Nigel Robinson reported child porn, banned from being alone with 8yo daughter.

[Marv]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-daughter.html

A father who claims he accidentally downloaded child porn has been banned from seeing his eight-year-old daughter.

Nigel Robinson, 43, was trying to get music off a file sharing website when he says he inadvertently opened up indecent images of young girls.

He immediately alerted his wife, Liz, 33, who suggested calling the police.

But now he is not allowed to be alone with his eight-year-old daughter while an investigation is carried out.

The council have imposed an indefinite ban - but it will be lifted if he is cleared.

The scaffolder said: 'I was trying to get a new album by Slash by downloading it from the web.

'When I opened the folder, I realised all the files were girls' names. When I opened some of them up, I realised they were young girls.

'I immediately called my wife. I was panicking. I asked her what she thought I should do and her response was to call the police.
[...]


The written agreement with the family is a voluntary arrangement.
[...]

He said: 'I can categorically state 1,000 per cent there will be nothing inappropriate on my computer other than the files I told the police about.

'I can understand there needs to be caution, it is very serious matter, but to be told it may be a year before the conclusion is just madness.

'I cannot take my daughter to the park, swimming or anything. It has been a nightmare.
'I feel like I am guilty until proven innocent. That is not the way I understood the British justice system to work.

'I wish I had just binned the laptop and then none of this would have happened.
[...]

A spokesman for East Riding Council said: 'The council's social care team considers that, on the information it presently has about this case, it is a proportionate response to request that Mr Robinson should not have unsupervised access with his own or other children.

'The council will keep the case under review but cannot comment further as this is an on-going investigation.'

I wonder what would have happened if he had not signed the 'voluntary agreement'? Child taken into care?

[LeaveMeBe]

How awful for this family! Heaven forbid a loving responsible parent have unsupervised access to his child because the protection agency will be watching. However, in the meantime, all the devilish abusive parents have to do is not answer the door and avoid the social workers and they can keep on maiming and torturing their children. This is so fucked up.

[malq]

How awful for this family! Heaven forbid a loving responsible parent have unsupervised access to his child because the protection agency will be watching. However, in the meantime, all the devilish abusive parents have to do is not answer the door and avoid the social workers and they can keep on maiming and torturing their children. This is so fucked up.

Ahhh, tread carefully,

The council's social care team considers that, on the information it presently has about this case, it is a proportionate response to request that Mr Robinson should not have unsupervised access with his own or other children.

It does not make sense that he voluntarily reports it and they sever contact with his children. I suspect there is more to it and they have good reason to separate the dad from kid until proven otherwise. once they go up that laptops ass with a microscope forensically they will know. Either they will look like the grandest jackasses of all time or true doers of good. I would like to think they wouldn't set themselves up as the former.

[Obsolete]

See, this is what you get for trying to save a few bucks by pirating music. He should have forked over a few dollars to iTunes to legally dl the music and he would have avoided this whole situation.

[biteme]

We may eventually know if this was appropriate action or the normal stupid over the top where not needed and therefore not having the man power to be where needed which seems to be the norm. Unfortunately they're secretive about their handling of cases, if they find nothing, they'll just walk away and its over.

I know some feel, you're damed if you do, damed if you don't, but there's a lot more to investigating a case than just dumb luck, and a well managed agency uses it's limited resources responsibly

[LeaveMeBe]

You are absolutely correct. I guess I'm having an overly optimistic day. Thanks for helping me out.

[malq]

I'm not right, just opining. i would be curious to see how this comes out. I have always downloaded so much stuff with reckless abandon, because I can fix any virus so far. I have had tons of malicious viruses, but never any kid porn. I would hate to think that might happen to me. But I am like this guy, I would have to notify the cops. I couldn't just walk away and not go there again.
Seriously, who disseminates child porn like that? if I were a kiddie porner or had possession of some, I wouldn't attach it to downloads and tell on myself.
the more I think about it, the more I think he is lying and he called it in because he was gonna get busted somehow.

[gloomypenguin]

someone... was trying to download A Perfect Circle's debut album Mer De Noms (sea of names...) back in 2000 on Napster (yeah, Napster or maybe Kazaa? or did that come after?) and did it by individual track listing and not the whole album at once... ended up with this anime cat-girl porn that was oddly adorable and graphic... being 14 and female, it was watched a few times in naive horror, and then turned over to a parent in hopes of a rational explanation of 'why?' but instead was given the movie Kids (1995) in lieu of the 'sex talk' and that was followed by a brief, yet effective, summary of what a sexual fetish is.... that was a long time ago.

Maybe. Maybe it could happen if you pay no regard to file type (image vs sound files vs video vs document) or size or file name/comments... Maybe if you go a clicking via torrent clients or 4chan orrrrr something with absolutely no regard and questionable search terms. But I doubt it. His wife probably caught him looking at it and that is what he said. Does Slash even have a new album out? lol.... I have a pretty safe feeling this kind of accident rarely happens and if Slash in fact does have new music, it probably has a grossly seeded torrent out there somewhere, therefore making a download foul is rather hard... that has really only seemed to happen if its two movies of the same title like the movie Crash (2004 about race) and Crash (1996 with James Spader) that are both somewhat popular. Maybe... The only way I see this as an accidental download of this magnitude is if he was trying to really find another kind of extreme pornography and just got the wrong type. In that case, we still need to hide his kids, hide his wife, hide the dog, hide his dead grandma..... Those pigs/cops muuuust have something besides his voluntary confession. Plus, my gut reaction would be to deem the computer 'evil' and throw it out the window and consider living off grid if 'accidentally' downloading something like that was an 'easy' mistake.

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the whole guilty until proven innocent thing does bother me, though. i cant decide if it is worth it in this kind of situation. it does seeeeem worth it, worth the chance to protect the kids if he even might be creepy. but in the general case of restrictions/punishment before all evidence is heard (if this does somehow turn out to be nothing, he's going to lose his job and be shunned by google/commenters/his community) anyway. sometimes it is a witch hunt. we're giving up our constitutional rights for 'maybe' with some of these things. this type of thing? mayyyybe. but better safe than sorry. think josh powell. but can we live in fear? do we assume the worst in people? what to do... what to do...? I can't decide. he needs to be grateful at this point he can see the kids and not bitch that it's unsupervised.

[gloomypenguin]

maybe if he'd been trying to download butthole surfers and not slash i'd have an easier time believing this...

[Obsolete]

maybe if he'd been trying to download butthole surfers and not slash i'd have an easier time believing this...

The title of what he was searching for doesn't matter. If someone saves their kiddie porn under "Mary Poppins" and someone tries to download Mary poppins via file sharing they run the risk of dl'ing that guys kiddie porn.

[VAS1326]

maybe if he'd been trying to download butthole surfers and not slash i'd have an easier time believing this...

Slash is working on a new album from my understanding and he is releasing parts of it while it's being made or something like that. I heard it on the radio when taking my son to pre-school this morning. They said you could go to the website and follow the progress of the new album or something like that (not a Slash fan so I wasn't paying too much attention) So maybe this guy thought he was getting it before you could buy it and therefore was downloading boot leg material or what he thought was boot leg material and instead ended up being porn.

[sheevaa]

I know Slash just released a new single not too long ago. Don't know if that is from the same album or a new one, though.

In any event, it's good for British CPS to be diligent, lord knows they've fucked up enough in the past. This does see pretty excessive though. If it's supervised, I'm assuming it can't just be the wife doing the supervising. Like the old saying goes, no good deed goes unpunished.

Hope this gets resolved soon, sounds like a nightmare.

[malq]

[QUOTE=gloomypenguin;604717]

Maybe. Maybe it could happen if you pay no regard to file type (image vs sound files vs video vs document) or size or file name/comments... Maybe if you go a clicking via torrent clients or 4chan orrrrr something with absolutely no regard and questionable search terms. But I doubt it. His wife probably caught him looking at it and that is what he said. Does Slash even have a new album out? lol.... I have a pretty safe feeling this kind of accident rarely happens

I have to agree. This has bothered me for sometime. If, it were happening to people, you would think we would hear about it. In fact, I googled is it possible to accidentally download child porn. All that came up was pages of this guys case. No known cases of proven accidental downloads that I am aware of. i think the paranoia of getting a kid porny download is way over rated, but worth remembering.

added this:
the whole guilty until proven innocent thing does bother me, though. i cant decide if it is worth it in this kind of situation. it does seeeeem worth it, worth the chance to protect the kids if he even might be creepy. but in the general case of restrictions/punishment before all evidence is heard (if this does somehow turn out to be nothing, he's going to lose his job and be shunned by google/commenters/his community) anyway. sometimes it is a witch hunt. we're giving up our constitutional rights for 'maybe' with some of these things.

Is it worth it? good question. the answer lies in the results. if he is guilty, yes it was. if he is not, it is a tragedy. You decide. It's a tough one. I am 100% sure the investigators had something solid before they went forward with this.

Regardless, he is accused not convicted. I do not think his constitutional rights have been violated, he will get due process.



ETA: What I really would like to to, is actively search for child porn to see how easy it is. I have always been curious exactly how these guys connect and share the pics. Although I don't think the search itself is illegal, like everyone else, I would not. I will have history somehow and that would make me paranoid.

[Chinchillazilla]

I remember, when I was 12/13 and Kazaa was king, trying to download Sailor Moon episodes. Man, did people hide nasty stuff under the title "Sailor Moon." I'm pretty sure I didn't get any kiddy porn (though there was one who might have been underage), but dude. I saw more bestiality than any adult should ever have to see. I could believe this guy's story.

[gloomypenguin]

it is possible on accident... think "rick roll" (malicious redirect to something unwanted originating from something wanted) annnnddd because this is a VERY new album helps the guys case. people are mean/trolls like that. they are. the tubes **the internet is not a big truck, btw** is getting much nicer, though...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rickrolling

BUT. i have a great deal of experience with random clicking and downloading (shh) annnnndddd if this was an "easy mistake" it would have happened to me and more than once. i've never heard of this happening to anyone i know or myself. and it does matter what he was searching for. it does. if he was going a pornin' and wanted to see a barely legal girl i can see how his search terms might result in something like this... especially depending on how naive he is and the site he used. BUT. i have accidentally downloaded porn when i wanted something else but never illegal porn, usually gross lemon party porn or something... so to completely say this is impossible is very hard for me... BUT. like i said. if this kind of thing was common, easy or whatever to do on PURE mistake... i would have thrown my computer out the window by now and gone off grid. seriously.

i still feel his wife just caught him and this is what he said.

i'm very on the fence about this issue. very. i feel almost like... those (cops) who have all the details (the search terms, the method he was using to download, the computer, statements from him/wife/kids) are able to make a proper judgement where I simply cannot without all the facts. i must give my faith that there is a reason they've imposed certain conditions in this situation.

OMG. rights are important (this story is UK not US, btw). privacy is very important. computer ethics and law is insanely important and forming immaturely as we speak for better or worse. we need to focus on the cause of such deviance... the effects, too, yes... of course... but the cause is the problem.

[Shadow]

Hey @malq, I did a google search using the same search parameters and guess what popped up.
http://www.switched.com/2009/12/07/a...-to-jail-time/

Sorry.

~shadow

[malq]

Hey @malq, I did a google search using the same search parameters and guess what popped up.
http://www.switched.com/2009/12/07/a...-to-jail-time/

Sorry.

~shadow

Do you really thing an innocent man copped a plea to 3 years in prison? I am not a computer forensic person, but I have to believe it is the prosecutions burden to prove you intentionally downloaded the files. The key thing I read in that was files, not just one image.
I am with Gloomy penguin. I have been in all the deep dark corners of the internet, clicking and downloading like an idiot with reckless abandon. I have gotten a lot of bad stuff but no kid porn bundled in it. It can happen, but really, if you were a distributor, or a troll, would you bundle it in a download to tell on yourself? Anything can be traced if need be.

So what would I do if I found something? Probably take my hands off the keyboard and call the police. I would not be afraid of being blamed, because they have to prove it forensically. No one gets convicted otherwise. That's my take on it.

[Shadow]

Do you really thing an innocent man copped a plea to 3 years in prison? I am not a computer forensic person, but I have to believe it is the prosecutions burden to prove you intentionally downloaded the files. The key thing I read in that was files, not just one image.
I am with Gloomy penguin. I have been in all the deep dark corners of the internet, clicking and downloading like an idiot with reckless abandon. I have gotten a lot of bad stuff but no kid porn bundled in it. It can happen, but really, if you were a distributor, or a troll, would you bundle it in a download to tell on yourself? Anything can be traced if need be.

So what would I do if I found something? Probably take my hands off the keyboard and call the police. I would not be afraid of being blamed, because they have to prove it forensically. No one gets convicted otherwise. That's my take on it.

I wasn't disagreeing so much as pointing out this has happened before. Here in the town where I live. My comment was in reference to your statement:

In fact, I googled is it possible to accidentally download child porn. All that came up was pages of this guys case.

I do happen to agree that while it is possible, it is also highly unlikely, due to the fact that this has happened before, where someone claimed it was accidental and he still got punished. You are correct. They would have to have strong forensic evidence before making the decision to prosecute. I apologize for the confusion.

~shadow

[Obsolete]

BUT. i have a great deal of experience with random clicking and downloading (shh) annnnndddd if this was an "easy mistake" it would have happened to me and more than once. i've never heard of this happening to anyone i know or myself. and it does matter what he was searching for. it does. if he was going a pornin' and wanted to see a barely legal girl i can see how his search terms might result in something like this... especially depending on how naive he is and the site he used. BUT. i have accidentally downloaded porn when i wanted something else but never illegal porn, usually gross lemon party porn or something... so to completely say this is impossible is very hard for me... BUT. like i said. if this kind of thing was common, easy or whatever to do on PURE mistake... i would have thrown my computer out the window by now and gone off grid. seriously.

The "it's never happened to me so it probably isn't true" argument doesn't really work for me. I know you're not saying that it didn't happen, just that it isn't likely because if it were easy to do it would have happened to you by now...but I still disagree with you.

Car accidents happen very easily but I know many people who drive every day yet have never had an accident. My cousin is a huge slut who has unprotected sex with any guy that glances her way (no @malq you cannot have her phone number) but she doesn't have any STD's or VD's, meanwhile my friend "L" was a virgin until she was 25 and caught the Herp from the first guy she slept with. Just because something hasn't happened to you doesn't mean it can't happen to anyone, and chances are if it did happen to someone you know they probably deleted it and didn't tell anyone about it.

I don't use file sharing so I don't have to worry about this but I do understand the process and you never know if what you're downloading is actually what you're getting. People can label their files anything they want, and chances are pedos aren't going to label their child porn as "child porn". So when you go to dl Sweet Sixteen from Billy Idol you may get more than you bargained for.

As for this guy, it sounds like there might be more to this story. I agree that it's likely that his wife caught him, or he thought she did so he came up with this story to cover his ass.

[gloomypenguin]

The "it's never happened to me so it probably isn't true" argument doesn't really work for me. I know you're not saying that it didn't happen, just that it isn't likely because if it were easy to do it would have happened to you by now...but I still disagree with you.

yeah, it's a flimsy argument but it's all i have. i really do like and respect what you said. i don't post a lot here... i do look a lot. but this one includes a few topics i feel very strongly about and i keep thinking about all the issues surrounding this kind of thing. i'm really torn... i do believe fully in innocent until proven guilty and most things in life can't be proven definitely one way or another. i don't know. i really don't know. we don't know enough to know. i'm happy you feel differently than me... like i'm sending negative mojo his way and maybe for absolutely no reason... and you're countering with good and maybe more unbiased mojo. keep it up, i need you to... i might be wrong.

he's a man with children... regardless of if he is guilty or innocent i feel he would have been drug through the mud. i feel... innocently reporting this kind of thing for him without receiving the consequences he did is just as improbable as this happening by mistake. i feel that is a problem in and of itself. another problem is legislation for the internet... something that crosses almost all political and geographical boundaries... those limits are inherently abstract to begin with but we do put dotted or solid lines on our maps for a general idea. how do we govern something like the internet? should we govern it? as a whole or in part? i guess we have to rely on our definitions on territories for now... if i'm over here and the server my website is hosted is over there but some of my data is stored somewhere else and you access it... who is at fault? the person who put that up? the admin? the owner? the moderators? the hosting server? the search engine? the people seeding it? the guy in some forum not even on my site that links to it? the guy in my forum that links to another site? their country, state, person... or mine? or yours? it makes my head spin. the dealers or the users? who is more at fault? both? are there really degrees to "wrong"? the users are easier to catch. but the dealers enable users... but the users will snatch your kids and rob your stores... but the dealers themselves are users, therefore sick themselves also... do the users stop just because the dealers do? or do they go elsewhere? there is always a new dealer. always plenty of users. and who, where or when even defined what was "wrong" and at what point does censorship over step its bounds? think china. think children. think drugs. is over there just as important as my backyard? think yesterday, today, tomorrow... what do we do?

[malq]

The "it's never happened to me so it probably isn't true" argument doesn't really work for me. I know you're not saying that it didn't happen, just that it isn't likely because if it were easy to do it would have happened to you by now...but I still disagree with you.

Car accidents happen very easily but I know many people who drive every day yet have never had an accident. My cousin is a huge slut who has unprotected sex with any guy that glances her way (no @malq you cannot have her phone number) but she doesn't have any STD's or VD's, meanwhile my friend "L" was a virgin until she was 25 and caught the Herp from the first guy she slept with. Just because something hasn't happened to you doesn't mean it can't happen to anyone, and chances are if it did happen to someone you know they probably deleted it and didn't tell anyone about it.

I don't use file sharing so I don't have to worry about this but I do understand the process and you never know if what you're downloading is actually what you're getting. People can label their files anything they want, and chances are pedos aren't going to label their child porn as "child porn". So when you go to dl Sweet Sixteen from Billy Idol you may get more than you bargained for.

As for this guy, it sounds like there might be more to this story. I agree that it's likely that his wife caught him, or he thought she did so he came up with this story to cover his ass.

herp?
JUST HAVE HER TEXT ME..pics

Ps, good post Obsy

[malq]

yeah, it's a flimsy argument but it's all i have. i really do like and respect what you said. i don't post a lot here... i do look a lot. but this one includes a few topics i feel very strongly about and i keep thinking about all the issues surrounding this kind of thing. i'm really torn... i do believe fully in innocent until proven guilty and most things in life can't be proven definitely one way or another. i don't know. i really don't know. we don't know enough to know. i'm happy you feel differently than me... like i'm sending negative mojo his way and maybe for absolutely no reason... and you're countering with good and maybe more unbiased mojo. keep it up, i need you to... i might be wrong.

he's a man with children... regardless of if he is guilty or innocent i feel he would have been drug through the mud. i feel... innocently reporting this kind of thing for him without receiving the consequences he did is just as improbable as this happening by mistake. i feel that is a problem in and of itself. another problem is legislation for the internet... something that crosses almost all political and geographical boundaries... those limits are inherently abstract to begin with but we do put dotted or solid lines on our maps for a general idea. how do we govern something like the internet? should we govern it? as a whole or in part? i guess we have to rely on our definitions on territories for now... if i'm over here and the server my website is hosted is over there but some of my data is stored somewhere else and you access it... who is at fault? the person who put that up? the admin? the owner? the moderators? the hosting server? the search engine? the people seeding it? the guy in some forum not even on my site that links to it? the guy in my forum that links to another site? their country, state, person... or mine? or yours? it makes my head spin. the dealers or the users? who is more at fault? both? are there really degrees to "wrong"? the users are easier to catch. but the dealers enable users... but the users will snatch your kids and rob your stores... but the dealers themselves are users, therefore sick themselves also... do the users stop just because the dealers do? or do they go elsewhere? there is always a new dealer. always plenty of users. and who, where or when even defined what was "wrong" and at what point does censorship over step its bounds? think china. think children. think drugs. is over there just as important as my backyard? think yesterday, today, tomorrow... what do we do?

At first this looks like a wall of post I would usually skip. But I have noticed your posts have good content and flow with lots of burning questions. I didn't think your argument was flimsy at all. Just because Obsolete presents a good argument doesn't mean she is right. I happen to think that if you take chances and basically ask for it, and it never happens, the odds are on it happening on a larger scale reflect that. Life is chance and odds. there is no fate or destiny.