Yoinks! Greyhound passenger DECAPITATES seatmate in transit!

[Dark Star]

Athena I will try and keep in mind, if I ever see you get your ass beat, raped or stabbed. I will not help you for I know you aren't a bit fucking selfish like that.
LOL

[Gilbrit]

We as humans have two innate self preservation skills.
Fight or flight.
One skill is stronger than the other.
It makes a person who they are.
Not wrong or right but just is.
Now, add intellect combined with life experience and the fight or flight skill can change.
It is a subjective action.

[Dr. Salvador]

We as humans have two innate self preservations skills.
Fight or flight.
One skill is stronger than the other.
It makes a person who they are.
Not wrong or right but just is.
Now, add intellect combined with life experience and the fight or flight skill can change.
It is a subjective action.

great point (and one i made in the chat just a minute ago). its fight or flight, and the mentality of the people onboard was flight, due to their weakend DNA and defeatist attitude. hundreds of years of canadian breeding in action. the point is that this is a situation in which one doesnt really think, their bodies take over and do what they are genetically/socially programmed to do.

i still think if the guy had been a Pearl Jam fan, people would have risen up to help him.

[brokenandtwisted]

Now, add intellect combined with life experience and the fight or flight skill can change.

Exactly. Which is why I would not have helped him. Had it have been a single stab wound? Of course. No chance in Hell is he being helped after multiple wounds. Sorry buddy, you're fucked. :whip2:

[Dark Star]

Generally speaking, yeah. Everybody's good at something. I can't paint for the life of me, nor can I sing or speak another language fluently...But I can spit some solid logic. People don't liken me to Vulcans and Androids for no reason. :p



Well, pot'll do that for ya. It's cool. I don't mind agreeing to disagree one bit, and can only hope that you never needlessly impale yourself on the blade of a knife-wielding psycho. :heart:

Pot will do that to you....Okay Athena I've been kind, but now I must say.

I figured molestation, rape, being beat, watching both my parents die before I turned 19....I kinda figured those things made me fucking crazy.

Pot.....You made me fucking sad with that one, Athena. Really....low blow.

[brokenandtwisted]

Pot will do that to you....Okay Athena I've been kind, but now I must say Fuck off.

I figured molestation, rape, being beat, watching both my parents die before I turned 19....I kinda figured those things made me fucking crazy.

Pot.....You made me fucking sad with that one, Athena. Really....low blow.

She was questioning your rational world, not craziness.

I wouldn't bother arguing with her rationale. It's solid, not leaving, and you'll have to live with it...so, to save yourself a headache, don't argue.

And that's not to insult you Athena. It's just that this argument is hopeless and should end.

[Dr. Salvador]

Exactly. Which is why I would not have helped him. Had it have been a single stab wound? Of course. No chance in Hell is he being helped after multiple wounds. Sorry buddy, you're fucked. :whip2:

i think you are giving yourself too much credit, as if you have some vast degree of control over whether you attack a killer or not in the heat of the moment to save someone elses life. you wont know how you would react to that situation until you are in it.

pretend you would stand and debate internally the number and severity of the victims stab wounds and compare that to the immediate threat of your life and limb and only after assing all these facts in some coherent, logical way all you want, but in the actual moment it comes down to things you cannot control, its your instinct that takes over then. take all that,and the fact that you are a canadian female, and im sure noone here doubts that you would run away, rather that there would ever be a case in which you WOULDNT run away.

[Dark Star]

"Well, pot'll do that for ya. It's cool. I don't mind agreeing to disagree one bit, and can only hope that you never needlessly impale yourself on the blade of a knife-wielding psycho. "

Oh was that just a joke? hahahahhahahahah I am in stitches.

[brokenandtwisted]

i think you are giving yourself too much credit, as if you have some vast degree of control over whether you attack a killer or not in the heat of the moment to save someone elses life. you wont know how you would react to that situation until you are in it.

pretend you would stand and debate internally the number and severity of the victims stab wounds and compare that to the immediate threat of your life and limb and only after assing all these facts in some coherent, logical way all you want, but in the actual moment it comes down to things you cannot control, its your instinct that takes over then. take all that,and the fact that you are a canadian female, and im sure noone here doubts that you would run away, rather that there would ever be a case in which you WOULDNT run away.

No that isn't what I mean. If I cannot help someone (which I am assuming is what you're trying to do by attacking the attacker) why would I even bother when I would risk my own life in the process? That defies my logic and reason. It seems nonsensical...and that is firmly rooted in who I am.

Sure, if someone else (say YOU) jumped onto the killer as soon as the knife went in, I would help...because then there would not be a threat. Is someone beyond saving after a single stab wound to the neck? No, but it's unlikely he'd live but it's still worth a try. He was simply not worth saving. What are you "fighting" for? His life?

And your last comment was extremely sexist, and borderline racist. But thanks.

[Harley_Tech]

This thread, like the one about the guy killing the baby in CA, do have one thing in common. Those people who were there, saw the result on the craziness, cleaned it up and have first hand experience...the ones with the most knowledge of the situation...none of them blamed the witnesses.

In fact, in both cases, those people praised the witnesses for their actions, or at least felt compassion for the horror that those witnesses had to endure

It is similar to stories here, where family and friends show up and tell us all how we know nothing, and we are quick to point out that we will take LE's word over theirs. Unless of course there are more than one witness that didn't get themselves killed saving a corpse. Then it seems that those officials, on scene have no credibility with some here.

Sadly, one day we will get a message here about how either Hippie, or Pooh jumped into a situation that they had no hope of changing, and died as a result. We'll all be sad about it, talk about how we knew it would happen one day. We'll then be even more sad when some witness shows up to tells us how it was just so very senseless for them to fling themselves into a situation, that they had no hope of changing. They'll tell us how they tried to stop them, and could not. I know I'll shed tears that day, as will others.

I watched the video of the one witness describing the events to media and note two things that seem to have been missed here. The one guy noted that the knife was "A big long Rambo style knife" and he also noted that two grown men watching these events unfold were so shocked or repulsed that they both vomited.

Those tell me a couple of things. One, nobody carries a knife like that to use as a toothpick. Random? maybe, maybe not. At a minimum, this nut was looking for trouble in some form. Was he unstable? Maybe...maybe not. This kid may have been targeted. At any rate, if this nut was half as dedicated to task as Hippie claims she is, do you really think you would have stopped him? Really?

Second it tells me that the scene was far more grotesque than these two men could stomach. The other people were not seeing this because they were at the back of the bus per reports. I know I can't do much in the way of assisting while I'm puking, but maybe I'm just weird like that.

I just now walked in and measured two knives I own. One is a large kitchen knife, the other is a K-Bar (Marine corps issue knife). I'll say this without reservation. If I intend to kill you, and make first strike on you while you sleep using either of these knives, you will NOT survive it.

Another point that I feel is important. I have skinned and cleaned many animals for eating. When I remove a head, I use a hatchet simply because it is far to difficult to do using a knife. I'm no little guy and I keep all my knives (over 100) razor sharp. The amount of anger and rage needed to removed a head from a body is not something I want to face unarmed.

I'll tell you what I found sad about this story. The poor little dude that got killed by this nut bag....his own sister had not commented on his myspace for 18 months...till he got killed. I don't know why I find that so sad...but I do.

Hippie my Dear, the mindset that "I'm gonna try and help, consequences be damned" is not rational thought by any measure. Then again, passion, drive and determination to help at all costs is not about being rational.

I applaud your passion, willingness, and desire to help, but fear it will one day be your undoing.

R

[Dark Star]

Hippie my Dear, the mindset that "I'm gonna try and help, consequences be damned" is not rational thought by any measure. The again, passion, drive and determination to help at all costs is not about being rational.

I applaud your passion, willingness, and desire to help, but fear it will one day be your undoing.

R

Sorry I love you, Harley but I find it irrational that people would sit back and watch such horrors and not act.

I'd rather die than watch another die and know I did fucking nothing.


What if this was your son or daughter? Would you feel the same way?

[Harley_Tech]

Greyhound posted a pretty comment that was nothing but hot air. The comment gave a false sense of security.

Was it the comment that provided the "false sense of security" or is it the assumption that a bus company can somehow control every possible event?

The sense of security only becomes false if the company is aware of the possession of a weapon by a customer, and does nothing about it.

Was that the case here?

R

[Harley_Tech]

I'd rather die than watch another die and know I did fucking nothing.

Honey, you keep making irrational statements such as this, and you may find yourself in one of those hospitals you once worked in. I assure you, lesser statements have been used to argue involuntary commitment.

The statement goes against normal human function during an Amygdala response. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amygdala

Your statement is an expression of how you would FEEL after such an event, not a reflection of how you would react. The fight or flight response to such events is not something that the conscience mind has control over. It can be trained in that way, ala the U.S. navy seals and other highly conditioned worriers, but that is not a normal human reaction.

I submit that it also is not a healthy reaction, hence my fear for your safety in this area.

This, is my last post on the subject. I'll read your response, but have no reason to engage you further in debate on this subject. I've stated my beliefs and nothing short of overwhelming evidence that the Amygdala can be controlled by conscience thought is likely to change them.

R

[feisty76]

My co-worker was reading this story aloud to me in the office today and every single hair on my head stood on end. Even with all the stories that are posted here, this one is particularly chilling. I too am interested in the relationship (if one at all) between the decapitator and the beheaded. Was he stalking this particular person? Was too much drool coming out of this guy's mouth when he slept? Did the one guy forget to take his Lithium? My God.

[Dark Star]

Honey, you keep making irrational statements such as this, and you may find yourself in one of those hospitals you once worked in. I assure you, lesser statements have been used to argue involuntary commitment.


R

I am not the only one who feels this way Harley.....first Athena with the Pot, now you with the mental hospital....that statement was pretty irrational if you ask me.................

Okay so now I need to be in a mental hospital....OMFG.

Harley I've been in fight or flight situations.....weird, I've never taken flight. Commit me then for helping people.....that is just ate the fuck up. Geez maybe you all should start keeping records of my behavior....just in case you need to commit me.

[Harley_Tech]

first Athena with the Pot, now you with the mental hospital....that statement was pretty irrational if you ask me.................

Okay so now I need to be in a mental hospital....OMFG.

Harley I've been in fight or flight situations.....weird, I've never taken flight. Commit me then for helping people.....that is just ate the fuck up. Geez maybe you all should start keeping records of my behavior....just in case you need to commit me.

[Dark Star]

Quote Harley..."Honey, you keep making irrational statements such as this, and you may find yourself in one of those hospitals you once worked in. I assure you, lesser statements have been used to argue involuntary commitment."

Fool, you are the Drama Llama talking that mental health shit. LOL

[nurseronda]

I just wonder how many people had sat close to them that could have grabbed the hand he was using to kill this man because he had all his attention on the man he was killing. How many just walked right past them to get off the bus. This wasn't anything like the man who was beating his toddler to death. These people were in the same space.

[w8ng4msrgt]

I have been holding off on posting for a few pages. Athena's reply doesn't surprise me because she has said in other threads that she wouldn't confront someone stealing her stuff.

I probably would have grabbed the guy in a bear hug to keep him from stabbing me. I am just that way.

I have beaten the shit out of two guys for hitting a woman in a bar. I almost went to jail once for it until they found out the story.

I understand some people's need for flight and don't see a problem with it. As I have started to age I don't really want to pummel someone with my fists anymore. I just as soon shoot them so I don't hurt myself and they don't get released from prison.

[Dark Star]

I probably would have grabbed the guy in a bear hug to keep him from stabbing me. I am just that way.

Thank you my brother, thank you for saying that you would do something.

I was just thinking in my younger days....early 20's, I suppose, I might have been scared. With age, comes wisdom, and ass whippings, and hurts that you don't think will ever heal. I've been beat down, I am not bragging, nor proud to say I've been in fights. I regret it and try very hard not to engage in battles anymore. I would rather verbally assault someone. LOL

I was not trying to say all those people are pussy losers either. I just keep listening to the one young man's eyewitness account and it sickens me.

He says....and I am not quoting word for word here...."we heard this screaming and see this big guy picking up this other guy and stabbing him 40 or 50 times, like a robot over and over.....I ran to the front of the bus and told the driver....someone is getting stabbed back there.......the bus stopped and we got everyone off."

Now to me it sounds like plenty of time for people to have done something. That makes me nauseous to hear that video. People were watching this dude get stabbed to death before the bus even stopped and pulled over. Ten people couldn't have tackled this fuck?

Mr. Hip has kept with this story, as well as my older sister, and reprobate (from the site) and they all agree with me......their fight or flight would have said "FUCKING FIGHT". Not everyone is the same. Not everyone's chemical makeup is the same.

Thank god firefighters and coppers and soldiers don't all take flight in a crisis. Shit would be fucked up.

Peace

[nurseronda]

I have been holding off on posting for a few pages. Athena's reply doesn't surprise me because she has said in other threads that she wouldn't confront someone stealing her stuff.

I agree with her on this, stuff can be replaced, a life can not. That is why I would have tried to get this guy to stop, that way at least the family could have an open coffin or maybe see him in the hospital if the first wounds weren't fatal. As it is, they have to deal with the fact that their family member was killed in this brutal way.

[michelle]

After reading comment I missed after posting intro I have this to say"

I would help anyone, anytime, anywhere, if within my ability. I have stated that. MY problem. This story so differs from the baby being beatin on the side of the road.
This attack, entirely different. Dude stood up and stabbed the passenger repeatedly in chest, without notice. The baby story all where involved drove up on the situation, no real idea what was happening. BIG DIFFERENCE.

[Castille]

Firefighters, coppers and soldiers are all armed, equipped and trained. And even then, they're known to freeze up. I get what Harley is saying - academically we can all pretend we'd weigh the risk, do what we think is most rational, or most noble and just, but you just don't know how you're going to react until you're there.

I haveta say, the very idea of risking leaving my family and kids without me so that someone else can have a more lovely corpse is just... well, they'd be fair in delivering me some boots to the head (without the intervention of passerby,) if I thought that was a fair trade.

And man, I about cried when I saw that guy's myspace. It just ruined it. Fucking juggalos. This story really struck me in a sincere and serious way until that juggalo thing got interjected. Now I have trouble not giggling when I throw that tidbit in while relating the story to others, dammit!

[Castille]

Darn, I meant to add this link and ask if anyone else caught that bit about this big big guy being like 5'9". I got distracted by that juggalo thing.
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2...316716-cp.html

[Dark Star]

5'8" to 5'9".....holy fuck he was huge!!!!!!! OMFG now I see, my bad....yep there was no fucking use trying to stop this guy.

[Castille]

I guess it wasn't the snoring. Apparently Mr. Stabby passenger was feeling a bit peckish.
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news...14/detail.html

[Dark Star]

"Badger's at the back of the bus, hacking off pieces and eating it," an officer with the Royal Canadian Mounted Police said on the tape.


OMFG

I cannot imagine what this dead young man's family must be going through, shitfuckingfire.

[w8ng4msrgt]

[polis]

okay, greetings all.. i'm reading this...and it's turning into a bitch fest.

1. Both of you women, dislike the point of view one another has, and that's life, and you can complain

HOWEVER

2. Athena you don't have to act like a cunt and go with low blows to someone who hasn't done the same to you, it really shows how classy you are as a person.

3. If you cannot win an argument or support your stasis without being a cunt, then don't try to defend it because it only makes you look like an asshole that needs to be fucked.

ALSO
4. Harley you seem like a nice guy, but you don't need to tell anyone that she may end up in a psych ward simply because she rather not live with the guilt of the "What ifs" ... what if i didn't do something, what if i did this. This plagues many people in life.

5. You are adding to the drama by posting a picture that more than likely offended hippie because you did it solely to either inflame her feelings about how this thread is going, or a joke out of it, which is mocking her feelings.

You guys are old, and far be, supposedly far more wise than someone of my age, but seriously, stop acting like such assholes.

- hope to never be on a any bus with any of you.

<3 polis

[Shadow]

I know big people *can* be brought down. My question is, at what cost? By the time people realized what was happening, I'm willing to bet this man was dead. So, any attempt to stop this man wouldn't have just been unproductive, it would have been counter-productive.

i have to ask, did you have the same thought process of the people that tried to take down the hijackers of United 93? We lost a friend on that flight, but i can't help but feel that those who tried to stop the terrorists.. did the right thing. They are heroes in my mind.


i pray for you, that you're never in a situation where someone attacks you and people just flee because it's not their place to get involved because their life is worth more to them than possibly helping save yours.

~ceisdsgil

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