think is the right thing.

I feel for everyone in this scenario in Georgia.

When I'm scorned by members here for saying I care about others being persecuted and harmed, when I say something is very wrong with hateful expressions, and I'm called cruel names?
I think of that little boy, and I understand the world is indifferent and angry and often, so very, very wrong.

Would I do it again? Of course.
And I'd like to believe all of you would do the same thing.

 

[Josh P]

"“It was a horrible tragic situation … Somebody lost their life out of this situation, it’s very hard to deal with,” Engler said."

Engler's a decent guy, he really is.



Wellllllll, the child got out and tried to follow him mom into the store, she instructed him to turn around and March himself back to the car, and he did, but he was upset he couldn't go with mom and when dad turned around in his seat to latch the safety belt, the little boy REALLY started crying.
Lambert, DeVille and Thompson truly thought they were witnessing the child being physically hurt and stepped forward to do something.
They weren't robbing anyone, their hearts were in the right place.

Heavy-handed? Yes.
Is it my hope that most of us would do something if they saw child abuse ? If members comment in the child abuse threads at all, they'd be pretty cowardly people if they didn't put actions behind their words when they have an opportunity to do so, otherwise they are complicit with the abusers.

Of course taking the license number and making a report would have been better.

Their outrage at what they thought they had witnessed, child abuse, clouded their good sense, and they felt compelled to step forward and say it's NOT OK to abuse a child.

But Engler hadn't.

I found their accounts at LinkedIn, and they are employed people without records, at least that I could find.

It was simply a misunderstanding that had a horrible outcome for everyone.

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When I had just moved to this apartment in Tucson there was a neighbor downstairs, Donovan, who had a son who was about 2 and a half, maybe. Not sure.
Mom was dead, Donovan was a drug-addict. Kid was well nourished, there was no indication he was physically abused in any way, strangers weren't coming to his apartment daily, I know he loved him.

One really, REALLY hot day, one of those 105° mad dog and Englishmen scorchers,
I had to go to the office and I saw and heard the kid in the window screaming, crying, red-faced at the window and the blinds were wide open to the afternoon sun.

I circled back and knocked at the door dlfor Donovan. No answer. Knocked louder, nothing. I went back up to the window and saw that the kids bedroom was blocked, deliberately, by big objects inside and out the cracked bedroom door.

I tried to open the window, but it was locked. I asked the kid to undue the lock because I'm stupid and think kids can figure out those things.
He was looking really bad by then. Because I was so close I saw there were no tears, no sweat.

So, much like that trio at the gas station, acting without much thought I got to the end of the window he wasn't pressed against and broke the glass with my hand.
I grabbed him, bled all over him, got an ambulance there for him, he was whisked off, they bandaged my wrist that bled for days after, got infected. (the picture above is one of the scars)

The kind police officer, well, I was kind of in shock, not saying much, and he reassured me I'd done the right thing. That meant a lot. That was the only positive thing anyone has ever said about that whole thing.
I thought I would get in trouble, that I would have to replace the window, or worse, I had wasted valuable time trying to get dad to the door.

And I worried I had overreacted.

Turned out dad wasn't home.
The child never came back to that apartment, and I believe the grandparents on mom's side took him.

Until that idiot, Donovan, moved (many, many months later) he never missed an opportunity to bad-mouth me or make my life uncomfortable. My plants were vandalized, garbage was thrown on my balcony, most of my new neighbors weren't nice AT ALL to me. It was not pleasant.
I don't tell anyone around here any of that happened, not one part of it. I've put it out of my mind.

My point is, sometimes there are consequences for doing what you think is the right thing.

I feel for everyone in this scenario in Georgia.

When I'm scorned by members here for saying I care about others being persecuted and harmed, when I say something is very wrong with hateful expressions, and I'm called cruel names?
I think of that little boy, and I understand the world is indifferent and angry and often, so very, very wrong.

Would I do it again? Of course.
And I'd like to believe all of you would do the same thing.

No good deed goes unpunished

 

[Symmachus]

"“It was a horrible tragic situation … Somebody lost their life out of this situation, it’s very hard to deal with,” Engler said."

Engler's a decent guy, he really is.



Wellllllll, the child got out and tried to follow him mom into the store, she instructed him to turn around and March himself back to the car, and he did, but he was upset he couldn't go with mom and when dad turned around in his seat to latch the safety belt, the little boy REALLY started crying.
Lambert, DeVille and Thompson truly thought they were witnessing the child being physically hurt and stepped forward to do something.
They weren't robbing anyone, their hearts were in the right place.

Heavy-handed? Yes.
Is it my hope that most of us would do something if they saw child abuse ? If members comment in the child abuse threads at all, they'd be pretty cowardly people if they didn't put actions behind their words when they have an opportunity to do so, otherwise they are complicit with the abusers.

Of course taking the license number and making a report would have been better.

Their outrage at what they thought they had witnessed, child abuse, clouded their good sense, and they felt compelled to step forward and say it's NOT OK to abuse a child.

But Engler hadn't.

I found their accounts at LinkedIn, and they are employed people without records, at least that I could find.

It was simply a misunderstanding that had a horrible outcome for everyone.

View attachment 95559

When I had just moved to this apartment in Tucson there was a neighbor downstairs, Donovan, who had a son who was about 2 and a half, maybe. Not sure.
Mom was dead, Donovan was a drug-addict. Kid was well nourished, there was no indication he was physically abused in any way, strangers weren't coming to his apartment daily, I know he loved him.

One really, REALLY hot day, one of those 105° mad dog and Englishmen scorchers,
I had to go to the office and I saw and heard the kid in the window screaming, crying, red-faced at the window and the blinds were wide open to the afternoon sun.

I circled back and knocked at the door dlfor Donovan. No answer. Knocked louder, nothing. I went back up to the window and saw that the kids bedroom was blocked, deliberately, by big objects inside and out the cracked bedroom door.

I tried to open the window, but it was locked. I asked the kid to undue the lock because I'm stupid and think kids can figure out those things.
He was looking really bad by then. Because I was so close I saw there were no tears, no sweat.

So, much like that trio at the gas station, acting without much thought I got to the end of the window he wasn't pressed against and broke the glass with my hand.
I grabbed him, bled all over him, got an ambulance there for him, he was whisked off, they bandaged my wrist that bled for days after, got infected. (the picture above is one of the scars)

The kind police officer, well, I was kind of in shock, not saying much, and he reassured me I'd done the right thing. That meant a lot. That was the only positive thing anyone has ever said about that whole thing.
I thought I would get in trouble, that I would have to replace the window, or worse, I had wasted valuable time trying to get dad to the door.

And I worried I had overreacted.

Turned out dad wasn't home.
The child never came back to that apartment, and I believe the grandparents on mom's side took him.

Until that idiot, Donovan, moved (many, many months later) he never missed an opportunity to bad-mouth me or make my life uncomfortable. My plants were vandalized, garbage was thrown on my balcony, most of my new neighbors weren't nice AT ALL to me. It was not pleasant.
I don't tell anyone around here any of that happened, not one part of it. I've put it out of my mind.

My point is, sometimes there are consequences for doing what you think is the right thing.

I feel for everyone in this scenario in Georgia.

When I'm scorned by members here for saying I care about others being persecuted and harmed, when I say something is very wrong with hateful expressions, and I'm called cruel names?
I think of that little boy, and I understand the world is indifferent and angry and often, so very, very wrong.

Would I do it again? Of course.
And I'd like to believe all of you would do the same thing.

Good to know; thanks for the personal story. I did not comprehend when I first read the initial post that Lambert and Co. were motivated by wanting to protect the child; but now that such has been clarified, the situation makes more sense. (Why would they have pounced on that car randomly? I guess now I know.)

 

[HEREIBE22]

This story she serve as a warning to all Karens out there!

 

[Blunderbuss Firozabad]

Good to know; thanks for the personal story. I did not comprehend when I first read the initial post that Lambert and Co. were motivated by wanting to protect the child; but now that such has been clarified, the situation makes more sense. (Why would they have pounced on that car randomly? I guess now I know.)

Those three were very aggressive, and I doubt the Engler could even sort out what was happening, what they were upset about, with strangers yelling and approaching at a poorly lit place, windshields broken, people on his car.
He had to be mindful of his family being safe. Just so much.

Before I broke that window, (in my experience) it absolutely passed thru my mind:

"I'm breaking a window, reaching in and snatching a child. This could look really bad. Especially if Donovan pops out of the shower and says
"WTF are you doing!?? You're busting my window and stealing my son? That broken glass could have cut him... I'm calling the police you kidnapping freak!!" "

Most of us do a quick" cost" analysis of things before we act.
But often with good deeds, we badly mis-estimate possible costs.

The solution is not to stop helping others, it's to get better and faster at evaluating the situation.

This just popped into my thoughts @Symmachus and I'm sure you've seen this as you spend time in the wild outdoors-Killdeer.. The birds that feign injury to draw you away from their ground nest. They don't need rescue, they just want to distract you from their babies.
Pretty sure it's to entice predators, not do-gooders, but it works.
The three in the news story stepped on the nest trying to save the "injured" bird. They acted in haste and perceived urgency.