Marton Pal's Sneaky Discipline Backfires; 3-year-old Evan Watkins Dies

[Dakota Valkyrie]

Marton Pal is charged with First Degree Murder and Aggravated Child Abuse

A man who frequently babysat his girlfriend's 3-year-old son was charged Wednesday in the boy's death.

According to detectives, 3-year-old Evan Watkins was brought into Lakeland Regional Medical Center by ambulance on Sept. 30 with a 104.7 degree fever at 1:58 p.m. and later died at 2:50 p.m. that same day.

On Oct. 2, an autopsy revealed Evan died as the result of blunt force abdominal trauma.

During an interview, Evan's mother, Susan Soligny, told detectives she frequently allowed her boyfriend, Marton Sandor Pal, to babysit Evan.

During a formal interview with 21-year-old Pal, he admitted to detectives to punching Evan in the abdominal area about one week before Evan's death.

Detectives say he also admitted to hitting Evan over a period of time and that the story he told them during an investigation into a previous child abuse incident was not true.

During the investigation, detectives learned that back on Sept. 13, Evan's daycare facility had reported suspicious bruising and scratching on Evan's face to the Florida Department of Children and Families. On Sept. 14, after a detective met with a Child Protection Team, it was determined there was not enough evidence at the time to support a criminal charge.

During questioning, when detectives learned Evan was in Pal's custody during the time of the suspicious bruising incident, he said Evan got the bruises after he accidentally fell at Banana Lake Park.

http://www.wtsp.com/rss/article/2143...-toddler-death

An Oct. 2 autopsy report ruled Evan's death as a homicide and determined he died as a result of a lacerated mesentery, which is a tear in the connective tissue that holds together a person's abdominal organs, caused by blunt force abdominal trauma. He also had a fractured rib and about 20 bruises on his head.
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The day before, the child began vomiting around 4:30 a.m. and had scratches near his eyes, the affidavit said. Evan was dropped off at a day care center where it was recorded that he had a fever of 100.5.

The boy's biological father, Hayden Watkins, picked up Evan and gave him medication to reduce his fever, the affidavit said. But by 6 p.m. when Soligny picked up the boy, his health had continued to decline.

The report says Evan continued to vomit throughout the night and had a low fever.

As Evan's health continued to decline, Soligny called 911 and told a dispatcher that she was taking her son to the emergency room. The dispatcher told her to pull over at a convenience store and wait for an ambulance to pick up the boy.

Evan died at the hospital about an hour after arriving, the affidavit said.
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On Oct. 5, detectives met with Pal. He told them that in late September he punched the boy in the stomach because he refused to go to bed, the affidavit said. Pal knew he had hurt the boy, the affidavit said. He also admitted to striking the boy in the stomach and head repeatedly over a period of time. He also acknowledged that the story about the boy hurting himself at a park was false, the affidavit said.

When asked why he abused the child, he told detectives it was because the boy's mother would not discipline him nor would she allow Pal to. So when the two were alone,he would make up for the lack of discipline by hurting the child, the affidavit said.

http://www.newschief.com/article/201...NEWS/110075000

[Tundratot]

She wouldn't allow him to discipline the boy, but she wouldn't do anything about the abuse he was getting. He was already presenting with injuries that the daycare reported! How could she miss it? That child was old enough to tell her about it -- though I assume he was threatened into silence. Nonetheless, he had to be afraid of Pal and there were injuries!

[TKaz]

Did she know about the abuse though? It seemed like she just thought he was ill - and naive. Naive enough to believe her boyfriend.

[princessgrandma]

I don't think she realized he was abusing the kid. She probably believed everything he said about the kid falling and stuff. She's probably kicking herself right now for doing that, so I'm not going to kick her anymore.

[ineedanap]

She would have to be an idiot to not know he was abusing the kid. Unfortunately, idiocy and stupidity are not chargeable offences.

[Shadow]

wait.. he punched the child in the stomach because the child wouldn't go to bed? WTH? And all because "mom" won't discipline nor allow him to discipline the child? The child was THREE years old. You don't discipline a child that's three. You TEACH them. When they do something you don't approve of, you give talk to them, and explain why it's inappropriate. Give the child a time out. 2 minutes for ever year in age. When the child behaves well, you reward the good behavior. You don't STRIKE a 3yr old. FOR ANY REASON. Please tell me he's going to get the death penalty? Also.. about mom. I can see her being naive enough to believe this prick. I'm sorry that she lost her lil' boy because of that naivety. Let it be a lesson to her, to not trust the penis just because he says so.

~shadow

[Silvahalo]

You'd have to be pretty damn dense, imo to not notice something suspicious.
C'mon, the kid had 20 bruises to his head, a broken rib and his insides were pretty much being beat regularly.
I would think that this fucker did scare the child enough that he didn't speak about the abuse, and that is understandable.
What doesn't make sense to me is how after childcare reported it, a detective met with CPS, mom must have been contacted
should have brought a red flag up fast.
I can't imagine not being on damn high alert after getting a call from childcare/detective/CPS.
Just put common sense together and the finger points at the boyfriend.

Fuck the woman must be deaf and blind, seriously ticks me off that a mother would not notice SOMETHING wrong
in the weeks before his death. AND I take issue that with a young child that began vomiting the night before at 4:30am, come the next morning with fever still vomiting she takes her kid to the dad.
yeah, i know ya'll thinking, so what?
well this is what. A kid at 3yo vomiting that long would be in bad shape the next day, severely dehydrated and since we are not
talking the flu but internal injuries, he was probably in some serious pain, with a broken rib and vomiting-- that shit
had to hurt, probably crying in a feeble way, so weak.
OK, fine so maybe she thought if he's still sick later take him then---but this is where dad comes in to his care all fucking day and not once thought, oh, shit my kid is really sick, with his injuries would not keep even water down and by 6pm
he must have been a terrible mess.
HOW THE FUCK do parents let so much go before getting help?
maybe it's just me but NO way my kid would go that way, that long and not be seen by dr. or ER asap, and I'm not the type
to rush my kids over for a bit of fever, but we know this child was far more sick than just a fever.
It's just, that this really makes me so sad thinking on how many times that fucker beat on little Evan, how
scared he was not feeling he could ask for help. god, breaks my heart in many ways.
Parents are the first line in defense. BOTH manged to fail Evan miserably.

Rest in peace little Evan Watkins. You deserved to be loved far more intently and completely.

[Shadow]

Thank you for putting what I couldn't into words, @Silvahalo . I'm not real articulate tonight.
About the mom. I have been in a situation where I considered the possibility that someone close to us was abusing my son, but I could never prove it. Soon as I suspected I pulled him out of the situation quickly. I did have the foresight to take him to the doctor to get him checked out to be sure there wasn't something more nefarious going on that getting smacked on the back of his legs. His pediatrician didn't find anything out of the ordinary to suggest more was going on than what was originally told. When he was asked about the marks on the backs of his legs, he would mumble and never really tell us. He made things up about how it happened. He was 2 1/2 at the time. But I can see where she might've thought she could trust this jerk. I trusted someone too. :|


~shadow

[Reyna Fiesta]

You'd have to be pretty damn dense, imo to not notice something suspicious.
C'mon, the kid had 20 bruises to his head, a broken rib and his insides were pretty much being beat regularly.
I would think that this fucker did scare the child enough that he didn't speak about the abuse, and that is understandable.
What doesn't make sense to me is how after childcare reported it, a detective met with CPS, mom must have been contacted
should have brought a red flag up fast.
I can't imagine not being on damn high alert after getting a call from childcare/detective/CPS.
Just put common sense together and the finger points at the boyfriend.

Fuck the woman must be deaf and blind, seriously ticks me off that a mother would not notice SOMETHING wrong
in the weeks before his death. AND I take issue that with a young child that began vomiting the night before at 4:30am, come the next morning with fever still vomiting she takes her kid to the dad.
yeah, i know ya'll thinking, so what?
well this is what. A kid at 3yo vomiting that long would be in bad shape the next day, severely dehydrated and since we are not
talking the flu but internal injuries, he was probably in some serious pain, with a broken rib and vomiting-- that shit
had to hurt, probably crying in a feeble way, so weak.
OK, fine so maybe she thought if he's still sick later take him then---but this is where dad comes in to his care all fucking day and not once thought, oh, shit my kid is really sick, with his injuries would not keep even water down and by 6pm
he must have been a terrible mess.
HOW THE FUCK do parents let so much go before getting help?
maybe it's just me but NO way my kid would go that way, that long and not be seen by dr. or ER asap, and I'm not the type
to rush my kids over for a bit of fever, but we know this child was far more sick than just a fever.
It's just, that this really makes me so sad thinking on how many times that fucker beat on little Evan, how
scared he was not feeling he could ask for help. god, breaks my heart in many ways.
Parents are the first line in defense. BOTH manged to fail Evan miserably.

Rest in peace little Evan Watkins. You deserved to be loved far more intently and completely.

his parents did love him. his grandparents loved him and he had so much love around him, its one stupid mistake, dont kick anyone in the ass because you believe different . god may exist. but he cant save everyone. at least he is not suffering anymore. and his mommy and daddy cant wait to ssee him again.

[Silvahalo]

his parents did love him. his grandparents loved him and he had so much love around him, its one stupid mistake, dont kick anyone in the ass because you believe different . god may exist. but he cant save everyone. at least he is not suffering anymore. and his mommy and daddy cant wait to ssee him again.

ONE stupid mistake. oh, please, how is this ONE stupid mistake.
From what I read on and gathered as facts, this Pal boyfriend had an ongoing abusive behaviour towards Evan. My questions for the mother is HOW is it she didn't know, didn't suspect since there was an investigation done by CPS when the daycare called to report bruises and cuts....HOW is it the mother loving Evan so very much didn't see this as a red flag??
does she not know how to put two things together?
1 (Pal baby sits Evan) + 1 (Evan repeatedly has been with bruises, cut's ect.) = BF is abusing her baby.

During an interview, Evan's mother, Susan Soligny, told detectives she frequently allowed her boyfriend,Marton Sandor Pal, to babysit Evan.

During a formal interview with 21-year-old Pal, he admitted to detectives to punching Evan in the abdominal area about one week before Evan's death.

Detectives say he also admitted to hitting Evan over a period of time and that the story he told them during an investigation into a previous child abuse incident was not true.

. . .Evan's daycare facility had reported suspicious bruising and scratching on Evan's face to the Florida Department of Children and Families. On Sept. 14, after a detective met with a Child Protection Team.

So the case was determined by CPS to not have enough evidence of abuse.
Now, see this is were mothering 101 comes in, a mother does what she has to do no matter what CPS has concluded. There were all kinds of reasons to suspect abuse, like 20 bruises to Evan's head. A kick in the ass IS in order but really, it will do nothing for Evan now. I can only hope there are no more children at risk.
I can't say anything about the grandparents, I'm sure they loved Evan, as did the bio dad, but I do questions things as they went down those last hours of Evan's life. I can't speak for God but the way I see it is God could save our sorry asses and why he doesn't just get a big O eraser and start over-- your guess is as good as mine. Evan is not suffering any more, my word, is that the best you can say?
Evan is dead, you see he had to DIE to stop suffering how is that OK?
how is that fair to Evan or even remotely acceptable? how is it that he suffered so long and his own mother didn't notice....HOW? Evan deserves an answer.

His mom misses him--- can't wait to see him again, but that's assuming a lot.
Evan graces the heavens now, and Hell is awaiting on the fuctard, not sure where the rest of people involved are heading.

[DamagedGoods]

He should never have suffered in the first place, the fact that he no longer is, is cold comfort if comfort at all.

[malq]

his parents did love him. his grandparents loved him and he had so much love around him, its one stupid mistake, dont kick anyone in the ass because you believe different . god may exist. but he cant save everyone. at least he is not suffering anymore. and his mommy and daddy cant wait to see him again.

What stupid mistake are you referring to? the one where he was beat to death or the mother allowing it to happen?
I don't believe different. I know different. Evan is dead from savage beatings that killed him.
What I cannot figure out is how the mom didn't figure out what was going on. Also with all those bruises around the head one of the parents should have picked up on it. The media dint say one way or the other. that tells me that it is still being scrutinized closely.
Who are you, that is so intimately close, that you are sure you know what was going on?

[VAS1326]

ONE stupid mistake. oh, please, how is this ONE stupid mistake.
From what I read on and gathered as facts, this Pal boyfriend had an ongoing abusive behaviour towards Evan. My questions for the mother is HOW is it she didn't know, didn't suspect since there was an investigation done by CPS when the daycare called to report bruises and cuts....HOW is it the mother loving Evan so very much didn't see this as a red flag??
does she not know how to put two things together?
1 (Pal baby sits Evan) + 1 (Evan repeatedly has been with bruises, cut's ect.) = BF is abusing her baby.


So the case was determined by CPS to not have enough evidence of abuse.
Now, see this is were mothering 101 comes in, a mother does what she has to do no matter what CPS has concluded. There were all kinds of reasons to suspect abuse, like 20 bruises to Evan's head. A kick in the ass IS in order but really, it will do nothing for Evan now. I can only hope there are no more children at risk.
I can't say anything about the grandparents, I'm sure they loved Evan, as did the bio dad, but I do questions things as they went down those last hours of Evan's life. I can't speak for God but the way I see it is God could save our sorry asses and why he doesn't just get a big O eraser and start over-- your guess is as good as mine. Evan is not suffering any more, my word, is that the best you can say?
Evan is dead, you see he had to DIE to stop suffering how is that OK?
how is that fair to Evan or even remotely acceptable? how is it that he suffered so long and his own mother didn't notice....HOW? Evan deserves an answer.

His mom misses him--- can't wait to see him again, but that's assuming a lot.
Evan graces the heavens now, and Hell is awaiting on the fuctard, not sure where the rest of people involved are heading.

I understand your anger over the senseless death of an innoncent child. I may border on playing devils advocate here. I don't know how mom could have missed it. He had cuts and bruises on one occassion but I'm assuming much of the abuse was much like the punch that killed him, very very discrete. It's not hard to explain one or two bruises. Toddlers get bruises. I think when he said he had been hitting him a while he did so in a manner that left minimal markings or made sure they looked like normal toddler bumps and bruises. After the CPS ordeal he probably made sure not to go too far as to leave it obvious. I'm betting the abuse that killed this child happened more recently then a week before. It's sad the boy never told anyone what had happened. Not his dad, his mother or his daycare. He must have been pretty tramatized. My heart goes out to him and his family but I really think the mother was blindsided. I feel the blame rest soley on the man who did this too him.

Not everyone is as jaded as we are. They don't submerge themselves in child abuse horror 101 like we do. So I can easily see how a young mother (assuming this is her first child) would take the word of CPS. I mean yes it should raise a red flag that they were called but they are the experts in most people's view and if they didn't think nothing was amiss why would she? I mean surely people trained to spot abuse would have known wouldn't they? She may not have known how unrealiable those experts really are and how many children die after CPS cleared the abuser.

Anyways; I feel the person who posted about his parents loving him was probably a grandparent or that's just the feeling I get. I think them saying at least he isn't sufferring is their way of dealing with this tragedy. I mean when someone you love dies who should not have died how do you find comfort? People often reason God however they have too in order to help deal with grief. I also think when she said it was a mistake I think she meant the mother letting this man watch her child. It was a mistake. Like Princess Grandma said the mother probably beats herself up for that one error in judgement. Yes it was a huge mistake and one that cannot be erased. Try not to be so harsh on someone who seems like they are grieving.

[VAS1326]

He should never have suffered in the first place, the fact that he no longer is, is cold comfort if comfort at all.

When somebody you love dies it's the only comfort you have if you believe in Heaven. Otherwise there is nothing to hold onto and hope for. No he should have never sufferred in the first place but what's done is done and if all that is left is knowing he is in a better place where he feels no pain then that's what the family will cling to in order to sleep at night.

[Silvahalo]

I understand your anger over the senseless death of an innoncent child. I may border on playing devils advocate here. I don't know how mom could have missed it. He had cuts and bruises on one occassion but I'm assuming much of the abuse was much like the punch that killed him, very very discrete. It's not hard to explain one or two bruises. Toddlers get bruises. I think when he said he had been hitting him a while he did so in a manner that left minimal markings or made sure they looked like normal toddler bumps and bruises. After the CPS ordeal he probably made sure not to go too far as to leave it obvious. I'm betting the abuse that killed this child happened more recently then a week before. It's sad the boy never told anyone what had happened. Not his dad, his mother or his daycare. He must have been pretty tramatized. My heart goes out to him and his family but I really think the mother was blindsided. I feel the blame rest soley on the man who did this too him.

Not everyone is as jaded as we are. They don't submerge themselves in child abuse horror 101 like we do. So I can easily see how a young mother (assuming this is her first child) would take the word of CPS. I mean yes it should raise a red flag that they were called but they are the experts in most people's view and if they didn't think nothing was amiss why would she? I mean surely people trained to spot abuse would have known wouldn't they? She may not have known how unrealiable those experts really are and how many children die after CPS cleared the abuser.

Anyways; I feel the person who posted about his parents loving him was probably a grandparent or that's just the feeling I get. I think them saying at least he isn't sufferring is their way of dealing with this tragedy. I mean when someone you love dies who should not have died how do you find comfort? People often reason God however they have too in order to help deal with grief. I also think when she said it was a mistake I think she meant the mother letting this man watch her child. It was a mistake. Like Princess Grandma said the mother probably beats herself up for that one error in judgement. Yes it was a huge mistake and one that cannot be erased. Try not to be so harsh on someone who seems like they are grieving.

I get what you are saying and considered it when this thread first opened. Still, I contend, no way in hell a mother misses that much in bruises, cuts, scratches, etc. 20 to the head just for starts. I suppose some young mothers might dismiss the claims as CPS threw it out, without knowledge as we know here, nonetheless it seems excessive. AND if any such claim came about with my kid from childcare, I'd be all over it.

But it wasn't one mistake in leaving Evan with this fuctard she did it all the time, regular basis. *shakes head* can't see how she missed all the signs that would be on her child's body and his behaviour, his aches and pains. Seems unlikely but suppose some people are too dense, too distracted, too selfish, too stupid, etc.
I really do doubt this fucktard was strategically placing blows to Evan as to not show nothing at all. Only so many times you can dismiss bruises and cuts. I have 2 boys and I now what is typical. This was not typical.

What really bothers me is Evan was beat, punched in the stomach a whole week before things went really bad. During that time he was surely sick and only getting worse. I contend that day Evan was beat by Pal as he was a sick child in need. The final blows killed him. Had his health been tended to only one day prior he might be alive today. Bugs me entirely.
And for those who did love Evan, the loss is great and final. If you want to say something tell us how Evan is gone and dead and not one adult who should have protected him stopped that from happening.

[VAS1326]

I get what you are saying and considered it when this thread first opened. Still, I contend, no way in hell a mother misses that much in bruises, cuts, scratches, etc. 20 to the head just for starts. I suppose some young mothers might dismiss the claims as CPS threw it out, without knowledge as we know here, nonetheless it seems excessive. AND if any such claim came about with my kid from childcare, I'd be all over it.

But it wasn't one mistake in leaving Evan with this fuctard she did it all the time, regular basis. *shakes head* can't see how she missed all the signs that would be on her child's body and his behaviour, his aches and pains. Seems unlikely but suppose some people are too dense, too distracted, too selfish, too stupid, etc.
I really do doubt this fucktard was strategically placing blows to Evan as to not show nothing at all. Only so many times you can dismiss bruises and cuts. I have 2 boys and I now what is typical. This was not typical.

What really bothers me is Evan was beat, punched in the stomach a whole week before things went really bad. During that time he was surely sick and only getting worse. I contend that day Evan was beat by Pal as he was a sick child in need. The final blows killed him. Had his health been tended to only one day prior he might be alive today. Bugs me entirely.
And for those who did love Evan, the loss is great and final. If you want to say something tell us how Evan is gone and dead and not one adult who should have protected him stopped that from happening.

I agree with you I don't know how a mother could have missed it. I don't know how all the people who came in contact with him missed it. It does not sound like the child was concealed where nobody could see him. His father is obviously in his life and he didn't notice? Daycare only reported him the one time it was severe? Were there no other signs? It would be interesting to hear the mom's point of view on how she missed it. Some people really are that dense (I'm sure you know a few) I'm extremely over protective and I'm extremely paranoid. Life made me this way. I had to learn that the worst can happen at anytime in many ways. Not everybody has that.

I also agree that the abuse had to have been longer term then Pal is trying to make it sound. I also agree that last blow was the final one. I don't think it was a one time thing at all . So no I have no idea how a mother can miss it either but the only shoes I've walked in are mine so I don't know how others perceive certain things. Some people just want to see the good in everybody even when it's not in their best interest. Especially since she never saw the guy abuse her son and her son obviously didn't tell her or anyone for that matter about it.

[VAS1326]

Does anyone know if the brusing on his head was new brusing or the old bruising that was reported few weeks prior? If they were the same they noticed and bought the bullshit story this jackass gave.

[rahrahrumble]

I agree that it's kinda madness that she didn't notice it/blah blah blah, the abuse was going on longer than he said, but for fuck's sake her baby is dead :(

I will call her a fool, even an unfit mother, but she has to live every day without her precious little one. You can be a foolish parent and still love your sweet baby from the bottom of your heart. She clearly made terrible decisions and trusted the wrong fucking person and is in a way responsible for his death, but goddamn. I think she'll do fine without all the name calling and insinuating she didn't love her baby.

[TheMeaningOfItAll]

I agree that it's kinda madness that she didn't notice it/blah blah blah, the abuse was going on longer than he said, but for fuck's sake her baby is dead :(

I will call her a fool, even an unfit mother, but she has to live every day without her precious little one. You can be a foolish parent and still love your sweet baby from the bottom of your heart. She clearly made terrible decisions and trusted the wrong fucking person and is in a way responsible for his death, but goddamn. I think she'll do fine without all the name calling and insinuating she didn't love her baby.

Ummm...You say you have been lurking here for a long time, so a response like this has me wondering if you can read. This is a public shaming site. Coming in here and tsk-tsking us isn't exactly the brightest thing to do. We call people names all over the place for being neglectful, blind, deaf and dumb twats like the lady in this story. Whether or not she knew what was going on is debatable as you can see from the conversation going on. Personally, I think she buried her head in the sand...looked the other way and justified things to herself in order to keep a guy. No way a baby could have that many bruises on his body and she not notice. No fucking way.

[Silvahalo]

Does anyone know if the brusing on his head was new brusing or the old bruising that was reported few weeks prior? If they were the same they noticed and bought the bullshit story this jackass gave. . . .

I agree with you I don't know how a mother could have missed it. I don't know how all the people who came in contact with him missed it. It does not sound like the child was concealed where nobody could see him. His father is obviously in his life and he didn't notice? Daycare only reported him the one time it was severe? Were there no other signs? It would be interesting to hear the mom's point of view on how she missed it. Some people really are that dense (I'm sure you know a few) I'm extremely over protective and I'm extremely paranoid. Life made me this way. I had to learn that the worst can happen at anytime in many ways. Not everybody has that.

I also agree that the abuse had to have been longer term then Pal is trying to make it sound. I also agree that last blow was the final one. I don't think it was a one time thing at all . So no I have no idea how a mother can miss it either but the only shoes I've walked in are mine so I don't know how others perceive certain things. Some people just want to see the good in everybody even when it's not in their best interest. Especially since she never saw the guy abuse her son and her son obviously didn't tell her or anyone for that matter about it.

Well the 20 blows to the head might have been during the final assault but it's not clear. I think it was probably over that week as Evan was sick, guess we'll never know. I'd be willing to venture that the abuse as it was ongoing was well pronounced the week before he died. Doubt the fucker had any patience with a sick child seeing he beat him regularly.

An Oct. 2 autopsy report ruled Evan's death as a homicide and determined he died as a result of a lacerated mesentery, which is a tear in the connective tissue that holds together a person's abdominal organs, caused by blunt force abdominal trauma. He also had a fractured rib and about 20 bruises on his head.
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Wanted to say that I am not in disagreement with you really. I think your perspective is sound and makes some important points. Some of us who have been here for awhile have read one too many cases and i know, personally, that I can some times fall on the emotional side of things without considering all possibilities. It's good to have a check on things even when we are dealing with less than desirable people like dismissive mothers and grown men that beat babies.

There is no way of knowing for certain the mother didn't care enough to notice but I will say that I would be hard pressed to believe she didn't suspects something considering the ongoing time of abuse. Why Evan wasn't given help is debatable. Her child was old enough to voice his pain and fear. I wonder if Evan ever told his mother what was happening, can't imagine he wouldn't unless he was confident mother didn't care or scared into silence.

Anyhow just wanted to say I didn't mean to come off argumentative and closed minded. Working on the memorial video has my heart in a spin. So many faces lost needlessly.

Rest in peace little Evan.

[VAS1326]

Well the 20 blows to the head might have been during the final assault but it's not clear. I think it was probably over that week as Evan was sick, guess we'll never know. I'd be willing to venture that the abuse as it was ongoing was well pronounced the week before he died. Doubt the fucker had any patience with a sick child seeing he beat him regularly.



Wanted to say that I am not in disagreement with you really. I think your perspective is sound and makes some important points. Some of us who have been here for awhile have read one too many cases and i know, personally, that I can some times fall on the emotional side of things without considering all possibilities. It's good to have a check on things even when we are dealing with less than desirable people like dismissive mothers and grown men that beat babies.

There is no way of knowing for certain the mother didn't care enough to notice but I will say that I would be hard pressed to believe she didn't suspects something considering the ongoing time of abuse. Why Evan wasn't given help is debatable. Her child was old enough to voice his pain and fear. I wonder if Evan ever told his mother what was happening, can't imagine he wouldn't unless he was confident mother didn't care or scared into silence.

Anyhow just wanted to say I didn't mean to come off argumentative and closed minded. Working on the memorial video has my heart in a spin. So many faces lost needlessly.

Rest in peace little Evan.

Oh no you don't come off as argumentative or closed minded. That's the beauty of a discussion board, to debate points of view and the possible scenerios. Nobody can say for sure what the mother knew or didn't know. Like I said in my first post I was playing devil's advocate. That maybe in this one instance the mother was the exception to the norm and really didn't see it. I guess for me it's like a lot of people didn't see it (except in one instance where it was very obvious). I guess more than one person failed to see this abuse so it makes it slightly easier for me to accept the mom too didn't see it.

I know it's easy to get wrapped on the emotional side of it. I do it all the time. Some stories get me so riled I can't see straight. I am beyond sad this little boy sufferred in silence and that nobody not even stupid CPS (I have no faith in CPS) saw the warning signs. I honestly believe he has been sufferring escalating abuse. I mean he took his frusterations out on the child because he didn't like how the girlfriend parented him. What a piece of shit. If he didn't like her child he shouldn't have been with her plain and simple.

A 3 year old can say what happened I know that because my 2 year old told everyone who would listen that "Brycey do that to me. He's a trouble maker" when he had nursemaids elbow. My child unlike little Evan didn't have any reason to be afraid to say it. I'm betting that Pal put the fear of God into him. I mean he's already hurting the child so it's not far stretched to believe the boy was terrified of what would happen if he told anyone. A 3 year old might not understand that he should have told anyway and that the other adults in his life wouldn't have allowed for it to get worse. For me the big thing is if he was seeing his father away from Pal and still didn't tell him the boy was trully afraid. Who knows maybe Pal told him if he said a word he would hurt/kill his mother or somehow take his mother away. Now if the mother didn't allow the abuse it's safe to assume when she was home he felt safe because nothing bad happened when mommy was around. If Pal threatened that then it could have been enough to scare him into silence. After all would you want to lose your mother completely when in the child's mind her presence equalled safety?

[AngelFire]

its one stupid mistake,

One Stupid Mistake?? Did I just read that right? The only stupid mistake here is YOU coming on here and posting that fucked up response to a 3 YEAR OLD CHILD THAT WAS MURDERED.

You dumb fuck.

I am a mother and I would KILL anyone before they laid hands on my child, ANYONE.

Yeah you pissed me off. Now go fuck yourself.

BTW I don't want to kick anyone around for this happening, I want to stomp on their heads and then jump on their bellies like a trampolin. Yeah that about describes what I want...now again, fuck off.

[Obsolete]

As far as the 20 bruises, that was found during the autopsy. It's possible these bruises didn't appear until postmortem, also they could have been bruises under the skin meaning they weren't visible to the naked eye.

The article doesn't say there were multiple injuries over a long period of time. It says on ONE occasion the daycare reported bruising and scratches. That was explained as a fall at a park and DHS was satisfied with that answer. As parents we all know how common scrapes and bruises are and how plausible it would be for a child to get hurt at a park. To me that wouldn't raise any flags unless it was an ongoing thing.

As far as him vomiting. When my son was born I was a nervous wreck and everytime he had the slightest sniffle I ran him to the doctor. By the time my daughter was born I was less neurotic. If my kids started vomiting I would give them gatorade and crackers and tylenol for their fever if they had one. The article doesn't say he was vomiting non stop, just that it continued throughout the night. It sounds like mom thought he was sick, tended to his illness and when it became apparent that he wasn't getting better she called 911.

She doesn't sound like a neglectful unloving mother to me.

[Tundratot]

During the investigation, detectives learned that back on Sept. 13, Evan's daycare facility had reported suspicious bruising and scratching on Evan's face to the Florida Department of Children and Families. On Sept. 14, after a detective met with a Child Protection Team, it was determined there was not enough evidence at the time to support a criminal charge.

The original statement was that there was not enough evidence to support a criminal charge, not that there was no evidence of abuse. CPS does not have to rely on criminal charges, does it? If there is enough evidence to support suspicion, there is enough for CPS to open a file and continue to intervene.

[VAS1326]

The original statement was that there was not enough evidence to support a criminal charge, not that there was no evidence of abuse. CPS does not have to rely on criminal charges, does it? If there is enough evidence to support suspicion, there is enough for CPS to open a file and continue to intervene.

I have no idea. I imagine that if they were to remove a child from the home there would be enough evidence to file charges. However; nothing in the statement tells us what action if any was taken. It doesn't say wether or not the case was closed after that. If there was evidence of abuse you would think they would have talked to the mother and came up with a family action plan to keep this guy away (similar to the one in the case of 2 year old Jace http://www.dreamindemon.com/forums/s...670#post615670)

However; it appears CPS did nothing at all so I'm assuming they closed it.

[navsec]

Nobody can say for sure what the mother knew or didn't know. Like I said in my first post I was playing devil's advocate. That maybe in this one instance the mother was the exception to the norm and really didn't see it. I guess for me it's like a lot of people didn't see it (except in one instance where it was very obvious). I guess more than one person failed to see this abuse so it makes it slightly easier for me to accept the mom too didn't see it.

If the mom wasn't living with the child then it would be appropriate to compare her lack of knowledge to other non-residents' lack of knowledge, such as teachers, neighbors, etc. (however, even then we have daycare workers/strangers who clearly saw signs of the abuse and reported it).

but if mom was living with the child, she knew. besides the visible bruises and scratches that the daycare workers noticed, she would have also seen other signs that the child was in distress. the child may have been terrified into silence but he's not an oscar-winning actor, his need for help would be extremely difficult to overlook

[LeaveMeBe]

I find myself wishing that big doggie he is hugging in the picture was around when the abuse happened and that it is a loving doggie that took great offense to his little boy being hurt and had ripped this monster's throat out.

[navsec]

I don't think we can understate the gross amount of negligence that would be at play for this mother to actually have been completely blindsided by this. i'm not saying it's impossible, but if so then we're dealing with a incredible level of neglect on her part

[thehesbomb]

At 3 years old even if he wasn't in excruciating pain (which I find hard to believe) he would be shying away from the boyfriend after the abuse and more likely, acting downright terrified.

I can't imagine a mother that was genuinely involved, invested and tuned in not noticing a DAMN thing amiss after this horrible abuse occurred. Calling bullshit...

[thehesbomb]

Mothers' FB quote:

"we dont realize how insignificant the things we stress about are until something that really maters (sic) goes wrong"

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