Kitten found encased in concrete. Warning to Isaac Wyler to keep quiet?

**Marv** · July 10th, 2012, 05:43 PM

A man who found a kitten encased in concrete at his home fears it was sent as a threat from a polygamist Mormon sect.

The tiny cat was discovered alive but audibly in pain, inside a tube in the back yard of Isaac Wyler, a former member of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

Andrew Chatwin, who has also abandoned the FLDS, claimed it was intended as a warning to Mr Wyler to stop speaking out against the church.

The FLDS achieved notoriety when its leader Warren Jeffs was sentenced to life in prison last year for sexually assaulting two underage girls he had 'married'.

Mr Chatwin, who left the church in 1999 and has since criticised its polygamist beliefs, told Right This Minute that FLDS members frequently left dead animals on Mr Wyler's property.

In the latest case, six weeks ago, a cat was found buried up to its neck in concrete in a metal tube being used to construct a shade for horses in Mr Wyler's yard in Colorado City, Arizona.

It was mewling incessantly and appeared to be struggling to escape in a video filmed by Mr Chatwin and a friend and later posted to YouTube.

They took down the pipe and cut off the metal, leaving just a lump of concrete with the kitten's head sticking out.

They then took a hammer to the concrete and hacked it off, but had to leave lumps still sticking to the fur of the terrified animal.

Mr Chatwin handed the cat over to a local rescue charity, but sadly it died a few days later.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...st_read_module

**Valasca** · July 10th, 2012, 05:44 PM

ohmyfuckinggod!
GIVE me the asshole. And some cement.

**Obsolete** · July 10th, 2012, 05:46 PM

I bet the cat accidentelly fell in the tube while the cement was still wet from the construction and this guy is trying to get media attention by claiming it was a threat.

**Krystal** · July 10th, 2012, 06:11 PM

Polygamist Moroms encase kittens in cement? It almost has a mob flair to it, like the horse's head in the bed. Didn't think Moroms rolled that way.

**Dakota Valkyrie** · July 10th, 2012, 06:47 PM

**Wolf_of_Mars** · July 10th, 2012, 08:49 PM

Well, you wouldn't expect any kind of Mormon to be child abusers, either. The polygamists are some kind of crazy SOB's, and I wouldn't put it past them for an instant.

**Tundratot** · July 10th, 2012, 09:44 PM

Holy pissants, Batman! Take their dicks and encase them in cement!

**LadyCygnet** · July 10th, 2012, 11:05 PM

Poor sweet kitten. I'll bet the shock was just too much.

**ibutterflyaway** · July 11th, 2012, 12:34 AM

Mormon here - *please* do NOT refer to the FLDS as Mormons. They are NOT Mormon. They do not follow the Law of the Land. Yes, Polygamy was a part of our religion for many years. My own Great Grandfather had 14 wives (not all at the same time). Once Polygamy was outlawed in America, we no longer practiced it. The LDS (Latter Day Saints) follow the Law of the Land. We do not make our own laws to suit our selfish desires. The FLDS are in no way related to the real LDS. They are nuts and yes - molest children, practice incest, and toss out the young men so there's less competition. They also suck the resources w/ food stamps and welfare and all that. Real, modern day LDS do not do that. It's tradition the women don't work but I do - I have to. We love and respect our families and those in our community. If you don't like us, fine. I promise I won't leave any dead animals on your lawn. Thanks for letting me vent. That poor little kitty. Only an ass would do that so ya, it's FLDS!!

**startheory** · July 11th, 2012, 01:06 AM

This makes my blood boil! Why involve animals in your hate for someone? That poor kitty :( RIP sweetie <3

**TKaz** · July 11th, 2012, 02:56 AM

Seems weird they'd tape it & post it to youtube before calling for help. Well, I assume before calling for help.
Honestly, my first thought was to put the poor kitty out of it's misery. :(

**Dakota Valkyrie** · July 11th, 2012, 05:28 AM

Originally Posted by TKaz

Seems weird they'd tape it & post it to youtube before calling for help.(

It does. As I watched the video, I was struck by how "compassionless" the guy seemed. It was like he was far more interested in documenting things than helping the kitten. It set off my hinky meter.

**karebu72** · July 11th, 2012, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by Krystal

Polygamist Moroms encase kittens in cement? It almost has a mob flair to it, like the horse's head in the bed. Didn't think Moroms rolled that way.

They aren't actually Mormons, they just call themselves Mormons due to a typo error. Somebody with fat fingers accidentally typed a "m" between r & o

**mysticviewer** · July 11th, 2012, 06:54 PM

Originally Posted by Dakota Valkyrie

It does. As I watched the video, I was struck by how "compassionless" the guy seemed. It was like he was far more interested in documenting things than helping the kitten. It set off my hinky meter.

Hinky.... sounds like a lot of "our" desensitized youth. Compassion takes a back seat to youtube or TV, for a lot of people. I hope that that guy watched himself on the tube and "sees" it as I do.

**Castille** · July 12th, 2012, 12:16 AM

Originally Posted by TKaz

Seems weird they'd tape it & post it to youtube before calling for help. Well, I assume before calling for help.
Honestly, my first thought was to put the poor kitty out of it's misery. :(

Who are you going to call for help exactly, and what do you think they're going to do? Part of this story is that the local authorities are all FLDS. And even if they weren't, I can't imagine them doing any more to free this kitten than these guys.

And Hinky? I mean hell, they had to have spent hours working to free this kitten - not to mention all the work undone and needing redone on that shelter support. No one works at back breaking labor in the hot sun while listening to a kitten die on a lark. To be dead honest, I couldn't have gone on listening to that when it looked so clearly hopeless and I'd have filled the steel tube with water to drown it quickly to put it out of it's misery in the fastest, most humane way I could come up with. I really can't fault their humanity for being far more optimistic and hopeful than I.

And no, I don't think that kitten could have possibly fallen down inside that steel support accidentally. It was clearly deliberate - although the wet cement at the bottom may have been an unexpected addition.

**Castille** · July 12th, 2012, 12:30 AM

Originally Posted by ibutterflyaway

Mormon here - *please* do NOT refer to the FLDS as Mormons. They are NOT Mormon. They do not follow the Law of the Land. Yes, Polygamy was a part of our religion for many years. My own Great Grandfather had 14 wives (not all at the same time). Once Polygamy was outlawed in America, we no longer practiced it. The LDS (Latter Day Saints) follow the Law of the Land. We do not make our own laws to suit our selfish desires. The FLDS are in no way related to the real LDS. They are nuts and yes - molest children, practice incest, and toss out the young men so there's less competition. They also suck the resources w/ food stamps and welfare and all that. Real, modern day LDS do not do that. It's tradition the women don't work but I do - I have to. We love and respect our families and those in our community. If you don't like us, fine. I promise I won't leave any dead animals on your lawn. Thanks for letting me vent. That poor little kitty. Only an ass would do that so ya, it's FLDS!!

And oh yeah... You don't get to declare someone not Mormon because you don't like how they roll any more than my orthodox Jewish friend can declare someone not Jewish because they're Reformed. You are rightly entitled to emphasize that they are not members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints though, and that conflating the two is offensive. But they're as entitled to their Book of Mormon keeping, Angel Moroni believing, magical underwear wearing Mormonism as any LDS member is.

**Obsolete** · July 12th, 2012, 11:25 AM

And no, I don't think that kitten could have possibly fallen down inside that steel support accidentally. It was clearly deliberate - although the wet cement at the bottom may have been an unexpected addition.

Why not? Cats climb all over everything, and an open tube filled with wet cement is an accident waiting to happen. We used to have cats fall in our well all the time, it was actually pretty gross.

How is it so "clearly deliberate"?

If it was deliberate, my guess would be the landowner did it himself so he could blame FLDS.

**Dakota Valkyrie** · July 12th, 2012, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by Obsolete

Why not? Cats climb all over everything, and an open tube filled with wet cement is an accident waiting to happen. We used to have cats fall in our well all the time, it was actually pretty gross.

How is it so "clearly deliberate"?

If it was deliberate, my guess would be the landowner did it himself so he could blame FLDS.

I have no clue which way it may have been but I'm leaning towards an accident. Things that make me go "Hmmm...."

The fact that kittens are often in the news for getting rescued from wells, drains, holes, and other tight spots that no one can figure out how they got into makes me know it's possible that it was an accident.

Another thing is how would the "evildoer" know that the kitten would be discovered? What if the kitten had totally sunk and not been half-covered? Or not sunk at all? What if its meows were not heard? When people are trying to "send a message" to someone, they usually do something very obvious so that their intended victim gets the message. "Kill the cat and put it on the doorstep" seems a much surer thing than dropping it down one of many posts being set in a construction area and hope it survives and hope someone hears it.

**ibutterflyaway** · July 12th, 2012, 01:01 PM

Castille - thanks for that.... I don't know much about the Jewish religion but I thought it was also a nationality? If the mothers are Jewish, so are the kids? Or if they're actually born in Isreal? I can see if you're not biologically Jewish but were baptized into it (I don't know how they do it - I'm sorry) but then changed your mind and renounced it you wouldn't be Jewish anymore. But if you're BORN Jewish there's no way you can't be. Those FLDS are not Mormon. They are nutcases. Just because they read the Book of Mormon and wear magic underpants doesn't make them Mormon. They are their own crazy community that says they base their lives on the LDS original belief system but they've twisted it and demonized it to the point that they're nothing to us. If we had this conversation live, which I would LOVE - nobody to talk to here up in the sticks - I would be able to make a lot more sense. I really appreciate your input and if I'm wrong I'll stand up and say so. I don't think you can just call yourself a certain religion anymore when you've gone so far off base that you're your own grandpa now. FLDS are not Mormon. That's my story and I'm sticking to it =) Poor kitty!

Ok I kinda found an example. My dad went to University of Utah. He's a Ute. He graduated and supported his school w/ the Alumni Association. I also love U of U but I never attended. I'm not a Ute as much as I'd like to call myself one. I just know/am related to someone who is one. I'm not in the club but I could be if I actually joined (enrolled in that school). If my dad had dropped out instead of graduating he would "used to be a Ute" (that was a bad sentence) but he's not one anymore. The term Mormon is in relation to the actual, real LDS church. It's a nickname for members. The FLDS are no longer members. They quit or got kicked out of the church. They are no longer Mormon. Man I really wish I could have an intelligent conversation in real life w/ someone other than my DH. People up here are lame =(

**Kindly One** · July 12th, 2012, 07:10 PM

I dunno. I'm with Castille on this. FLDS are to LDS as those ultra-orthodox Jews that harass little girls are to my bra-less, married to a shegetz, grass-smoking, lobster-guzzling, Mondale-supporting next door neighbour growing up. Both Jewish, but worlds apart.

The FLDS ARE Mormons - that term was used to describe the original followers of Joseph Smith, not just the LDS after 1890. And frankly, when you read the early history of Mormonism, the FLDS are rather closer to Brigham Young's religion than the current LDS.

As for how you become Jewish, a friend of mine was asked that while he was a Peace Corps volunteer, by a student who was confused by the hordes of Christian missionaries swarming his country. His answer? You have to be chosen.

PS Also, because I am a finicky person, I have to disagree with you one more time. You say "Once Polygamy was outlawed in America, we no longer practiced it." Not true. The early Mormon church carried on practising polygamy for 28 years after it was made clearly and definitively illegal by Congress.

**Castille** · July 14th, 2012, 12:28 AM

Originally Posted by Obsolete

Why not? Cats climb all over everything, and an open tube filled with wet cement is an accident waiting to happen. We used to have cats fall in our well all the time, it was actually pretty gross.

How is it so "clearly deliberate"?

If it was deliberate, my guess would be the landowner did it himself so he could blame FLDS.

Watching the video, they were hollow steel tubes standing more than 6ft tall with the cement poured down in the base with no surrounding structure on which to climb over them - the short one we see that they dig up is after they've already sawed through it and cut it down. Unless you're suggesting the kitten scaled a steel tube. Which I find unlikely. We can debate about whether the resident did it himself, but let's move on from cloud prancing kittens, yeah?

**Castille** · July 14th, 2012, 12:37 AM

Originally Posted by Dakota Valkyrie

I have no clue which way it may have been but I'm leaning towards an accident. Things that make me go "Hmmm...."

The fact that kittens are often in the news for getting rescued from wells, drains, holes, and other tight spots that no one can figure out how they got into makes me know it's possible that it was an accident.

Another thing is how would the "evildoer" know that the kitten would be discovered? What if the kitten had totally sunk and not been half-covered? Or not sunk at all? What if its meows were not heard? When people are trying to "send a message" to someone, they usually do something very obvious so that their intended victim gets the message. "Kill the cat and put it on the doorstep" seems a much surer thing than dropping it down one of many posts being set in a construction area and hope it survives and hope someone hears it.

I assume you'd hear it crying when you go back out the next day to work on your structure some more. It seems mighty inconvenient to try to get a kitten back out a steel pillar anyhow. If it doesn't? Well, kittens are plentiful out there I assume. And I gathered this was one a string of dead cat incidents. So one assumes whoever is responsible, may not plan ahead, but makes it up as they go along and kills two birds with one stone - reduces feral cat population *and* annoys the neighbor. It doesn't have to be the FLDS. Prolly his psycho ex girlfriend or something.

**Castille** · July 14th, 2012, 12:50 AM

ibutterfkyaway - I guess my point is, the LDS church doesn't own Mormonism exclusively any more then say, the Catholic church owns the whole of Christianity anymore, or the Baptists hold title to Evangelism. LDS may not agree with how FLDS practice Mormonism (that's what we call a schism,) but they're limited to ejecting them from their own churches, not reclaiming all shared religious beliefs. And there's where you end up with more than one sect of practicing Mormons. See Catholic Church - The Reformation ;-)

**ibutterflyaway** · July 14th, 2012, 05:57 PM

Thanks so much for the conversation and explanations/opinions. I know we didn't stop polygamy immediately but we did stop. I think that's when the "law of the land" stuff really came in to play. I'll go ahead and give up my argument that they're not Mormon. I hate to think they're in any way related/connected to us anymore. I'm still learning too. I don't have my magic underpants yet so maybe I should buckle down a little and learn more about my own religion. Thanks dd friends =)