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    WOW! That was a lame comment, he hasn't gotten killed so I guess what he does isn't dangerous
    Sorry to disappoint.

    Would it make it any easier to accept my opinion, if I added that I think the fact that they are immediately recognisable and known to not be armed sometimes prevents people from using violence against them?

    There is no doubt they are brave people; but if he has been doing it for 24 years and this is the first time his activities have sent him to hospital, they would appear to have found a way to minimise the danger to themselves and their colleagues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abroad View Post
    Sorry to disappoint.

    Would it make it any easier to accept my opinion, if I added that I think the fact that they are immediately recognisable and known to not be armed sometimes prevents people from using violence against them?

    There is no doubt they are brave people; but if he has been doing it for 24 years and this is the first time his activities have sent him to hospital, they would appear to have found a way to minimise the danger to themselves and their colleagues.
    Some policemen and fire fighters retire without a scratch, some policemen and firefighters die in the line of duty, just because they don't all get killed or injured doesn't minimize the danger of the job they do
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    Quote Originally Posted by biteme View Post
    Some policemen and fire fighters retire without a scratch, some policemen and firefighters die in the line of duty, just because they don't all get killed or injured doesn't minimize the danger of the job they do
    Are you implying that I do not appreciate the danger firefighters or policemen (or, indeed, Guardian Angels) face in their work? I can assure you I do.

    What I was saying was that they have found a way to manage the danger so that they can usually do their dangerous jobs without getting killed. It may take luck to get through 30 (or 24) years of policing without a scratch; but a lot of it is skill, too. I have great respect for people who know how to defuse a volatile situation.
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    Several George Zimmerman witnesses change their accounts

    Evidence released last week in the second-degree-murder case against George Zimmerman shows four key witnesses made major changes in what they say they saw and heard the night he fatally shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in Sanford.

    Three changed their stories in ways that may damage Zimmerman. A fourth abandoned her initial story, that she saw one person chasing another. Now, she says, she saw a single figure running.

    They were reinterviewed in mid-March, after Sanford police handed the case off to State Attorney Norm Wolfinger. The case changed hands again when Gov. Rick Scott passed it on to a special prosecutor.
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    Witness 2

    A young woman who lives in the Retreat at Twin Lakes community, where Trayvon was shot, was interviewed twice by Sanford police and once by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.

    She told authorities that she had taken out her contact lenses just before the incident. In her first recorded interview with Sanford police four days after the shooting, she told lead Investigator Chris Serino, "I saw two guys running. Couldn't tell you who was in front, who was behind."

    She stepped away from her window, and when she looked again, she "saw a fistfight. Just fists. I don't know who was hitting who."

    A week later, she added a detail when talking again to Serino: During the chase, the two figures had been 10 feet apart.

    That all changed when she was reinterviewed March 20 by an FDLE agent. That time, she recalled catching a glimpse of just one running figure, she told FDLE Investigator John Batchelor, and she heard the person more than saw him.

    "I couldn't tell you if it was a man, a woman, a kid, black or white. I couldn't tell you because it was dark and because I didn't have my contacts on or glasses. … I just know I saw a person out there."

    Witness 12

    A young mother who is also a neighbor in the town-home community never gave a recorded interview to Sanford police, according to prosecution records released last week. She first sat down for an audio-recorded interview with an FDLE agent March 20, more than three weeks after the shooting.

    During that session, she said she saw two people on the ground immediately after the shooting and was not sure who was on top, Zimmerman or Trayvon.

    "I don't know which one. … All I saw when they were on the ground was dark colors," she said.

    Six days later, however, she was sure: It was Zimmerman on top, she told trial prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda during a 21/2-minute recorded session.

    "I know after seeing the TV of what's happening, comparing their sizes, I think Zimmerman was definitely on top because of his size," she said.

    Witness 6


    This witness lived a few feet from where Trayvon and Zimmerman had their fight. On the night of the shooting, he told Serino he saw a black man on top of a lighter-skinned man "just throwing down blows on the guy, MMA-style," a reference to mixed martial arts.

    He also said the one calling for help was "the one being beat up," a reference to Zimmerman.

    But three weeks later, when he was interviewed by an FDLE agent, the man said he was no longer sure which one called for help.

    "I truly can't tell who, after thinking about it, was yelling for help just because it was so dark out on that sidewalk," he said.

    He also said he was no longer sure Trayvon was throwing punches. The teenager may have simply been keeping Zimmerman pinned to the ground, he said.

    He did not equivocate, though, about who was on top.

    "The black guy was on top," he said.

    Witness 13

    He is important because he talked with Zimmerman and watched the way he behaved immediately after the shooting, before police arrived.

    After this neighbor heard gunfire, he went outside and spotted Zimmerman standing there with"blood on the back of his head," he told Sanford police the night of the shooting.

    Zimmerman told him that Trayvon "was beating up on me, so I had to shoot him," the witness told Serino. The Neighborhood Watch captain then asked the witness to call his wife, Shellie Zimmerman, and tell her what happened.

    In two subsequent interviews about a month later — one with an FDLE investigator and one with de la Rionda — the witness described Zimmerman's demeanor in greater detail, adding that he spoke as if the shooting were no big deal.

    Zimmerman's tone, the witness said, was "not like 'I can't believe I just shot someone!' — it was more like, 'Just tell my wife I shot somebody …,' like it was nothing."
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    Exactly why they say eye witness testimony is unreliable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abroad View Post
    Are you implying that I do not appreciate the danger firefighters or policemen (or, indeed, Guardian Angels) face in their work? I can assure you I do.

    What I was saying was that they have found a way to manage the danger so that they can usually do their dangerous jobs without getting killed. It may take luck to get through 30 (or 24) years of policing without a scratch; but a lot of it is skill, too. I have great respect for people who know how to defuse a volatile situation.
    Forgot you live in the land of no guns, hope it never happens here, hasn't been very successful there
    I don't feel avoiding confrontations with criminals is a cop doing his job, you are right though it does keep them from getting injured

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    After riots, critics question unarmed UK police
    It's part of a cherished culture of restraint that is now coming under unprecedented pressure, as Prime Minister David Cameron plans major reforms, slashes police budgets and humiliates homegrown talent by calling in American help.

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    hey I thought I was the only one that lived in the land of no guns

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    I don't feel avoiding confrontations with criminals is a cop doing his job
    You are misrepresenting my point, yet again.

    I was not saying they should avoid confrontation. I was saying it takes a lot more skill to defuse the situation than it does to shoot the bastards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abroad View Post
    You are misrepresenting my point, yet again.

    I was not saying they should avoid confrontation. I was saying it takes a lot more skill to defuse the situation than it does to shoot the bastards.
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    Forgot you live in the land of no guns, hope it never happens here, hasn't been very successful there
    I don't feel avoiding confrontations with criminals is a cop doing his job, you are right though it does keep them from getting injured

    http://www.policeone.com/internation...med-UK-police/
    After riots, critics question unarmed UK police
    It's part of a cherished culture of restraint that is now coming under unprecedented pressure, as Prime Minister David Cameron plans major reforms, slashes police budgets and humiliates homegrown talent by calling in American help.
    Yes very skillful
    http://www.policeone.com/internation...med-UK-police/
    Officers avoided confrontation as a demonstration in the Tottenham district of north London spiraled into widespread lawlessness, and it was three days before police chiefs flooded the streets of Britain's capital with reinforcements.

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    I wasn't claiming that the British police covered themselves in glory during the riots last summer, Biteme.



    The statement I made about the skill it takes to resolve a confrontation peacefully still stands. I have the utmost respect for the people who manage to do it regularly as part of their jobs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by biteme View Post
    Yes very skillful
    http://www.policeone.com/internation...med-UK-police/
    Officers avoided confrontation as a demonstration in the Tottenham district of north London spiraled into widespread lawlessness, and it was three days before police chiefs flooded the streets of Britain's capital with reinforcements.
    Just antagonistic
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    Quote Originally Posted by gee View Post
    Just antagonistic

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    Contrary to what people may think (or biteme) lol... I do believe Zimmerman will walk, I don't believe he "murdered" and I do believe he acted in "self-defense" at the given moment that he shot that gun! But I look at BOTH sides. I look at the root situation, I look at the cause. Zimmerman pursued and followed (while carrying a loaded weapon) and exited his car. We even heard an audio of the following whereas Zimmerman says "they always get away", he was PURSUING...and he was not standing down.

    That is my point. He started it...what happened next? Who knows? The boy could of started a verbal or physical confrontation with Zimmerman as a reaction...it could of exacerbated Zimmerman's already suspicious thoughts and blew everything out of proportion, no doubt! But ultimately, Zimmerman set this event into motion. My personal opinion of Zimmerman is real harsh, but that is personal, that comes from my gut. In a Court of law I know he most likely will get off and some rich racist fuck will offer him a great job at their company meanwhile he will be cashing in on a book deal..... such as life.

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    I can't wait for the movie, wonder if they'll use a little baby faced 12 year old to play Trayvon, maybe Rey Mysterio to play Zimmerman, anyone think O'bummer will play himself?

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    Did anyone ever explain or even ask where O'bummers 17 year old 6ft 3inch dream child got the money to pay for gold teeth and tattoos, all quite expensive

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    Quote Originally Posted by biteme View Post
    Did anyone ever explain or even ask where O'bummers 17 year old 6ft 3inch dream child got the money to pay for gold teeth and tattoos, all quite expensive

    Gold teeth and tattoos are legal and not all that expensive. Either parent might pay for them. I would like to know where he got his marijuana and who was paying for that - an illegal product. Also, why did his father not look for him that night? Were they all too stoned to notice that he was gone? Or did they think he was out taking care of family business?

    One of the first things mentioned in an interview, was that the Skittles were for Chad. Why would they be talking about that when they had a dead child? How many teenage boys are going to haul ass to the store for candy, especially on a rainy evening. I think he really stepped out for a smoke or he had the munchies from an earlier smoke. He wasn't even old enough to legally smoke a cigarette.

    His mother knew he was suspended for marijuana. Did anyone search him for more, or did they approve of him smoking? Just like this never would have happened if George stayed in the car, it never would have happened if Trayvon stayed in Miami, where his mother could watch him. Yes, Trayvon had a right to come to Sanford, George had a right to get out of his car. Everybody had a right to do everything up to the point of physical contact. Trayvon was 5 ft.11 in.,158 lbs. according to the report from the morgue.

    Just on another note, why are all those protestors not saying anything about Robert Champion? Being beaten to death by his fellow band members must be OK. Probably because they are all black. It must be OK for black people to kill each other. Last I heard none of the thirteen people are being charged with any serious crime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkthnker View Post
    . It must be OK for black people to kill each other. Last I heard none of the thirteen people are being charged with any serious crime.
    Eleven individuals each face one count of third-degree felony hazing resulting in death. Each is also accused of two counts of first-degree misdemeanor hazing. State law provides a prison term of up to six years for those facing the more serious charges.
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    Thank you very much for that article, Valasca. This incident is heartbreaking, probably because it is so stupid and pointless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biteme View Post
    Did anyone ever explain or even ask where O'bummers 17 year old 6ft 3inch dream child got the money to pay for gold teeth and tattoos, all quite expensive
    All you do is make assumptions about this kid and yet if any one else makes an assumption about Zimmerman you are all over it.
    It goes both ways.

    WTF does his gold teeth or Tattoos have to do with anything?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gee View Post
    WTF does his gold teeth or Tattoos have to do with anything?
    They prove that he's Obama's kid because otherwise how else could he afford the $28.95 plus shipping on such a luxury item.
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    Bottom line here is this: There is plenty of blame to go around for both parties. Zimmerman has the advantage, though, b/c he is actually still living and can TELL a story. Trayvon Martin's story has been left to be told by news people who are just scrambling for a bit of juice in the next story, or some religious zealot who has decided that Trayvon was killed simply b/c he was black. I think there's wrong on both sides of the story. All the changes in Zimmerman's story, as well as the stories of these so-called "eyewitnesses" have muddlied the whole thing into exactly what the nutcases wanted it to be in the first place...... a racial incident.

    I'm sorry that Trayvon's life was cut short at the young age of 17. It's a shame, it really is. Another thing I'm thinking is that I hope that, whether he goes back and finishes school to major in criminal justice or not, there is no one stupid enough to give George Zimmerman a badge and a license to kill. With basically no constraints, it will be just a matter of time before you hear the next chapter in his story, that he's killed ANOTHER child. Yeah, I know... Martin was a big guy, and gave as good as he got. If he'd been armed, who knows who might have ended up dead. Bottom line here, to me, is that Trayvon Martin was, is and now forever shall be, a child, legally.

    The truth is, no one knows exactly what happened that night. I mean, no one but Zimmerman and Martin, and Trayvon won't be telling his side of it. I really think that it was a case of things happening too fast and getting out of hand too fast, and then neither of them was willing to back down, so they had to play it out, whatever might happen. I'm sure that Trayvon didn't just lie there and take what was being given. I'm pretty sure that he gave as good as he got, until Zimmerman made the playing field uneven once again by pulling the gun and shooting him. There are no do-overs in life, no matter how much we might wish for it to be so. Zimmerman needs to to just come clean and tell exactly what happened, what was said and what was in his mind that night. It's not going to change a thing, but someone will be have the peace of mind of knowing what happened and that their child can now rest in peace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by princessgrandma View Post
    Zimmerman needs to to just come clean and tell exactly what happened, what was said and what was in his mind that night. It's not going to change a thing, but someone will be have the peace of mind of knowing what happened and that their child can now rest in peace.
    The problem is... what if has been telling the truth all along? No one believes him.
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    Neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman made statements to police that help establish his guilt in the second-degree murder case against him for killing unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin, prosecutors said in a court filing on Thursday.

    The claim came in a motion by prosecutors to keep some of Zimmerman's statements under seal pending his trial in a case that triggered civil rights protests across the United States, while sparking widespread debate over guns, self-defense laws and U.S. race relations.

    "Defendant (Zimmerman) has provided law enforcement with numerous statements, some of which are contradictory, and are inconsistent with the physical evidence and statements of witnesses," the prosecutors said in their court filing.

    They said the statements by Zimmerman were admissible in court and "in conjunction with other statements and evidence help to establish defendant's guilt in this case."

    The court filing offered no details about the statements Zimmerman made to police or other law enforcement officials. It said Florida's public records law had no provision requiring "the disclosure of a confession" of a defendant.

    "The state asserts that this provision includes an admission of a defendant that could be used against him at trial," the filing said.
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    In a separate court filing on Thursday, Zimmerman's lawyer Mark O'Mara joined in the motion to keep his client's statements out of the public eye for the time being.

    "There is the possibility that these statements may be subject to motions to suppress, if there is a potentially involuntary statement elicited from Mr. Zimmerman," O'Mara said.

    "The release of that information would be highly prejudicial to Mr. Zimmerman's case, and again, would adversely affect the proper administration of justice," he said.

    O'Mara also asked the judge to withhold what he said were thousands of emails received by the Sanford police about the case, some of which are racially charged, and Zimmerman's own text messages, emails and journal entries obtained by prosecutors as part of their evidence gathering.

    Seminole County Circuit Court Judge Kenneth Lester set a June 1 hearing to consider the motions for a protective order.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dakota Valkyrie View Post
    Both sides are really grasping at straws to prove the case one way or the other. They still have to prove intent and that it was not self defense. He does not have to prove it was. Pretty tall order for the prosecution when Trayvons only injuries were the skin tore off his knuckles, Oh yeah, and that pesky hole made by the Tec9. Zimmerman in contrast, got the shit beat out of him. I don't know how much more self defense you can get. I would have shot him too. It would suck because it is a life changer, but if you thought you were going to die...
    The prosecution got set up with a political football and they have to try him even though it is a guaranteed acquittal or not guilty. They have nothing. nothing at all.

    The prosecutors are making a very weak case even worse by trolling the court with motions like this. They are asserting it is admissible. I am not so sure. I think that will be a separate decision made by the court. It also depends on the context of his statement. Like was it in an interview or in the medic wagon or to a stranger...

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    Quote Originally Posted by biteme View Post
    Did anyone ever explain or even ask where O'bummers 17 year old 6ft 3inch dream child got the money to pay for gold teeth and tattoos, all quite expensive
    Quote Originally Posted by gee View Post
    All you do is make assumptions about this kid and yet if any one else makes an assumption about Zimmerman you are all over it.
    It goes both ways.

    WTF does his gold teeth or Tattoos have to do with anything?
    What assumption did I make?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dakota Valkyrie View Post
    They prove that he's Obama's kid because otherwise how else could he afford the $28.95 plus shipping on such a luxury item.
    One hell of a price, where can I get those gold teeth?

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    Porcelain caps cost more because they are usually more time-consuming than gold caps. Porcelain and gold caps will average between $500. to $3,100. in total cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biteme View Post
    One hell of a price, where can I get those gold teeth?
    At the link I provided in the comment.
    http://www.amazon.com/plated-Grillz-.../dp/B005QZM8U4

    I've seen them at local gas station checkouts for cheaper. If you search the net, you'll find tons more.

    As a former dental technician (one who makes crowns, caps, dentures), I can assure you that the crap Trayvon is wearing in the picture is NOT a permanent fixture in his mouth. Cosmetic dentistry such as you linked to is very different than a grill that fits over your teeth and can be removed at will.
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    Click "New Posts" (below the Front Page tab above) to see posts you haven't read.
    Click "Mark Forums Read" on that page to clear the list.

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    Originally Posted by biteme View Post
    Did anyone ever explain or even ask where O'bummers 17 year old 6ft 3inch dream child got the money to pay for gold teeth and tattoos, all quite expensive
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    What assumption did I make?
    Once again why does it matter if he had a fake grill in his mouth?
    Why does it matter if he had tattoos?
    Why are you arguing about the price of a grill?

    Why would anyone have to explain where he got those things from or how he paid for them?

    Sounds like you are assuming he some how paid for this things with illegal money from robbing people or .....

    I can't figure out wtf this has to do with this situation as Zimmerman didn't kill him while he was committing any crime. He was walking down the street with a hoodie on .
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    Quote Originally Posted by gee View Post
    Sounds like you are assuming he some how paid for this things with illegal money from robbing people or .....
    I hate to point this out Geester, but you just made a wild assumption yourself, by assuming that biteme is assuming.
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