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    Plus-Sized Coed Outraged Bar Barred Her From Platform Dancing

    A pretty, "plus-sized" coed is accusing an Iowa bar of discrimination after she said the bouncers wouldn't let her dance on a platform because she was too fat.

    Jordan Ramos, 21, told ABC News she is furious at the Union Bar in Iowa City and accused the saloon's minders of acting like pigs during two separate visits.

    The University of Iowa student said she first tried to dance with some pals on a raised platform at the bar during a girl's night out on March 3, but was told the area was two crammed.

    After waiting a few minutes for the grooving crowd to thin out a bit, Ramos said she tried to climb up again, but was denied by the bouncers.

    "The bouncer said, 'Look, you will never get up on this platform. Go back to the dance floor where you belong,'" Ramos told ABC News.

    The shapely brunette claims she was then kicked out of the club after trying to complain to the manager.

    Ramos said she went back to the bar on April 14 with a crew of her slightly slimmer pals.

    Once again, she said, her friends were allowed to hop up on the platform, but she was told to stay put.

    "(The bouncer) said, 'You're not pretty enough and you're pregnant,'" she told ABC News.

    "I said, 'I can tell you with 100% certainty that I am not pregnant.' He then looked at my stomach and said, 'You obviously are.'"

    "It was their way of calling me fat without having to actually say it," she added.
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    Ramos tried to get civil rights activists in Iowa City to investigate the incident, but was told she didn't have a case because there's no law against size discrimination.

    "We all paid the same cover to get into the Union, but we're not given access to all the same things they have to offer," she told the Register. "I feel like it is their job to provide everybody a great time, especially if everybody pays the same price."
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    “It made me start questioning myself and thinking, ‘Are my friends so much better than me?’ I know they’re thinner, but those bouncers made them seem more valuable,” she said.

    Ramos said she tried contacting bar management more than a month ago about the situation, but hasn’t received a response.

    Union owner George Wittgraf declined to comment other than to say that he wasn’t familiar with the situation and wouldn’t condone that behavior by his employees.

    Linda Stewart Kroon, director of the Women’s Resource and Action Center, said she was disappointed when Ramos told her what happened, though she wasn’t surprised.

    “I’ve heard similar stories before,” she said. “The pressures on young women are enormous. It isn’t always as obvious as stories like this, but things like body image are a constant conversation among young women.”
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    All I'm saying is...If you are going to be pictured for an article with "angry face", shouldn't you ditch the sleeveless shirt and do yourself up? Her hair is all over the place and she looks like she just rolled out of bed. I love the angry mob standing behind her.
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    I'm all about fat acceptance, but deal with it, bitch!
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    I don't blame her for feeling bad about it, but it's a private establishment which means they have the right to refuse service for any reason. I'm just surprised they decided to let her in at all, since she didn't pass their stringent standards and appeared pregnant. Now they should give her money back. (They should probably also give the money back to any of the girls they do allow to platform dance, since they're bringing in customers.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tundratot View Post
    I don't blame her for feeling bad about it, but it's a private establishment which means they have the right to refuse service for any reason. I'm just surprised they decided to let her in at all, since she didn't pass their stringent standards and appeared pregnant. Now they should give her money back. (They should probably also give the money back to any of the girls they do allow to platform dance, since they're bringing in customers.)
    That's not true, a private establishment doesn't really have the right to refuse service to anyone they choose. There are certain classes of people who are federally protected against discrimination in a business e.g. homosexuals, bible thumpers, etc. The Federal Civil Rights Act guarantees all people the right to "full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin."

    For the people who aren't federally protected, the establishment can only refuse service to someone if they can show they had a legitimate cause in doing so.

    I can understand this girl being pissed off but she's laying it on a little thick with the whole "woe is me" act.

    “It made me start questioning myself and thinking, ‘Are my friends so much better than me?’ I know they’re thinner, but those bouncers made them seem more valuable,” she said.
    This statement reminds me of the guys that are involved in fender benders and show up to court in a neck brace and wheelchair complaining of neck and back pain.
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    A couple of train of thoughts here.... 1) The platform is a VIP dancefloor of sorts... Let's go try to get past the velvet ropes at another club and throw hissy fits when we don't. Fat or Fugly, whichever you may be, you aren't getting past.

    2) How High, or stable is this platform? Were they worried about under guesstimating chunky and all of the other dancers weight wise and having something come crashing down, and to allow her on would be to deny even more people until she decided to move along?

    3) the Platform is a draw for customers. Girls come to dance on it and be noticed, boys come to notice the girls dancing. And the bouncer made a decision that she doesn't cut the mustard. Again, he probably doesn't let total uggos on either.
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    2) How High, or stable is this platform? Were they worried about under guesstimating chunky and all of the other dancers weight wise and having something come crashing down, and to allow her on would be to deny even more people until she decided to move along?
    I seriously doubt her weight exceeded the combined weight of the crowd that was up there before she tried to get on the second time. It isn't like she's 400 lbs, she isn't taking up much more room than anyone else up there, she maybe takes up the room of two skinny girls, so fucking what?
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    I just can't drum up much sympathy for this girl. I too, have had comments made by guys for being a little more plus sized... granted, I'm a little more Mae West and less Jabba the Hutt. I just considered the source and moved on.

    Edited to add: Additionally I'd like to add that if I were up on a platform dancing, I'd better be getting paid for it. This much hotness isn't free.
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    @Obsolete I understand what you are saying. However, clubs have routinely refused admittance to anybody who meet their doorman's standards of cool, chic, fame, or riches. What confuses me is that this particular club let her in at all. Maybe like @sanityslipping suggests, it was really only the platforms that they screened customers for.

    Jordan could try, in the absence of legal recourse, staging a boycott of the Union. She might get the support of a substantial number of the coeds at the university. Then again, she might not. It would be another blow to her ego to find that the majority of students are not willing to fight for her right to flaunt herself on the platform.
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    @Obsolete I understand what you are saying. However, clubs have routinely refused admittance to anybody who meet their doorman's standards of cool, chic, fame, or riches. What confuses me is that this particular club let her in at all. Maybe like @sanityslipping suggests, it was really only the platforms that they screened customers for.
    You're right, they do refuse admittance but they don't actually have the "right" to do it and if someone complained the establishment would face a lawsuit if they weren't able to show cause.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obsolete View Post
    You're right, they do refuse admittance but they don't actually have the "right" to do it and if someone complained the establishment would face a lawsuit if they weren't able to show cause.
    Maybe they were afraid other guest would storm the stage to get close to her, destabilizing the platform
    It was done in the name of safety

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    In cases in which the patron is not a member of a federally protected class, the question generally turns on whether the business's refusal of service was arbitrary, or whether the business had a specific interest in refusing service. For example, in a recent case, a California court decided that a motorcycle club had no discrimination claim against a sports bar that had denied members admission to the bar because they refused to remove their "colors," or patches, which signified club membership. The court held that the refusal of service was not based on the club members' unconventional dress, but was to protect a legitimate business interest in preventing fights between rival club members.

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    If she were trying to dance on a pole, I would see the issue. Damn pole can't hold that much junk. A platform, that is a whole 'nother story. But if she ventured down to Los Angeles, she will find that the platform dancing would be the least of her obstacles. We are talking Vanity City people.
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    Maybe she is just a really crappy dancer.
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    It's the bar's own fault. They never should have let her back in after that corduroy thigh-fire while dancing incident last winter...

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    The owner of the Union Bar in Iowa City on Monday denounced any discrimination that may have occurred there amid plans by a group of University of Iowa students to protest at the bar.

    Union owner George Wittgraf said he wants to apologize to UI student Jordan Ramos, who says she was discriminated against by bar staff because of her size.

    “If something was said to Miss Ramos, I am truly sorry. I would like to apologize for that,” Wittgraf said.
    [...]

    Wittgraf said he met with employees over the weekend to discuss the matter and that it “has never been our policy” to prohibit people from certain areas of the bar based on their size or appearance.

    “We’re trying to figure this out,” Wittgraf said. “Nobody would admit to it, obviously. ... But we had a big meeting to make sure that we’re not disrespectful. We can’t be mean to people. It’s bad business.”

    Ramos said Monday she has heard from employees at the bar who said they are now allowing anyone to dance on the platform.

    However, Ramos said she’ll keep speaking out until she hears the report confirmed by a manager or in writing.

    “It’s a step in the right direction, but I don’t know if I can believe that,” she said. “They should publicly apologize to every single person they’ve done this to and admit that they do discriminate. ... I want it in writing, that every paying customer will be allowed in this establishment and allowed up on the platform and on the dance floor.”

    The protest is scheduled to start at 9 p.m. Friday outside the Union Bar.

    Ramos acknowledged that although the business may not be acting illegally, all customers should be accepted regardless of their appearance.

    “I’m not condoning obesity. That was never my intention,” Ramos said. “I just want equal rights for everybody. I don’t think anybody’s size should impact the way they are treated.”

    Austin Fall, 24, of Coralville, said he witnessed the discrimination firsthand when he worked as a bouncer at the bar two-and-a-half years ago.

    Fall said he only worked at the bar for about a month before leaving because of a payroll dispute.

    However, during his short time there, Fall said he was told by owners to “keep the fat and ugly girls away from the stage, the (platform), and especially the DJ.”

    Others who worked there told Fall, “We usually let girls dance on the bar if they’re skinny, but if they’re fat, we just don’t want that image,” he said.

    He estimated that over the course of one month, he said he probably told about 20 “heavy-set” girls that they couldn’t dance on the platform or the bar.

    “I’m ashamed of it, and I’ll admit to the public that I did it,” he said. “I’m not excusing the discriminative protocol. I want people to know what really goes on there.”

    Fall also said employees were encouraged to watch black patrons more closely, and that men were not allowed to dance on the platform.
    [...]

    Ramos said she’s not taking legal action, as some stories have implied, but she would like to start a conversation about issues surrounding size discrimination.

    “It is just about awareness and advocating to be treated the same way as everybody else,” she said. “There’s a deeper message that discrimination is still here. I think we should be getting people to talk about size discrimination and working toward acceptance.”
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    So, now anybody can dance on the bar? Including men?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tundratot View Post
    So, now anybody can dance on the bar? Including men?
    In theory, yes...


    I suspect the dance platforms will be gone. Some folks (myself included) just shouldn't do that in public.
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    She isn't that pretty and she is more than plus sized. How can she really be offended? Hasn't she seen Knocked Up?

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    I wasn't just kidding when I said that maybe she is a bad dancer.

    Raq is far from petite, but has been belly dancing for 10+ years.
    The last time we went out for Moroccan, she was invited to get up and dance with the troop's hot guy (gay as a 3 dollar bill).
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    ya know back in the day i used to work at a club that had platforms. they ended up removing them because people kept getting trashed, climbing up, trying to dance, then falling off and breaking something (like an arm or leg). i'm suprised that bars still let customers (and not paid 'promoters') dance on them. who knew?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dakota Valkyrie View Post
    In theory, yes...


    I suspect the dance platforms will be gone. Some folks (myself included) just shouldn't do that in public.
    No matter what the booze brain is telling you.
    I was going to go for the heavily reinforced option, but then I realized the next logical additon would be a cherry-picker. I can't see them going to that expense, although they could reinvent themselves as a Dance/Comedy Club.

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    Listen. Dancing on the platform comes with rules. One of those rules is fatties stay the eff off.

    I've been the skinny bitch on the platform dancing.

    I am now the not-so-skinny bitch who KNOWS that no one wants to see her dancing on the platform.

    But lemme tell you... when I drop this extra 50 pounds and hit my goal weight... I WILL be shaking my skinnier booty on that platform like no one's bizzness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMeaningOfItAll View Post
    All I'm saying is...If you are going to be pictured for an article with "angry face", shouldn't you ditch the sleeveless shirt and do yourself up? Her hair is all over the place and she looks like she just rolled out of bed. I love the angry mob standing behind her.
    Maybe this is is her done up self?

    I don't know, on one hand I feel for her but the other hand there are unspoken rules. I did some platform dancing in college, fun to cut loose but I was also encouraged to. Guess my then hotness didn't realize my then hotness.
    Don't think you could pay me to do it now. More like a hotmess then hotness. Well, get me drunk and pay me, maybe. Just saying I admire her confidence and self acceptance but, I can see the establishments point of view. Just because she can dance on a platform doesn't mean she should. Like morningstar said, maybe she's a crappy dancer.
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    Are we moving toward some sort of 'Fat Acceptance Movement'? Obese people should be actively persecuted and frowned upon (save for disease). It is extremely unhealthy to be her size - I am estimating she is at least 230 pounds with a BMI of 32 at minimum. She is not appealing by societal standards, meaning she won't bring in revenue for the club. I cannot blame them for not wanting her.

    But in her defence it's Iowa, not Montreal. So she can dance her ugly, obese ass off all she wants. No one cares.

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    Societal standards are anorexia these days, BT. Not healthy either.

    I've danced up on the platforms and I've never been small. It wasn't about trying to look hot, it's about being drunk off your ass and having a good time with your friends.
    Don't give me that shit about "safety issues", those platforms are built to hold a lot weight and one chubbo is not going to bring it crashing down.

    If you hate fat chicks, just hate and be done with it. I much prefer that to the thinly veiled bullshit these days. Not gonna stop ME from going out and having a damn good time.
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    An Iowa City bar that drew national attention this week after a local student said she was told she was too overweight to dance on the stage has been ordered to tear down the platform.

    Iowa City Housing and Inspection Services Department officials said Wednesday a formal violation order has been sent to The Union Bar, 131 E. College St., demanding that the 4-foot square and 4-foot tall platform be removed by Friday.

    “We have gone out, we have inspected and we have instructed the owners of the bar that they have to dismantle that stage,” Code Enforcement Assistant Jann Ream said. “None of it met code.”

    Ream said the platform, which does not have a railing, was not a violation for reasons of structural integrity, but rather it raised safety concerns.

    “It just wasn’t safe,” Ream said. “The fear of someone falling off of it was the concern, not that it was going to collapse.”
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    The Union Bar’s most recent inspection took place in July 2011, and it is suspected the platform was constructed some time after that, Ream said.
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    What started as a complaint about discriminatory business practices at the Union Bar in downtown Iowa City transformed into a movement combating size discrimination.

    About 30 demonstrators — ranging in body size, male to female and students to professionals — gathered Friday on the pedestrian mall to raise awareness about size discrimination.

    The protest was organized by University of Iowa student Jordan Ramos, who gained national attention after making it public that a bouncer at the Union Bar told her she couldn’t dance on the bar’s platform because of her weight.

    Ramos said the direction of the protest changed after Union Bar owner George Wittgraf apologized and the platform was ordered to be torn down by the the Iowa City Housing and Inspection Services department for not meeting building code requirements.

    Ramos said she wants to shift the attention away from what happened to her at the bar and onto the bigger issue of size discrimination.

    “The goal is just to show people how many people are standing behind me and are also agreeing that size discrimination is an issue worth addressing and just getting people to talk about it,” Ramos said.

    She said that because size discrimination is controversial and not protected by law, it is not talked about like racism, sexism and other forms of discrimination.

    “I’m hoping that this awareness event will kind of just get the dialogue started and hopefully spark inspiration into other people, maybe in other communities, to also get people in their area talking about it,” Ramos said.
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    Ramos said that although she has received some support and positive feedback about her story, the majority of the feedback has been negative.

    She said some people misinterpreted her story and thought she was trying to promote obesity, which she is not. She said she is trying to raise awareness about discrimination based on size.

    “We are all humans and we all deserve to be treated equally and nobody should be denied access or the right to do things because of their outward appearance,” Ramos said.
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    Well, I hope she feels better that now because she whined and cried... NO ONE can have fun. So I guess that is equality. GOOD JOB!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by HeatherHabilatory View Post
    Well, I hope she feels better that now because she whined and cried... NO ONE can have fun. So I guess that is equality. GOOD JOB!!!
    Yep. ...and she'll be a real celebrity there now, I bet.

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