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    Oral Alfred Stuart Jr. wasn't AWOL



    For the past 37 years, Oral Alfred Stuart Jr. was classified as AWOL and a Marine Corps deserter.

    But his family never believed it.

    Even if Stuart had left his beloved Corps, which he voluntarily joined in 1974 and proudly tattooed on his arm, he never would have left his parents without so much as a goodbye.

    "I always believed something must have happened to him. He loved the Marine Corps ... (and) he would have been in touch with our mother," insisted Carl Stuart, Stuart's older brother and one of only a few surviving family members.

    Now, after all those years of uncertainty, Stuart's family

    Oral Alfred Stuart Jr. has been proven right through the work of the Long Beach Police Department's Cold Case Unit.

    Stuart, who was from Des Moines and known to his friends and family as "Buddy," didn't desert the Marine Corps in 1974 - he was murdered.

    His body was found on Nov. 10 of that year naked and dumped at The Lakes condominium complex on Spring Street, across from El Dorado Park and next to the San Gabriel (605) Freeway. He was classified as John Doe No. 155 until just last year, when they found strong evidence that the body was Stuart's.

    Police officially confirmed his identity last week.

    "We've notified the U.S. Navy's (Naval Criminal Investigative Service) ... that rather than being a deserter, he's a murder victim," said
    Long Beach Police Lt. Lloyd Cox.

    "We never would have been able to identify him, and clear his record, without the National Institute of Justice Cold Case grant and (without) all of us - the coroner and NCIS - working together this last year."

    Though DNA evidence was not available from the original case, it was one that came up for review by the Cold Case Unit, which has been funded by the national grant, Cox said.

    Using that funding, police were able to work with Navy investigators to identify a missing Marine who was never found and who was near the Long Beach region at the time of the slaying.

    Detectives then tracked the closest living relative, Carl Stuart, to his home in Phoenix, where detectives there showed the older brother an autopsy photo. They also used tattoos and other distinguishing features to identify the victim, Cox explained.

    Long Beach Police Department detectives at the time of the murder also noted the close-cropped haircut and the tattoos on the 18-year-old victim indicated military service, Cox said.

    The cause of death was initially classified undetermined, though the medical examiner who worked on the case in 1974 came out of retirement to help police and coroner's investigators rule the death a homicide last year with the cause listed as blunt force trauma, the lieutenant added.

    The spot where Stuart was found, in public view, was processed for evidence at the time and it appeared as though the victim had been dumped there after being killed elsewhere. Detectives contacted military units in the region and looked for clues or some sort of connection to the body, but Stuart was never identified.

    "Most of the coroner's files and our files from that time are missing," Cox said, explaining it isn't clear today why Stuart wasn't identified then, though Stuart had been reported AWOL by the Marine Corps on Nov. 22, 1974, "twelve days after we find the body."

    Killer's ID still unknown
    Those answers don't sit well with Stuart's older brother, who concedes there was no DNA technology available in 1974, but who insists the military had his brother's fingerprints on file and that police and military investigators could have identified Buddy had they tried harder.

    "My parents both went to their graves not knowing what had happened to him and knowing (the Marine Corps) listed him as a deserter," Carl Stuart said. "Now I know he didn't desert, he was taken from us. But I've known that all along."

    And though his brother has finally been identified, Carl Stuart said, he doesn't believe police will ever find his killer.

    The odds aren't good, Cox admitted, given the length of time that has passed since the killing. Still, Long Beach Homicide Detectives are hoping the release of Stuart's name might jog a memory or strike someone's conscience.

    "The chances, I know, are small, but we're hoping maybe someone knew who (Stuart) was with or who has some information about him will come forward," Cox said. "I'm amazed sometimes what people can recall even after that many years."

    Carl Stuart believes his brother fell victim to serial killer Randy Kraft. Kraft, who was sentenced to death in 1989 for 16 homicides, is suspected of killing more than 60 young men, many of them military members, in the 1970s and 1980s.

    At least one body was found in the Long Beach Marina and many more were dumped along Southland highways, though victims were also found out-of-state. Kraft also preyed on hitchhikers and young men in gay bars.

    Kraft himself was discharged from the United States Air Force in 1969 for medical reasons, the same year he told his family he was gay. His victims were often found sadistically tortured and drugged before they were killed. Many were found with missing items of clothing or missing body parts.

    Stuart was found nude and his body showed signs of trauma, Cox said, refusing to release further details due to the on-going investigation.

    Carl Stuart identified his brother's body after he was shown an autopsy photo and said the grisly condition of the remains seem to fit many of the methods described in Kraft's confirmed murder cases.

    An independent youth
    It's a disturbing image to carry, Carl Stuart admits.

    The ailing Phoenix resident, who has emphysema, was quite close to his younger brother when they were growing up, especially after they lost their only other brother in a deadly car crash in 1965. They have a younger sister, who is still alive, and a half-brother, who never knew Buddy.

    Carl Stuart said he still remembers the FBI tapping his phone lines for a few months after Buddy was listed a deserter, in case he was lying about not knowing where his brother was located. Buddy had just graduated from boot camp and was given several weeks leave before being shipped out when he disappeared.

    Carl Stuart said he could understand why the military wouldn't report his younger brother AWOL right away, because Buddy "did what we wanted. ... He didn't like sitting around and being bored."

    Buddy once hitchhiked from the family's home in Des Moines, Iowa, to California, and both brothers had a drinking problem, Carl Stuart said. It wasn't too long before he disappeared that the brothers went drinking and, full of alcohol, squared off in a fight.

    "When he came home from boot camp, well, he thought he was tough," Carl Stuart recalled with a laugh. "I guess he thought he could finally take me."

    Some neighbors weren't amused, however, and called the police. Buddy Stuart was arrested for public intoxication with a blood alcohol measurement of .26. His recruiter bailed him out the next day and gave him about a week to report back to base at Camp Pendleton, in San Diego.

    "So I can understand why they wouldn't list him missing right away," Carl Stuart said.

    What Stuart had a harder time coping with was the lack of interest the Marine Corps had in finding his brother once he was listed AWOL.

    "But you don't push the Marine Corps," Carl Stuart said.

    At least now, with the identification and homicide ruling, the Marine Corps has changed Stuart's status from deserter to honorable discharge, according to Carl Stuart and the Long Beach Police Department. The military will hold a full honor guard funeral service at the unmarked grave where Stuart, and so many other Los Angeles County murder victims, are buried, and will provide the surviving family with death benefits, though the amount hasn't yet been determined.

    "We'll have the John Doe place maker taken out and a headstone put in so the grave will at least have his name," Carl Stuart said. "We have a family graveyard back in Iowa. Later maybe, I'll go back to Iowa and have a plaque placed with mom and dad."
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    Wow, I know exactly where these apartments are located. Eerie
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mybabiesmomma View Post
    Wow, I know exactly where these apartments are located. Eerie
    reeeeaaallllyyy...and where exactly were you Nov 9th and 10th, 1974?
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    Somewhere in Puerto Rico getting my diaper changed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mybabiesmomma View Post
    Somewhere in Puerto Rico getting my diaper changed.
    Likely story
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    Handsome young man. He probably was killed by this Randy Kraft guy, time fits and everything. I am glad his brother at least got to find out what happened to him.
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    @Nell. I didn't even think of Craft. Good call.
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    One of the entries on Randy Kraft's "death list" that hasn't yet been matched to a known victim is "IOWA.". My money's on Kraft for this murder.

    http://articles.latimes.com/1988-10-...t-case-randy/2

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    Quote Originally Posted by stranger81 View Post
    One of the entries on Randy Kraft's "death list" that hasn't yet been matched to a known victim is "IOWA.". My money's on Kraft for this murder.

    http://articles.latimes.com/1988-10-...t-case-randy/2
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    Nope . . . certainly wish I knew more that could help Mr. Stuart's family. Just a longtime lurker, first-time poster. My father was also from the Des Moines area, and it breaks my heart to know Mr. Stuart's parents went to their graves never knowing what happened to their son.

    I can't find the article now, but I read somewhere this week that an investigator had gone to San Quentin to try to speak with Kraft about this case, and he refused to see her.

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    Suuure! Where were YOU the week of November 10, 1974.
    For that matter, where was I?
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    I see in the original news article posted here, that this victim's brother stated he believed him to be a victim of Randy Kraft too.

    Carl Stuart believes his brother fell victim to serial killer Randy Kraft. Kraft, who was sentenced to death in 1989 for 16 homicides, is suspected of killing more than 60 young men, many of them military members, in the 1970s and 1980s.
    I'd never heard of Randy Kraft until this thread ... Oh my gawd ... reading more about him now ... wow.

    I am so glad that he's now been identified and the family has, at least, some partial answers.

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