"Diversity Training"...Multi-Culturalism Gone Wild?

**Athena** · November 6th, 2007, 07:23 PM

Perhaps you may have heard about FIRE's (Foundation for Individual Rights in Education) discovery of what can only be considered a thinly veiled attempt at thought-reprogramming at the University of Delaware. In a nutshell: The UofD mandates that all freshmen reside on campus and receive Residence Life Diversity Facilitation training.

Now, if I've made it all the way to college without accepting diversity, do they really think some "diversity facilitation training" will reverse that...Especially when it involves "definitions" like those below?

“A RACIST: A racist is one who is both privileged and socialized on the basis of race by a white supremacist (racist) system. The term applies to all white people (i.e., people of European descent) living in the United States, regardless of class, gender, religion, culture or sexuality. By this definition, people of color cannot be racists, because as peoples within the U.S. system, they do not have the power to back up their prejudices, hostilities, or acts of discrimination. (This does not deny the existence of such prejudices, hostilities, acts of rage or discrimination.)" - Page 3

“REVERSE RACISM: A term created and used by white people to deny their white privilege. Those in denial use the term reverse racism to refer to hostile behavior by people of color toward whites, and to affirmative action policies, which allegedly give 'preferential treatment' to people of color over whites. In the U.S., there is no such thing as 'reverse racism.'" - Page 3

“A NON-RACIST: A non-term. The term was created by whites to deny responsibility for systemic racism, to maintain an aura of innocence in the face of racial oppression, and to shift responsibility for that oppression from whites to people of color (called "blaming the victim"). Responsibility for perpetuating and legitimizing a racist system rests both on those who actively maintain it, and on those who refuse to challenge it. Silence is consent." - Page 3

The "educators" who developed this training continue on to gems like this one:

"Have you ever heard a well-meaning white person say, 'I'm not a member of any race except the human race?' What she usually means by this statement is that she doesn't want to perpetuate racial categories by acknowledging that she is white. This is an evasion of responsibility for her participation in a system based on supremacy for white people." - Page 8

Note the usage of "she" instead of "he"...Even though "he" is the proper default in the English language.

Now, here's my question: Is this type of thing a natural bi-product of multi-culturalism? Does the wish for diversity require that we endure such deviations from integrity and logic?

Furthermore, what right does a school have to mandate "diversity training"?

**swivel** · November 6th, 2007, 08:31 PM

Unreal. As in, So-Fucking-Crazy-I-Assume-You-Made-This-Up-To-Piss-Me-Off, unreal.

**Athena** · November 6th, 2007, 09:32 PM

You checked out my links, right? I linked to the actual material. The ACTUAL UofD training material. "Unreal" is right. What's worse? This is nothing new. Check out FIRE's website...It'll make you want to throw yourself off a bridge.

For example...The "equality walk" at one school required white, male students to stand in front of the class and be tormented and harassed by fellow students in an attempt to give these kids a first-hand experience with discrimination. The best part...

This was not college students. This was at the elementary level (link to come...hopefully).

FIRE has been ending wayward "diversity training" programs for YEARS. You'd be amazed. Strike that..."horrified".

I'm curious, though, why people support this type of thing?

Okay...I'm going to come right out and ask -

Why is diversity a good thing? What has it done for any country?

I'm not asking this as a white person...I'm asking as an objectivist.

**swivel** · November 7th, 2007, 07:30 AM

They aren't really teaching "Diversity". How can a program of indoctrination be considered a pathway towards a more diverse populace? Amost everyone has hate in them. Some people channel their hate towards people with different skin color, or fat people, or, in this case, against people that haven't had their fill of the Diversity Kool-Aid.

I live in Boone, NC now, which is a haven for moronic hippies. I see bumperstickers all day long that spew hatred while pretending to be about peace. All these fuckers want is for EVERYONE ELSE TO BE JUST LIKE THEM. Which is what almost everybody wants. It is a very primal drive in each of us. Part of it is a desire to fit in, to not stand out in the crowd. Another part is the narcissistic urge to be around people like ourselves. It is the reason that we clump together in cliques of like-looking and like-minded people. It is natural and should not be railed against.

What kills me is that the people that rail against this urge all clump together with everyone else that makes this feature their most salient one. Just like the geeks that pride their intellect above all else will create a group that is fat, thin, black, white, rich, poor. While the group that prides itself on athleticism will overlook color, religion, intellect, etc... Each group is made up of members that identifies their individual natures with the same selection as the rest.

In the case of diversity nazis, their primal urge is how fucking progressive they are, and they will only tolerate and hang out with similar people. The DIFFERENCE IS THEIR HYPOCRISY. Nobody else is doing the EXACT OPPOSITE of what their salient feature PROCLAIMS!

Pause to think about this for a minute. It is a great bit of irony.

This would be like the athletic group eating ice-cream all day. Or the geek group watching the shopping channel as their primary past-time. Or the beauty squad wrestling pigs. What you have is a group that pretends to love everyone just the way they are, setting out to make everyone conform. And they PRETEND that the root of diversity is skin-color, making them the only group that harps on supposed innate differences between races. WTF?

If these idiots were intellectually honest, they would go make friends with racists and embrace them for being different. They wouldn't care if people litter, or if the Earth is warming up a bit. Hey, it takes all types, right? Right?!?

**dop** · November 8th, 2007, 03:03 PM

Dear jebus thats just plain ridiculous.

**Rotten Apple** · November 8th, 2007, 03:34 PM

As a non-white person, what the fffff...?

**Athena** · November 8th, 2007, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by Kathy

As a non-white person, what the fffff...?

LMAO...Word. :p

As an add to swivel's well articulated diatribe, my third favorite man, Mr. Ron Paul, states: "Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans strictly as members of groups rather than individuals. Racists believe that all individuals who share superficial physical characteristics are alike: as collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups. By encouraging Americans to adopt a group mentality, the advocates of so-called "diversity" actually perpetuate racism. Their obsession with racial group identity is inherently racist." Read his entire essay on Government and Racism (it's a short one) here.

True dat, Mr. Paul...True dat.

This doesn't simply apply to race, either. as swivel pointed out. Viewing things in terms of socio-economic and gender "groups" is equally detrimental, in my opinion. It's detrimental on a personal level and to society as a whole. By making allowances for me because I'm a woman, for example, society is encouraging me to not work to my full potential.

"Leveling the playing field" is NOT equality. It's giving one group something more than another group in an effort to make up for shortcomings that we don't even necessarily know the cause of. Because I'm a woman, I'll continue on with that. Creating allowances that make it easier for women to get into math and science programs, for example, WILL do just that. You will see more women in these programs. However, these programs (quotas and such) don't address the REASON behind why women are less likely to engage in these fields, so, instead, we're simply introducing less qualified students into those areas.

The only way for people to be truely equal is if they are judged in terms of individual achievement. Even then, life's not fair. Some people will have to work harder than others. Still, that's as close as we'll get and it's beneficial in the long run. Programs that level the playing field only acclimate those factions of society to operating with an advantage. You take that advantage away and they will fail to perform.

Women and wages is another good example, in my opinion. They want equal pay. They assume that they aren't getting it because "the man is keeping us down". Realistically, we aren't getting it because we choose lower paying fields, we take more time off than men (for child-rearing purposes) and we don't negotiate for our wages as voraciously as men do. Because the group identity is focused on, these facts are ignored, the discrimination myth is adhered to, and women end up lobbying for "equal" pay for what is ultimately less work.

If we quit looking at things in terms of women vs. men and instead focused on individual achievement, this issue would solve itself.

**swivel** · November 8th, 2007, 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by Athena

Women and wages is another good example, in my opinion. They want equal pay. They assume that they aren't getting it because "the man is keeping us down". Realistically, we aren't getting it because we choose lower paying fields, we take more time off than men (for child-rearing purposes) and we don't negotiate for our wages as voraciously as men do. Because the group identity is focused on, these facts are ignored, the discrimination myth is adhered to, and women end up lobbying for "equal" pay for what is ultimately less work.

Actually, this mystery has been solved. A female psychiatrist in the New England area did the brilliant research. What she found was shocking, but so logical the neatness of it was more convincing than the numbers.

Looking at men and women with the same job, same experience, and same region she found that the difference in pay could 100% be accounted for a very simple fact that popped up in her questionnaire, that nobody else had thought to ask: The men, on average, tended to ASK FOR MORE MONEY! Women, who are more timid, less prone to risk (testosterone-driven traits), were satisfied with initial offerings almost every time. Men, meanwhile, tried to maximize and took the risk to ask for more. Once this was accounted for, the .12 difference (or whatever it was then) disappeared!

I'm too lazy to find the study, but you owe it to yourself to track it down. The things you mention are reasons why the entire female populace make less, on average, than the entire male populace, but that is not the comparison that anyone should care about. It is the inequality of two equally-skilled people, with identical jobs, making different pay.

I saw this for myself when my wife took her latest job. I begged her to ask for more money, and she insisted that they didn't have anymore, and refused to ask for anything other than what was offered. Testosterone is to blame, and I bet you would find that bi-sexual women and gay women make more, for identical situations, than straight women.

**Rotten Apple** · November 8th, 2007, 08:27 PM

I just have to say this. Take it like you want.

The whole racial oppression thing is over-exaggerated. Sure, back in the day it existed, but we have come a long way from that.

I am a non-white person. Chicana to be exact, but I am 6th generation American Citizen. I have had all the advantages that any other American citizen has had in my life time.

All this diversity training bullshit and "minorities are disadvantaged" crap is doing nothing but keeping us down. Everyone has the same opportunity to make something of themselves. "The Man" is not keeping most people down, its laziness and aversion to hard work. This goes for EVERYONE. Just like I hear non-whites screaming racism, I hear whites moaning and groaning all the time about how they didn't get the job because of some quota or how the Mexicans are taking all the jobs. Deep down, they all know its bullshit. No one OWES you anything. It has to be earned.

From experience, I can tell you that racism DOES exist, but there are ways around it. It doesn't have the power people claim it has.

The more they force this diversity training crap down people's throats, the more they enforce the actual stereotypes they are trying to overcome.

**Athena** · November 8th, 2007, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by swivel

Actually, this mystery has been solved. A female psychiatrist in the New England area did the brilliant research. What she found was shocking, but so logical the neatness of it was more convincing than the numbers.

Looking at men and women with the same job, same experience, and same region she found that the difference in pay could 100% be accounted for a very simple fact that popped up in her questionnaire, that nobody else had thought to ask: The men, on average, tended to ASK FOR MORE MONEY! Women, who are more timid, less prone to risk (testosterone-driven traits), were satisfied with initial offerings almost every time. Men, meanwhile, tried to maximize and took the risk to ask for more. Once this was accounted for, the .12 difference (or whatever it was then) disappeared!

I'm too lazy to find the study, but you owe it to yourself to track it down. The things you mention are reasons why the entire female populace make less, on average, than the entire male populace, but that is not the comparison that anyone should care about. It is the inequality of two equally-skilled people, with identical jobs, making different pay.

I saw this for myself when my wife took her latest job. I begged her to ask for more money, and she insisted that they didn't have anymore, and refused to ask for anything other than what was offered. Testosterone is to blame, and I bet you would find that bi-sexual women and gay women make more, for identical situations, than straight women.

I quoted reasons for over-all (the totality of men vs. the totality of women) wages because those stats are often cited by feminazis. You are absolutely correct, though, that when the occupations and skill-level match and wages are compared, negotiation is to blame.

You know what your wife should read? Getting to YES. You may be familiar. It's a reference book, but not a particularly dry read. It's my experience that women who are more familiar with the strategy and technique behind negotiation are more likely to try it. Natural tendency can be supplimented by education and practice, in this area.

My first job out of high school was as a purchasing agent for a sheet metal shop. I negotiated contracts on a few occasions. Asking for more money has never been an issue for me, thanks to that experience.

**Athena** · November 8th, 2007, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by Kathy

I just have to say this. Take it like you want.

The whole racial oppression thing is over-exaggerated. Sure, back in the day it existed, but we have come a long way from that.

I am a non-white person. Chicana to be exact, but I am 6th generation American Citizen. I have had all the advantages that any other American citizen has had in my life time.

All this diversity training bullshit and "minorities are disadvantaged" crap is doing nothing but keeping us down. Everyone has the same opportunity to make something of themselves. "The Man" is not keeping most people down, its laziness and aversion to hard work. This goes for EVERYONE. Just like I hear non-whites screaming racism, I hear whites moaning and groaning all the time about how they didn't get the job because of some quota or how the Mexicans are taking all the jobs. Deep down, they all know its bullshit. No one OWES you anything. It has to be earned.

From experience, I can tell you that racism DOES exist, but there are ways around it. It doesn't have the power people claim it has.

The more they force this diversity training crap down people's throats, the more they enforce the actual stereotypes they are trying to overcome.

Hear, hear!

Racism does exist and will always, on some level. But that's just one of myriad brands of discrimination. Midgets, old people, fat people, short men, cripples...There are tons of factions that deal with some pretty severe discrimination.

My grandma's a cripple. Not bad; one foot is crippled. Still, it happened when she was a kid. It causes her to walk strangely and wear two different sized shoes. When us kids were feeling put-upon or disadvantaged, the G-Unit would remind us that "there's always someone who started off worse than you did who is doing better than you are. No one got to where they are through self-pity."

Of course, us kids were almost inherently unconcerned with discrimination. Being Yugoslav on dad's side and Armenian on mom's, we heard stories growing up about REAL discrimination...a.k.a "genocide". As a result, I tend to think, "Okay, so, the taxi drove right past you to pick up a (insert favorable characteristic here) person. Unless some government is making a militarized effort to wipe your people off the planet, I don't want to fuckin' hear it." Some people need a little perspective, you know? :p

**CPL CHUD** · November 19th, 2007, 03:08 PM

Being racist, sexist, and making stereotypical assumptions just saves time.

**I am Legend** · November 23rd, 2007, 08:54 PM

either way, there is a mass influxof illegals coming in, and its due mainly to the north american union agenda.

personally, im all for it..........................................

latino chicas are HOT.

**Rotten Apple** · November 26th, 2007, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by I am Legend

latino chicas are HOT.

Why YES, yes we are. :glasses:

**kakihara** · November 26th, 2007, 10:46 AM

Nekkid pictures or I don't believe you.

**Rotten Apple** · November 26th, 2007, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by kakihara

Nekkid pictures or I don't believe you.

I'm afraid my nekkid body would make you not believe me even more.

Here is my nekkid head. Just pretend I look like Salma Hayak from the neck down. Or for that matter, the neck up too. Heh.

**kakihara** · November 26th, 2007, 12:59 PM

Oooo la la. You are a very prety woman Kathy. I still want to see the nekkids!:D

**swivel** · November 26th, 2007, 01:48 PM

Why does this site attract all the females? Is it me?

'Cause I'm gay, in case you ladies didn't know...

**Rotten Apple** · November 26th, 2007, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by swivel

Why does this site attract all the females?

It's the true crime on the front page. Mothers OUTRAGED at injustices.
It's changing the site though. Getting real PC all of a sudden.

Originally Posted by swivel

Is it me? 'Cause I'm gay, in case you ladies didn't know...

You're GAY? I'm deleting my profile...

Originally Posted by kakihara

I still want to see the nekkids!

What?!? Do you want to be GAY like swivel?

**swivel** · November 26th, 2007, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by Kathy

It's the true crime on the front page. Mothers OUTRAGED at injustices.
It's changing the site though. Getting real PC all of a sudden.

Goddamnit! Guess I need to go rape some more puppies, then.

Maybe it should say, somewhere on the front page, "Fuck Baby Jesus". Then we will have our edge back.

**Athena** · November 26th, 2007, 04:13 PM

Nice eyebrows, Kathy. Well-shaped, natural eyebrows are really underrated. It's a shame, too. That's what leads teenage girls to butcher theirs. Under-appreciation.

**Rotten Apple** · November 26th, 2007, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by Athena

Nice eyebrows, Kathy. Well-shaped, natural eyebrows are really underrated. It's a shame, too. That's what leads teenage girls to butcher theirs. Under-appreciation.

Yeah, I'm not one of those Chicana's that tweezes them all off and then draws them on in that "surprised" look.

Don't get me wrong. I totally WOULD. I just can't stand the pain. I'd need a morphine pump to do it.

**Rotten Apple** · November 26th, 2007, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by swivel

Goddamnit! Guess I need to go rape some more puppies, then.

Maybe it should say, somewhere on the front page, "Fuck Baby Jesus". Then we will have our edge back.

Well, now's your chance. The Rowan Ford thread has some people praying and looking to the Lord.

Sorry Athena, for hijacking your thread.

**Athena** · November 26th, 2007, 05:19 PM

Conversation's conversation, right? I've got no beef with the natural evolution of threads. :p

**ZombieBabe** · November 27th, 2007, 04:29 PM

http://cbs4denver.com/watercooler/lo...331081043.html

HAHAHA! Hooooooo.

Take THAT, Jena 6!

**Athena** · November 27th, 2007, 04:37 PM

That's hilarious. It's about time stories like this come out. Discriminatory "diversity" training is bad enough...But "white guilt" causing people to fail to stand up for themselves certainly isn't helping anything.

Homedude in the article was right - diversity ISN'T about hammering the white guy. It IS about treating everyone fairly.

**CPL CHUD** · November 27th, 2007, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by swivel

Goddamnit! Guess I need to go rape some more puppies, then.

Maybe it should say, somewhere on the front page, "Fuck Baby Jesus". Then we will have our edge back.

....or we can go back to pointing out what is obviously wrong with driving irresponsiblely resulting in innocent people dying. That'll bring the heat.

**Athena** · December 3rd, 2007, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by CPL CHUD

....or we can go back to pointing out what is obviously wrong with driving irresponsiblely resulting in innocent people dying. That'll bring the heat.

You got beef? 'Cuz we can take this outside, homie.

**Athena** · December 3rd, 2007, 05:22 PM

Report: Seattle's gifted program "elitist"
By Emily Heffter
Seattle Times education reporter

An outside review of gifted education in Seattle Public Schools said the district should act aggressively to diversify its program.

Almost three-quarters of the students enrolled in the Accelerated Progress Program (APP) are white, compared to about 40 percent districtwide.

Concerns about APP were noted by a group of consultants from the University of Virginia who were hired by the district to review the program. Their report was released today.

About 1,500 students in APP are admitted after testing in the 98th or 99th percentile nationally in cognitive ability and reading and math skills. They can spend almost their entire public-school experience together, starting at Lowell Elementary School, on to Washington Middle and finishing at Garfield High.

But according to the report, APP is perceived to be "elitist, exclusionary and even racist," and that some of its African-American students are bullied and isolated.

Administrators are committed to addressing issues of racial and socio-economic diversity, the report added.

The report also raised concern about student selection, saying admission to the program relies too much on a single test and is unfair to low-income students and students without parental support.

...........

Now, perhaps I'm taking this wrong, but it sounds like this report expects the Seattle Public School District to account for and attempt to mitigate the discrepancy created by minority families not actively trying for admittance into this type of program.

I could be totally wrong, of course - The Seattle Public School district could be led by the KKK for all I know. In fact, the Superintendent does look the part, now that I think about it...

Seriously, though...Just how much do we expect our Public Schools to do, while still expecting them to have the resources to teach? Unless this report is stating that the Seattle Public School District is actively preventing diversity, I see nothing wrong, here.

...Well, except for the lack of personal responsibility parents seem to take.