You have not taken the time to register to this awesome forum, or you are not signed in. Registering benefits you in many ways that you will find once you have done so. This registration is NOT the same registration you may have gone through on the front page of dreamindemon.com as the forum acts independently.
Some confusion on Social Groups and Social Forums, so here are some helpful links. First off, here are all the Social Groups. These Social Groups can be turned into Social Forums. Any Bold Member can make a Social Group, but there are certain requirements for turning one into a Social Forum. You can read about those right here.
Three ThingsPolitics, Religion and Money. Forum for discussing topics that usually always end up in a flaming heap. Read this before posting!
Again, I am speaking of my experience at the bar. What about the rights of the child that could have lived if birth happened right then and there? Are you not concerned with that person's rights? I told my boss no knowing I could be fired. I was willing to lose my job over my belief that it is unhealthy to drink alcohol when you are pregnant. I would have felt bad about myself if I had done it. Just because something is legal doesnt mean it is good and just because something is illegal doesnt mean it is bad. Puppy mills are legal, should I buy a dog from a pet store because of it? Our laws are not my moral guide. Have you seen a child with FAS? Yes, I choose the side of those people over the mother who made them a victim.
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to icannottellalie For This Useful Post:
There are many other ways to advocate for children besides denying some woman you thought was pregnant a glass of wine.
Give me a break. You were a server not a doctor.
Back to topic: Every time I see this thread "Time Warp" starts up in my head.
__________________
I had a great time doing drugs. *Sorry* Never murdered anyone, never robbed anyone, never raped anyone, never beat anyone, never lost a job, a car, a house, a wife or kids, laughed my ass off, and went about my day. ~Bill Hicks
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to skeptik For This Useful Post:
Again, I am speaking of my experience at the bar. What about the rights of the child that could have lived if birth happened right then and there? Are you not concerned with that person's rights? I told my boss no knowing I could be fired. I was willing to lose my job over my belief that it is unhealthy to drink alcohol when you are pregnant. I would have felt bad about myself if I had done it. Just because something is legal doesnt mean it is good and just because something is illegal doesnt mean it is bad. Puppy mills are legal, should I buy a dog from a pet store because of it? Our laws are not my moral guide. Have you seen a child with FAS? Yes, I choose the side of those people over the mother who made them a victim.
For the record, I do not believe that pregnant women should smoke or drink. Refer to Skeptik's post above.
Last edited by Echo; October 24th, 2009 at 10:13 AM.
The Following User Says Thank You to Echo For This Useful Post:
Again, I am speaking of my experience at the bar. What about the rights of the child that could have lived if birth happened right then and there? Are you not concerned with that person's rights? I told my boss no knowing I could be fired. I was willing to lose my job over my belief that it is unhealthy to drink alcohol when you are pregnant. I would have felt bad about myself if I had done it. Just because something is legal doesnt mean it is good and just because something is illegal doesnt mean it is bad. Puppy mills are legal, should I buy a dog from a pet store because of it? Our laws are not my moral guide. Have you seen a child with FAS? Yes, I choose the side of those people over the mother who made them a victim.
icannottellalie,
For some reason, I have the feeling that you think you should be receiving accolades for not serving that woman a drink because you keep going back stating YOUR opinions YOUR reasons, apparently you are not going to get any cause what you did was wrong, whether you like it or not. All we have here are YOUR views, which are not the law. I guess you can't see the connection here. I too, don't think pregnant women should drink, but it is NOT against the law for her to ask for a drink. You made a decision based on your moral issues not the law, you have NO right to do this, you created your own vigilante law by taking matters into your own hands.
You were a cocktail waitress, you knew nothing about these people sitting at the table. Take into consideration this scenario, how do you know that that woman's pregnancy was a result of a forced incestuous rape, resulting in a terribly deformed fetus which her doctor told her she must abort to save her life. How do you know that these people had not just come there to get a drink to calm her nerves? How do you know if her doctor may have recommended she have a glass of wine to get necessary vitamins she needs that cannot be ingested any other way,,,there are millions of reasons,,my point is, you knew nothing of this woman so you had no right to pass judgment on her just to calm your moral fears. I can't understand why you would be in this business because I'm sure this was bound to come up, maybe you should work in a family restaurant were there is no alcohol.
As a waitress, you did not swear to uphold the law and were not being paid by taxpayer money like this moronic sludge was, but neither one of you has any right to inflict their moral positions on total strangers. I don't mean to nasty to you, cause I have seen too many kids with FAS, so maybe we can work together to have laws changed, but until that time, it is the woman's right.
__________________
The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to groovy135 For This Useful Post:
So bottom line, if standing up for what you believe in is so important (which to me it is), then you accept the consequences happily.
The server loses her job and she isn't mad because she was holding to her personal belief and so does the JOP that refused to marry people he personally felt should not be married.
I thought the docs said a glass of wine was o.k. here and there anyway when pregnant.
__________________
The Following User Says Thank You to Rockin Ma For This Useful Post:
BATON ROUGE, La. – A Louisiana justice of the peace who refuses to marry interracial couples resigned Tuesday, after weeks of calls for his ouster from civil rights groups and several public officials, including the governor.
Keith Bardwell quit with a one-sentence statement to Louisiana Secretary of State Jay Dardenne: "I do hereby resign the office of Justice of the Peace for the Eighth Ward of Tangipahoa Parish, Louisiana, effective November 3, 2009." Gov. Bobby Jindal called Bardwell's resignation "long overdue."
__________________
I had a great time doing drugs. *Sorry* Never murdered anyone, never robbed anyone, never raped anyone, never beat anyone, never lost a job, a car, a house, a wife or kids, laughed my ass off, and went about my day. ~Bill Hicks
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to skeptik For This Useful Post:
Location: Fayetteville ar in the house whoot whoot!
Posts: 621
Groans: 2
Groaned at 6 Times in 3 Posts
Thanks: 1,950
Thanked 552 Times in 274 Posts
all i have to say is ...what if they had kids together already? would he had married them then or still refused on the basis that ummm...they had a kid?
#2 i manage a restaurant and in my state if you over-serve a customer and they get into an accident you, your server and the company are all held responsable. you got them drunk, they are your responsibilty.
I have respect for anyone who will stand up for what they believe in even if there may be some backlash. He wasn't stopping them form getting married. He personally did not want to perform the ceremony. I worked as a server at a nightclub and a 6 month pregnant woman came in with a birthday party. She ordered a glass of wine. I am a parent. I believe if one wouldnt put it in a baby bottle they shouldn't put it in their body during pregnancy. I could not serve her the drink. She told me I ruined her evening. Always funny to me when people try to give me control of their feelings. I talked to my boss and he said it was illegal for me to discriminate against her because of the pregnancy and that I would have to serve her. I said no and asked who I should ask to bring it to her. The bartender ended up doing it, 4 times. Now, we can argue whether or not a glass of wine here or there would hurt a baby, but 4 drinks, give me a break. I should not have been forced into going against my personal beliefs for her benefit. The judge shouldn't either. I agree that a government shouldn't take away one's right to live as they choose as long as they do no harm to others. I dont agree that a government should be given the power to veto one's values. I think he is right and wrong. Yes, there are cases of family members not treating mixed children as part of the family, but that also comes with step children and adopted children. I dont think the problems that family may face are extreme enough to end the relationship. Also, the human race will continue longer with the mixing of genes, making us a stonger species.
Not trying to be rude, and while I don't think a pregnant woman should drink, it is not your place to make that decision for her. That is like someone refusing to sell me birth control because they don't believe in abortion or contraceptives.
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Sarabei For This Useful Post:
One stupid bigot down and many more to go.........
You'll never get me!
__________________ "How much of a crisis? It will be-I am thinking in terms of-the point is, everything is a crisis. (Expletive deleted) it is a terrible lousy thing."-March 13,1973
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Pete Bondurant For This Useful Post:
__________________ "How much of a crisis? It will be-I am thinking in terms of-the point is, everything is a crisis. (Expletive deleted) it is a terrible lousy thing."-March 13,1973
October 23rd, 2009, 11:57 PM
Linear Mode
