How very dare Neha Afreen be born a girl.

[Marv]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahome...born-girl.html

For about a week, she tried hard to hold on and fight hard. But allegedly brutalised by her father for being born a girl, she stood little chance.

Baby Neha Afreen died after a cardiac arrest in a government hospital in Bangalore on Wednesday morning.

The three-month-old baby was admitted to the Vani Vilas Hospital on Thursday night, April 5, with a severe head injury, dislocated neck and bite and burn marks on her body.

Her father Umar Farooq, a car painter, is accused of inflicting the injuries on her because he wanted a male child.

Though Afreen had showed signs of recovery on Tuesday, her condition deteriorated by evening because of repeated convulsions.
[...]

The baby's mother, 19-year-old Reshma Banu, was inconsolable when the doctors broke the news to her. Afreen was her only child and she had been in a state of shock since Thursday.

Reshma claims that her 37-year-old drunkard husband used to beat her up since Afreen was born.

Last Thursday, he came home drunk in the evening and abused her again for giving birth to a girl.

When Reshma went off to sleep, Farooq is accused of stuffing clothes into Afreen's mouth to muffle her cries and hitting her with a blunt object.

Reshma, who woke up in the middle of the night, saw the baby suffering convulsions.

She informed her husband, who appeared uninterested. When the baby vomited blood, Farooq fled.

With the help of her neighbours, Reshma hospitalised Afreen. It's alleged Farooq had assaulted the child twice in the past but Reshma did not complain because she wanted to save the marriage.

Once, he had bitten the baby. On another occasion, Reshma found cigarette burn marks on her forehead and back.

Reshma was initially afraid of approaching the police. The hospital authorities informed the Child Welfare Committee, which prevailed upon her to lodge a complaint against her husband.

Farooq, who went absconding after the alleged assault of his own daughter, was arrested on Sunday and is now in judicial custody till April 21. He will now face murder charges.
[...]

The Karnataka state commission for protection of child rights demanded that Afreen's death be treated as a murder case because the attack on the baby was intentional.

The state human rights commission has sent a notice to Bangalore city police commissioner B. G. Jyothi Prakash Mirji to personally oversee the case and report in two weeks.

National Commission for Protection of Child Rights chairperson Shantha Sinha demanded speedy action against the father.

Killing of the female foetus and the girl child is rampant in India where even the educated and the rich are known to prefer male child.

According to the 2011 Census report, the sex ratio in India stands at 914 females per 1,000 males.

Neha Afreen


Mother Reshma Bano

[CbabyRKO]

Don't these idiots realize you can't have boys without having girls. I mean fucking ay, I get that they want heirs but you can't go on killing all the girls coz what the fuck ya gonna do when your wife finally has a boy and all your neighbors killed off all their daughters? Yea, hope you don't mind a gay son. Assholes!

[JGo555]

Why not chop the "popping girls out" problem at the root? CHOP OFF YOUR FUCKING NUTS THAT SENT THE BEST SPERM YOUR RIDICULOUS DRUNKEN ALCOHOLIC ASS to her womb!

Ask around in China about how they don't want girls & one day they're gonna get screwed because they'll be no women in China & then they'll have to mix with *gasp* Western women because we're the only ones keeping the girls!

[Angels Mom]

Shit...seeing her photos were too much to handle.

I'da fuckin' killed him. I would proudly do time in prison for killing him.

Edit: I just re-read it again, she didn't report the initial abuse because she wanted to save the marriage? Fuck that!! OK, now I want to beat her as well.

[Cassy]

Shit...seeing her photos were too much to handle.

I'da fuckin' killed him. I would proudly do time in prison for killing him.

Edit: I just re-read it again, she didn't report the initial abuse because she wanted to save the marriage? Fuck that!! OK, now I want to beat her as well.

She was a teenager married and impregnated by a man old enough to be her father in a culture that forces women to marry abusers, including their rapists, punishes women for having girls, and burns women alive. Even if she had left, chances are she would have been shipped back to him for more of the same, then possibly killed because she embarrassed him by leaving, or he would have been able to keep the baby anyway.

There really are no alternatives for many of these women.

[Angels Mom]

She was a teenager married and impregnated by a man old enough to be her father in a culture that forces women to marry abusers, including their rapists, punishes women for having girls, and burns women alive. Even if she had left, chances are she would have been shipped back to him for more of the same, then possibly killed because she embarrassed him by leaving, or he would have been able to keep the baby anyway.

There really are no alternatives for many of these women.

I know the culture quite well actually and that doesn't change the way that I feel.

With the help of her neighbours, Reshma hospitalised Afreen. It's alleged Farooq had assaulted the child twice in the past but Reshma did not complain because she wanted to save the marriage.

Had the article stated that she was afraid then my response would have been different. It states that she said she wanted to save her marriage so to that comment I stick with "fuck that".

I believe that what you allow yourself to take is your business but once it involves children that's it becomes an issue.

[melissa222]

I understand they have a way different culture, but when i read she wanted to save the marriage, yeah i had some really horrible thoughts about her, and if it were my only child and i had no reason to live (stay out of prison) yeah the bastard would have been dead and they could burn me for all the fuck i would care... it is sad how backwards these cultures are even these days, but I truly feel motherly insticts to protect should be universal.

[gee]

I know the culture quite well actually and that doesn't change the way that I feel.



Had the article stated that she was afraid then my response would have been different. It states that she said she wanted to save her marriage so to that comment I stick with "fuck that".

I believe that what you allow yourself to take is your business but once it involves children that's it becomes an issue.

That is a little rough considering she doesn't live here in the states. She is not afforded the same justices women are here.
If she choose to stand up to her piece of shit husband she would be punished and tortured. I am not sure what options she has considering the culture and how they feel about women in general. I don't think the article needs to state she was scared safe to assume that.

[TKaz]

Is it really STILL not common knowledge that the male's sperm chooses gender?? I understand there is uneducation on these matters all over the world but I really thought THIS one was a commonly known.

Men beat their wives in the US for stupid reasons too, I'm not insinuating the man wouldn't have been abusive if he understood xx/xy chromosomes...

[Countess Olenska]

Nothing pisses me off more than a man thinking the value of his life is more than any female. That shit will never and has never flown with me. It's also the reason I probably won't go to any country where my rights are meaningless because I own a vagina. I would find it impossible to let man speak for me when I'm perfectly capable.

As for this bastard, All I can think is, "Your ass wouldn't be here without one, Fucker."

[Cassy]

I know the culture quite well actually and that doesn't change the way that I feel.



Had the article stated that she was afraid then my response would have been different.

The article does state that, "Reshma was initially afraid of approaching the police. The hospital authorities informed the Child Welfare Committee, which prevailed upon her to lodge a complaint against her husband"

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahome...#ixzz1rqT4FfWX

[Angels Mom]

That is a little rough considering she doesn't live here in the states. She is not afforded the same justices women are here.
If she choose to stand up to her piece of shit husband she would be punished and tortured. I am not sure what options she has considering the culture and how they feel about women in general. I don't think the article needs to state she was scared safe to assume that.

I understand what you are saying Gee and I respect your opinion, I am of the opinion that if you have children then you must do everything, including die, to protect them. If she had more children in the home then I would be a bit softer on it.

Please don't misunderstand me, it is her husbands fault that this child is dead and I don't know what mental shackles she was under that may have paralyzed her with fear but she didn't state that fear. She stated that she wanted to save her marriage which to me means that leaving (though maybe not divorce) may have been an option and in the back of her mind. She did not state fear as a reason.

I have lost a child and the pain is indescribable, so she is suffering dearly. Hell, she may in fact wish that she were dead so I'm not trying to take away from that. I'm saying that she had an option like we all do and like many of us who make decisions that we will later regret, I believe that she made the wrong one.

[Angels Mom]

The article does state that, "Reshma was initially afraid of approaching the police. The hospital authorities informed the Child Welfare Committee, which prevailed upon her to lodge a complaint against her husband"

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahome...#ixzz1rqT4FfWX

I've read the whole article and it does not change my opinion.

With the help of her neighbours, Reshma hospitalised Afreen. It's alleged Farooq had assaulted the child twice in the past but Reshma did not complain because she wanted to save the marriage.

Once, he had bitten the baby. On another occasion, Reshma found cigarette burn marks on her forehead and back.

That speaks volumes to me and that's where I take issue. This was a painful lesson for the mother to learn and I pray that there is never a next time, but if there is, that she makes a different decision.

[princessgrandma]

What a freaking asshole. I mean, come on. It was HIS fault the baby was a girl. He wasn't shooting the boy cartridges.

[koochie]

her tiny pinky on the tube-

[Tundratot]

Reshma was initially afraid of approaching the police. The hospital authorities informed the Child Welfare Committee, which prevailed upon her to lodge a complaint against her husband.

The Karnataka state commission for protection of child rights demanded that Afreen's death be treated as a murder case because the attack on the baby was intentional.

The state human rights commission has sent a notice to Bangalore city police commissioner B. G. Jyothi Prakash Mirji to personally oversee the case and report in two weeks.

National Commission for Protection of Child Rights chairperson Shantha Sinha demanded speedy action against the father.

All of the above convinces me that prosecution of a man (or maybe a parent) for killing a child is by no means a matter of course. Justice for these children and girls has to be demanded by agencies outside the police force and court systems. Incredible!

[AngelFire]

OMG Seeing mom holding her baby was too much. I can't for the life me forma sentence that doesn't call for his balls to be chopped off. My heart breaks for the mom, I wish there was something that could heal her wounds. But nothing exist in this world that can cure that bleeding heart.

[Countess Olenska]

I understand what you are saying Gee and I respect your opinion, I am of the opinion that if you have children then you must do everything, including die, to protect them. If she had more children in the home then I would be a bit softer on it.

Please don't misunderstand me, it is her husbands fault that this child is dead and I don't know what mental shackles she was under that may have paralyzed her with fear but she didn't state that fear. She stated that she wanted to save her marriage which to me means that leaving (though maybe not divorce) may have been an option and in the back of her mind. She did not state fear as a reason.

I have lost a child and the pain is indescribable, so she is suffering dearly. Hell, she may in fact wish that she were dead so I'm not trying to take away from that. I'm saying that she had an option like we all do and like many of us who make decisions that we will later regret, I believe that she made the wrong one.

If she was forced out of her home they would keep her child from her because the man is traditionally the legal owner. Or some shit. Indian families often keep their male children at home, while the females are urged to marry as children to much older men or men with men with multiple wives. They have no rights.

I recommend you watch the documentary, "Pink Saris" which shows, in detail, that these women are often beaten, raped, and burned to death for disobeying their husbands or husbands family.



The untouchables are often treated as filth or trash and disgarded as such. It pisses me the fuck off. PISSES me off.

[Countess Olenska]

Better video.

[Angels Mom]

If she was forced out of her home they would keep her child from her because the man is traditionally the legal owner. Or some shit. Indian families often keep their male children at home, while the females are urged to marry as children to much older men or men with men with multiple wives. They have no rights.

I recommend you watch the documentary, "Pink Saris" which shows, in detail, that these women are often beaten, raped, and burned to death for disobeying their husbands or husbands family.



The untouchables are often treated as filth or trash and disgarded as such. It pisses me the fuck off. PISSES me off.

Is no one reading what I am saying? I am responding to the statement that was made by her. I understand (well I can't truly understand since it's not my culture) what their situations are since I live and grew up with the largest Arab population outside of the Middle East and have many friends in the community and have discussed at LENGTH what they had to deal with at home, why they are here and why many cannot go back. One of my good friends in college can't go back to Sudan because she refused to have her clitoris removed so I am not ignorant to the facts and my opinion still stands.

You can try to dog pile on me or post every book and documentary and my opinion will still stand that she had an option. YES, DEATH (if necessary) IS AN OPTION. I have faced death and I would gladly do it again for my children. Fear is some paralyzing stuff but when it comes to your children you must do what is best for them by any means necessary...even if that includes giving your life.

So let me get your (not you specifically but anyone who wants to keep this going) comments out of the way for you.

"You ain't shit". "You're a bitch", "You're cold hearted", "You're an asshole", "You don't deserve children", "I hope your uterus falls out", etc. Does that cover it or did I miss some?

[Nell]

I get you @Angels Mom. You are saying that her culture or whatever doesn't give her a free pass to look the other way when she sees cigarette burns on her baby. I agree with you. Now everyone can dog pile on me. She eventually got the neighbors to help her get to the hospital. Why did she wait till the kid was near dead to do that?

[Obsolete]

I know the culture quite well actually and that doesn't change the way that I feel.

Had the article stated that she was afraid then my response would have been different. It states that she said she wanted to save her marriage so to that comment I stick with "fuck that".

From Cassy:

The article does state that, "Reshma was initially afraid of approaching the police. The hospital authorities informed the Child Welfare Committee, which prevailed upon her to lodge a complaint against her husband"

From you:

I've read the whole article and it does not change my opinion.

*scratches head*

Despite your confusing contradictions, I agree that she should have fought harder to protect her child.

[Northernspark]

Think everyone in this thread has made a valid point. Women in this culture are basically sold on. Happens all over the world, not saying it's right, just the way it is. I don't think MuM could have run away with the baby, and her best chance of keeping baby in her life was to stay in the marriage, best chance to keep an eye on her baby, they would have placed her with dad regardless, pretty disgusted with the whole situation, glad I was born in the UK :/

[Silvahalo]

As per the 2011 Census report, the sex ratio in India, known for its male preference, stands at 914 females per 1,000 males.

Gender discrimination is rampant in the country. According to a United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA) report, although a marginal increase in general sex ratio at the national level was observed between 1981 and 2001, the child sex ratio continued to decline over five decades.

A Unicef report said that foetal sex determination and sex selective abortion by unethical medical professionals has today grown into a INR 1,000 crore industry ($244 million).

I agree with what has been said, the why's the what if's and the culture differences, things I don't entirely understand, hard to wrap my mind around. I cannot fully condemn this woman but I do question that at some point, even knowing she could be killed, why did she not kill the fucker where he stood.
That's my opionion from a far off point of view in life, safe in my country and home.
IN her shoes, don't know, cannot know entirely what she went through and why she made the decisions she did. Her baby is dead... my god that picture above breaks me, can't fully appreciate what that mother was feeling as she held her dead baby.
At the end, it is Neha Afreen my heart bleeds for.
She had no choice but to die by the hands of her own father.
Rest in peace baby Neha Afreen. . . in the arms of an angel.

[Tundratot]

It occurs to me that the mother, Reshma Bano, could probably have run off with her daughter in complete safety. He hated the baby because she was a girl. If she disappeared, he'd probably be relieved. Not sure he'd even care if his wife disappeared. It would have been worth the try IMO.

[Countess Olenska]

Is no one reading what I am saying? I am responding to the statement that was made by her. I understand (well I can't truly understand since it's not my culture) what their situations are since I live and grew up with the largest Arab population outside of the Middle East and have many friends in the community and have discussed at LENGTH what they had to deal with at home, why they are here and why many cannot go back. One of my good friends in college can't go back to Sudan because she refused to have her clitoris removed so I am not ignorant to the facts and my opinion still stands.

You can try to dog pile on me or post every book and documentary and my opinion will still stand that she had an option. YES, DEATH (if necessary) IS AN OPTION. I have faced death and I would gladly do it again for my children. Fear is some paralyzing stuff but when it comes to your children you must do what is best for them by any means necessary...even if that includes giving your life.

So let me get your (not you specifically but anyone who wants to keep this going) comments out of the way for you.

"You ain't shit". "You're a bitch", "You're cold hearted", "You're an asshole", "You don't deserve children", "I hope your uterus falls out", etc. Does that cover it or did I miss some?

I apologize if you felt attacked in some way, but did you really have to take this personally? I was sharing with everyone...not just you. I just happened to reply to you. lol Who the fuck is calling you a cold hearted bitch? Seriously, there are all sorts of fucktards here.

I was not giving her a pass for not saving her child. I was discussing how difficult it must be for these women to be strong when they have so much against them. Sure they can die for their children then what? Then their children are mother-less. I just don't think things are an easy black and white and in no way comparable to how most women are treated in a modern society.

[Cassy]

Is no one reading what I am saying? I am responding to the statement that was made by her.

No you're not. You're responding to a rewrite of a rewritten quote that was possibly translated to begin with. And the rewrite here left out the very information you first said wasn't in the article.

Just because some newspaper runs a few sentences doesn't make it fact and there's a whole lot of background to this story we're obviously not getting. The mother was a child herself when she was given to that uneducated monster. She had nowhere to go, with or without her child where she would not have quite possibly met the same fate...or worse.

Women and female children have no worth. No one cares.

[Dakota Valkyrie]

Ya, shure ubetcha.... NOT!

Baby Afreen’s father blames his wife for the tragedy, saying she often used to beat the child. When asked why he never did anything to stop her, he had no answer.

The most execrated man in Bangalore today, 22-year-old Umar Farooq, who is widely seen in the people’s court as having caused the death of his three-month-old daughter, Neha Afreen, is veering towards a predictable-enough stance.

Just two days after confessing to the K G Halli police that he was responsible for his baby girl’s death, he is singing a different tune.

When Mirror caught up with him on Friday in the Parappana Agrahara central jail, where he is confined to a high-security cell, a teary Farooq said he was not the one who ‘killed’ his daughter. He had been framed.

He went to the extent of blaming his wife Reshma Banu for the tragedy. “I am being condemned without being given an opportunity to defend myself,” he said.

Warming up to his new script (was it inspired by suggestions that his statement to the police would not be admissible in a court, or was it just his survival instinct kicking in?), he said, “I have not eaten anything for two days since I heard that my child Afreen was no more.

With whom should I share my pain? I am like any other father. I loved my child as any father did and I am in pain as much as any father would be.”

When asked pointedly whether he was responsible for his child’s death, Farooq protested vehemently.

“It was I who first wanted her (Reshma Banu) to rush the child to a hospital, but she did not allow me to touch the baby. I don’t understand what grave mistake I had committed that I was not allowed to touch my baby. It was she who used to beat the baby,” he claimed.

However, when asked why he did nothing to stop his wife from beating the child, Farooq had no answer.” I never got an opportunity to defend myself. The moment the baby was admitted and it came out in the media, everyone started passing judgment that I was guilty. I am being charged with many things which I am not even aware of.”

“She has been telling everybody that she brought (home) Rs 5,000 once, Rs 10,000 once and Rs 1 lakh once. I don’t understand from where she brought that money and to whom she gave it. Did she show any proof while making these charges? But in spite of all this, I don’t hate her. If she wants khula (seeking divorce), let her.

Why should I give talaq (divorce)? I never committed any mistake. It was she and her relatives who hated me, prevented me getting close to my child and spread falsehoods about me and my relatives. I always loved my child and liked her,” he said.

Was he hostile towards Afreen because she was a girl child and therefore attempted to kill her? Farooq countered with a vigorous denial. “I never hated her because she was a baby girl. I loved her a lot. If I hadn’t loved her, I would have not undergone such pain. I am not able to cope and haven’t eaten anything since I heard the news of her death. It’s a curse that I couldn’t see my baby, whom I loved like any other father.

Even my parents used to love the child. Reshma’s allegations that we used to beat the child are not true. The true facts will come out and I will get justice. But I loved my child a lot and I will suffer for her loss forever,” he said.
[...]

http://www.punemirror.in/article/4/2...%E2%80%99.html

[LadyCygnet]

Baby Afreen’s father blames his wife for the tragedy, saying she often used to beat the child. When asked why he never did anything to stop her, he had no answer.

In a place where women have no power and are treated like property rather than people, he claims his wife beat their daughter and he did nothing to stop her? Either he's lying or I'm in a stockyard, because I'm smelling a lot of bullcrap in his statements.

[Northernspark]

How though? If the wife did a dissapearing act her Family wou have felt the wrath :(