Magnota Copycat killer? Severed Body Parts Found

**witzah** · August 20th, 2012, 12:56 AM

Copycat killer? Severed body parts found in Canada weeks after 'Cannibal Killer' appears in court

Police and hikers make gruesome discovery of woman's head, two hands and foot in Ontario park

Two severed hands have been found in a river at a Canadian park where human body parts were found earlier this week.

The grisly find follows the discovery of a woman’s head and foot, with painted toenails, in the Credit River in Mississauga, Ontario.

Sgt Pete Brandwood said it was not clear if the left and right hands were from the same person, but it is common sense to assume so.

The grim discovery echoes the case of Chinese student Jun Lin, who was murdered and dismembered in Montreal.

Police said there is no reason to believe the new case is linked to Luka Magnotta, the Canadian porn actor who is charged with Lin’s murder.

Sgt Brandwood said: "It's a bizarre case.

“It's probably something we haven't heard about in Canada until Luka Magnotta showed up in our lives, and now all of a sudden a few months later we have our own case here.”

Sgt Brandwood said both hands were discovered downstream from the foot, one a short distance away and one considerably farther.

Two hikers found the foot in the river on Wednesday, triggering a police search that uncovered the head on the river bank on Thursday.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...-parts-1267094

**witzah** · August 20th, 2012, 01:08 AM

Police teams continue search for more body parts in Mississauga park

On Wednesday around 11:30 a.m., hikers in the park found a partially submerged foot in the river. Police confirmed it was a human right foot with bright yellow nail polish on the toes. The size indicated it did not belong to a child. On Thursday around 12:15 p.m., the police dive team found a severed human head about a kilometre north from where the foot was found. The body parts were found in the portion of the Credit River flowing through Hewick Meadows Park near Eglinton Ave. W. and Mississauga Rd.

“At this point, we are no closer to identifying the victim and there has been no further finds through our searches,” said Const. Tudos.

DNA tests are being conducted on the remains at the Centre for Forensic Sciences. A post-mortem is scheduled for this morning.

Homicide investigators are combing through all the missing persons cases in the region and neighbouring districts. Const. Tudos quashed earlier speculations that the body parts may have belonged to a missing 16-year-old Brampton girl. Mila Johnson was last seen on August 3, according to the Mississauga News. Police approached her family yesterday to ask if she may have been wearing yellow nail polish on her toes when she disappeared. This morning, however, Const. Tudos said there is no evidence to connect the two cases. They are treating Ms. Johnson’s case as a separate missing person investigation.

Const. Tudos also stressed that this case has absolutely no connection to the Luka Magnotta case in Montreal. Luka Magnotta, who was arrested on June 4, is accused of killing and dismembering Jun Lin, a Chinese international student, and then mailing the body parts to various Canadian government offices and schools.

“There is no evidence at all to indicate that there is any connection to that incident,” said the constable.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/08...sissauga-park/

**Whisper** · August 20th, 2012, 01:18 PM

this again is not far from me but isnt connected or a copy cat killing our bat shit crazy mutilating murders are just starting to catch up to the rest of the world
They announced this morning the body parts in the 2 or 3 cities they collected are from same person and thats it no connection to porno loser Magnotta

**Whisper** · August 20th, 2012, 01:23 PM

Body parts in Mississauga, Toronto likely from same victim

A severed head, a foot and two hands discovered in Mississauga, Ont., last week and human remains found in Toronto on the weekend, are likely from the same victim, police said Monday.

Police say they can't be 100 per cent certain, but there are "obvious similarities."

Forensic scientists will make the final determination but Peel Regional Police said Monday morning their investigators believe the gruesome discoveries in the nearby cities over the past week are from the same victim.

"It is fair to say that ... somehow parts of a person's body have been discovered in two different locations," said Const. Peter Brandwood.

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http://news.ca.msn.com/top-stories/b...om-same-victim

**VXIII** · August 20th, 2012, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by Whisper

this again is not from me but isnt connected or a copy cat killing our bat shit crazy mutilating murders are just starting to catch up to the rest of the world
They announced this morning the body parts in the 2 or 3 cities they collected are from same person and thats it no connection to porno loser Magnotta

Didnt you post about another case not long ago? Same thing?

**Whisper** · August 20th, 2012, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by VXIII

Didnt you post about another case not long ago? Same thing?

only other one I can recall is Luka Magnotta but Im wiped and cant remember my last name right now

**Obsolete** · August 20th, 2012, 05:56 PM

Fucking Dexter.

**CbabyRKO** · August 21st, 2012, 12:42 PM

whats in the water up there in Canada? body parts poppin up everywhere, ya'll got ya own Jason Vorhees or some shit. Ca-ray-zay !!!

**Dakota Valkyrie** · August 21st, 2012, 12:53 PM

Toronto-area police have identified the victim in an ongoing investigation into severed body parts found in Toronto and Mississauga, Ont. as Guang Hua Liu.

Peel Regional Police Insp. George Koekkoek confirmed that a severed human head, foot and two hands discovered in a Mississauga park belonged to the missing Toronto woman.

Liu, 41, was the owner of a now-defunct spa in Toronto’s east end. She was last seen by friends at the spa on Eglinton Avenue East near Kennedy Road on Friday, Aug. 10.

Koekkoek described Liu as a Canadian citizen of Chinese descent. She has one adult child and two younger children, which live with their father, Koekkoek said.
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Koekkoek said there are still “remains outstanding” at this point. He said police have no reason to believe there are more victims related to the case.

“While this remains a Peel investigation, and we are treating this as a homicide investigation, we continue to work with the full cooperation of the Toronto Police Service,” Koekkoek said.

CTV News has learned from a police source that the human remains found in Toronto’s east end on Saturday and Sunday consisted of two calves, an arm and a thigh.
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http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/police-ide...other-1.923139

**Whisper** · August 21st, 2012, 01:02 PM

80% of the crime in my city comes from Torontos Chinese and Vietnamese community up there
They come here and steal a car ,rob a bank then ditch said car on highway 401 where they left their car and drive back to Toronto,
Buy brand new homes and make them into grow ops,we have 4 murders unsolved because they are gone up to Toronto and living in the chinese and vietnamese communities up there
The Vietnamese and Chinese gangs are ruthless,this broad Ill bet crossed someone over her "spa" which is nothing but a happy ending house

**witzah** · August 21st, 2012, 06:30 PM

Liu, a Canadian citizen of Chinese descent, was a single mother of three.

Until recently, Liu was "the owner of a now-defunct spa" on Eglinton Avenue in Scarborough, Koekkoek said.

The spa that Liu operated was known as Forget Me Not.

Bachcha told CBC News that police were interested whether the cameras covered the exterior of the pharmacy.

They told him they were "doing some major investigations regarding that missing woman."

CBC News has also learned that a suitcase full of clothing found in Toronto on Monday is connected to the case.

The suitcase was found just two blocks from where some of Liu's remains were found.

She was described as being 5-1", weighing 108 pounds and having "thin eyebrows that are tattooed and long, straight auburn/brown hair."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toront...oyd-parts.html

**Whisper** · August 21st, 2012, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by witzah

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toront...oyd-parts.html

my brother lives on Englington Ave East up in Toronto

**witzah** · August 22nd, 2012, 11:48 PM

Did Guang Hua Liu meet her demise at the very business she worked so hard to open earlier this year?

That's what Peel Regional Police are trying to figure out as homicide detectives review surveillance videos from the Scarborough plaza where she owned a spa called Forget Me Not. It was the last place she was seen alive, according to investigators.

A source close to the case said this evening that detectives are using the surveillance footage to try to identify a person of interest in the murder probe.

Liu, a single mother of three whose body parts were found in the Credit River in south Streetsville and Scarborough last week, was planning to return to her native China this year, according to her Scarborough neighbours.

Liu, 41, was last seen by friends at the spa she ran on Eglinton Ave. in Scarborough, back on Aug. 10 and reported missing the next day.

Liu, who went by the name Heather, planned to sell the spa. Friends said the night she went missing, Liu was meeting a prospective buyer at the spa. She was never seen alive again. Investigators are still trying to confirm the details of that meeting.

She was the mother of an adult child, whom she lived with, and two younger children, who are living with their father.

Jong Soon Suh, the owner of a dry cleaning business located in the same building as the spa, says Liu was planning to leave Canada just months after opening the spa because her former husband had decided to return to China with the two children.

Pharmacist Imran Bachcha, who works next door to the former spa, said police have asked to review video recorded by on-site security cameras.

Peel Homicide Insp. George Koekkoek said police haven't determined a cause of death and said it's too early to determine whether this case might be linked to organized crime or her job at the spa, which was defunct prior to her disappearance.

The City of Toronto said it received and investigated complaints that the business was operating as an illegal body rub parlour. No charges were ever laid.

Until April, Liu worked at Asia Studios, a body rub parlour at Warden Ave. and Sheppard Ave. E. where she was licensed as a body rub practitioner since Sept. 7, 2010.

Bei-Bei Ni, Asia Studios’ owner, said Liu left to start her own business. She opened Forget Me Not in May and worked there as a body rubber and licenced holistic practitioner.

Koekkoek added today that he doesn't anticipate any public updates in the immediate future but added "these cases are always very fluid and dynamic and things can change very quickly."

Some of Liu's dismembered body has been found. So far, a foot, head, two hands, a thigh, an arm and calves have been discovered since last Wednesday. Koekkoek said there are further human remains out there.

Detectives believe the single mother of three was murdered.

"We're treating this as a homicide given the nature of what we've uncovered thus far," Koekkoek said.

Liu was a Canadian citizen of Chinese descent.

Her neighbours in Scarborough said she had a tenant and one son living in the unit with her.

She also had a boyfriend named Ken who reported her missing to police, a neighbour said.

Police are reviewing other surveillance footage from around the former spa and other locations.

http://www.mississauga.com/news/arti...e-murder-scene

**Abroad** · August 23rd, 2012, 01:45 PM

"We're treating this as a homicide given the nature of what we've uncovered thus far," Koekkoek said.

You think?

**Valasca** · August 23rd, 2012, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by Abroad

You think?

Well, she COULD have decapitated herself.
It could happen.

**Abroad** · August 23rd, 2012, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by Valasca

Well, she COULD have decapitated herself.
It could happen.

And then fallen into the macerator to be cut neatly into 15 pieces and been washed out into a convenient waterway nearby?

**Valasca** · August 23rd, 2012, 03:54 PM

It could happen.

**Abroad** · August 24th, 2012, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by Valasca

It could happen.

And pigs might fly ;-)

**Valasca** · August 24th, 2012, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by Abroad

And pigs might fly ;-)

Do I need to 'splain that I'm joking? No, right?

**Abroad** · August 24th, 2012, 04:09 PM

Indulge me. I've always wanted to use that gif ;-)

**witzah** · August 27th, 2012, 12:03 AM

Mary Ellen O’Toole, a retired FBI agent who specializes in behavioral analysis and has worked on several high-profile cases, is one of those “criminal profilers”.

The real-life Clarice Starling said she has seen several dismemberment cases in her time and said the unique way the body was dealt with can hold important clue about the person who committed the crime.

“Dismemberment is not real common in homicide cases. Based on similar cases I’ve seen like this, somebody would dismember a human for only a few reasons,” O’Toole said in her soft voice with a friendly Virginia accent.

“Cutting up a body makes it easier to transport. If the killer had to bring the body down in an apartment with stairs it would make it easier. Carrying a few smaller bags looks less suspicious than carrying one huge bag with a body in it,” she said, noting that in a large city like Toronto, a killer could be nervous about people taking note of something unusual like somebody lugging a body-sized bag.

O’Toole said that disposing of a body in pieces delays the recovery and identification process, allowing for more time to pass and perhaps weakening the link between the victim and the killer.

“Assuming the parts are dumped in different places, especially in water, there’s a good possibility not all of the body parts will be recovered, allowing for less evidence. Also, more time could pass until all the parts are found, allowing for more decomposition to occur which would wash away evidence and delay identification,” O’Toole said.

She said that it’s important that the killer could be trying to prevent identification of the victim, which could mean that the victim was someone he or she knew and didn’t want a link to be made.

O’Toole said she considers dismemberment very unique post-mortem behavior because of the huge amount of effort it takes. She said investigators will likely think that’s very significant because of the enormous amount of time and energy that it takes.

“It’s a long and gruesome process and someone would have had to have a location they could do this in, uninterrupted. It’s not a quick thing,” she said.

O’Toole said this could suggest the killing and dismemberment could have happened in an area that was in the killer’s comfort zone.

“It had to have happened somewhere where the killer had a certain amount of knowledge about the location. It likely happened somewhere that they thought, I can do this here and have every idea that won’t be interrupted,” she said, adding that if it happened in the spa Liu owned, or her home, it could mean the killer was someone she knew that was familiar with those places.

She also points out the gruesome fact that we’re assuming the victim was dismembered post-mortem. Medical examiners will be able to determine whether the dismemberment happened while Liu was already dead or still alive by looking at many factors such as the amount of hemorrhaging that happened and the wounds on the body.

“If they learn she was alive when this happened, that’s a whole new ball game. That’s a total different psychological profile of the killer,” she said.

O’Toole said investigators will likely be studying Liu’s victimology, meaning they’d be looking at all the factors that could have made her a victim of crime. She said from a profiling point of view, the investigator doing the assessment will likely look at the risk level of the victim, through categories of high risk or low risk,

“In the FBI we see someone as low risk if the person has a lifestyle that is not involved in any activities, hobbies, or employment that would expose them to danger,” she said, explaining high risk is the opposite and evaluating risk gives an idea of the number of people that could victimize the person.

O’Toole said the fact that Liu was working at a rub and tug massage parlour could have put her in contact with people who were involved with high risk behavior, heightening her own risk of danger.

http://vancouver.24hrs.ca/News/natio.../20140546.html

**JGo555** · August 27th, 2012, 08:45 AM

As angry as you are (and I understand because they are fucking shit up for everyone), she's stilla victim Whisp.

And if she DID cross someone, let's hope that it was because she was being and doing what was right.

**Dakota Valkyrie** · August 27th, 2012, 03:26 PM

A Toronto man has been charged with second-degree murder in the dismemberment slaying of Hua Guang Liu.

Chunqi Jiang, 40, of Scarborough was arrested yesterday and appeared in Brampton court this morning.

Jiang is a construction labourer who police described as the victim’s “estranged ex-boyfriend.”

“He became a suspect early on,” Peel Regional Police Insp. George Koekkoek told a noon-hour news conference.

Jiang is a Canadian citizen who emigrated from China in 2002 – the same year as Liu – and had no police record.

He was remanded in custody until his next court appearance on Sept. 10.
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Jiang and Liu had been in a relationship for about four years, police said.

“I can’t say the exact date when they broke up,” Koekkoek said, but described them as having previously been “boyfriend and girlfriend.”

Police are still trying to determine where and how Liu died.

Koekkoek declined to give details about how and where in Toronto Jiang was arrested or whether police will be able to recover the remaining body parts.

The investigation, he said, “is my no means complete.”
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Refugee documents obtained by the Star show Liu may have fled her home country of China after violating the country's strict birth control policies. She may have also used the services of a loan shark to finance her move to Canada.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/crim...-hua-guang-liu