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    New News? Supreme Court Rules You May be Strip Searched When you Enter Jail

    In CT, it's a given, you squat naked and cough. You also get naked and get coldly sprayed down with some chemical for body lice (say you may be pregnant and they will get a little squirt bottle and only do your hair) What say you?

    WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Monday ruled by a 5-to-4 vote that officials may strip-search people arrested for any offense, however minor, before admitting them to jails even if the officials have no reason to suspect the presence of contraband.

    Justice Anthony M. Kennedy, joined by the court’s conservative wing, wrote that courts are in no position to second-guess the judgments of correctional officials who must consider not only the possibility of smuggled weapons and drugs, but also public health and information about gang affiliations.

    “Every detainee who will be admitted to the general population may be required to undergo a close visual inspection while undressed,” Justice Kennedy wrote, adding that about 13 million people are admitted each year to the nation’s jails.

    The procedures endorsed by the majority are forbidden by statute in at least 10 states and are at odds with the policies of federal authorities. According to a supporting brief filed by the American Bar Association, international human rights treaties also ban the procedures.

    The federal appeals courts had been split on the question, though most of them prohibited strip-searches unless they were based on a reasonable suspicion that contraband was present. The Supreme Court did not say that strip-searches of every new arrestee were required; it ruled, rather, that the Fourth Amendment’s prohibition of unreasonable searches did not forbid them.

    Daron Hall, the president of the American Correctional Association and sheriff of Davidson County, Tenn., said the association welcomed the flexibility offered by the decision. The association’s current standards discourage blanket strip-search policies.

    Monday’s sharply divided decision came from a court whose ideological differences are under intense scrutiny after last week’s arguments on President Obama’s health care law. The ruling came less than two weeks after a pair of major 5-to-4 decisions on the right to counsel in plea negotiations, though there Justice Kennedy had joined the court’s liberal wing. The majority and dissenting opinions on Monday agreed that the search procedures the decision allowed — close visual inspection by a guard while naked — were more intrusive than being observed while showering, but did not involve bodily contact.

    Justice Stephen G. Breyer, writing for the four dissenters, said the strip-searches the majority allowed were “a serious affront to human dignity and to individual privacy” and should be used only when there was good reason to do so.

    Justice Breyer said that the Fourth Amendment should be understood to bar strip-searches of people arrested for minor offenses not involving drugs or violence, unless officials had a reasonable suspicion that they were carrying contraband.

    Monday’s decision endorsed a recent trend, from appeals courts in Atlanta, San Francisco and Philadelphia, allowing strip-searches of everyone admitted to a jail’s general population. At least seven other appeals courts, on the other hand, had ruled that such searches were proper only if there was a reasonable suspicion that the arrested person had contraband.

    According to opinions in the lower courts, people may be strip-searched after arrests for violating a leash law, driving without a license and failing to pay child support. Citing examples from briefs submitted to the Supreme Court, Justice Breyer wrote that people have been subjected to “the humiliation of a visual strip-search” after being arrested for driving with a noisy muffler, failing to use a turn signal and riding a bicycle without an audible bell.

    A nun was strip-searched, he wrote, after an arrest for trespassing during an antiwar demonstration.

    Justice Kennedy responded that “people detained for minor offenses can turn out to be the most devious and dangerous criminals.” He noted that Timothy McVeigh, later put to death for his role in the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, was first arrested for driving without a license plate. “One of the terrorists involved in the Sept. 11 attacks was stopped and ticketed for speeding just two days before hijacking Flight 93,” Justice Kennedy added.

    The case decided Monday, Florence v. County of Burlington, No. 10-945, arose from the arrest of Albert W. Florence in New Jersey in 2005. Mr. Florence was in the passenger seat of his BMW when a state trooper pulled his wife, April, over for speeding. A records search revealed an outstanding warrant for Mr. Florence’s arrest based on an unpaid fine. (The information was wrong; the fine had been paid.)...
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    Strip searches are constitutional.
    Mandatory health care not constitutional.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMorningStar View Post
    Strip searches are constitutional.
    Mandatory health care not constitutional.
    They didn't rule that strip searches be mandatory. Just that they are constitutional.
    Mandatory health care hasn't been ruled on yet.

    Personally, I don't see what those two even have in common.
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    While I was never strip searched, when I first arrived and was searched the female cop did get awfully close to my bum hole. I felt more comfortable getting a pap smear than a fucking cavity search :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by CbabyRKO View Post
    While I was never strip searched, when I first arrived and was searched the female cop did get awfully close to my bum hole. I felt more comfortable getting a pap smear than a fucking cavity search :/
    And if it was a hot healthy strong male, we would not be having this conversation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by malq View Post
    And if it was a hot healthy strong male, we would not be having this conversation?
    uh yeah we would! coz unless he's my doc or my husband I don't need no hot healthy strong male checkin out the goods. No thank you sir!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dakota Valkyrie View Post
    Personally, I don't see what those two even have in common.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMorningStar View Post
    Strip searches are constitutional.
    Mandatory health care not constitutional.
    Most of the Supreme Court ridiculed O'bummers health care and wanted to know why they should even bother reading it when no one else did, O'bummer now trying to bully it through

    http://ca.news.yahoo.com/combative-o...192629533.html
    Combative Obama warns Supreme Court on health law

    Pointed comments from Supreme Court justices last week during three days of compelling hearings have convinced many commentators that the court, expected to rule in June, will declare the law, dubbed ObamaCare, unconstitutional.

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    Joseph Stalin wanna be
    Threatens supreme court

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/...ck-over-court/

    McConnell tells Obama to 'back off' over court

    "The president crossed a dangerous line this week," the Kentucky Republican said to the Lexington Rotary Club, "and anyone who cares about liberty needs to call him out on it. The independence of the court must be defended."

    President Obama’s reckless and foolish attack on the Supreme Court drew an immediate response from the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals, as reported by Fox News:

    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=50640
    A federal appeals court is striking back after President Obama cautioned the Supreme Court against overturning the health care overhaul and warned that such an act would be "unprecedented."
    One justice in particular chided the administration for what he said was being perceived as a "challenge" to judicial authority -- referring directly to Obama's latest comments about the Supreme Court's review of the health care case.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/nation...zvS_story.html

    Civics 101 tells us the Supreme Court has the authority to review acts of Congress and determine whether or not they violate the Constitution.
    Obamacare: Now the civics lesson. Marbury v. Madison and the authority of the Supreme Court

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    He actually said this with a straight face

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...professor.html

    Carney: Obama Not Understood Because He Spoke In "Shorthand" Since He Is A Law Professor
    White House press secretary Jay Carney tells the press corps that President Obama's attack on the Supreme Court was misunderstood because he was speaking in "shorthand" since he is a former professor of law.

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    @Rockin Ma My response to this, when I first read it, was this is really frightening. I'm having a hard time with it. I mean, I'm usually on the side of law enforcement and the restriction of prisoner's rights. But I usually think in terms of prison prisoners, not folks hauled to jail for whatever reason yet to be charged or indicted. If being taken to jail by itself is a reason to strip search a prisoner, then I am alarmed. This is regressive and a deterrent not to crime, but to people who would protest the government. It will backfire against the jurisdictions where it is used because I believe that more people, not less, will come to distrust the LE officers and court officials who are sworn to uphold the law.

    As to Obamacare: If I buy off on what I'm hearing then I must revise my basic belief to accept that if public healthcare is unconstitutional, and socialist, and evil, well then healthcare is purely for the rich and the rest of us should just make up our minds to die when some deadly illness or accident befalls us. Logically, we all know that the health insurance we gain through our work is a socialist benefit. We get it through collective bargaining. A socialist activity. Unions be damned. Benefits be damned.

    We're capitalist here, right, so hang up on any benefits we can't supply ourselves through a simple one-on-one marketplace exchange -- retirement plans, healthcare, death benefits, dismemberment insurance, etc. We should be ashamed to expect our employer . . . or our government . . . to step in and supply those. The employer should simply owe us money. (One benefit is that would negate any excuse they might come up with for involving themselves in our private activities. Another would be that they would no longer be able to prop themselves up by robbing our retirement accounts.)

    Our government only owes us the right to pursue happiness. Not the means of that happiness. So we can stop complaining about equal rights, employment insurance, social security, healthcare, environment cleanliness, preservation of national treasures, parks, and lands, food safety, and of course disease control.

    So, if an accident should befall me, or I develop a lump in my breast, I won't seek medical assistance. I can't afford medical insurance or medical care. It's a choice, after all. Why waste my savings on ambulances, overpriced emergency care, doctor's fees, radiology, and all the other specialized crap that I will not be able to sustain, just to live a little longer and be a burden on everybody else? Only the very rich need go to that extent because just think how our country would fall if their deaths should disrupt employment and economic growth.

    I believe that the rest of us should just go ahead and forgo inoculations and trust in our own ability to determine what we need from the OTC drug aisle. That will, of course, redound upon health care workers, who will then be working in a field glutted with providers but few customers. The supply will overwhelm the market. And what could be better than putting health insurance companies out of business? Personally, I like that idea the best.
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