For The Love of All That Is Good...Don't Vote For Hillary!

[Athena]

...and this is why!

Politics aside, I haven't seen snake-tonguedness to this extent in quite some time. I swear, if this woman actually gets elected, it will be only moments afterward that her tenticles pop out and she starts blasting journalists with laser beams from her eyes.

...Okay, so perhaps that's a bit much. But seriously, folks - Is it too much to ask for a politician to give it to us straight? With Hillary, we can't even be sure what "it" is!

Kudos to the John Edwards camp for what is commonly being described as a "devastating" blow. No dirty politics here, either...She did it to herself. :p

[AnalBreeze]

I'll do my part, I won't be voting for Hillary!

[swivel]

I don't see any other way to get Republicans back on top other than voting for Hillary.

Bush Jr. has destroyed the Republican party, and vaulted the Democrats into power. We need someone on the Democratic side to do the same thing.

A vote for Hillary = A vote for old-fashioned conservatism (or really-old-fashioned-Liberalism)

[McVain]

I don't see any other way to get Republicans back on top other than voting for Hillary.

Bush Jr. has destroyed the Republican party, and vaulted the Democrats into power. We need someone on the Democratic side to do the same thing.

A vote for Hillary = A vote for old-fashioned conservatism (or really-old-fashioned-Liberalism)

I loled at this post, but sadly, it's true.

If I had to label myself a democrat or republican, I'd go with democrat. However, since I'm fairly sure that Hillary is going to when the democratic race, it looks like I might be voting republican next year.

[Athena]

Ron Paul is the only individual running who is worth a shit. Unfortunately, you have to be "in" with "The Establishment" to get any air time. Major news sources never give him any play. He had a brilliant performance on Leno the other night...nothing. But Obama is on SNL and it's front page news everywhere?

It's SOOOOOO frustrating.

The good news is, however, Ron Paul raised over $3.8 million in one day, yesterday. That's impressive and did get him a spot of publicity. There's hope yet...even if it's slight.

[Mr_Vindictive]

I'm still on the fence about Ron Paul. There are reports around that the man is a racist and I have no patience for someone like that. I like a few of his ideas but I guess it probably doesn't matter. It'll come down to Guliani and Hiliary.

[Athena]

I'm still on the fence about Ron Paul. There are reports around that the man is a racist and I have no patience for someone like that. I like a few of his ideas but I guess it probably doesn't matter. It'll come down to Guliani and Hiliary.

A racist?

*Sigh*...There's quite the campaign against Ron Paul because he's not part of the in crowd.

There's no evidence of racism on Ron Paul's part. Sure, there are a lot of blogs that claim that he said one thing or another, but they don't source any of Ron Paul's writings or any substantial news sources.

Some bloggers don't seem to realise that simply saying something doesn't make it true. Unfortunately, their readers tend not to realise this either, which is dangerous.

These same bloggers cite Paul's distaste for the heavy financial aid we give Israel as anti-semitism. What they don't seem to gather is that a distaste for the Israeli government does not equal a distaste for Jews.

Israel is the 12 wealthiest nation in the world. I don't agree that they should get financial aid from us, either. Does that make me racist, or economically prudent?

[swivel]

There's a kid here in Boone that spends every weekend standing on our busiest corner with a Ron Paul placard. I always honk at him and yell "RON PAULLLL!!!" out the window. He gives me a smile and a thumbs-up. I like to think it keeps him going.

Ron is by far my favorite candidate. I wish he were anti-gun and anti-drugs, but you have to live with the two major failings of Libertarians to get the rest of the goodies. I saw him on Real Time with Maher, and he was brilliant. He made Maher look like the ass that he is (A dickhead who can't be honest about being a Democrat and only PRETENDS to be a Libertarian because he smokes pot. Fucking moron.) When Ron started talking about privatizing the USPS I leaped out of my chair quicker than Tom Cruise on anti-depressants.

*Sigh*, but to no avail. If only we could get him in some debates that people would actually watch. If only MTV would sponsor him.

[Athena]

There's a kid here in Boone that spends every weekend standing on our busiest corner with a Ron Paul placard. I always honk at him and yell "RON PAULLLL!!!" out the window. He gives me a smile and a thumbs-up. I like to think it keeps him going.

Good for you and good for that kid. :D Personally, as much as I love standing on street corners for hours on end, donating money and going to meet-up events are my preferred volunteer efforts.

Ron is by far my favorite candidate. I wish he were anti-gun and anti-drugs, but you have to live with the two major failings of Libertarians to get the rest of the goodies.

You are such a strange cookie. One day, if you're feeling up to it, we'll have to discuss how it is you can be fond of Libertarian ideals but think that the government should regulate drug and gun use. I'm legitimately interested in the logic behind it. I mean, I'd gladly just sit and listen (read), even.

I saw him on Real Time with Maher, and he was brilliant. He made Maher look like the ass that he is (A dickhead who can't be honest about being a Democrat and only PRETENDS to be a Libertarian because he smokes pot. Fucking moron.) When Ron started talking about privatizing the USPS I leaped out of my chair quicker than Tom Cruise on anti-depressants.

LMAO...No kidding, huh? Our federal government should be a shell of what it's grown to be. It should be the exoskeleton that protects us from exterior threat, not the ventrical system that supplies us with every little thing. Central planning is dangerous and brought us the likes of Stalin, Hitler and Pol Pot.

Okay, so, maybe I'm getting a little ahead of myself. Still, I use private mail carriers anyway. The last two things shipped to be via USPS disappeared and they could offer me no answers. Fucking communists. :p

*Sigh*, but to no avail. If only we could get him in some debates that people would actually watch. If only MTV would sponsor him.

Well, his latest fundraising triumph has gotten him some very limited time in the spotlight. It's not near enough, but it's something.

It really is sad when you consider just how influential the media is in choosing candidates for us. Hopefully, the money Paul just gathered is enough to buy him some substantial ad campaigns in New Hampshire, South Carolina, Nevada, Iowa...You know, the earlier primary states. The major networks aren't going to do him any favors, so a healthy ad campaign is really his only hope. :(

[Mr_Vindictive]

So Paul is not anti-drug? What exactly is his stance on pot and such? I'm highly interested now.

[swivel]

So Paul is not anti-drug? What exactly is his stance on pot and such? I'm highly interested now.

I think he is personally anti-drug (doesn't use), but thinks that the gov. wastes too much money and manpower on regulating a victimless crime.

But hey, that could be last year's position. Around pres. election time, everyone's platforms change quicker than a 60's whore.

[Mr_Vindictive]

I've always wondered what it would be like to live in a country without drug regulation. I don't smoke now but I did previously. I would a few times a week before but am currently moving and switching jobs so I've quit for good now.

I have a feeling that even if the government did allow marijuana or other drugs, the employers would still do drug tests and eliminate employees who partake. Guess at that point the legalization would be pointless.

[kakihara]

This one is just for you babe.;)

A Japanese doctor says, "Medicine in my country is so advanced that we can take a kidney out of one man, put it in another, and have him out looking for work in six weeks." A German doctor says, "That is nothing. We can take a lung out of one person, put it in another, and have him out looking for work in four weeks." A British doctor says, "In my country medicine is so advanced we can take half a heart out of one person, put it in another, and have both of them out looking for work in two weeks." The American doctor, not to be outdone, interjected, "You guys are way behind. We are about to take a woman with no brains and half a heart, and send her to Washington where she will become President, and then half the country will be out looking for work in one week."

[Athena]

But hey, that could be last year's position. Around pres. election time, everyone's platforms change quicker than a 60's whore.

Not Ron Paul. That's what makes him so fantastic. His values and positions are well anchored. :D

[CPL CHUD]

Don't worry, I'm not voting for Hilary.

[Barbara]

I will not be voting for the crusty pantsuit

[kakihara]

Beer and the Wheel

The two most important events in all of history were the invention of beer and the invention of the wheel. The wheel was invented to get man to the beer. These were the foundation of modern civilization and together were the catalyst for the splitting of humanity into two distinct subgroups:

1. Liberals

2. Conservatives.

Once beer was discovered, it required grain and that was the beginning of agriculture. Neither the glass bottle nor aluminum can were invented yet, so while our early humans were sitting around waiting for them to be invented, they just stayed close to the brewery.

That's how villages were formed.

Some men spent their days tracking and killing animals to B-B-Q at night while they were drinking beer. This was the beginning of what is known as the Conservative movement.

Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting learned to live off the conservatives by showing up for the nightly B-B-Q's and doing the sewing, fetching, and hair dressing. This was the beginning of the Liberal movement.

Some of these liberal men eventually evolved into women. The rest became known as girlie-men or wussies. Some noteworthy liberal achievements include the domestication of cats, the invention of group therapy, group hugs, and the concept of voting to decide how to divide the meat and beer that conservatives provided.

Over the years Conservatives came to be symbolized by the largest, most powerful land animal on earth: the elephant.

Liberals are symbolized by the jackass.

A few modern liberals like Mexican light beer (with lime added), but most prefer a chilled glass of Sauvignon Blanc, with passion fruit and kiwi aromas which are marked by grassy notes, then rounded out on the midpalate by peach flavors crisp and refreshing, with a hint of chalky minerality on the finish; or Perrier bottled water. They eat raw fish but dislike beef. Sushi, tofu, and French food are standard liberal fare.

Another interesting evolutionary side note: most of their women have higher testosterone levels than their men. Most social workers, personal injury attorneys, Ivy League professors, journalists, dreamers in Hollywood and group therapists are liberals. Liberals invented the designated-hitter rule because it wasn't fair to make the pitcher also bat.

Conservatives drink Sam Adams, Harpoon IPA or Yuengling Lager. They eat red meat and still provide for their women. Conservatives are big-game hunters, rodeo cowboys, lumberjacks, construction workers, firemen, medical doctors, police officers, corporate executives, athletes, Marines, and generally anyone who works productively.

Conservatives who own companies hire other conservatives who want to work for a living.

Liberals produce little or nothing. They like to govern the producers and decide what to do with the production. Liberals believe Europeans are more enlightened than Americans. That is why most of the liberals remained in Europe when conservatives were coming to America. They crept in after the Wild West was tamed and created a business of trying to get more for nothing.

Here ends today's lesson in world history: It should be noted that a Liberal may have a momentary urge to angrily respond to the above before passing it along.

A Conservative will simply laugh and be so convinced of the absolute truth of this history that it will be passed along immediately to other true believers and to more liberals just to piss them off.

[SirStoneyOfBow]

Can I ask all the Americans... who's your presidential candidate for 2008?
It looks so complex from here(London).

[swivel]

Can I ask all the Americans... who's your presidential candidate for 2008?
It looks so complex from here(London).

We haven't chosen them yet. Yes, it is "them" or "they", not the singular that you suggest.

See, what we do is come up with multiple candidateS. They put them on these ballots, and then we choose which one we want. We do that almost a year from now.

What Iowa and New Hampshire are doing right now is choosing for the other 48 states which names we will see on those ballots. So, unless any of our members are from one of those two (very small) states, the rest of us don't know shit.

Our government is basically chosen by roughly 20% of the registered voters in two small states. And hey, perhaps that is the secret to our success? You guys don't even get to vote for your PM, do you? That's pretty cool.

[The Diabolical Mr. Lieman]

God, its such a fucking mess. WHo knows right now? Huckabee takes Iowa though? Holy shit. The man is a complete fucking moron.

[SirStoneyOfBow]

We haven't chosen them yet. Yes, it is "them" or "they", not the singular that you suggest.

See, what we do is come up with multiple candidateS. They put them on these ballots, and then we choose which one we want. We do that almost a year from now.

What Iowa and New Hampshire are doing right now is choosing for the other 48 states which names we will see on those ballots. So, unless any of our members are from one of those two (very small) states, the rest of us don't know shit.

Our government is basically chosen by roughly 20% of the registered voters in two small states. And hey, perhaps that is the secret to our success? You guys don't even get to vote for your PM, do you? That's pretty cool.

It's more or less chosen who'll go for the PM's position within the party themselves who they want to lead the party. Then you vote party rather than PM themselves.
I saw a clip of that show of Democrats all discussing the Iowa result and I loved how Hillary got out of her pram and attacked Obama's change in policies.
It made for good drama. We never see that shit here in then UK.
The Huckabee row was also entertaining.

[ZombieBabe]

God, its such a fucking mess. WHo knows right now? Huckabee takes Iowa though? Holy shit. The man is a complete fucking moron.

Here here! His ass-baggery is compounded by the fact that Chuck Norris the hypocrite is backing him.

Ref: http://messageboard.tuckermax.com/sh...ad.php?t=19124

(*disclaimer* Politics bores me to tears, but it is hard to miss such glaring and unapologetic social ignorance. Plus, his kids look like some deranged love child of Augustus Gloop and an oompa-loompa. Even though G.W. looks like a cock with ears, the Bushes all looked human at least.)

Behold!

[SirStoneyOfBow]

So, why is Huckabee so disliked?
And I noticed Chuck in the background during his speech. I wonder if all the internet lurking 20-somethings will vote for him because he's got Chuck!

[SirStoneyOfBow]

Here here! His ass-baggery is compounded by the fact that Chuck Norris the hypocrite is backing him.

Ref: http://messageboard.tuckermax.com/sh...ad.php?t=19124

(*disclaimer* Politics bores me to tears, but it is hard to miss such glaring and unapologetic social ignorance. Plus, his kids look like some deranged love child of Augustus Gloop and an oompa-loompa. Even though G.W. looks like a cock with ears, the Bushes all looked human at least.)

Behold!

My god, that could be the ugliest presidential family of all time. At least Bush's twins were easy on the eye.
That's fucking eye-cabbage to the maximum.

[ZombieBabe]

So, why is Huckabee so disliked?

I got this from Wikipedia, so you know it's not the most fair appraisal, but every time the man opens his mouth, some ignorant tidbit comes falling out of it.

• In a 1992 statement, Huckabee advocated isolating AIDS patients from the general population. In 2007, Huckabee no longer advocates such an isolation, but he stands by his earlier view, saying that in 1992 "there was still a great deal of, I think, uncertainty about just how widespread AIDS was, how it could be transmitted. So we know more now than we did in 1992, all of us do -- hopefully." However, by 1992 it was well known that HIV/AIDS could not be spread by casual contact. In the same statement, Huckabee also opposed increasing federal funding for HIV/AIDS research and suggested that Hollywood celebrities should provide additional funds instead. Huckabee now supports additional funding for HIV/AIDS research.
• In December 2007, Huckabee became the target of ridicule after his comments subsequent to the assassination of former Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto. In this comments, he used the death of the prime minister as an opportunity to lecture on his illegal immigration policy proclaiming that Pakistan has more illegal immigrants to the United States than any country but Mexico. However, INS data indicates that Pakistan is nowhere near the top of the list. Moreover, some have been puzzled at the connection between the death of the late prime minister and immigration policy.
• Over the years, Huckabee has made a number of public statements that have drawn criticism, including comparing his weight loss to the experience of a concentration camp, for which the National Jewish Democratic Council chastised Huckabee; his use of suicide as a joke about fundraising efforts by himself and his opponents in the Republican primaries, for which he was criticized by various suicide awareness groups; and his asking "Don't Mormons believe that Jesus and the devil are brothers?" when discussing Mitt Romney's religion. In all three cases, Huckabee and his campaign publicly apologized. Commenting on another incident comparing Arkansas journalists critical of his policies with disgraced reporters Jayson Blair and Janet Cooke, Huckabee said "You'll see it—one of the things that gets me in trouble is my love of metaphors. I use hyperbole in the course of trying to paint a word picture. I pay a dear price for it." Huckabee stirred controversy again in October 2007, likening abortion to a "holocaust". The non-partisan Anti-Defamation League called on Huckabee and all candidates to resist using such "disturbing and offensive language."

[swivel]

Anyone have the link of Hillary going after Obama subsequent to the Iowa results?

[Athena]

I'd say I get too worked up over this...But I think my level of concern is warranted.

On that note - I think I'm gonna be sick. Huckabee should NOT be garnering this much favor. :(

[SirStoneyOfBow]

I'd say I get too worked up over this...But I think my level of concern is warranted.

On that note - I think I'm gonna be sick. Huckabee should NOT be garnering this much favor. :(

I have to agree, as I read up on him and also noted that clipping where ZB noted a few "minor" things.
This guy could be worse for America than even Bush.

[ZombieBabe]

It just keeps getting worse:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/78241

[The Diabolical Mr. Lieman]

So, why is Huckabee so disliked?
And I noticed Chuck in the background during his speech. I wonder if all the internet lurking 20-somethings will vote for him because he's got Chuck!

Lol, probably so. The biggest thing he has going for him though, is the Christian right. I dont think even the GOP wants this douchebag around. Romneys a fucking Mormon (not moron, morMON), so he loses the religious fundamentalists right there, RG is viewed as too liberal, and his views on abortion are scoffed at by most republicans, and McCain wavered on his own party, and is viewed as too weak. Thompson just came in way too late, so...that leaves who? Ron Paul? Theres not a chance in hell he'll even sniff getting close.