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Blunderbuss Firozabad

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Israel was up all night.


"Iran’s unprecedented strikes on Israel this weekend have shaken Israel’s assumptions about its foe, undermining its long-held calculation that Iran would be best deterred by greater Israeli aggression.

For years, Israeli officials have argued, both in public and in private, that the harder Iran is hit, the warier it will be about fighting back. Iran’s barrage of more than 300 drones and missiles on Saturday — the first direct attack by Iran on Israel — has overturned that logic.

The attack was a response to Israel’s strike earlier this month in Syria that killed seven Iranian military officials there.*
Analysts said it showed that leaders in Tehran are no longer content with battling Israel through their various proxies, like Hezbollah in Lebanon or the Houthis in Yemen, but instead are prepared to take on Israel directly."

"State television said the Emad long-range ballistic missile and the Paveh cruise missile were used to attack Israel."

"Iran would also have plausible arguments at the United Nations Security Council since attacks on diplomatic missions signal a violation of the Vienna Convention, and since Article 51 of the UN Charter enshrines the “inherent right” of self-defence, something Israel has been heavily leaning on since the start of the Gaza war."

*"The attack was in response to the April 1 Israeli strike on the Iranian consulate in Damascus that killed seven IRGC members, including two generals in charge of leading operations in Syria and Lebanon, along with six other people."





 
Progressive liberals making silly political remarks as Obama and Biden give Iran the financing to terrorize the world and start world war 3
You need lots of money to train terrorist and buy weapons, follow the money, not stupid TDS obsessed progressive remarks
 
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But, but Jared K brokered peace to the region... :woot: :woot:
Brokered! That implies an agreement or compromise between two countries!

My bad, Israel and the United States agreed, Palestinians weren't invited, but that counts, right?

The money promised to Israel? $50,000,000,000.00

(Joe Biden got that bill.
It's his fault we send so much money to other countries and don't take care of our own. :penguin:)


(As for the claims there was peace in the Middle East during the Trump presidency I see all over the internet, everyone's forgotten the Syrian Civil War and the U.S. -Syria conflict during that time? Why else would President Trump announce the sending and then the withdrawal of U.S. troops to Syria?)

No one can broker peace in the Middle East.
World peace notions are for people who wear bags of crystals around their necks and don't comb their hair.

Conflict containment is all we can hope for.

Maybe that's what that $50B was for? Lol, of course it was, duh.
 
I feel like a complete moron I really truly don’t understand what is going on over there.Who’s “good” who’s “bad” why they are at each other. Who hamas is.why they’re so violent raping and attacking. I watch a story about it and then read the comments. The comments are confusing. Same with articles I read.I try to understand it’s just not sinking in. I feel like I should understand so I keep trying to.:/
 
I feel like a complete moron I really truly don’t understand what is going on over there.Who’s “good” who’s “bad” why they are at each other. Who hamas is.why they’re so violent raping and attacking. I watch a story about it and then read the comments. The comments are confusing. Same with articles I read.I try to understand it’s just not sinking in. I feel like I should understand so I keep trying to.:/
Let me attempt at boiling it down how I understand it.

There are no good & bad guys; there are rulers/people in power, and there are civilians/people just trying to exist.

There's also extremists (what many call "terrorists".)

These are complex, interlinked groups of radicalized individuals linked to violence and mass destruction as a means of spreading their message/ideology.

Surely, not every extremist's mind can be understood. However, many see their actions as a necessary means to an end: a rectifying of social ills - perceived or real.

The reality is, ordinary people are suffering. Palestine is basically an enclave; nothing can get in or out without Israel's oversight. They've taken complete militaristic control of the region, and are slowly continuing to take over people's homes in the West Bank (at the east end of Israel. confusing, I know) and other areas primarily made up of Palestinian/Arab neighborhoods.

Plagued by centuries of war, complex inter-ethnic conflicts and global migration/ environmental challenges and chronic poverty + corruption, AND being the location of many important, highly-valued religous sites and relics, the whole region carries the torch of centuries of bloody religious and ethnic conflict.

Yes, there was a time when Holocaust denial was the norm. It took a while for the world to grasp the depth of depravity and scale of horror the holocaust truly represented.

But today, those in power (I.e. the gov' and its military) in Israel are very detached from that legacy. They blatantly violate international law and basic human rights. They kill indiscriminately; medics, journalists and children are just collateral. They block humanitarian aid.

They do all this to put as much pressure on Palestine as possible, because they want to dominate the region. Palestinians and anyone opposed to their agenda is seen as an obstacle to that, and nothing more.

Then there's the people of Israel, surrounded by misinformation (some by the government, others from radicalized individuals) deepening the divide between Jews and Arabs and whatever scapegoat is most convenient at the moment.

Thing is, Israel *needs* Hamas to exist to justify their aggressive militaristic assault and domination, for it serves their ultimate ambitions....total authoritarian control of the region.

and being buddy-buddy with the US is a means to this end.


Back to the terrorists. It's inarguable that the violence Hamas subjected its victims to is abhorrent - unaccepted in any civilized nation, and surely destined to be a subject of future international war crime tribunals.

But Israel is using the collective emotional response to the group's actions to *justify* the abuse of millions of innocent people who are literally struggling to survive, are having their homes raided, their infrastructure destroyed, their hospitals bombed, and the little incoming flow of humanitarian supplies hindered and blockaded.

There are no good guy and bad guys. Just victims and enablers/perpetrators of violence.
 
I feel like a complete moron I really truly don’t understand what is going on over there.Who’s “good” who’s “bad” why they are at each other. Who hamas is.why they’re so violent raping and attacking. I watch a story about it and then read the comments. The comments are confusing. Same with articles I read.I try to understand it’s just not sinking in. I feel like I should understand so I keep trying to.:/

Good for you to listen and read to gain more understanding!
You're not alone, most of the world has a limited or piecemeal knowledge of things.

Here's a basic, as neutral as possible, overview.

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Get to know the basics before you hear opinions.

Are you a fan of King of the Hill?
I want to highlight one aspect of the Middle East conflict, the gross oversimplification that this is over religion.

Remember Hank's neighbor, "Kahn" Souphanousinphone?
Imagine a storyline where Kahn said that city documents showed his property line extended to the middle of Hank's driveway and the conflict that would erupt between those two.

Are they fighting because Hank is Christian and Kahn is Buddhist?
**************

The thing with this region is that there's a LOT of details, history, conflicts to the whole thing, it's not simple.

Some people are passionate that the Jewish people should have a place where they can protect themselves after centuries of persecution. Some feel it's at the expense of the Palestinian people.

Hamas is a political-terrorist organization. They are not synonymous with the Palestinian people, just as Benjamin Netanyahu's coalition government is not reflective of all Israelis.

And underneath it all can be anti-zionism, anti-semitism, Islamophobia, anti-Arabism, anti-socialism, so beware of that insidiousness.

Very few people in the world are "experts" on this region.

Also, it's not a desert. That's said dismissively as though these primitive people just don't know any better than to throw rocks at each other over something useless.

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Gaza, Tel Aviv, farms around the Sea of Galilee.
It's not a piece of desert

Or I could show you desert. Or Israel bulldozing homes of Palestinians, or Israeli victims of terrorism.

What I can tell you is that no media depiction, no one perspective, can inform you.


Don't feel behind, 95% of Americans know very little about that region. And they don't try to know any more.
So I'm very impressed you want to learn more. Ask questions.
There are people here who are knowledgeable.
@Perfectly Paranormal @Victoria @McDanel @thuumpr @knockout have thoughtful perspectives that cover the spectrum.(I know I'm forgetting some..)
@notausername is as accurate as I've seen here, though I disagree moderately with a few nuances.

Hear all sides once you have the basics.
 

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Focus! Iran attacked Israel.
300 drones and missiles... proportional?

This has little to due with Hamas-Palestinian-Israeli relations. It has everything to do with a country that wants Israel gone and was waiting for an opportunity to show it's 'strength' while kicking a butt or two.

They've been 'tweaking' things and got caught in the fallout.

They'll continue until Israel pays them a visit - personally.
 
Just my opinion, but I think Iran made a big mistake. Israel doesn’t mess around. They kick ass and take names.

I agree. Experience in warfare is an advantage
Israel has the stronger military, Iran has a larger military, but worse that that :

● "Iran's enriched uranium stockpile has now exceeded 5.5 tons, representing an increase of one ton since October. Within the stockpile are 712.2 kilograms of uranium enriched up to 20 percent and 121.5 kilograms enriched up to 60 percent."

●"Iran's missile arsenal is the largest and most diverse in the Middle East,
over 3,000” ballistic missiles. This does not include the country’s burgeoning land-attack cruise missile force."

●"Iranian missiles are inherently capable of carrying nuclear payloads, which has long been an international concern."

●They've been working on precision all these years.

This is the Simorgh, it has a 3,700 mile range

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These are the Paveh which they launched into Israel, range of 1,200 miles.

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It doesn’t please me to say this but I don't think that Israel is going to be in existence 12-15 years from now. That's bad for the world.

What the United States intends to do now is unclear. Believe what you want, but there's nothing any president can do there, meaningful, keeping troops here is smarter, in the long run.
Just my opinion.







Israel Faced a Sophisticated Attack From Iran https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/14/...d_article_code=1.kk0.-YVk.uCMy_j6X7qWX&ugrp=u
 
I feel like a complete moron I really truly don’t understand what is going on over there.Who’s “good” who’s “bad” why they are at each other. Who hamas is.why they’re so violent raping and attacking. I watch a story about it and then read the comments. The comments are confusing. Same with articles I read.I try to understand it’s just not sinking in. I feel like I should understand so I keep trying to.:/
Like @Blunderbuss Firozabad said; it is admirable that you seek knowledge. So many sit turning their heads from the whole situation..
I understand that it seems complicated and confusing, but as a first step I would advise that you don't use social media or newspapers to educate yourself. Find neutral historical sources. Everywhere else has some kind of agenda fueling their views.
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@notausername and @Blunderbuss Firozabad seems to have given a good and simple overview.

As far as personal opinions go, mine won't be popular in here.
 
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Like @Blunderbuss Firozabad said; it is admirable that you seek knowledge. So many sit turning their heads from the whole situation..
I understand that it seems complicated and confusing, but as a first step I would advise that you don't use social media or newspapers to educate yourself. Find neutral historical sources. Everywhere else has some kind of agenda fueling their views.
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@notausername and @Blunderbuss Firozabad seems to have given a good and simple overview.

As far as personal opinions go, mine won't be popular in here.
Everyone has one and someone always has an issue with most opinions, who cares :spy: :angelic:
 
Good for you to listen and read to gain more understanding!
You're not alone, most of the world has a limited or piecemeal knowledge of things.

Here's a basic, as neutral as possible, overview.

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Get to know the basics before you hear opinions.

Are you a fan of King of the Hill?
I want to highlight one aspect of the Middle East conflict, the gross oversimplification that this is over religion.

Remember Hank's neighbor, "Kahn" Souphanousinphone?
Imagine a storyline where Kahn said that city documents showed his property line extended to the middle of Hank's driveway and the conflict that would erupt between those two.

Are they fighting because Hank is Christian and Kahn is Buddhist?
**************

The thing with this region is that there's a LOT of details, history, conflicts to the whole thing, it's not simple.

Some people are passionate that the Jewish people should have a place where they can protect themselves after centuries of persecution. Some feel it's at the expense of the Palestinian people.

Hamas is a political-terrorist organization. They are not synonymous with the Palestinian people, just as Benjamin Netanyahu's coalition government is not reflective of all Israelis.

And underneath it all can be anti-zionism, anti-semitism, Islamophobia, anti-Arabism, anti-socialism, so beware of that insidiousness.

Very few people in the world are "experts" on this region.

Also, it's not a desert. That's said dismissively as though these primitive people just don't know any better than to throw rocks at each other over something useless.

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Top to bottom
Gaza, Tel Aviv, farms around the Sea of Galilee.
It's not a piece of desert

Or I could show you desert. Or Israel bulldozing homes of Palestinians, or Israeli victims of terrorism.

What I can tell you is that no media depiction, no one perspective, can inform you.


Don't feel behind, 95% of Americans know very little about that region. And they don't try to know any more.
So I'm very impressed you want to learn more. Ask questions.
There are people here who are knowledgeable.
@Perfectly Paranormal @Victoria @McDanel @thuumpr @knockout have thoughtful perspectives that cover the spectrum.(I know I'm forgetting some..)
@notausername is as accurate as I've seen here, though I disagree moderately with a few nuances.

Hear all sides once you have the basics.
@Ellen Brody
@Blunderbuss Firozabad
Thank you for your research & added context.

I tried my best to boil down historical & religious reasons for the conflict, but I was *not* willing to get into 20th-century specifics (Arab-Israeli conflicts / WWII). Lol.

I'm really glad you pointed out that Hamas =/= the Palestinian people, and that the Israeli gov =/= Jewish people =/= Israeli citizens.

I can't stand when people conflate them o_O
 
Let me attempt at boiling it down how I understand it.

There are no good & bad guys; there are rulers/people in power, and there are civilians/people just trying to exist.

There's also extremists (what many call "terrorists".)

These are complex, interlinked groups of radicalized individuals linked to violence and mass destruction as a means of spreading their message/ideology.

Surely, not every extremist's mind can be understood. However, many see their actions as a necessary means to an end: a rectifying of social ills - perceived or real.

The reality is, ordinary people are suffering. Palestine is basically an enclave; nothing can get in or out without Israel's oversight. They've taken complete militaristic control of the region, and are slowly continuing to take over people's homes in the West Bank (at the east end of Israel. confusing, I know) and other areas primarily made up of Palestinian/Arab neighborhoods.

Plagued by centuries of war, complex inter-ethnic conflicts and global migration/ environmental challenges and chronic poverty + corruption, AND being the location of many important, highly-valued religous sites and relics, the whole region carries the torch of centuries of bloody religious and ethnic conflict.

Yes, there was a time when Holocaust denial was the norm. It took a while for the world to grasp the depth of depravity and scale of horror the holocaust truly represented.

But today, those in power (I.e. the gov' and its military) in Israel are very detached from that legacy. They blatantly violate international law and basic human rights. They kill indiscriminately; medics, journalists and children are just collateral. They block humanitarian aid.

They do all this to put as much pressure on Palestine as possible, because they want to dominate the region. Palestinians and anyone opposed to their agenda is seen as an obstacle to that, and nothing more.

Then there's the people of Israel, surrounded by misinformation (some by the government, others from radicalized individuals) deepening the divide between Jews and Arabs and whatever scapegoat is most convenient at the moment.

Thing is, Israel *needs* Hamas to exist to justify their aggressive militaristic assault and domination, for it serves their ultimate ambitions....total authoritarian control of the region.

and being buddy-buddy with the US is a means to this end.


Back to the terrorists. It's inarguable that the violence Hamas subjected its victims to is abhorrent - unaccepted in any civilized nation, and surely destined to be a subject of future international war crime tribunals.

But Israel is using the collective emotional response to the group's actions to *justify* the abuse of millions of innocent people who are literally struggling to survive, are having their homes raided, their infrastructure destroyed, their hospitals bombed, and the little incoming flow of humanitarian supplies hindered and blockaded.

There are no good guy and bad guys. Just victims and enablers/perpetrators of violence.
Thank you
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@Ellen Brody
@Blunderbuss Firozabad
Thank you for your research & added context.

I tried my best to boil down historical & religious reasons for the conflict, but I was *not* willing to get into 20th-century specifics (Arab-Israeli conflicts / WWII). Lol.

I'm really glad you pointed out that Hamas =/= the Palestinian people, and that the Israeli gov =/= Jewish people =/= Israeli citizens.

I can't stand when people conflate them o_O
Thank you
 
As far as personal opinions go, mine won't be popular in here.

There IS no popular opinion on this issue!

Do you mean not well-liked or not welcome?

You won't always have agreement with your views, but they are always welcome!



first step I would advise that you don't use social media or newspapers to educate yourself. Find neutral historical sources. Everywhere else has some kind of agenda fueling their views.

The movie, The Viewing Booth, is a good film to see.


 
They'll continue until Israel pays them a visit - personally.

Never fight a land war in Asia -says everyone from Alexander the Great to anyone who's tried.

The Israeli military hasn't ever fought on the ground much past its own borders. (Surgical strikes, as I know you know, aren't the same.)

For over a century, the U.S. has done nothing but fight on the ground outside and far beyond it's own borders. Americans see things thru this lens.

Israel has 169,500 active-duty personnel
Iran has 610,000 active-duty personnel (plus 350,000 reserve)

Iran is mountainous and 75 times as big as Israel.
It's a myth that it's a desert, it's only 22% desert (Unlike Saudi Arabia which is 95% desert or The U.S. which is 35% desert)

I don't know what they can do, but they can't do it alone, that's for sure.

The only thing they have going for them is that the Iranian people aren't at all gung-ho about all this (of course photos can be sourced of Iranians burning stars and stripes painted on sheets, but look closer at them.
They're the equivelant of the types of Americans we see burning crosses, dueling banjoes, wearing stained t-shirts, proud of their illiteracy, full of hate.)

Progressive liberals making silly political remarks as Obama and Biden give Iran the financing to terrorize the world and start world war 3
You need lots of money to train terrorist and buy weapons, follow the money, not stupid TDS obsessed progressive remarks.

?
Progressives. Since you said it twice and put Biden in front, this is the new bad thing?
Who are the Regressives then?

*looked it up. I was referred to "The Horseshoe Theory". I lost interest*

What is TDS? I really don't know.

Is it a Tehrani news station?

You know what? Don't tell me, I have a feeling I'll see it here a hundred more times. Truck Drivers Sunburn is what I'll tell myself.

*****************

You are not correct


Iran manufactures almost ALL of its weaponry domestically, and have done so since the early 1990s.

They are geniuses at reverse engineering and have ample resources to supply materials, build and maintain their own arms and munitions and have been doing so before you'd even heard of Barak Obama.
They're mineral, oil, gas, rich, all by themselves. Got all the scientists and engineers and infrastructure and skilled labor they need.

They do it so well that between 3/22-3/23, Iran exported over a billion dollars of military products. (Russia will be receiving a shipment of Fateh 110 missiles next week)

Take a look at publications from say...2005, and the photographic evidence of Iran's F-14s, tanks, missiles, submarines, etc, etc.

Iran is self-sufficient for the most part. 50 years of sanctions forced them to be, duh.


Iran has been on the U.S. state sponsored terrorism list since 1984, so their terrorism isn't because of Obama.


●As far as the money?

This was not funding given to Iran. You refer to foreign assets that belonged to Iran and were frozen by sanctions imposed to impede its nuclear program.
Iran went along with limiting that until...Trump.

Iran itself, and those who have done the research, say it was $23 billion in foreign exchange that belonged to the Bank of Tehran and $6 billion of the Tehran government's money, so in total $29 billion, let's be clear about authentic figures.

No matter how many times Trump says otherwise, which he started doing well before he was in office and therefore had no "inside" information.

Iran's yearly GDP is at the half TRILLION mark. 6% of that didn't cause anything.


You know who really fucked things up? Badly? Trump.

Iran has significantly advanced its nuclear program since the Trump administration pulled out of the 2015 nuclear deal.

Within those last 19 months of the Trump presidency, they went from 300 kgs of 3% enriched uranium, to 3000 kgs of 60% and 80%+ enriched uranium.

An increase of 1000% of weight, 2,500% in enrichment, a million % more sinister.

Do you have any idea what that means? What your hero caused?


Using common sense, some math, which of these two was more dangerous for the world:?

Giving Iran access to it's own money that was just 6% of that a year's GDP, for them,
 VS
ONE individual deciding the U.S. would withdraw from a signed agreement whereby Iran had been limiting it's uranium enrichment provoking Iran to take action and reach nuclear weapon capability as a F-you ?


Biden's talk of sanctions is not the best plan, it's the plan to get him re elected

Insisting Iran's trade partners like China, Russia, UAE, Brazil, Iraq, Italy, Germany participate?

Russia is still taking that shipment of Fateh-150s next week, no matter WHAT Biden, Trump, Obama OR God says.

Biden might as well say:
"I'm just gonna look busy over here, so everyone thinks I'm doing something, and stops expecting me to do anything. I've got an election coming up and I don't want to put the kibosh on that."


************


I assure you, nobody, no tv, (dont have one)no radio (dont have one)no internet opinion piece (don't listen to or read those) or person (my friends and I don't talk about politics, jesus) no one elses opinion or version or statements told me how to think or supplied my info and you know it.

In fact, I have no idea if anyone else in the world sees things the way I do, my ideas are my own, right or wrong.

Feel free to specificly insult my conclusions, but never say they're someone else's ideas.
If you don't have the knowledge to counter, it doesn't mean I'm right. Just shit emoji and move on or come back later when you do, or ignore me.

In complete honesty, when you respond thoughtfully to something, we all listen. Wish you'd do that more pften.

I mean, you don't have to convince your die-hard gang here, they'd clap if you said:

"An April showers brings CEFC China Energy & Power, what does CEFC China Energy & Power bring?
Crack to Hunter Biden!".

Actually, they should clap, that was a good joke I made up.

Peace, silly brother!
 
Never fight a land war in Asia -says everyone from Alexander the Great to anyone who's tried.

The Israeli military hasn't ever fought on the ground much past its own borders. (Surgical strikes, as I know you know, aren't the same.)

For over a century, the U.S. has done nothing but fight on the ground outside and far beyond it's own borders. Americans see things thru this lens.

Israel has 169,500 active-duty personnel
Iran has 610,000 active-duty personnel (plus 350,000 reserve)

Iran is mountainous and 75 times as big as Israel.
It's a myth that it's a desert, it's only 22% desert (Unlike Saudi Arabia which is 95% desert or The U.S. which is 35% desert)

I don't know what they can do, but they can't do it alone, that's for sure.

The only thing they have going for them is that the Iranian people aren't at all gung-ho about all this (of course photos can be sourced of Iranians burning stars and stripes painted on sheets, but look closer at them.
They're the equivelant of the types of Americans we see burning crosses, dueling banjoes, wearing stained t-shirts, proud of their illiteracy, full of hate.)



?
Progressives. Since you said it twice and put Biden in front, this is the new bad thing?
Who are the Regressives then?

*looked it up. I was referred to "The Horseshoe Theory". I lost interest*

What is TDS? I really don't know.

Is it a Tehrani news station?

You know what? Don't tell me, I have a feeling I'll see it here a hundred more times. Truck Drivers Sunburn is what I'll tell myself.

*****************

You are not correct


Iran manufactures almost ALL of its weaponry domestically, and have done so since the early 1990s.

They are geniuses at reverse engineering and have ample resources to supply materials, build and maintain their own arms and munitions and have been doing so before you'd even heard of Barak Obama.
They're mineral, oil, gas, rich, all by themselves. Got all the scientists and engineers and infrastructure and skilled labor they need.

They do it so well that between 3/22-3/23, Iran exported over a billion dollars of military products. (Russia will be receiving a shipment of Fateh 110 missiles next week)

Take a look at publications from say...2005, and the photographic evidence of Iran's F-14s, tanks, missiles, submarines, etc, etc.

Iran is self-sufficient for the most part. 50 years of sanctions forced them to be, duh.


Iran has been on the U.S. state sponsored terrorism list since 1984, so their terrorism isn't because of Obama.


●As far as the money?

This was not funding given to Iran. You refer to foreign assets that belonged to Iran and were frozen by sanctions imposed to impede its nuclear program.
Iran went along with limiting that until...Trump.

Iran itself, and those who have done the research, say it was $23 billion in foreign exchange that belonged to the Bank of Tehran and $6 billion of the Tehran government's money, so in total $29 billion, let's be clear about authentic figures.

No matter how many times Trump says otherwise, which he started doing well before he was in office and therefore had no "inside" information.

Iran's yearly GDP is at the half TRILLION mark. 6% of that didn't cause anything.


You know who really fucked things up? Badly? Trump.

Iran has significantly advanced its nuclear program since the Trump administration pulled out of the 2015 nuclear deal.

Within those last 19 months of the Trump presidency, they went from 300 kgs of 3% enriched uranium, to 3000 kgs of 60% and 80%+ enriched uranium.

An increase of 1000% of weight, 2,500% in enrichment, a million % more sinister.

Do you have any idea what that means? What your hero caused?


Using common sense, some math, which of these two was more dangerous for the world:?

Giving Iran access to it's own money that was just 6% of that a year's GDP, for them,
 VS
ONE individual deciding the U.S. would withdraw from a signed agreement whereby Iran had been limiting it's uranium enrichment provoking Iran to take action and reach nuclear weapon capability as a F-you ?


Biden's talk of sanctions is not the best plan, it's the plan to get him re elected

Insisting Iran's trade partners like China, Russia, UAE, Brazil, Iraq, Italy, Germany participate?

Russia is still taking that shipment of Fateh-150s next week, no matter WHAT Biden, Trump, Obama OR God says.

Biden might as well say:
"I'm just gonna look busy over here, so everyone thinks I'm doing something, and stops expecting me to do anything. I've got an election coming up and I don't want to put the kibosh on that."


************


I assure you, nobody, no tv, (dont have one)no radio (dont have one)no internet opinion piece (don't listen to or read those) or person (my friends and I don't talk about politics, jesus) no one elses opinion or version or statements told me how to think or supplied my info and you know it.

In fact, I have no idea if anyone else in the world sees things the way I do, my ideas are my own, right or wrong.

Feel free to specificly insult my conclusions, but never say they're someone else's ideas.
If you don't have the knowledge to counter, it doesn't mean I'm right. Just shit emoji and move on or come back later when you do, or ignore me.

In complete honesty, when you respond thoughtfully to something, we all listen. Wish you'd do that more pften.

I mean, you don't have to convince your die-hard gang here, they'd clap if you said:

"An April showers brings CEFC China Energy & Power, what does CEFC China Energy & Power bring?
Crack to Hunter Biden!".

Actually, they should clap, that was a good joke I made up.

Peace, silly brother!
As usual very long worded informative post, except they give weapons and train their terrorist proxy takes lots of money, Iran didn't have
Chinese weapons have been found in Palestine, so they are using the Obama and Biden money to buy weapons and train terrorist
Look at that and only used a few words to easily refute your long winded post, only takes a few actual facts :spy:
 
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Israel retaliates against Iran

From Reuters:

"The Israeli military carried out strikes inside Iran early Friday, an Israeli official said, in retaliation for an Iranian barrage of missiles and drones launched last Saturday."

"Iranian state media said air defense systems had intercepted “three small drones” in Isfahan province and that no significant damage had resulted. The area is home to an air base and also research facilities associated with Iran’s nuclear research program."

"Isfahan, a province in central Iran, is the site of the largest nuclear research complex in Iran, according to the Nuclear Threat Initiative; it is also the site of a military base and the Isfahan airport, Iranian media reported. State news agency IRNA said nuclear facilities in the province were undamaged."


A local resident of Isfahan said
"Meh. Sounded like some small firecrackers."

*Later Iranian officials said the Isfahan military base had been struck and separate attack in Tabriz, 500 miles away, had been thwarted.*


From Yahoo/The Independent
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"But the animosity between Iran and Israel is far more bitter and ingrained. The Jewish state sees the Islamic Republic as an existential threat, something Netanyahu has played up in his long political career as he presented himself as ‘Mr Security’.

Overwhelming concern for Israel is of a nuclear armed Iran.
The possibility of this, ironically, has become much stronger since Donald Trump, as president, pulled the US out of the nuclear agreement between Iran and the international community under pressure from the Israelis, the Saudis and other Sunni Gulf states." :eek:










We should have left the Shah alone. Iran has been an extremist shithole ever since. Perhaps that was by design. I wouldn’t doubt it.

You're referring to President Carter allowing the Shah into the U.S. for medical treatment after the revolution deposed him? Yeah

Until the Shah was allowed in, Iranians,- pre and post revolution-were cool with the United States. The U.S. didn't support or discourage either side in the deposing of the Shah. No part of it

When the Shah was roaming earth, dying from cancer, he could have been treated in Mexico, but this happened:

David Rockefeller of Chase Bank sent a doctor to see the deposed Shah in Mexico and came back with a report that he could only be treated in the U.S. (Bullshit).

Rockefeller's motivation?
His bank had made a $500 million loan to PRE-revolutionary Iran, and the new Islamic Republic of Iran was helping itself by withdrawing money and Rockefeller want to stop this bad loan.
He knew that if the Shah was allowed into the U.S., the rage that resulted in the Iranian people who wanted him sent to Iran for trial would cause the seizure of the American Tehran embassy, and access to assets would be frozen by the U.S., ergo, he could get his money back.

Carter wanted SALT II* to be supported by Republican lawmakers at the time and Henry Kissenger (tight with the Rockefellers) said he'd give his support, as a respected Republican, to SALT II if Carter let the Shah in.

Carter let him in on October 22, protests broke out and 13 days later the
embassy was seized.

There were tons of rumors that Ronald Reagan had something to do with the hostages release happening minutes after he was sworn in as president, a conspiracy, but that's nonsense. The Iranians hated Jimmy Carter and this was to punish him.
So, "Oh, Jimmy's not there anymore? Good! They can go home now."

My point is, Iran is very much an eye for an eye nation.

Iran has made it known it doesn't want to escalate. I don't think they're going to do anything.

The US has made it clear it won't go on the offensive with Iran to support Israel.

*What's SALT ll? Nuclear bombs in Utah? ( Salt Lake City?) I don't know.
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Fun Fact? After the USA imposed full sanctions on Iran during the hostage crisis, in October 1980, Israel secretly sold Iran 250 spare tires for American-built F-4 fighters in October to help Iran fight invading Iraq.

Then they promised Carter they'd stop.

"It is assumed by Reagan Administration officials that the Israelis have resumed secret sales to Iran, but no details were available."
-Washington Post article 1981
 
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Never fight a land war in Asia -says everyone from Alexander the Great to anyone who's tried.

The Israeli military hasn't ever fought on the ground much past its own borders. (Surgical strikes, as I know you know, aren't the same.)

For over a century, the U.S. has done nothing but fight on the ground outside and far beyond it's own borders. Americans see things thru this lens.

Israel has 169,500 active-duty personnel
Iran has 610,000 active-duty personnel (plus 350,000 reserve)

Iran is mountainous and 75 times as big as Israel.
It's a myth that it's a desert, it's only 22% desert (Unlike Saudi Arabia which is 95% desert or The U.S. which is 35% desert)

I don't know what they can do, but they can't do it alone, that's for sure.

The only thing they have going for them is that the Iranian people aren't at all gung-ho about all this (of course photos can be sourced of Iranians burning stars and stripes painted on sheets, but look closer at them.
They're the equivelant of the types of Americans we see burning crosses, dueling banjoes, wearing stained t-shirts, proud of their illiteracy, full of hate.)



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Progressives. Since you said it twice and put Biden in front, this is the new bad thing?
Who are the Regressives then?

*looked it up. I was referred to "The Horseshoe Theory". I lost interest*

What is TDS? I really don't know.

Is it a Tehrani news station?

You know what? Don't tell me, I have a feeling I'll see it here a hundred more times. Truck Drivers Sunburn is what I'll tell myself.

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You are not correct


Iran manufactures almost ALL of its weaponry domestically, and have done so since the early 1990s.

They are geniuses at reverse engineering and have ample resources to supply materials, build and maintain their own arms and munitions and have been doing so before you'd even heard of Barak Obama.
They're mineral, oil, gas, rich, all by themselves. Got all the scientists and engineers and infrastructure and skilled labor they need.

They do it so well that between 3/22-3/23, Iran exported over a billion dollars of military products. (Russia will be receiving a shipment of Fateh 110 missiles next week)

Take a look at publications from say...2005, and the photographic evidence of Iran's F-14s, tanks, missiles, submarines, etc, etc.

Iran is self-sufficient for the most part. 50 years of sanctions forced them to be, duh.


Iran has been on the U.S. state sponsored terrorism list since 1984, so their terrorism isn't because of Obama.


●As far as the money?

This was not funding given to Iran. You refer to foreign assets that belonged to Iran and were frozen by sanctions imposed to impede its nuclear program.
Iran went along with limiting that until...Trump.

Iran itself, and those who have done the research, say it was $23 billion in foreign exchange that belonged to the Bank of Tehran and $6 billion of the Tehran government's money, so in total $29 billion, let's be clear about authentic figures.

No matter how many times Trump says otherwise, which he started doing well before he was in office and therefore had no "inside" information.

Iran's yearly GDP is at the half TRILLION mark. 6% of that didn't cause anything.


You know who really fucked things up? Badly? Trump.

Iran has significantly advanced its nuclear program since the Trump administration pulled out of the 2015 nuclear deal.

Within those last 19 months of the Trump presidency, they went from 300 kgs of 3% enriched uranium, to 3000 kgs of 60% and 80%+ enriched uranium.

An increase of 1000% of weight, 2,500% in enrichment, a million % more sinister.

Do you have any idea what that means? What your hero caused?


Using common sense, some math, which of these two was more dangerous for the world:?

Giving Iran access to it's own money that was just 6% of that a year's GDP, for them,
 VS
ONE individual deciding the U.S. would withdraw from a signed agreement whereby Iran had been limiting it's uranium enrichment provoking Iran to take action and reach nuclear weapon capability as a F-you ?


Biden's talk of sanctions is not the best plan, it's the plan to get him re elected

Insisting Iran's trade partners like China, Russia, UAE, Brazil, Iraq, Italy, Germany participate?

Russia is still taking that shipment of Fateh-150s next week, no matter WHAT Biden, Trump, Obama OR God says.

Biden might as well say:
"I'm just gonna look busy over here, so everyone thinks I'm doing something, and stops expecting me to do anything. I've got an election coming up and I don't want to put the kibosh on that."


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I assure you, nobody, no tv, (dont have one)no radio (dont have one)no internet opinion piece (don't listen to or read those) or person (my friends and I don't talk about politics, jesus) no one elses opinion or version or statements told me how to think or supplied my info and you know it.

In fact, I have no idea if anyone else in the world sees things the way I do, my ideas are my own, right or wrong.

Feel free to specificly insult my conclusions, but never say they're someone else's ideas.
If you don't have the knowledge to counter, it doesn't mean I'm right. Just shit emoji and move on or come back later when you do, or ignore me.

In complete honesty, when you respond thoughtfully to something, we all listen. Wish you'd do that more pften.

I mean, you don't have to convince your die-hard gang here, they'd clap if you said:

"An April showers brings CEFC China Energy & Power, what does CEFC China Energy & Power bring?
Crack to Hunter Biden!".

Actually, they should clap, that was a good joke I made up.

Peace, silly brother!
The reason the U.S. fights beyond its borders... Engage the enemy early.
E.g. - Iraq let an army build up outside its border... Twice.

But Israel will start a little differently. I'll bet cyber warfare has started.

Maybe they'll go medieval on their butts. Take down Iran's Command & Control and establish air superiority. My thinking is since Iran lacks an iron dome, start with an EMP nuclear burst over Tehran and Isfahan.

Then ballistic to kill grounded aircraft and naval vessels. A week or so should later, the residual EMP would've died down enough to establish air superiority... Then the air strikes. Any tanks capable of moving are easy targets... Tanks don't shoot up. Iran sues for peace...

Or, just let Iran fire on one of our warships and let us handle it.
 
The reason the U.S. fights beyond its borders... Engage the enemy early.
E.g. - Iraq let an army build up outside its border... Twice.
The strategies are different for sure, (and some might argue against identifying combatants prior to engagement, as "enemies". That's a variance also.)

There is pressure when a country has been attacked, the element of surprise is an advantage that requires an available response, the quickest..

It's different training, infrastructure, supply lines, etc.

But Israel will start a little differently. I'll bet cyber warfare has started.

Yeah, you're right I'll bet.
What kind of things do you thing would make sense or be advantageous? Scenarios?

Iran's 'analog systems', their belief in not putting everything over to technology will help-for a while.

They should hit their naval forces first.
Israel doesn't have a lot of friends between them and Iran-- they're going to need reliable refueling sources. Do they have aircraft carriers, Israel?

Maybe they'll go medieval on their butts. Take down Iran's Command & Control and establish air superiority.
Israel already has that. The air force/planes are Iran's Achilles heel.
It is scarily out of date and maintained poorly.
My thinking is since Iran lacks an iron dome, start with an EMP nuclear burst over Tehran and Isfahan.
An iron dome wouldn't help. The alarm systems that they do have in place did not go off.
It's suspected (rightly so ) that the small drones that Israel used, that explode on contact, were already inside the country of Iran. Their short range gave that away. Placed there before last weekend.
Israel's been hitting Iran with drones at least once a year

That would be an example of Israel's stealth.
Then ballistic to kill grounded aircraft and naval vessels. A week or so should later, the residual EMP would've died down enough to establish air superiority... Then the air strikes. Any tanks capable of moving are easy targets... Tanks don't shoot up.
Agree.

Iran sues for peace...

Hmmm. They're...I don't know.

What I DO know that right here in the USA, in Great Falls, Virginia, lives none other than Reza Pahlavi, Crown Prince of Iran, ready, willing, able, prepared, and hungry to return to his rightful position in Iran!!


Or, just let Iran fire on one of our warships and let us handle it.
Depends on who is in power. They're very disdainful of Trump.

Here's a quick quote
"The incumbent president, who is supposed to hold the elections, says this is the most-rigged U.S. election throughout history,” Khamenei said. “Who says this? The sitting president who is arranging the elections himself. His opponent says Trump intends to widely cheat. This is American democracy.”

It ALWAYS matters how the leadership is perceived, right or wrong
Iran, they're always putting out a list of their enemies.
I really wish there were two different candidates running for president right now.
 
The strategies are different for sure, (and some might argue against identifying combatants prior to engagement, as "enemies". That's a variance also.)

There is pressure when a country has been attacked, the element of surprise is an advantage that requires an available response, the quickest..

It's different training, infrastructure, supply lines, etc.



Yeah, you're right I'll bet.
What kind of things do you thing would make sense or be advantageous? Scenarios?

Iran's 'analog systems', their belief in not putting everything over to technology will help-for a while.

They should hit their naval forces first.
Israel doesn't have a lot of friends between them and Iran-- they're going to need reliable refueling sources. Do they have aircraft carriers, Israel?


Israel already has that. The air force/planes are Iran's Achilles heel.
It is scarily out of date and maintained poorly.

An iron dome wouldn't help. The alarm systems that they do have in place did not go off.
It's suspected (rightly so ) that the small drones that Israel used, that explode on contact, were already inside the country of Iran. Their short range gave that away. Placed there before last weekend.
Israel's been hitting Iran with drones at least once a year

That would be an example of Israel's stealth.

Agree.



Hmmm. They're...I don't know.

What I DO know that right here in the USA, in Great Falls, Virginia, lives none other than Reza Pahlavi, Crown Prince of Iran, ready, willing, able, prepared, and hungry to return to his rightful position in Iran!!



Depends on who is in power. They're very disdainful of Trump.

Here's a quick quote
"The incumbent president, who is supposed to hold the elections, says this is the most-rigged U.S. election throughout history,” Khamenei said. “Who says this? The sitting president who is arranging the elections himself. His opponent says Trump intends to widely cheat. This is American democracy.”

It ALWAYS matters how the leadership is perceived, right or wrong
Iran, they're always putting out a list of their enemies.
I really wish there were two different candidates running for president right now.
No air superiority yet... measure of that is if Israel owns the skies and Iran can't get a single bird off the ground. As far as ground troops... I'm thinking simply enough to hold an airfield.
 
@Ellen Brody
I hope we haven't overwhelmed you.
Theres nothing wrong with starting to learn from what's in the news today and going forward.
This is an interesting time in history to be present for
You can start at any time, thats how most of us started learning.
A newstory that caught our attention and then we paid a little more attention, and day by day our understanding developed.
Bare minimum? Print out a map of the region and tack it on the wall so you can visualize things. That's all

Small bites.

No air superiority yet... measure of that is if Israel owns the skies and Iran can't get a single bird off the ground. As far as ground troops... I'm thinking simply enough to hold an airfield.

Some good articles on this and another aspect.
If you run into a pay wall, go back, turn on your mobile device's Airplane Mode and open it again.
You can jump right over that paywall!




This guy? Smh. The architect.



@knockout I looked up TDS and I AM actually familiar with that phrase. But, and this is funny, I thought it was in reference to his supporters.
Some of his supporters have tried to discourage usage of this term for that very reason. Kind of boomerangs back because it's...well it's not very good as slogan insults go.

The pure definition? Had some merit.
If you find 100% of someone's actions objectionable-good ideas too? That's not reasonable. You lose credibility.
Unless all you want it to be is the Pied Piper of Hate, and if it's that?
Koo koo kachoo.
 
Progressive liberals making silly political remarks as Obama and Biden give Iran the financing to terrorize the world and start world war 3
You need lots of money to train terrorist and buy weapons, follow the money, not stupid TDS obsessed progressive remarks
still suck Obamas dick what 9 years later? it just eats you up in side knowing that that uppity colored fella was sleeping in the "white house" doesn't it? and Fux Israel too bunch of colonizing parasites feeding on the US teet now they got a real problem on their hands.
 
I appreciate everyone who has been answering my questions and helping me understand.It’s going to take me a while to really understand so all the help and encouragement is so sincerely appreciated.It’s SO MUCH to understand my son has a huge world map on his wall I’ll look at it for sure.
 
i need to think a little more next generation warfare fought old school. @Blunderbuss Firozabad posted something that indicates begat happened.

Israel was 'probing' Iran's defenses... Send in a wave of cheap drones mixed with missiles which Iran knocks down a percentage.

Old school is you shell the enemy relentlessly to exhaustion.

New school is to drone them relentlessly to exhaust their defense capability.
 
i need to think a little more next generation warfare fought old school. @Blunderbuss Firozabad posted something that indicates begat happened.

Israel was 'probing' Iran's defenses... Send in a wave of cheap drones mixed with missiles which Iran knocks down a percentage.

Old school is you shell the enemy relentlessly to exhaustion.

New school is to drone them relentlessly to exhaust their defense capability.

It's chilling. Almost like the urban legend about the "teenage babysitter who receives telephone calls that turn out to be coming from inside the house."

Israel quietly let Iran know how vulnerable they are.
They'd already slept in their bed, shit in their toilet, and fucked their wife. And they have the polaroids to prove it.

What else did they do?


The West is very formal and formulaic, you're right.
Other regions/cultures will yank the shoe off the foot of their enemy and beat them to death with it.
 

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