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    I hear you, I really do however I come from a country where we might have paid lip service to the rules but we broke them all.

    LOL at the sign up sheets, here in SA our boys were automatically drafted for two years straight out of school NO exceptions unless you were crazy then you spent your 2 years in an institution. If our government didnt have the constant supply of "fresh meat" joining the forces they probably would have put sign up sheets outside the local bar, no problems with that at all :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cape Town Girl View Post
    I hear you, I really do however I come from a country where we might have paid lip service to the rules but we broke them all.

    LOL at the sign up sheets, here in SA our boys were automatically drafted for two years straight out of school NO exceptions unless you were crazy then you spent your 2 years in an institution. If our government didnt have the constant supply of "fresh meat" joining the forces they probably would have put sign up sheets outside the local bar, no problems with that at all :)
    It was down to one year by the time I went in (1990-91).
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMorningStar View Post
    I want to know how a lone armed soldier "sneaked" off base. I have never been on a base where that was remotely possible, let alone in a war zone.
    My husband was deployed for a year to Afghanistan to help train the Afghan National Army. The base they were at in the north was very, very small. It was built by Russians and they had to build up the mud walls around it to something that approached 'secure'. According to him, it was very possible to sneak off at night during guard duty. Naturally they did not, because that's just the dangerous sort of thing only the crazy or idiotic would do.

    Thanks to that senseless atrocity, that man horribly endangered soldiers everywhere in the Middle East. I can't imagine how the people at the very small bases (like my husband's) must feel. Their base once got surrounded for four days by Afghani civilians who were angered by a Koran book burning story in the news at the time. He said there were a couple of hairy times where it seemed like bad shit was going to happen.

    As for all the hard work my husband and his unit put into the 'winning hearts and minds' thing, that's probably dust in the wind now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dakota Valkyrie View Post
    I agree... but this guy was trained as a sniper. "Stress" kind of goes with the job and is hard to avoid.

    He seems to have undergone frequent mental evaluations (according to reports). I wonder if something was missed during one of those, if something was missed by his fellow soldiers while in theater, or if no one saw it coming and the guy just out-n-out snapped.
    Just because you have a mental condition does not mean you have a low IQ. ANYONE with any intelligence at all will tell people what they want to hear when being evaluated, especially if there is personal gain. I think they are pretty worthless myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Bondurant View Post
    It was down to one year by the time I went in (1990-91).
    So.... did you spend it with the crazies?

    1990-1991 Our border war that never happened was over. Lucky you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cape Town Girl View Post
    So.... did you spend it with the crazies?

    1990-1991 Our border war that never happened was over. Lucky you!
    I killed an impala.
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    The soldier accused of killing 16 Afghan villagers is expected to be flown to a U.S. military prison as early as Friday, a senior defense official said, as the soldier's attorney spoke of the impact the fighting had on his client.
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    The soldier's attorney, Seattle attorney John Henry Browne, said that the day before the rampage, the soldier saw his friend's leg blown off. Browne said his client's family provided him with details of the injury to another U.S. soldier. The details have not been independently verified.

    "His leg was blown off, and my client was standing next to him," he said Thursday.

    It isn't clear whether the incident might have helped prompt the horrific middle-of-the-night attack on civilians in two villages last Sunday. Browne said it affected all of the soldiers at the base.

    The suspect had been injured twice during his three previous deployments to Iraq and didn't want to go to Afghanistan to begin with, Browne said.

    Browne declined to release his client's name, citing concerns for the man's family, which is under protection on Joint Base Lewis-McChord, near Tacoma. But he said the soldier has two young children, ages 3 and 4.
    [...]

    Browne described him as highly decorated and said he had once been nominated for a Bronze Star, which he did not receive.

    He said the soldier and his family had thought he was done fighting. The suspect was training to be a military recruiter before his deployment to Afghanistan, Browne said.

    During tours in Iraq, the soldier suffered a concussive head injury in a car accident caused by a roadside bomb, Browne said, and he suffered a battle-related injury that resulted in surgery to remove part of his foot.

    He was screened by health officials after the head injury before he redeployed, Browne said. He did not know if his client had been suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder, but said it could be an issue at trial if experts believe it's relevant.

    He and the rest of his brigade had initially been told they wouldn't have to go to Afghanistan, Browne said.

    Browne and his co-counsel, Scanlan, said at a news conference at their Seattle law office that they had met with the soldier's wife and other family members, and Browne said he spoke briefly by phone with the soldier, whom he described as stunned and distant.

    His family was "totally shocked," he said. "He's never said anything antagonistic about Muslims. He's in general very mild-mannered."

    U.S. investigators have determined that the suspect had been drinking alcohol before leaving the base that night, a senior U.S. defense official said Friday. The official discussed the matter on condition of anonymity because charges have not yet been filed. Drinking is a violation of a U.S. military order that bans alcohol in war zones.

    The defense official provided no further details about the role of alcohol and said the matter remained part of the criminal investigation.

    Browne said he knew little of the facts of the shooting, but disputed reports that a combination of alcohol, stress and domestic issues caused the suspect to snap. He said the family said they were unaware of any drinking problem, and described the couple's marriage as "fabulous."
    [...]

    The soldier asked to be represented by Browne, a well-known Seattle defense attorney, when he was taken into custody, the lawyer said.

    Browne said he's spoken with the soldier, but did not discuss the substance of the allegations. He said the soldier had no prior events in his Army dossier indicating misbehavior.

    Browne once defended serial killer Ted Bundy and recently represented Colton Harris-Moore, a youthful thief known as the "Barefoot Bandit."

    Browne said he has only handled three or four military cases before. The soldier will also have at least one military lawyer.
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    Robert Bales, the staff sergeant accused of massacring Afghan civilians, enlisted in the U.S. Army at the same time he was trying to avoid answering allegations he defrauded an elderly Ohio couple of their life savings in a stock fraud, according to federal documents reviewed by ABC News. "He robbed me of my life savings," Gary Liebschner of Carroll, Ohio told ABC News.
    Financial regulators found that Bales "engaged in fraud, breach of fiduciary duty, churning, unauthorized trading and unsuitable investments," according to a report on Bales filed in 2003. Bales and his associates were ordered to pay Liebschner $1,274,000 in compensatory and punitive damages but have yet to do so, according to Liebschner.
    "We didn't know where he was," Liebschner told ABC News. "We heard the Bahamas, and all kinds of places."
    Liebschner says he recognized Bales after news reports named him as the American soldier accused of killing 16 Afghan villagers in a shooting rampage.
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    This case is getting more and more complicated all the time.

    DH's first thought on this was that "we" should just let the Afghanis know what day and time we would release him on the village square. Because he believes that the Afghanis have a right to their justice.

    Given that Bales was a spree killer, I can see his point. And generally I would agree with him.

    But, I have some hesitation that I just can't explain.
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    enlisted in the U.S. Army at the same time he was trying to avoid answering allegations he defrauded an elderly Ohio couple of their life savings in a stock fraud,
    Didn't these people bring suit? Get a judgment? Try to collect on it? I wonder what the circumstances are on that. Normally one would file a military affidavit on a non appearing defendant.
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    From above link:
    Liebschner filed a complaint against Bales in May 2000, claiming Bales took his life savings of $852,000 in AT&T stock and through a series of trades reduced its value to nothing.
    The Ohio retiree recalled Bales as a "smooth talker." Asked if he regarded Bales as a con man, Liebschner said, "You've hit the nail on the head."
    At the time, Bales worked for an Ohio brokerage firm, MPI.
    According to federal documents, Bales failed to appear at an arbitration hearing to resolve Liebschner's complaint.
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    They should have moved for a default against him.

    An arbitrator in 2003 ordered Bales to pay more than $1.3 million in damages to Gary Liebschner and his wife of Carroll, Ohio. By then, Bales was already in the Army, having enlisted in November 2001, less than two months after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, according to an Army statement.

    Bales, 38, is suspected of killing at least 16 civilians in Afghanistan on March 11. He may face formal charges in U.S. military court as soon as this week, his lawyer, John Henry Browne, said in an interview yesterday.

    Gary Liebschner told WCPO TV, the ABC affiliate in Cincinnati, that Bales pocketed their money after they asked him to sell some stock to cover medical bills. Bales never paid the money and the couple could never find him, Liebschner said.

    Bales worked in the financial services industry in Ohio from 1996 to 2000, according to FINRA records. An arbitrator found that Bales “engaged in fraud, breach of fiduciary duty, churning, unauthorized trading and unsuitable investments,” according to a report on the FINRA website.
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    I'm totally missing something. I don't get why him not showing prevents obtaining a judgment.
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    Army Staff Sgt. Robert Bales was charged Friday with 17 counts of murder and six counts of attempted murder, along with other charges, in connection with a shooting rampage in two southern Afghanistan villages that shocked Americans back home and further roiled U.S.-Afghan relations.
    [...]

    Col. Gary Kolb, a spokesman for U.S. forces in Afghanistan, says Bales was also charged Friday with six counts of attempted murder and six counts of assault.

    The decision to charge him with premeditated murder suggests that prosecutors plan to argue that he consciously conceived the killings. A military legal official for U.S. forces in Afghanistan who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the case, noted that premeditated murder is not something that has to have been contemplated for a long time.
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    A senior U.S. official tells NBC News that Bales is likely to face lesser charges such as dereliction of duty and disobeying a lawful order.

    The 38-year-old soldier and father of two, whose home is in Bonney Lake, Wash., faces trial under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, but it could be months before any public hearing.

    Legal jurisdiction in the Bales case is expected to be switched Friday from U.S. Forces-Afghanistan in Kabul to Bales' home base of Joint Base Lewis-McChord near Tacoma, Wash., U.S. officials said.

    Defense Secretary Leon Panetta has said Bales could face the death penalty if he is convicted of murder, but it is unlikely. The U.S. military has not executed a service member since 1961. Legal experts say Bales could face a lengthy prison sentence if convicted.

    The maximum punishment for a premeditated murder conviction is death, dishonorable discharge from the armed forces, reduction to the lowest enlisted grade and total forfeiture of pay and allowances, Kolb said. The mandatory minimum sentence is life imprisonment with the chance of parole.

    Legal experts have said the death penalty would be unlikely in the case. The military hasn't executed a service member since 1961 when an Army ammunition handler was hanged for raping an 11-year-old girl in Austria. None of the six men currently on death row at Fort Leavenworth was convicted for atrocities against foreign civilians.
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    Members of the Afghan delegation investigating the killings said one Afghan guard working from midnight to 2 a.m. saw a U.S. soldier return to the base around 1:30 a.m. Another Afghan soldier who replaced the first and worked until 4 a.m. said he saw a U.S. soldier leaving the base at 2:30 a.m. It's unknown whether the Afghan guards saw the same U.S. soldier. If the gunman acted alone, information from the Afghan guards would suggest that he returned to base in between the shooting sprees.
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    Afghan officials and villagers maintain that 16 civilians were killed. The U.S. military never announced a death toll, but said Friday that investigators had collected enough evidence to charge Bales with killing 17 civilians.

    U.S. officials are working with Afghan officials to compensate relatives of the victims, money that likely would be disbursed to the eldest male of the family. Eleven of those who died were from one family.

    Bales' lawyer, who is based in the state of Washington, has said that his client remembers very little or nothing from the time the military believes he went on the rampage.
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    With 4 tours in 10 years, I'd not be surprised at all at whatever the final diagnosis is. PTSD is something dealt with in some way by every single soldier who has to go into a situation so horrible that you couldn't even imagine it in your nightmares.

    I'd never justify something like this, killing anyone, much less women and children in the middle of the night. I'm sure at one time, he was an excellent soldier, qualified for what he was trained to do. Unfortunately, killing is a part of that. Not indiscriminately, but he's trained to kill anyway. It doesn't make him worth less as a person. It's all so sad. I want to see him punished to the fullest extent, but I'd like to see that he got help b/c he's definitely got some serious mental and emotional problems, among other things. All the families, including his, are going to deal with some serious pain and loss.
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    The Army on Friday dropped one of the murder charges against the soldier originally accused of killing 17 Afghan villagers in March, reducing the number of murder counts to 16.

    The amended complaint now also accuses Staff Sgt. Robert Bales of wrongfully possessing and using steroids and unlawfully consuming alcohol while deployed.
    [...]

    The Army said in a statement the amended charges against Bales stemmed from "developments in the ongoing investigation" into the March 11 incident in Afghanistan's Kandahar province. The statement did not elaborate.
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    The six counts of attempted murder against Bales remain unchanged in the amended complaint. But the newly filed documents also add a count of assault, which brings the total number of those counts to seven, from the previous six.

    The new allegation involves an incident from February, the month before the mass shooting, in which Bales is accused of using his hands and knees to "unlawfully strike" a male Afghan whose name is unknown, according to the charging documents.
    [...]

    Premeditated murder is a capital offense under the U.S. military justice code, so Bales could face the death penalty if convicted.

    He would face a mandatory minimum sentence, if convicted, of life imprisonment with eligibility for parole, the military has said.
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    The soldier accused of killing 16 villagers in a nighttime rampage in Afghanistan returned to his base wearing a cape and with the blood of his victims on his rifle, belt, shirt and pants, a military prosecutor said Monday.

    Staff Sgt. Robert Bales was incredulous when fellow U.S. soldiers drew their weapons on him when he returned to Camp Belambay in southern Afghanistan last March, prosecutor Lt. Col. Jay Morse said as a preliminary hearing opened at Joint Base Lewis-McChord, Wash.

    Bales then turned to one sergeant at the scene and said: "Mac, if you rat me out ..." Morse said.

    Bales, 39, has been charged with 16 counts of premeditated murder and six counts of attempted murder in one of the worst atrocities of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Nine of the victims were children. The hearing will help determine whether the case goes to a court martial.
    [...]

    Morse said Bales seemed utterly normal in the hours before the March 11 killings. With his colleagues, Bales watched the movie "Man on Fire," a fictional account of a former CIA operative on a revenge rampage.

    Just before he left the base, Morse said, Bales told a Special Forces soldier that he was unhappy with his family life, and that the troops should have been quicker to retaliate for a roadside bomb attack that claimed one soldier's leg.

    "At all times he had a clear understanding of what he was doing and what he had done," said Morse, who described Bales as lucid, coherent and responsive.
    [...]

    American officials have said they believe Bales broke the slaughter into two episodes — walking first to one village, returning to the base and slipping away again to carry out the second attack.

    The prosecutor said Bales returned to the base at one point, telling a colleague about shooting people at a village. The soldier apparently took it as a bad joke and responded: "Quit messing around."

    Prosecutors played for the first time a video captured by a surveillance blimp that showed a caped figure running toward the base, then stopping and dropping his weapons as he's confronted. There is no audio. Morse said Bales was the caped figure.

    After being taken into custody, Morse said, Bales said: "I thought I was doing the right thing."

    The hearing is scheduled to run as long as two weeks, and part of it will be held overnight to allow video testimony from witnesses, including an estimated 10 to 15 Afghans, in Afghanistan.
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    Bales remembers little or nothing from the time of the attacks, the defense said.
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    Through a live video feed from half a world away in Afghanistan, in an extraordinary night court session, descriptions of chaos and horror poured into a military courtroom here as if from an open spigot.

    "Their brains were still on the pillows," said Mullah Khamal Adin, 39, staring into the camera with his arms folded on the table, describing the 11 members of his cousin's family he found dead in the family compound — most of the bodies burned in a pile in one room.

    Adin, in a hearing that started here late Friday, was asked about the smell. Was there an odor of gasoline or kerosene?

    Just bodies and burned plastic, he said through a translator.

    The Army's preliminary hearing in the case against Staff Sgt. Robert Bales, accused of killing 16 Afghan civilians in Kandahar province this year, unfolded last week mostly in the bustling daylight of a working military base an hour south of Seattle.

    But to accommodate witnesses in Afghanistan, and the 12½-hour time difference, the schedule was shifted at week's end, with testimony through cameras and uplinks in Afghanistan and at Lewis-McChord starting at 7:30 p.m. Pacific time Friday and running until shortly after 2 a.m. Saturday.
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    " 'What are you doing? What are you doing?' " one witness, a farmer named Haji Naim, said he had shouted to the U.S. soldier, whom he described as wearing a blindingly bright headlamp in a house that, without electricity, was pitch black.

    The gunman said nothing, Naim said, and kept firing.

    "He shot me right here, right here, and right here," he said, indicating wounds from which he has apparently recovered.

    Most of the testimony, however graphic, was circumstantial, pointing to a lone American gunman but not directly implicating Bales.
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    Little Robina took her seat wearing a deep-red head covering and a nervous smile, ready to tell her story. She giggled as any 7-year-old in the spotlight might.

    But when the questions began, what she recalled seemed impossibly dark: how she hid behind her father when the gunman came to their village that night, how the stranger fired, and how her father died, cursing in pain and anger.

    "I was standing behind my father," she testified simply, by video feed from Afghanistan Saturday night during a hearing for the soldier accused of killing 16 civilians, including nine children, in Kandahar Province. "He shot my father."

    One of the bullets struck her in the leg, but she didn't realize it right away, she said.
    [...]

    The stories recounted by the villagers have been harrowing. They described torched bodies, a son finding his wounded father, and boys cowering behind a curtain while others screamed "We are children! We are children!"

    Bales sat quietly throughout, betraying no reaction to what he heard.

    Robina's friend, Zardana, now 8, also testified, but only briefly to describe what the shooter was wearing.

    Zardana suffered a gunshot wound to the top of her head, and when she arrived at a nearby military base, the doctors focused on treating the other injured victims first. They figured Zardana had no chance of surviving.

    After two months at a military hospital in Afghanistan and three more at a Navy hospital in San Diego, she can walk and talk again.

    Before she testified, Zardana sat at the witness table sipping from a pink juice box through a pink straw. A loose head covering and a barrette held her dark brown hair out of her face.
    [...]

    Sadiquallah, a slight boy of about 13 or 14 whose head rose just above his chair at the witness table, described being awakened by a neighbor screaming that an American had "killed our men."

    He said he and another boy, Zardana's brother, ran to hide in a storage room and ducked behind a curtain. It provided no protection from the bullet that grazed his head and fractured his skull. Sadiquallah said the shooter had a gun and a light, but he could not identify the man.

    The other child was hit in the thigh and also survived. That boy, Rafiullah, testified Saturday that an American had attacked them and put a gun in his sister's mouth.

    His father, Samiullah, was away when the shootings occurred, and testified that by the time he returned the next morning, his two wounded children had been driven to a base for treatment. He found his mother among the four corpses at the compound.

    "I just saw her, I cried, and I could not look on her face," he said.
    [...]

    One Army Criminal Investigations Command special agent testified that several months after the massacre, she took a statement from one woman whose husband was killed. The woman reported that there were two soldiers in her room – one took her husband out of the room and shot him, and the other held her back when she tried to follow.

    But other eyewitnesses reported that there was just one shooter, and several soldiers have testified that Bales returned to his base at Camp Belambay, just before dawn, alone and covered in blood.

    A video taken from a surveillance blimp also captured a sole figure returning to the base.
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    This fellow was doing God's work. I shall award him the Ritterkreuz mit Eichenlaub und Schwerten.

    Yet know, my master, God omnipotent,
    Is mustering in his clouds on our behalf
    Armies of pestilence; and they shall strike
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Bondurant View Post
    This fellow was doing God's work.
    Shouldn't he get off his lazy butt and start doing his own work?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DamagedGoods View Post
    Shouldn't he get off his lazy butt and start doing his own work?
    Witch!
    Yet know, my master, God omnipotent,
    Is mustering in his clouds on our behalf
    Armies of pestilence; and they shall strike
    Your children yet unborn and unbegot,
    That lift your vassal hands against my head
    And threat the glory of my precious crown.

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    It's so funny to me. The first commandment given down by God is Thy shall NOT kill. And people are still killing in his name, any ole reason to kill I guess. Not funny ha ha, funny as in what the Hell is wrong with people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darich View Post
    It's so funny to me. The first commandment given down by God is Thy shall NOT kill. And people are still killing in his name, any ole reason to kill I guess. Not funny ha ha, funny as in what the Hell is wrong with people.
    Good point. It's suits to fit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darich View Post
    It's so funny to me. The first commandment given down by God is Thy shall NOT kill. And people are still killing in his name, any ole reason to kill I guess. Not funny ha ha, funny as in what the Hell is wrong with people.
    The commandment "Thou shalt not kill" is generally taken to mean unlawful killing in biblical terms. The bible is full of killings that are OK for justifiable reasons. As with most of the bible, "justifiable" is open to interpretation.
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    1 Samuel, chapter 15, verse 3: "Go now and put Amalek to the sword, putting to the curse all they have, without mercy: put to death every man and woman, every child and baby at the breast, every ox and sheep, camel and ass."
    Hosea, chapter 13, verse 16 (chapter 14, verse 1 in some translations): "Samaria will be made waste, for she has gone against her God: they will be cut down by the sword, their little children will be broken on the rocks, their women who are with child will be cut open."
    Numbers, chapter 31, verses 17-18: "So now put every male child to death, and every woman who has had sex relations with a man. But all the female children who have had no sex relations with men, you may keep for yourselves."
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    Yeah, that's why I have trouble taking the bible seriously. My relatives would probably all disown me if they knew. They all think I'm going to hell anyway. Maybe they do know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darich View Post
    They all think I'm going to hell anyway.
    I'll save you a chair. We'll have fun. ;)
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    Quote Originally Posted by darich View Post
    Yeah, that's why I have trouble taking the bible seriously. My relatives would probably all disown me if they knew. They all think I'm going to hell anyway. Maybe they do know.
    It wont be so bad, I will be there :D I'll keep you cheered up with my disgusting wit and charm.
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    Heaven always sounded like a dreadfully boring place to me anyways.
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    Bales to face court martial
    The U.S. Army said Wednesday it will seek the death penalty against the soldier accused of killing 16 Afghan villagers in a predawn rampage in March, a decision his lawyer called "totally irresponsible."
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    No date has been set for Bales' court martial, which will be held at Joint Base Lewis-McChord south of Seattle.

    His civilian lawyer, John Henry Browne, told The Associated Press he met with Army officials last week to argue his client shouldn't face the possibility of the death penalty, given that Bales was serving his fourth deployment in a war zone when the killings occurred.

    "The Army is not taking responsibility for Sgt. Bales and other soldiers that the Army knowingly sends into combat situations with diagnosed PTSD, concussive head injuries and other injuries," Browne said. "The Army is trying to take the focus off the failure of its decisions, and the failure of the war itself, and making Sgt. Bales out to be a rogue soldier."

    Bales' wife, Kari Bales, said in a statement Wednesday that she and their children have been enjoying their weekend visits with Bales at Joint Base Lewis-McChord, and she hopes he receives an impartial trial.

    "I no longer know if a fair trial for Bob is possible, but it very much is my hope, and I will have faith," she said.

    Bales' defense team has said the government's case is incomplete, and outside experts have said a key issue going forward will be to determine if Bales suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder. Bales grew up in the Cincinnati suburb of Norwood, Ohio, and served tours of duty in Iraq and Afghanistan.
    [...]

    An Army criminal investigations command special agent testified earlier that Bales tested positive for steroids three days after the killings, and other soldiers testified that Bales had been drinking the evening of the massacre.

    Prosecutors, in asking for a court-martial trial, have pointed to statements Bales made after he was apprehended, saying his comments demonstrated a "clear memory of what he had done, and consciousness of wrongdoing."
    [...]

    The U.S. military has not executed anyone since 1961. There are five men currently facing military death sentences, but none for killings committed in war zones, according to the Death Penalty Information Center.
    [...]

    Elizabeth Hillman, president of the National Institute of Military Justice, said Bales' mental health and its impact on culpability will undoubtedly play a central role in his court-martial.

    In an email to the AP, she said that on one hand, the Army's decision to seek the death penalty is surprising, given that the killings took place in a war zone.

    "But on the other hand, it's not surprising that the Army wants to make a statement about the critical need to protect against unnecessary civilian deaths in wartime," she wrote.

    For Bales to face execution, the court martial jury must unanimously find him guilty of premeditated murder. They also must determine that at least one aggravating factor applies, such as multiple or child victims, and that the aggravating factor substantially outweighs any extenuating or mitigating circumstances.
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