Father, 14 years old, held as suspect in child abuse.

**SoUncool** · August 3rd, 2008, 09:45 AM

http://www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/251102

14-year-old father was arrested on suspicion of five counts of child abuse after his 7-week-old son suffered life-threatening injuries, police said.

The baby is hospitalized in critical but stable condition.

The infant had been at home, on South Sixth Avenue near Drexel Road, with his father and mother, also 14, Thursday when they realized something was wrong with their baby, police were told.

The parents called the Tucson Fire Department and the baby was taken to University Medical Center.

Hospital personnel determined the baby had multiple old and new fractures.

The hospital staff notified Child Protective Services and police were called. Just after midnight Friday TPD officers arrived at UMC and learned the baby had been in the immediate care of his father when the infant had become unresponsive, police said. The mother had been tending to household tasks, they were told.

The father initially denied any knowledge of the injuries, the police report stated. Both parents denied knowledge of any previous injuries or health concerns.

The police investigation revealed the father has improperly handled the infant, causing his injuries, police said.

The names of the victim and his parents were not released.

The father was booked into the Pima County Juvenile Court Center.

**Dakota Valkyrie** · August 3rd, 2008, 09:58 AM

FOURTEEN???

The baby was doomed from the start. Hope CPS takes baby from mom and dad... and mom and dad from grandma and grandpa. (I know, they may have been emancipated, but Holy cow! Someone let this mess happen and continue)

**Jaded** · August 3rd, 2008, 10:08 AM

My 14 year old is a great kid...but I wouldn't allow her to be solely responsible for a hamster, let alone a human being!

**ImmortalOne** · August 3rd, 2008, 12:03 PM

14 yrs old without intervention from the state... I guess times change. When I had my first daughter I had nurses coming to the house every other week to check on her and me. They would talk and demonstrate and basically teach. Maybe it is a difference in state or sign of the times.

My 15 yr old is great with her infant sister, however she at least knows that it is a lot of responsibility (recently swearing off having a boyfriend till next summer - I was thrilled to hear that). I know how hard it was to have a baby at 17, and helping to raise my own brothers from 12-17, but I cannot imagine being solely responsible.

If it was that he only improperly held the infant, perhaps it wasn't direct child abuse. One can hope it was just ignorance of how it all worked... *crosses fingers* Hopefully that baby is going to be okay and they are going to be getting help now.

**angrymom** · August 3rd, 2008, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by ImmortalOne

If it was that he only improperly held the infant, perhaps it wasn't direct child abuse.

I have never heard of babies getting broken bones from being improperly held, though.

What I want to know is where are these teens parents? I have 3 teenage girls and they are NEVER alone with a boy. They are not allowed to have boys in their rooms and if they date, they have a chaperone. My 17-year-old is pretty responsible, but I also wouldn't let my 13-year-old have sole responsiblity over a hamster. If you can't keep your own room clean and have to be reminded to put your glasses on, how can you take care of a baby? What ever happened to parents having control over their children? A child should not be allowed to determine whether or not they are old enough to have sex because they don't have the mental capacity to deal with a baby if they get pregnant. And they obviously don't have the mental capacity to think ahead - kids have the mentality that "it won't happen to me" or "but you can't get pregnant the first time" or "but he/she LOVES me". That's why they need their parents to guide them and set limits for them.

**Jodios** · August 3rd, 2008, 12:44 PM

The phrase "fourteen year old" should never be followed by the words mother or father. Under what circumstances did it seem like letting these kids procreate was a good idea?!?!

I hope the baby is o.k. and finds a safe home to grow and thrive.

**Deety** · August 3rd, 2008, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by angrymom

A child should not be allowed to determine whether or not they are old enough to have sex because they don't have the mental capacity to deal with a baby if they get pregnant.

Hahahaha... I'm sorry, were you under the impression that you can stop a determined teenager from having sex. Hahaha... No, seriously, that's funny.

As soon as they start sniffing around boys, get your daughters on birth control. And drill into their heads the idea that the first time only happens once. When I have teen girls, we will be going down for their Depo shots every three months the second they start looking at boys. I don't not want to be a grandma until my girls are old and married.

**angrymom** · August 3rd, 2008, 01:13 PM

My older 2 girls are on birth control, and I'm not saying that sex won't or can't happen. What I am saying is that there are parents out there that just don't care and leave the opportunity wide open. I would rather have some control and some idea of what my kids are doing than to just hand their lives over to them before they are old enough and responsible enough to make good informed decisions. I am not naive nor stupid - I was a teenager once. I know all the tricks to getting around strict parents. "Can I spend the night at Suzie's?" "Can Suzie and I go rollerskating?" Etc. But my children know how I feel, they know they are loved, and they know they can't get away with everything.

**Deety** · August 3rd, 2008, 01:50 PM

I'm glad to hear you're looking out for your girls. Too many parents think that as long as they don't let their kids think it's okay to have sex by getting them on birth control, they won't have sex. God forbid you teach them to act responsibly instead!

The best way to have some control over your teen's life is to actually be involved in their life. Can you stay the night at Suzie's? Sure, let me just call her parents...

**angrymom** · August 3rd, 2008, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by Deety

I'm glad to hear you're looking out for your girls. Too many parents think that as long as they don't let their kids think it's okay to have sex by getting them on birth control, they won't have sex. God forbid you teach them to act responsibly instead!

The best way to have some control over your teen's life is to actually be involved in their life. Can you stay the night at Suzie's? Sure, let me just call her parents...

Exactly. I get the feeling that many parents today are afraid to get involved or are just too lazy to bother. A lot of the abuse cases I have seen are neglect caused by pure laziness.

By the way, I am in no way saying that it is always the grandparents' faults for raising stupid lazy children. There are many times parents raise their children right, and once your child reaches adulthood you just have to hope and pray that they make good choices and live a good moral life. And that doesn't always happen no matter how good of a parent you were. But we all know that there are people out there who don't teach their children how to be good adults. There are parents out there who neglect and abuse their children and those children oftentimes grow up to be abusive neglectful parents themselves. And the parents/grandparents that make excuses for the abusive parent make me sick.

**Kitty** · August 3rd, 2008, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by SoUncool

http://www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/251102

I would like to nominate this for Understatement of the week..

And to a poster above-- I think perhaps that it is state by state with their involvement with underage parents... I had required parenting classes, home visits.. the works.. My mother and I also had to sign an agreement to finish all of these classes and required programs.. failure to do so within the proper time frame and my infant would have gone directly into foster care.. At the time I thought it was a load of crap.. as an adult looking back.. I think more areas should have similar requirements...

Gotta have a license to get married, own a dog, drive a car AND go fishing.. i think parenting is much more important and they let any asshat do it...

**Gilbrit** · August 3rd, 2008, 06:12 PM

14-year-old father was arrested on suspicion of five counts of child abuse after his 7-week-old son suffered life-threatening injuries, police said.

That isn't from holding a baby wrong.
Maybe the 14yo parents are re-inacting what they see from their own family. ICK!
The 7 week old should get a chance by being taken away.

**Unamused Cat** · August 11th, 2008, 03:24 PM

Araceli Jiron, 14, Ismael Robles, 14

I guess she has forgiven him for beating their son. http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ndid=217828972

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ndid=104645732

Angel's 14-year-old father, Ismael, has taken responsibility for his son's injuries, telling authorities that he shook the boy, hit his head on a car seat, squeezed him and pulled on his legs, court documents show.

http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:...lnk&cd=1&gl=us

**Dakota Valkyrie** · August 11th, 2008, 03:35 PM

From the link UCat gave:

In the seven weeks since his birth, Angel Robles had suffered two skull fractures, a brain hemorrhage, five broken ribs and two leg fractures. Some of the injuries were as recent as a week ago, some of them older.

Sad

**angrymom** · August 11th, 2008, 03:38 PM

Is this girl so desperate for love she'll take it anywhere she can get it? Makes my heart break for that girl because until she gets some balls, some brains and some self-respect, the abuse will never stop.

**Unamused Cat** · August 11th, 2008, 03:52 PM

Awww.... it was an accident.

We are surprised. We are very surprised. In my heart, I don't think he did it," said Vincent Jiron. (grandpa) At least not intentionally — the boy is husky and doesn't know his own strength, Jiron said.

**guntotin' liberal** · August 11th, 2008, 04:07 PM

We have custody of our 4 yo grandson and in desperate times we have thought about letting our angel of a 14 you son watch him for a few hours..... after reading this site the last time we considered this we ended up taking our grandson into work with us.
Fourteen year old boys are not wired to take care of babies. Period.

**Dakota Valkyrie** · December 25th, 2008, 09:44 AM

A 14-year-old Tucson boy accused of severely injuring his infant son will not be tried as an adult in the case.

Judge Jane Eikleberry decided that Ismael Robles should be tried as a juvenile.

The decision came after a series of hearings intended to provide details on the case itself and the boy's psychological history, educational background and past behavioral issues, if any.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...pdate1225.html