Michelle Lynn Smith watched her RSO husband Glen Bracy molest their toddler

[wintersfootsteps]

Levonius disagreed, saying that Smith knew Glen Bracy was a registered sex offender when she met him and was warned by a therapist not to marry him.

Smith ignored the warning and married Bracy on Jan, 26, 2002.

She was given warning that this guy was bad news. She didn't care.

She deserves any punishment she gets.

[MadeaBecBec]

Michelle Lynn Smith, 42

Rough!! To say the least, I can see this woman having problems with self esteem.

[donegaveup]

Good find on the picture Madeabecbec! I looked yesterday and didn't find one. It's not a whole lot to look at now that I've seen but it is what I expected, more or less.

[TheMeaningOfItAll]

Good self-esteem, bad self-esteem, I call bullshit on anyone who is willing to give that bitch a free pass on what happened. I totally agree with Nell. I think she got off on the idea that her child was being abused. She knew he was a RSO. She was warned not to marry him. Not just for any future children's sake. For her OWN. I don't care what the psychology of her choice is. Sometimes, people are just fucked in the head. Chances are if she didn't marry that guy, she would have found someone else that fulfilled her perversions...

[skeptik]

This bitch was a dick junkie. Instead of offering up her children she shoulda done some sit ups and got some contacts.

I mean, really, this bitch is desperation personified.

I've got no fucking sympathy but tell me why you do---

[MadeaBecBec]

Originally Posted by skeptik

This bitch was a dick junkie. Instead of offering up her children she shoulda done some sit ups and got some contacts.

I mean, really, this bitch is desperation personified.

I've got no fucking sympathy but tell me why you do---

Michelle gets no sympathy from me. I think she's just as much a pervert as Bracy. Wonder whose therapist it was, telling Michelle not to marry him? Bracys or Smiths?? If it was hers, what was the therapist for? Why was Bracy not being monitored and their home being inspected? Who dropped the ball on that one?

[thehesbomb]

Whatever. She's not the prettiest person out there but certainly not the ugliest. I work with people that are uglier and they have families, good jobs, a house, a life they can be proud of...

[badfish76]

Why would anyone marry a person that they could NEVER fulfill?

There is no way she was ever going to be able to satisfy him since she was well past puberty so why would she (or anyone) marry a child molester that gets their rocks off on children?

It would be like a woman marrying a gay man. Sexual incompatibility. <gag, retch>

[wintersfootsteps]

I have an off-topic question for you guys. You might know the answer, you might not. It's just something that sticks out in my head.

Sometimes when you see mug shots people seem to have a sheet (or what looks to be a towel in this case) draped around their shoulders.

Why do some police agencies to this when they take the mug shot? It's just kind of strange to me. I am very curious.

Back on topic...

She isn't the prettiest woman in the world (and I don't really have the right to say that because I'm not exactly supermodel material) so she might have been scared to lose the pervert.

I am *not* giving her a free pass because she was dealt certain genetic cards... this should have never happened regardless of her situation... I just think it might be one of the underlying causes for her actions... or lack of action I should say. :|

That poor girl :(

[wintersfootsteps]

Originally Posted by badfish76

Why would anyone marry a person that they could NEVER fulfill?

There is no way she was ever going to be able to satisfy him since she was well past puberty so why would she (or anyone) marry a child molester that gets their rocks off on children?

It would be like a woman marrying a gay man. Sexual incompatibility. <gag, retch>

Are you gagging/retching because of gay people? or because of the pedophilia? I should say along with the pedophilia. There is no question that pedophile behavior should make people gag and wretch.

[thehesbomb]

I have an off-topic question for you guys. You might know the answer, you might not. It's just something that sticks out in my head.

Sometimes when you see mug shots people seem to have a sheet (or what looks to be a towel in this case) draped around their shoulders.

Why do some police agencies to this when they take the mug shot? It's just kind of strange to me. I am very curious.

Supposedly it serves the purpose of "leveling the playing field" so all perps look the same (with regard to attire). Maybe the areas that do this have seen one too many Smoking Gun mugshot lineups focused on t-shirt designs!

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...2071mugs1.html

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...4081mugs1.html

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...4081mugs1.html

etc., etc....

[Lizard]

Originally Posted by TheMeaningOfItAll

Good self-esteem, bad self-esteem, I call bullshit on anyone who is willing to give that bitch a free pass on what happened.

Having read this thread several times, I can only assume it's me you want to "call bullshit" on, which thus suggests to me that you either didn't really read what I wrote or are incapable of simultaneously being outraged for any victim while also critically examining the roles of perpetrators and those who enable the perpetrators.

I totally agree with Nell. I think she got off on the idea that her child was being abused.

Horseshit. Is it possible? Absolutely. As more information is released, we may find that to be 100% the case. But you're gonna call that based on what you've read here, which is based on early news media reports of whatever-the-fuck police have released?

Now, don't let this point escape you: I am NOT giving her a pass. I'm not making excuses for her. Are you getting that? But when anyone comes in and states with such certainly that they know a perp's motivation based on the shit posted here...well.

She knew he was a RSO. She was warned not to marry him. Not just for any future children's sake. For her OWN.

Nope. You are not in her head, you don't know what she "knew." Was she TOLD? YES!!!

I don't care what the psychology of her choice is. Sometimes, people are just fucked in the head. Chances are if she didn't marry that guy, she would have found someone else that fulfilled her perversions...

I call DOUBLE bullshit on that. "Sometimes, people are just fucked in the head"? That's the best you got? Please. And if you don't CARE about "the psychology of her choice," then why didn't you just say, "She's a vile despicable waste of oxygen who should be shot" and just move on?

Anyone who has been around for a while KNOWS that I am very conscious of the standards of discussion at D'D, and I'm really feeling let down here. I take it many of you are here for the thrills and not because you've ever actually been around a truly dangerous person who knows how to manipulate vulnerabilities and use isolation, persuasive talk, etc. to move a person who otherwise would have been a happy normal little citizen into a position of something awful.

Fuck Michelle Smith. I'll say it again: let her DIE for what she allowed to happen to her child. But let's not fake it and act like we're all intelligent people who want to discuss the various contexts in which crimes are committed if we really want to just paint everything black and white and say "Oooh!" and "Ahhh!" while we look at the bodies being removed from the car wreck.

[donegaveup]

Just in case there are any questions I have NO sympathy for this woman and DO NOT give her a pass for what she let happen to her child.

Everything else I wanted to say was covered by Lizard, who by the way I am now giving a standing ovation.

[mommacrazy30]

I take it many of you are here for the thrills and not because you've ever actually been around a truly dangerous person who knows how to manipulate vulnerabilities and use isolation, persuasive talk, etc. to move a person who otherwise would have been a happy normal little citizen into a position of something awful.

i call bullshit on that. we have all had our issues and if yours are worse then anybody else's, well sorry. but shit happens to all and even if you think your shit is more important than others then think again. people are self-centered and my problems are more important then yours cause they are happening to me. i can feel bad for you but i will always feel bad for me first.
it is what it is.

[thehesbomb]

I have to agree with Lizard here. Human beings are so incredibly malleable. That is what phenomena like the bystander effect, the Stanford Prison Experiment, the obedience experiments (too lazy to look up the real name) show us. That there are infinite ways in which what we believe to be our nature can be perverted.

[Lizard]

Originally Posted by thehesbomb

That is what phenomena like the bystander effect, the Stanford Prison Experiment, the obedience experiments (too lazy to look up the real name) show us.

Stanley Milgram. I can't think of his experiments without thinking of the Prison Experiment, too.

[Lizard]

Originally Posted by mommacrazy30

i call bullshit on that. we have all had our issues and if yours are worse then anybody else's, well sorry. but shit happens to all and even if you think your shit is more important than others then think again. people are self-centered and my problems are more important then yours cause they are happening to me. i can feel bad for you but i will always feel bad for me first.
it is what it is.

I'm sorry, momma, if I was misleading. I wasn't talking about myself.

[Lizard]

Originally Posted by mommacrazy30

maybe its better that we don't understand what led to this. maybe it is what it is.

now back to my sand digging.

momma, I read back through the thread to see what I had missed, and THIS was it.

Under NO circumstances would it be better for us to NOT understand what led to this. It is ONLY with understanding it (assuming such understanding is possible) that we can KNOW the warning signs, the precursors, the indicators, and so on, that would allow it to be PREVENTED.

As much as I am FOR punishing those who harm innocents, I am DOUBLE for preventing any harm.

[badfish76]

Originally Posted by wintersfootsteps

Are you gagging/retching because of gay people? or because of the pedophilia? I should say along with the pedophilia. There is no question that pedophile behavior should make people gag and wretch.

Not gays (as long as their partners are willing and of age). Just the thought of sexual compatibility and what it means to pedos. Lord knows there are a lot worse things in the world than same sex love.

The facts of what entails sexual compatibility for a pedo is a concept I don't even want to set my mind squarely on because just the periphery of the idea make me sick, if you catch my drift.

[TheMeaningOfItAll]

Originally Posted by Lizard

Anyone who has been around for a while KNOWS that I am very conscious of the standards of discussion at D'D, and I'm really feeling let down here. I take it many of you are here for the thrills and not because you've ever actually been around a truly dangerous person who knows how to manipulate vulnerabilities and use isolation, persuasive talk, etc. to move a person who otherwise would have been a happy normal little citizen into a position of something awful.

I think this is an interesting discussion to have. Because, maybe for me, this case hits a little close to home. I don't disagree that knowing why women (and men in some cases) make the decisions they do can help us as humans. And it is true that many people are very pliable. Factor in low self esteem, abuse during childhood, lack of a "morality" gene, whatever, and things can go very badly. I've experienced that "type" of person first-hand and the only thing I took away from it was that I had ZERO sympathy for the person who allowed herself to be manipulated, molded, abused in such a way that she would allow abuse to those she professed to love. To this day, said woman admits that she knew what she was allowing to happen was wrong. She just was afraid to take a stand. So, for Michelle, I argue, she KNEW what was going on. She wasn't deaf or blind. She made the decision to lay in bed naked with her baby and molester husband. Her daughter testified that she watched while it went on. The husband said he molested the baby upwards of 50 times. In my humble opinion, no effing way he molested her 50times and she didn't know something was going on. And in the off-shoot that she really, truly didn't, I argue that she CHOSE to not know. To look the other way. For me, in this case, it IS black and white.

Thank you for calling bullshit on my bullshit. This is probably one we'll have to agree to disagree on. We all have our own experiences and opinions that we bring to the table. That's what's so great about this place.

[wintersfootsteps]

I just want to say that I frequent forums of all kinds and it's cool when people can agree to disagree on things and calmly discuss differences in a rational way. I am a moderator on an ex-Mormon forum and I have to break up fights and step in when people get out of hand for one reason or another.

More often than not it turns into one person calling another a doodie-face, moron or worse.

I think that is why I like it here so much. It's just nice to see.

[Pixie]

Originally Posted by wintersfootsteps

She was given warning that this guy was bad news. She didn't care.

She deserves any punishment she gets.

I've watched your posts on MDS and I know how smart you are. You have to be careful not to fall into the "tear their heads off and shit down their throats" chant that happens after a while.

Once you REALLY start to evaulate and examine criminals and their behaviors it becomes far more intresting. This is where Lizard is going.

Not that most of these people don't deserve the sentiments, but truly understanding crime and especially the most depraved takes a broader view.

[Pixie]

Originally Posted by Lizard

momma, I read back through the thread to see what I had missed, and THIS was it.

Under NO circumstances would it be better for us to NOT understand what led to this. It is ONLY with understanding it (assuming such understanding is possible) that we can KNOW the warning signs, the precursors, the indicators, and so on, that would allow it to be PREVENTED.

As much as I am FOR punishing those who harm innocents, I am DOUBLE for preventing any harm.

I can't agree MORE!

[penelopejo]

more info....makes me sicker...

http://cbs11tv.com/local/harsh.priso...2.1302319.html

She didn't physically assault anyone or steal anything, but a North Texas woman was sentenced to more than 200 years in prison. It's a record-setting punishment for the Collin County mother who calls the ruling 'a miscarriage of justice.' But prosecutors say Michelle Smith deserves every minute of her sentence.

"I was stunned, would be the least of my reaction," Smith said. "It was pretty much a travesty of justice."

The sentence still hasn't sunk in, but Michelle Smith is serving her first day of a 210-year sentence. The punishment was handed down by a Collin County jury and judge.

Smith was convicted of aggravated sexual assault. "It's saying someone who has never been in trouble, somebody who has not even paid a traffic ticket, isn't worth something," the 42-year-old mother claimed.

Prosecutors say over a two-year period Smith did nothing to stop her husband, Glen Bracy, from sexually abusing her 4-year-old daughter.

When asked if she should have known about the abuse, Smith said, "Yes, I should have." When asked how she couldn't have known, Smith said, "At no point was there ever a sign of trauma."

But there were signs Bracy was a pedophile. He was a convicted sex offender when he met Smith. Responding to her choice to become involved with Bracy, Smith said, "Honestly, I was being stupid."

While Smith says she is guilty of bad judgment, she feels the life sentence is unfair. "I didn't expect the 210 years, though. I think 10, even 20 would have been fair."

Prosecutors didn't feel the same way. They sought and obtained a record-breaking sentence. The punishment was for a crime that prosecutors say Smith not only tolerated, but witnessed.

"Her mother asked them to be quiet, because she was making too much noise. So, I mean, just horrible things just happened to this child," explained Collin County Prosecutor Crystal Levonius. "Over a long period she sexualized the child by allowing the child to walk around the home naked."

[donegaveup]

Go right ahead and cry yourself a river you worthless bitch, just make sure you save your tears so you can drown yourself in them later. Your might see your sentence as saying "you aren't worth anything" but I see it as saying your child is worth much, much more than you could ever hope to be. I hope someday sentences like yours become the norm for anyone and everyone who commits a crime against a child.

Here's a big old "FUCK YOU" for you, now shut your gob and get on off to prison where you belong.

[wintersfootsteps]

Originally Posted by Pixie

I've watched your posts on MDS and I know how smart you are. You have to be careful not to fall into the "tear their heads off and shit down their throats" chant that happens after a while.

Thanks for the compliment, I respect everyone on this forum and I think you are all quite intelligent as well. Well, for the most part... (not talking about you... you are smart).

In light of this new gem:

"Her mother asked them to be quiet, because she was making too much noise. So, I mean, just horrible things just happened to this child," explained Collin County Prosecutor Crystal Levonius. "Over a long period she sexualized the child by allowing the child to walk around the home naked."

I will have to stand by my original statement.

She deserves any punishment she has coming to her.

What. A. Bitch.

[Ninja0980]

I agree with this DA and I hope it does send a message. It's one thing for a single mother to not know their new boyfriend/husband is a pedophile. After all, most don't go up to single mothers and tell them they want to date them solely to have sex with their kids. Their true evil nature is hidden well.
It's another where in a case like this and countless others, where these women know exactly what kind of person the new man in their life is.... and let them have access to their kids anyway. They care about nothing but their own selfish desires. It says a lot the little girl knew what was happening to her was wrong and stopped the abuse but her mother did nothing.