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    Trayvon Martin case: 'Blacks are under attack,' says Jesse Jackson

    Guess he didn't hear about these cases, where this guy live in a cave, just comes out to impregnate a few females and start riots?

    http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2011/08/...and-slug-mobs/
    Teens Target Cyclists In ‘Knockout’ Game
    Police say there have been other, similar attacks in the city, and they believe all the victims are picked at random.

    http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/126828998.html
    State Fair melees produce 11 injuries, 31 arrests
    Unprecedented violence on the opening night of the Wisconsin State Fair by rampaging youths prompted extraordinary measures Friday:




    http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/n...,2131299.story
    Trayvon Martin case: 'Blacks are under attack,' says Jesse Jackson

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    Jesse Jackson ain't going back to Detroit after what happened last time:

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    Rev. Jesse Jackson spent a lot of time last month describing the opportunity to rebuild Detroit, but first he'll need to rebuild the 2009 Cadillac Escalade he used while in town.
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    1. Zimmerman called the police to report Martin’s “suspicious” behavior, which he described as “just walking around looking about.” Zimmerman was in his car when he saw Martin walking on the street. He called the police and said: “There’s a real suspicious guy. This guy looks like he’s up to no good, on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around looking about… These a**holes always get away” [Orlando Sentinel]
    2. Zimmerman pursued Martin against the explicit instructions of the police dispatcher:
    Dispatcher: “Are you following him?”
    Zimmerman: “Yeah”
    Dispatcher: “OK, we don’t need you to do that.”
    [Orlando Sentinel]
    3. Prior to the release of the 911 tapes, Zimmerman’s father released a statement claiming “[a]t no time did George follow or confront Mr. Martin.” [Sun Sentinel]
    4. Zimmerman was carrying a a 9 millimeter handgun. Martin was carrying a bag of Skittles and a can of iced tea. [ABC News]
    5. Martin weighed 140 pounds. Zimmerman weighs 250 pounds. [Orlando Sentinel; WDBO]
    6. Martin’s English teacher described him as “as an A and B student who majored in cheerfulness.” [Orlando Sentinel]
    7. Martin had no criminal record. [New York Times]
    8. Zimmerman “was charged in July 2005 with resisting arrest with violence and battery on an officer. The charges appear to have been dropped.” [Huffington Post]
    9. Zimmerman called the police 46 times since Jan. 1, 2011. [Miami Herald]
    10. According to neighbors, Zimmerman was “fixated on crime and focused on young, black males.” [Miami Herald]
    11. Zimmerman “had been the subject of complaints by neighbors in his gated community for aggressive tactics” [Huffington Post]
    12. A police officer “corrected” a key witness. “The officer told the witness, a long-time teacher, it was Zimmerman who cried for help, said the witness. ABC News has spoken to the teacher and she confirmed that the officer corrected her when she said she heard the teenager shout for help.” [ABC News]
    13. Three witnesses say they heard a boy cry for help before a shot was fired. “Three witnesses contacted by The Miami Herald say they saw or heard the moments before and after the Miami Gardens teenager’s killing. All three said they heard the last howl for help from a despondent boy.” [Miami Herald]
    14. The officer in charge of the crime scene also received criticism in 2010 when he initially failed to arrest a lieutenant’s son who was videotaped attacking a homeless black man. [New York Times]
    15. The police did not test Zimmerman for drugs or alcohol. A law enforcement expert told ABC that Zimmerman sounds intoxicated on the 911 tapes. Drug and alcohol testing is “standard procedure in most homicide investigations.” [ABC News]
    16. In a cell phone call moments before his death, Martin told a teenage girl that he was “hounded by a strange man on a cellphone who ran after him, cornered him and confronted him.” “‘He said this man was watching him, so he put his hoodie on. He said he lost the man,’ Martin’s friend said. ‘I asked Trayvon to run, and he said he was going to walk fast. I told him to run but he said he was not going to run.’ Eventually he would run, said the girl, thinking that he’d managed to escape. But suddenly the strange man was back, cornering Martin. ‘Trayvon said, ‘What, are you following me for,’ and the man said, ‘What are you doing here.’” [ABC News]
    17. Police have Trayvon Martin’s cell phone but never contact his girlfriend.[Miami Herald]
    18. Zimmerman told the police “he had stepped out of his truck to check the name of the street he was on when Trayvon attacked him from behind as he walked back to his truck.” “He said he feared for his life and fired the semiautomatic handgun he was licensed to carry because he feared for his life.” [Miami Herald]
    19. The incident occurred in a tiny gated community Zimmerman patrolled regularly. [Miami Herald]
    20. Zimmerman was not a member of a registered Neighborhood Watch group. Zimmerman also violated basic Neighborhood Watch guidelines by carrying a weapon. [ABC News]
    21. The police reports were amended to bolster Zimmerman’s claim of self defense. “Initial police reports never mentioned that Zimmerman had a bloody nose or a wet shirt that showed evidence of a struggle.” [Miami Herald]
    22. Police ignored witness whose account was different from Zimmerman’s.“One of the witnesses who heard the crying said she called a detective repeatedly, but said he was not interested because her account differed from Zimmerman’s.” [Miami Herald]
    23. Zimmerman still has a permit to carry a concealed weapon in the State of Florida. [ThinkProgress]
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    Said tonight on Nightline that Zimmermans feeling the heat and saw a lawyer today for the first time
    Im hoping hes going to be arrested soon

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    Quote Originally Posted by biteme View Post
    Yes, the government can and does. People have been arrested for instigating riots just for tweeting about rioting
    So why does it count as free speech for this asshole?
    Like the KKK has the right to say what they want, Farrakhan can say what he wants. Unless he is actually enticing a riot let him squawk. A tweet is far from enciting a riot. He couldnt get a crowd to riot if he had to. Anyone that follows either one of them is so far on the outer fringe, they can be discounted to find the mean and average opinion.
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    Hoodies,
    lets pretend like there is no stigma with hoodies.

    If you are white in Oakland CA, and you are approached by a person in a hoodie, you had better beware. It is a known fact that dopeslingers and gangs wear hoodies to keep from being identified and be more anonymous. It is gangster and these kids are emulating it. Whether they are selling dope or not. Just like kids that sag their pants are mimicking prisoners. they may not know it, but they are. That's where it comes from. No belts in prison. Sagging and bagging insulates you have done time.

    A kid walking around with a hoodie on will raise more suspicion than not. I know I am generalizing but for the most part hoodies instill fear when strangers meet in the dark.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dakota Valkyrie View Post
    Ususally, in fight, the agressor is the person that punches first. Not the smart aleck that goaded the person into it.

    That's where I get caught up. While most anyone would be fearful of being followed, Zimmerman was also within his rights to be wary of strangers in his neighborhood. Even a registered & trained Neighborhood Watch would do the same. It could just as likely be said that Trayvon acted agressively by approaching Trayvon and punching him. Neither had an obligation to retreat. Neither had an obligation to not defend themselves. And Trayvon does sound like he was getting the better of Zimmerman when he was shot.

    Not that I agree with it at all, I just can't figure out where the stupid Florida law will come down on it.
    Was it Trayvon who struck first? I thought the girlfriend (who the police have yet to interview or get a statement from) who was actually on the phone with Trayvon at the time has indicated that she heard Trayvon ask, "why are you following me" followed by Trayvon being shoved and hitting the ground which caused the cell call to be lost and then she could not reach him again.

    It seems to me that she would be a critical piece of determining what actually occured as she holds the "other side" of the story outside of simply the watch-captains story on how it went down at the beginning.
    There is the one guy who says Trayvon was on top hitting the other guy when he came accross the scene, but that doesn't mean Trayvon was the initial aggressor. Some dude follows me, knocks me down (as per the girlfriend witness via cell phone), you can bet your butt I'm going to start pounding on him in all hopes of getting the hell away. I'd argue that any normal person would.

    Why didn't the police gets statements from this lass? That should have been critical. This "investigation" has been screwed from the get-go. There's also talk from the 13 year old boy about the police telling him that it must have been the watch captain, not Trayvon like the child stated, who was yelling for help. I, personally, think that the police bought the story right from the get go and formed a conclusion and then "investigated" with that conclusion already predetermined and set in their minds.

    Sadly, in this case, that predetermined conclusion doesn't seem to be actually "as it occurred" however.
    Last edited by golanvern; March 24th, 2012 at 05:54 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by golanvern View Post
    Was it Trayvon who struck first? I thought the girlfriend (who the police have yet to interview or get a statement from) who was actually on the phone with Trayvon at the time has indicated that she heard Trayvon ask, "why are you following me" followed by Trayvon being shoved and hitting the ground which caused the cell call to be lost and then she could not reach him again.
    She is just an "ear witness". She can only assume who was doing what as she couldn't see the physical actions of either person on the other end. She has every reason for bias as Zimmerman does in saying who did what first. Any good defense lawyer could point that out and reason that the call was dropped because Trayvon was using his hands to lash out at Zimmerman

    Not that I know which way it went down, just trying to look at the evidence without the color of the emotions I feel.

    The girl said that, during the phone call, she heard someone ask Martin what he was doing and heard Martin ask why the person was following him, Crump said. The girl then got the impression that there was an altercation in which the earpiece fell out of Martin's ear and the connection went dead, Crump said.

    Based on what she heard, the girl believes that Martin was pushed, said Crump, who added that the girl did not hear any gunfire.
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    No matter what your opinion is so far, this article is very interesting concerning the merits of why this case is far from a slam dunk.

    Defence attorney explains how lack of forensic evidence would complicate potential prosecution of George Zimmerman

    Florida prosecutors face significant hurdles building a case against the man who killed Trayvon Martin, a legal expert has told the Guardian.

    Jonathan Turley, a professor at George Washington University and a defence attorney, said the case had several “murky” elements which are likely to prove difficult for the prosecution, including within the 911 tape which appears to suggest Zimmerman was the one in pursuit of Martin.

    Turley said the evidence was not nearly as conclusive of guilt as many people have assumed. “Some parts of the 911 tape would work to the disadvantage of Zimmerman, others to his advantage,” he said. “It would be a very difficult case for the prosecution without more evidence.”

    He added: “We haven’t seen any of the forensic evidence, which is the key.”

    Turley, who has written a blog about the case exploring the 911 tape, said it included elements in Zimmerman’s favour:

    It has him ignoring requests not to follow Martin but it includes a portion where he is saying that Martin is approaching him. We have heard reports that Zimmerman was bleeding as the result of a struggle. Zimmerman was a big individual and was armed. It’s difficult to believe because of his size and the fact that he was armed that he felt in imminent threat of death. But lawyers could point to the tape showing that Zimmerman believed Martin might be armed. That Martin was moving towards him and checking him out. All of that is likely to be playing to a jury with the question of intend and whether he had a reasonable fear of serious injury or death.

    At one point in the tape, Zimmerman refers to Martin’s hand in his waistband.

    Turley believes that the case is going to turn on classic criminal defence elements under common law, where an individual is allowed to use lethal force if they fear injury or death.

    “You lose that defence if you are the aggressor or if you do not have a reasonable basis for fear or serious harm or death. Even if he is not the aggressor there will remain the question of escalation or confrontation.”

    The key difficulty, said Turley, is the “maddening gap” of evidence at the critical time of confrontation.

    “At what point does a physical struggle justify the use of lethal force? If I was the defence counsel in the case, the first thing I would do is the trajectory of the bullet, how close it was to Martin, where it was fired.”

    Turley said the racial element is unclear. In the 911 tape, Zimmerman says “He looks black” and then says “he’s a black male”.

    “The Zimmerman family have denied any racial element. On the tape he initially appears not to know the race, but then later does. All of these elements are murky.”

    Nevertheless, Turley believes there was enough evidence to arrest Zimmerman and to secure an indictment.

    “Police would have been on solid grounds to arrest him. You have an unarmed teenager and someone who does not comply with a request that he not follow Martin.

    “That doesn’t mean there’s enough evidence to secure a conviction.”

    Even under Florida’s Stand Your Ground law, Turley said, Zimmerman, if indicted, would still have to demonstrate he had a reasonable fear of death or serious injury.
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    I can't get passed this hoodie situation @malq I must live somewhere sheltered because it's ridiculous to me that anyone is threatened by a person wearing a hoodie. Trayvon was walking in the rain. It makes sense he'd put it over his head. Rain and some dude following him.

    What's next? Black people are going to stop training their waves because a du rang is going to be considered a gansta look?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockin Ma View Post
    I can't get passed this hoodie situation @malq I must live somewhere sheltered because it's ridiculous to me that anyone is threatened by a person wearing a hoodie. Trayvon was walking in the rain. It makes sense he'd put it over his head. Rain and some dude following him.

    What's next? Black people are going to stop training their waves because a du rang is going to be considered a gansta look?
    It is only an assumption by people that the hoodie or black is what drew Zimmerman's attention. The fact of the matter is that the history of crimes in the area (of which Zimmerman was well aware of) would make most people suspicious of a anyone matching descriptions of the alleged perpetrators of those crimes or those not matching the usual activity of the area.

    If I lived in an area that had had a series of break ins done by tall skinny redheaded women (for example), I would take a serious look at anyone matching that description. Even without a description of the thieves, I would look closely at anyone out I didn't recognize that was out and about in unusual circumstances. I am no mind reader and could not possibly know that the person looking to walk aimlessly down our road was actually looking for a lost dog or some other totally innocent explanation. Granted, I wouldn't approach them but if I had a gun, I might have more stupid bravado. Hubby would approach even without a gun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockin Ma View Post
    I can't get passed this hoodie situation @malq I must live somewhere sheltered because it's ridiculous to me that anyone is threatened by a person wearing a hoodie. Trayvon was walking in the rain. It makes sense he'd put it over his head. Rain and some dude following him.

    What's next? Black people are going to stop training their waves because a du rang is going to be considered a gansta look?
    You cant get past what? That people that sell dope on streetcorners often wear hoodies to hide themselves?, In July?
    You seem to be insinuating I am saying people who wear hoodies are bad. Treyon had a hoodie He was black so black people are bad. Don't throw that on me. I am speaking generally. You are the one throwing black people in the mix.

    If I see someone out of place wearing a hoodie, you bet I think they are prolly up to no good. Just visit any project or go to where drugs are sold. If you think there is no stigma with hoodies you are in a bubble or have blinders.
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    Zimmerman's lawyer: 'Stand your ground' doesn't apply in Trayvon Martin case
    Sanford, Florida (CNN) -- A lawyer for the man at the center of the Trayvon Martin death investigation said Florida's "stand your ground" law doesn't apply to the shooting that killed the unarmed teen.

    "In my legal opinion, that's not really applicable to this case. The statute on 'stand your ground' is primarily when you're in your house," said Craig Sonner, attorney for George Zimmerman.

    "This is self-defense, and that's been around for forever -- that you have a right to defend yourself. So the next issue (that) is going to come up is, was he justified in using the amount of force he did?"

    [...]
    The 2005 law allows people to use deadly force anywhere they have a right to be if they have reasonable fear an assailant could seriously harm them or someone else.

    It also eliminated a long-standing "duty to retreat" in the face of imminent harm, asserting that would-be crime victims have the right to "stand their ground" and "meet force with force" when attacked.

    Although a grand jury is scheduled to convene April 10 to look into the case, authorities have declined to arrest Zimmerman, sparking a national debate over the law and concerns about racial profiling.

    The Sanford Police Department said officers were prohibited from arresting Zimmerman the night of the shooting because physical evidence and testimony supported his claim that he acted in self-defense. The police department gave the explanation to City Manager Norton Bonaparte, who included it in a letter to the community about the case, posted on the city's website.

    Authorities say they still have no information to contradict Zimmerman's story. He said while he was patrolling his gated community, he saw Martin walking in the neighborhood and called 911 to report a suspicious person.

    [...]
    "Zimmerman's statement was that he had lost sight of Trayvon and was returning to his truck to meet the police officer when he says he was attacked by Trayvon," the police said in the letter posted by Bonaparte.

    Sonner says his client was injured that night with a broken nose and a serious cut on the back of his head. He said the injuries "were from Trayvon Martin, I assume."

    The family of Zimmerman, a white Hispanic, says he has been wrongly described as a racist.

    Zimmerman's attorney said he doesn't see anything that indicates his client is a racist.

    Sonner said Zimmerman and his wife served as mentors to two teenage children of an African-American woman. Though funding was cut for the program under which they cared for the teenagers, the couple continued their efforts on their own, taking the 13-year-old girl and 14-year-old boy on outings to a mall, a science center and a basketball game. They also helped in a fund-raiser for a predominantly African-American church, the lawyer said.

    "I do not believe that's the indication of a person who's a racist," Sonner said.

    President Barack Obama praised Florida Gov. Rick Scott's decision to create a task force to review the "stand your ground" law and said it would be important to "examine the laws and the context for what happened as well as the specifics of the incident."

    [...]
    The teenager's parents, Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton, said in a statement that it was "humbling" that Obama talked about their son. "The president's personal comments touch us deeply and made us wonder: If his son looked like Trayvon and wore a hoodie, would he be suspicious, too?"

    [...]
    Sonner said he and Zimmerman have not discussed what happened the night Martin was shot, though he said Zimmerman has talked with authorities -- unaccompanied by counsel -- whenever they have asked him to do so.

    [...]
    Sonner said he advised his client to keep a low profile, as "I believe his life is in danger."

    "This case is spinning out of control," he said. "I hope there's a way to rein things in so it doesn't become an issue of a racial battle. I hope that things come back so that there can be a time for justice and for healing and not for just skipping the whole judicial process and going straight to sentencing."

    Police are holding the gun used in the shooting as evidence, he said.

    "Whatever transpired that night, it's unfortunate that there's a young man in the prime of his life that was left dead," Sonner said.

    Heated debate has erupted over whether Zimmerman used a racial slur during the 911 call, which was released this week.

    A top CNN audio engineer enhanced the sound of the 911 call, and several members of CNN's editorial staff repeatedly reviewed the tape but could reach no consensus.

    Whether Zimmerman used such language before shooting Martin is key, according to CNN senior legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin.

    "It's extremely, extremely significant because the federal government is not allowed to prosecute just your ordinary, everyday murder," he said. "Two people fighting on the street is not a federal crime. However, if one person shoots another based on racial hostility, racial animus, that does become a federal crime."

    A special prosecutor appointed by the governor, Angela Corey, said Friday that her office can charge Zimmerman, clear him, or send the case to the grand jury.

    Protests about the case took place across the country Friday. Congressional staffers rallied in an event dubbed "Hoodies on the Hill" organized by several staff organizations, while students walked out of classes at six Miami-area high schools to protest police handling of the case and demand changes in Florida's law.

    [...]
    More demonstrations are planned for this weekend in New York, South Carolina and Virginia, as well as for Monday in Sanford and Atlanta.

    Amid the protests and calls for reform, some Florida lawmakers said it was time to revisit the 2005 "stand your ground" law that eliminated a long-standing provision requiring people facing danger outside of their homes to first attempt to retreat before meeting a threat with force.

    Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, who signed the bill into law, said Friday he also does not believe the law applies to the case.

    "Stand your ground means stand your ground. It doesn't mean chase after somebody who's turned their back," Bush said while visiting a university campus in Texas.

    Since the law's adoption, the number of justifiable homicide rulings in Florida has nearly tripled, according to the state Department of Law Enforcement.

    "We foretold that this would happen while we debated this law, and a lot of us voted against it," Florida state Rep. Christopher Smith, a Democrat, said Friday. "They turned a blind eye to it. But now that America's looking at Florida, now people are starting to react and starting to really recognize what we were saying back in 2005 in the Florida House."

    But a co-sponsor of the law, Sen. Dennis Baxley, R-Ocala, said the law was not at fault. He credited the statute for a "serious decrease" in violent crime.

    Baxley said it is up to the grand jury to decide whether any laws were broken, but he left no doubt where he stands.

    "Quite frankly, anyone who steps out in a pursuit in a confrontational mode with a firearm? That's not a self-protection act. You've initiated something."

    The incident has damaged relations between the Sanford Police Department and the city's African-American residents, Bonaparte, the city manager, said Friday.

    The depths to which community relations had sunk was underscored by the arrest Friday of a 68-year-old Melbourne Beach white man for allegedly threatening to harm Bill Lee, who stepped down "temporarily" on Thursday as Sanford's police chief.
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    http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/24/justic...html?hpt=ju_c2
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    Quote Originally Posted by malq View Post
    You cant get past what? That people that sell dope on streetcorners often wear hoodies to hide themselves?, In July?
    You seem to be insinuating I am saying people who wear hoodies are bad. Treyon had a hoodie He was black so black people are bad. Don't throw that on me. I am speaking generally. You are the one throwing black people in the mix.

    If I see someone out of place wearing a hoodie, you bet I think they are prolly up to no good. Just visit any project or go to where drugs are sold. If you think there is no stigma with hoodies you are in a bubble or have blinders.
    You misunderstand. I'm not throwing anything on you. Believe me, I have no blinders or bubble. The same way you think race is being thrown into it unnecessarily, I think making note of what he was wearing does too. Perhaps where I'm from is far different than the rest of the world, but I didn't think so. Drug dealers don't hang on the streets with their hoodies over their heads. There's no point to it. If you sit on the street and sell drugs, the police know who you are and are going to recognize you no matter what you are wearing. It's dumb to associate it with someone up to no good when EVERYBODY has one.

    Just like the sagging of the pants. Malq, it's a myth. They are not emulating people in jail 30 years ago when they had no elastic in their pants. South Pole, Roca Wear, Def Jam, Marc Ecko, Akademics are all brands that make baggy jeans. If you look at them nowadays you will see that the pockets are set lower to give the appearance of a sag and the waist is at the normal place. Even that style is fading. Most the kids now you see boxers sticking out of their pants are skater type looks wearing skinny jeans Lil Wayne's brand makes them like that just to name a brand off hand but you can buy them at any Zumies, Pac Sun or Hot Topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dakota Valkyrie View Post
    She is just an "ear witness". She can only assume who was doing what as she couldn't see the physical actions of either person on the other end. She has every reason for bias as Zimmerman does in saying who did what first. Any good defense lawyer could point that out and reason that the call was dropped because Trayvon was using his hands to lash out at Zimmerman

    Not that I know which way it went down, just trying to look at the evidence without the color of the emotions I feel.

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/20/justic...html?hpt=ju_c2
    I absolutely agree, but that still doesn't explain why the investigators have failed to get a statement from her to date. Lots of witness' who have differing versions of events who have stated that investigators have brushed them off. One kid who was actually interviewed by police that night says he "was corrected" by police that very night who told him that he must actually have heard the shooter calling for help not the victim. And, people who witnessed that correction of the witness.

    And those things all occurred long before this became a big, or even known media story. This tragedy occurred 2 weeks before any of this hit the news ... and it only hit the news precisely because of the parents making it public that the police weren't following up on witness' whose stories conflicted with the "official version" and when they learned that police had corrected a witness statement the very night it happened ... and still hadn't spoke to the girlfriend.

    These dissenters are not now just coming forward in "bias" because of the media coverage, they approached the police and the family long before that coverage. And none of it was followed up; it was simple, "we can't do anything because it's what he claims". Who's actually biased here? Witnesses who are saying the same stories they were before it became a media circus? Or the police who have brushed off those dissenting statements, corrected those witness' and by doing so, have therefore directly caused the media circus because the family came forward to say, "this doesn't match up? What happened to our son? Where's the investigation?" An investigation is only an investigation when all witnesses are questioned and all the facts and statements are considered ... not just those the police chose to pick and choose.

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    Yikes. Our military unit wears hoodie sweatshirts for physical training. We put our hoods up when it rains. We wear them when it's cold.

    Gangster Clothing? So are suits with hats I guess.

    I have seen pics of my mother's University track team from the 60s ... with hoodie sweatsuits; that's long before any formed group of thugs started wearing them in some "gangster manner".

    Hoodies are gangster clothing? That's really digging for justification me thinks. Hoodies no more signify "gangster" than my red hair signals "evil step-mother or step-child".

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    Hoodies are gangster clothing? That's really digging for justification me thinks. Hoodies no more signify "gangster" than my red hair signals "evil step-mother or step-child".
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    Quote Originally Posted by golanvern View Post
    I absolutely agree, but that still doesn't explain why the investigators have failed to get a statement from her to date.
    Part of the problem is people not understanding the process. No arrest "right that second" does not mean that no arrest will never be made. Just as an immediate arrest does not mean that charges will ever be brought against someone.

    Very simply and as I understand it:

    During the initial period after the incident, the police had no reason to disbelieve Zimmerman's account of the incident. That happens all the time in cases where there is no clear cut immediate indication from the available evidence on scene. A County DA was contacted that night who concurred with the idea that there was no cause for arrest.

    The case then goes into the hands of the DA/States Attorneys office for further investigation. This is also a common occurrence that we often see. That office then decides to charge, not charge, or take the evidence to a Grand Jury and let them decide. In this case, they opted to go to the Grand Jury. Also not an odd procedure in jurisprudence. (In some jurisdictions, Grand Juries are also used to by-pass the public Preliminary Hearing for arrested individuals.)

    Florida Grand Juries:
    The grand jury's primary role is to determine whether sufficient evidence exists to justify indicting an accused individual. To make such determinations, a grand jury also serves as an investigating body with subpoena powers. In Florida, a grand jury indictment is required only to try a person for a capital offense; i.e., one where the death penalty may be given. Otherwise, the state attorney has concurrent authority to file a formal accusation of the commission of a crime (an "information"). The information is used routinely to charge individuals in Florida. In addition to capital cases, grand juries often are utilized for controversial cases such as those involving alleged wrongdoing by public officials.
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    Grand Jury proceedings are closed to the public and the only the prosecution side is presented (no defense). There is a subpoena for the girlfriend to appear before the Grand Jury. By the time the public reports of her conversation were made, the decision to present to a Grand Jury had already been made.

    In addition to the Grand Jury, there are parallel investigations occurring by various agencies. They will all eventually get around to asking all relative people for their evidence. They each have their own process to go through and none of it is going to happen right this instant.


    On a side note, I can not count how many cases featured on this site that had no arrests until Grand Jury indictments.
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    Has anyone else noticed the lack of a statement of remorse from the Zimmerman camp?
    I find that quite telling. I wonder when he lost his soul or if he ever had one to begin with.
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    Great post DV. Everything you posted was perfect. Patience is hard to practice when you are outraged...or having faith the Florida judicial process will work in favor of the kid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMorningStar View Post
    Has anyone else noticed the lack of a statement of remorse from the Zimmerman camp?
    I find that quite telling. I wonder when he lost his soul or if he ever had one to begin with.

    Yep. I noticed that not only has he not expressed remorse but his family issued a statement and I did not click the link so I may not have read the whole thing, but it certainly didn't convey any sympathy for the victim because it looked like they think Zimmerman is the victim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockin Ma View Post
    Yep. I noticed that not only has he not expressed remorse but his family issued a statement and I did not click the link ...
    You missed this, then:
    The tragic events of February 26 are very sad for all concerned. The Martin family, our family, and the entire community have been forever changed.
    [...]

    Our entire family is deeply sorry for the loss of Trayvon. We pray for the Martin family daily. We also pray that the community will grieve together and not be divided by more unwarranted hate.
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    Zimmerman himself has not spoken publicly on ANY aspect of the case. It doesn't really matter anyway as few would believe him even if he spoke the truth and from his heart. It's not like you can say "Sorry" and it all goes away.

    If Zimmerman had been "African American", instead of "white Hispanic", he would have been just as much an asshole in the situation. I don't see color or hoodies being the issue except in the minds of folks wishing to flame the masses... as if the facts (as we know them) are not enough to get us riled up??
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    Members of the New Black Panther Party are offering a $10,000 reward for the "capture" of George Zimmerman, the Neighborhood Watch volunteer who shot Trayvon Martin.

    New Black Panther leader Mikhail Muhammad announced the reward during a protest in Sanford Saturday. And when asked whether he was inciting violence, Muhammad replied defiantly: "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth."

    The bounty announcement came moments after members of the group called for the mobilization of 10,000 black men to capture Zimmerman, who shot Trayvon in a gated Sanford community on Feb. 26.

    Muhammad said members of his group would search for Zimmerman themselves in Maitland — where the 28-year old worked before the shooting, employees there told the Orlando Sentinel. He declined to say when the group would begin their search.

    Muhammad said the group's national chairman, Dr. Malik Zulu Shabaz of Washington, D.C. is receiving donations from black entertainers and athletes. They hope to collect $1 million by next week, Muhammad said.
    [...]

    Muhammed led the group in chanting "Justice for Trayvon!" and "Black Power!"

    "If the government won't do the job, we'll do it," Muhammad said, leading his group of eight party members in chants like "freedom or death" and "justice for Trayvon" while making the iconic gesture of raising their fists into the air.
    [...]

    The party members said they are tired of the inaction of government officials — from Sanford city officials up to the Governor, accusing them of lying and delaying justice.

    They accused newly-appointed special prosecutor Angela Corley of being an enemy of the black community.

    "She has a track record of sending innocent young black men and women to prison," he said.

    Sanford police arrived toward the end of the demonstration Saturday asking onlookers and media to avoid walking into the street in front of The Retreat at Twin Lakes where Trayvon was killed.

    As the officer walked back to his cruiser, Muhammad berated and pointed angrily at him saying "If you'd had shown this much concern, Trayvon may still be alive today."
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    Trayvon Martin, my son, and the Black Male Code

    I thought my son would be much older before I had to tell him about the Black Male Code. He's only 12, still sleeping with stuffed animals, still afraid of the dark. But after the Trayvon Martin tragedy, I needed to explain to my child that soon people might be afraid of him.

    We were in the car on the way to school when a story about Martin came on the radio. "The guy who killed him should get arrested.

    The dead guy was unarmed!" my son said after hearing that neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman had claimed self-defense in the shooting in Sanford, Fla.

    We listened to the rest of the story, describing how Zimmerman had spotted Martin, who was 17, walking home from the store on a rainy night, the hood of his sweatshirt pulled over his head. When it was over, I turned off the radio and told my son about the rules he needs to follow to avoid becoming another Trayvon Martin — a black male who Zimmerman assumed was "suspicious" and "up to no good."

    As I explained it, the Code goes like this:

    Always pay close attention to your surroundings, son, especially if you are in an affluent neighborhood where black folks are few.

    Understand that even though you are not a criminal, some people might assume you are, especially if you are wearing certain clothes.

    Never argue with police, but protect your dignity and take pride in humility. When confronted by someone with a badge or a gun, do not flee, fight, or put your hands anywhere other than up.

    Please don't assume, son, that all white people view you as a threat. America is better than that. Suspicion and bitterness can imprison you. But as a black male, you must go above and beyond to show strangers what type of person you really are.

    I was far from alone in laying out these instructions. Across the country this week, parents were talking to their children, especially their black sons, about the Code. It's a talk the black community has passed down for generations, an evolving oral tradition from the days when an errant remark could easily cost black people their job, their freedom, or sometimes their life.

    After Trayvon Martin was killed, Al Dotson Jr., a lawyer in Miami and chairman of the 100 Black Men of America organization, told his 14-year-old son that he should always be aware of his surroundings, and of the fact that people might view him differently "because he's blessed to be an African-American."

    "It requires a sixth sense that not everyone needs to have," Dotson said.

    Dotson, 51, remembers receiving his own instructions as a youth, and hearing those instructions evolve over time.

    His grandparents told Dotson that when dealing with authority figures, make it clear you are no threat at all — an attitude verging on submissive. Later, Dotson's parents told him to respond with respect and not be combative.

    Today, Dotson tells his children that they should always be respectful, but should not tolerate being disrespected — which would have been recklessly bold in his grandparents' era.

    Yet Dotson still has fears about the safety of his children, "about them understanding who they are and where they are, and how to respond to the environment they are in."

    Bill Stephney, a media executive who lives in a New Jersey suburb that is mostly white and Asian, has two sons, ages 18 and 13. The Martin killing was an opportunity for him to repeat a longtime lesson: Black men can get singled out, "so please conduct yourself accordingly."

    Like Dotson, Stephney mentioned an ultra-awareness — "a racial Spidey sense, a tingling" — that his sons should heed when stereotyping might place them in danger.

    One night in the early 1980s, while a student at Adelphi University on Long Island, Stephney and about a dozen other hip-hop aficionados went to White Castle after their late-night DJ gig. They were gathered in the parking lot, eating and talking, when a squadron of police cars swooped in and a helicopter rumbled overhead.

    "We got a report that a riot was going on," police told them.

    Stephney and his crew used to talk late into the night about how black men in New York were besieged by violence — graffiti artist Michael Stewart's death after a rough arrest in 1983; Bernhard Goetz shooting four young black men who allegedly tried to mug him on the subway in 1984; Michael Griffith killed by a car while being chased by a white mob in 1986; the crack epidemic that rained black-on-black violence on the city. They felt under attack, as if society considered them the enemy.

    This is how the legendary rap group Public Enemy was born. Their logo: A young black man in the crosshairs of a gun sight.

    "Fast forward 25 years later," Stephney said. "We've come a long way to get nowhere."

    But what about that long road traveled, which took a black man all
    the way to the White House? I can hear some of my white friends now: What evidence is there that Trayvon Martin caught George Zimmerman's attention — and his bullet — because of his race?

    Lynching is a relic of the past, so why are you teaching your son to be so paranoid?

    There is a difference between paranoia and protection. Much evidence shows that black males face unique risks: Psychological studies indicate they are often perceived as threatening; here in Philadelphia, police stop-and-frisk tactics overwhelmingly target African-Americans, according to a lawsuit settled by the city; research suggests that people are more likely to believe a poorly seen object is a gun if it's held by a black person.

    Yes, it was way back in 1955 when 14-year-old Emmitt Till was murdered in Mississippi for flirting with a white woman. But it was last Wednesday when a white Mississippi teenager pleaded guilty to murder for seeking out a black victim, coming across a man named James Craig Anderson, and running him over with his pickup truck.

    Faced with this information, I'm doing what any responsible parent would do: Teaching my son how to protect himself.

    Still, it requires a delicate balance. Steve Bumbaugh, a foundation director in Los Angeles, encourages his 8- and 5-year-old sons to talk to police officers, "and to otherwise develop a good relationship with the people and institutions that have the potential to give them trouble. I think this is the best defense."

    "I don't want them to actually think that they are viewed suspiciously or treated differently," Bumbaugh said. "I think that realization breeds resentment and anger. And that can contribute to dangerous situations."

    His sons are large for their age, however.

    "I'm probably naive to think that they won't realize they're viewed differently when they're 6-4 and 200 pounds," Bumbaugh said, "but I'm going to try anyway."

    I am 6-4 and more than 200 pounds, son. You probably will be too. Depending on how we dress, act and speak, people might make negative assumptions about us. That doesn't mean they must be racist; it means they must be human.

    Let me tell you a story, son, about a time when I forgot about the Black Male Code.

    One morning I left our car at the shop for repairs. I was walking home through our quiet suburban neighborhood, in a cold drizzle, wearing an all-black sweatsuit with the hood pulled over my head.

    From two blocks away, I saw your mother pull out of our driveway and roll towards me. When she stopped next to me and rolled down the window, her brown face was full of laughter.

    "When I saw you from up the street," your mother told me, "I said to myself, what is that guy doing in our neighborhood?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by golanvern View Post
    Hoodies are gangster clothing? That's really digging for justification me thinks. Hoodies no more signify "gangster" than my red hair signals "evil step-mother or step-child".
    lol at the red hair remark! I'm a red head too. But I want to add...no more than wearing a trenchcoat signifies school shooter. I also wish I could see more white people in the crowds,..although they might actually be afraid to join one. I just think we all should be angry about this, not just certain people. Zimmerman should be arrested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockin Ma View Post
    You misunderstand. I'm not throwing anything on you. Believe me, I have no blinders or bubble. The same way you think race is being thrown into it unnecessarily, I think making note of what he was wearing does too. Perhaps where I'm from is far different than the rest of the world, but I didn't think so. Drug dealers don't hang on the streets with their hoodies over their heads. There's no point to it. If you sit on the street and sell drugs, the police know who you are and are going to recognize you no matter what you are wearing. It's dumb to associate it with someone up to no good when EVERYBODY has one.

    Just like the sagging of the pants. Malq, it's a myth. They are not emulating people in jail 30 years ago when they had no elastic in their pants. South Pole, Roca Wear, Def Jam, Marc Ecko, Akademics are all brands that make baggy jeans. If you look at them nowadays you will see that the pockets are set lower to give the appearance of a sag and the waist is at the normal place. Even that style is fading. Most the kids now you see boxers sticking out of their pants are skater type looks wearing skinny jeans Lil Wayne's brand makes them like that just to name a brand off hand but you can buy them at any Zumies, Pac Sun or Hot Topic.
    I am not interested in perceived racism, the technicalities of hoodies and whether or not a clothes mfg makes baggy pants to
    emulate prison culture because that is what sells. It's a waste of time.

    Really, I am only interested in the legalities of this case. That's all that really matters. When all the dust settles and everyone calms down nationally, this will be about if Zimmerman legally killed him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMorningStar View Post
    Has anyone else noticed the lack of a statement of remorse from the Zimmerman camp?
    I find that quite telling. I wonder when he lost his soul or if he ever had one to begin with.
    No, I have read several places where there have been statements from the Zimmerman camp expressing sympathy for the tragedy.

    Why would he apologize or show remorse? If his stance is, it was self defense, he doesn't owe anyone any apologies or remorse. If I had to kill someone in self defense, there would be no apologies from me. I did it because I had to, otherwise I would not have done it. Although I would have sympathy for the family.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockin Ma View Post
    Hoodies are far from gangster to me. I threw one on to watch some father son basketball today. It's gray, it's a Champion brand one. I see people jogging in them all the time. I bet if I want to be aware of it I will see people in them every day. My dad wears a Giants hoodie and all three of us got Hershey Park ones when we went there. It's a common sort of clothing worn by most everyone.

    Not really interested in debating who was in the wrong here, but come on. I have to disagree just a bit. Which is more menacing to you..............





    Not even being racist here. Imagine those teens as Hispanic, or white. Your clothes matter. Dress thug, perceived as thugs. Dress nice,, perceived as nice. Right or wrong, it is what it is.
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    Yeah, I have to agree. No matter how much we don't like it, appearances matter. People make judgement on what your skin color is, what you wear, speak and how you look.

    Hubs does a lot of interviewing and said that clearly the first thing, it IS how you present yourself, matters a lot even if you are the brightest most qualified person. I said myself, in a post that a hoodie should not be considered suspicious but truth is this simple, every day attire has become associated with thug like wear. It's dangerous, naive to dismiss the facts on how one is perceived and ultimately judged.

    My personal opinion is that this asshole judged first on race, secondly on what the kid was wearing and behaving. I am not by any means saying it's OK, justifies what he did but that we live in a world of judgments, a world of stupid people with judgments, and of those, many carry guns.

    It has to be discussed what lead to these events if we are to understand fully why it happened.
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    What amazes me is not only is he Hispanic...but he is a White Hispanic! WTF?????
    What will be next?

    This is getting to much over the top...was a crime committed we do not know yet by whom.
    What happen to innocent until proven guilty? If Zimmerman did what is ALLEGED then try him for murder. Until then having the Black Panthers put a bounty on his head is LUDICROUS! Spike Lee twittering Zimmerman's home address...REALLY?
    Now you have the two worse race baiters in on it Sharpton & Jackson! There seems to be no hope for this country everything is about race. I for one am sick & tired of it! You know what scares me is the fact that this gets to be a frenzy & riots start! This is a no win situation for anyone!
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