Lisa Irwin, 10 Months Old, Missing from Kansas City- Amber Alert!

[Obsolete]

I wonder if the cell phones were taken to delay the call to police, giving the kidnappers more time to get away? Let's just hope they're able to ping the phones and find the baby.

[Silvahalo]

I wonder if the cell phones were taken to delay the call to police, giving the kidnappers more time to get away? Let's just hope they're able to ping the phones and find the baby.

Do they not have a home phone? Some people don't and resort to only having cells. Just curious, and how would a
kidnapper know this? unless of course he knows them, been in their home, knows things.

[HeatherHabilatory]

I've noticed that kids seldom seem to wear pyjamas when they're snatched from their beds.

Babies and kids are all run run run til they drop. My daughter often slept in her clothes because I didn't want to change her clothes and wake her up.

[Obsolete]

Do they not have a home phone? Some people don't and resort to only having cells. Just curious, and how would a
kidnapper know this? unless of course he knows them, been in their home, knows things.

I only know one person that still has a landline. Maybe he/she just assumed they didn't?

[Whisper]

Babies and kids are all run run run til they drop. My daughter often slept in her clothes because I didn't want to change her clothes and wake her up.

My kids always slept in whatever they fell aleep in for the same reason
Ill be damned if I was going to wake a sleeping baby just to put proper pjs on in case something happened during the night

[tmdgirl]

My kids always slept in whatever they fell aleep in for the same reason
Ill be damned if I was going to wake a sleeping baby just to put proper pjs on in case something happened during the night

Same with my 2 toddlers. They are often only wearing shirts or bottoms of some sort when they go to bed...no way am I risking them waking up to change them.

[Jerri Blank]

Same with my 2 toddlers. They are often only wearing shirts or bottoms of some sort when they go to bed...no way am I risking them waking up to change them.

Some of the best advice I got when my baby was born was to not buy onesies for this exact reason. I was told if I got to take that off a sleeping baby, I'll have one mad baby. I found out later that was very true.

When my daughter was the age of this little one I did start getting one piece outfits that she could play and sleep in. they were cute and super soft too. they looked like little dresses but weren't.

kinda party in the front and business in the back :-)

[Silvahalo]

I only know one person that still has a landline. Maybe he/she just assumed they didn't?

True, it has become more common, I don't have a landline either but many people still do today because of connectivity issues and 911 problems. I'm gonna get the magic jack so i can use that number for calls i don't want to give to stuff that isn't friends and family.

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My babies were in pj's almost all the time but they were very much into a bed time routine and very scheduled kiddo's, still are.
But I don't assume every kid goes to bed in pj's, and nothing wrong with that either.

I meant to post this on THIS thread and not Aliaya's. dork.

I caught a snipit of the parents on GMA (Good Morning America). The mother did appear sincerely distraught, the father more in shock than anything else, as he seemed rather stoic and said very little. The mother said the siblings are having a hard time and the 8yo specifically asked "where is Pumpkin Pie?" , Lisa's nickname. God that was so sad.
The father did mention that, "the window was open and the bedroom light was ON. The front door was unlocked." Christ. wtf happened to baby Lisa?

[Rockin Ma]

I'm not sure about the cell phone thing. Maybe it's misinformation and only hers was taken. Why would the dad leave the house without his?

Good news is on GMA this morning they said since 1983 there have only been about 276 or something baby abductions like this and all but 12 were returned home to their families (alive).

[HeatherHabilatory]

This is not good.

ABC news is reporting that the parents have stopped cooperating, though they won't say how or why.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-bab...ry?id=14679914

[Whisper]

Irwin said that his front door was unlocked when he returned home from work at 4 a.m. to find his daughter missing.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-bab...ry?id=14679914

If thats true then hes got an alibi,,,but whens the last person outside of the family seen her?
She couldve been gone Sat,Sun??

Most I know including my mom have only cells but I have landline still b.c I use it more for the rescue
but I like having my landline too

Not huge into my cell phone

[Obsolete]

I'm not sure about the cell phone thing. Maybe it's misinformation and only hers was taken. Why would the dad leave the house without his?

Good news is on GMA this morning they said since 1983 there have only been about 276 or something baby abductions like this and all but 12 were returned home to their families (alive).

It's possible dad has a work cell that he uses while away, or maybe they just took mom's cell and the media reported it incorrectly.

[Whisper]

Bradley said that she had left three cell phones on the kitchen counter, where she had been re-programming the numbers
[...]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-bab...ry?id=14679914
That struck me as odd b/c isnt it during the night you would be charging your phones for the next day??

My hinky is going up on mom,sorry I dont know why it may just be me but shes kinda to detailed(if that makes any sense)
Why wasnt the cell phone thingy released Mon or even Tues,Wed??
Thats kinda relevant isnt it?
JMHO

[Rockin Ma]

...But he did say the couple's claim that their cellphones were stolen hasn't produced any leads that investigators could pursue.

Young says police still have no suspects in the disappearance of their daughter, Lisa Irwin. Her parents say she was snatched from her crib sometime late Monday or early Tuesday.

During a tearful news conference earlier Thursday, her parents described how they frantically searched their home for any sign of their daughter but found only an open window, an unlocked front door and house lights blazing.

http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world...i-1195440.html

[Rothase2]

From KMOV (st. louis news) website-

KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) -- The parents of a missing 10-month-old Missouri girl are no longer cooperating with authorities, and their claims that whoever took their daughter stole their cellphones hasn't produce any leads, police said Thursday night.

Jeremy Irwin and Deborah Bradley, who said their daughter, Lisa, was snatched from her crib sometime Monday night or early Tuesday, had been cooperative since reporting her missing. But they changed course Thursday, Kansas City police spokesman Steve Young said.

"Tonight, they decided to stop talking to detectives, and I don't have to illustrate how that affects the investigation. That speaks for itself," he said.

But he reiterated that investigators still have no suspects.

During a tearful news conference Thursday morning, Irwin and Bradley described how they frantically searched their home for any sign of their daughter after her father came home from work early Tuesday and she wasn't in her crib.

They said they found an open window, an unlocked front door and house lights blazing, and later discovered that their three cellphones were gone.

"They told us three cell phones were missing. It hasn't produced anything we can go forward with," Young said. "The investigation is directed and handled by hard information."

Investigators focused their search Thursday on a heavily wooded area, sewers and an industrial park. About 100 officers were scouring the industrial area and adjacent woods, while others were lifting drain covers and crawling inside.

Authorities have used search dogs to go over the family's home and nearby woods, helicopters, all-terrain vehicles and door-to-door interviews with neighbors.

Police have said one possibility was whether someone entered the home through a front window and snatched the baby, but they haven't pointed to any sign of forced entry.

If you follow the link, there are pics and video... such a cute baby! http://www.kmov.com/news/local/KC-po...131058273.html

[Whisper]

Havent found link yet (cold meds slowing me down) but on ABC Nightline the babys parents held their own presser and said they never quit cooperating and dont know where the police got that from

[mystery]

It sounds fishy that all the lights were on. If you were an abductor would you risk waking anyone up by turning all the lights on?

[Rockin Ma]

I just saw them on t.v. Did you know this is the first time he worked that late at night and the first time she left her door unlocked?

They said they never stopped cooperating, the dad simply was tired after a long day of questioning and asked to go home. They seem really shocked it was construed as not cooperating. Mom said she failed a poly. She may have or not. They also said the cops were trying to turn them against each other.

I hope the breakdown between LE and the family doesn't hurt the investigation.

[Elfearsandvampireteeth]

Damnit! Mybabiesmomma called it! This is likely Baby Sabrina Aisenberg all over again.

I was trying hard to reserve judgement on the parents but my gut was saying ,as always,the parents did it.
Thats not say I'm always right.I fucked up with the Riley Fox case but 9 and a half times out of ten the parent(s) did it.


So after Dad ending an interview early & Mom supposedly failing a poly they are blaming LE for employing standard LE m/o of pitting parents against each other? Really? Look at what the Lunsfords (in Florida....the John Couey case)went through.Media was all but walking Granma to the gallows yet they never gave up & kept doing everything LE asked. Polly Klass is another case coming to mind where Dad said yeah LE put alot of pressure on me but I never waived ,I knew they had a job to do & all they wanted was what I wanted-my daughter home(paraphrasing here).

I see that gorgeous baby & it fills me up with such sadness & makes me hate people even more.

[Dakota Valkyrie]

Looks like they were on GMA this morning.

The parents of missing Missouri baby Lisa Irwin are upset with "tough tactics" used by the police to extract information from them about what happened to their 10-month old.

The couple was displeased with how they were treated on Thursday during a day-long interrogation. Tactics allegedly used by the police included trying to turn the parents against one another, directly accused the mother of having failed a polygraph test, and accusing her of having something to do with the disappearance of her baby girl.

The parents say they are cooperating with the investigation but a statement from the Kansas City police claims the couple "no longer want to talk to detectives."
[...]

"From the start when they've questioned me, once I couldn't fill in gaps, it turned into 'you did it, you did it,'" Deborah Bradley told "Good Morning America" on Friday. "They took a picture down from the table and said 'look at your baby! And do what's right for her!' I kept saying I don't know ... I just sat there. I didn't even ask to leave - I just let them keep asking questions."
[...]

"We were in interrogated for a really long time Tuesday there again, answering questions….I just couldn't' take it anymore," Jeremy Irwin said. "I told them I had to have a break -- no more questions today. I asked to be let go, and they let me go from police station. An hour later was when we saw the press conference from them."

Both parents vehemently denied on "GMA" that they had any involvement with their daughter's disappearance, and reiterated their willingness to cooperate.

"We continue to ask, answer all the questions the best we can and do everything they tell us to do and so I mean, we've done everything we can do," Bradley said.

That conflicted with what Kansas City, Mo., police Capt. Steve Young said earlier.

"The mother and father no longer want to talk to detectives," Young said. "From an investigative standpoint, we enjoyed their cooperation. So far, [it] has been very beneficial to the case. But yeah, you can imagine it doesn't help the case" [that the cooperation has ended].

"Like I've said before, the cooperation of the parents is -- they live in the house. They intimately have information of what's been going on. They know the child, they were maybe one of our best bets to help find this child," Young said. "This doesn't help the investigation."

Ashley Irwin said her brother and Bradley would release a new statement on the case on Friday.

Police have said that they are still investigating what happened at the house Monday night when the baby, who the couple nicknamed "Pumpkin Pie," disappeared from her crib. But as soon as police announced Thursday that the parents had stopped cooperating, the police mobile command center -- which was right down the road from the home -- was closed. The police also pulled down the crime scene tape at the house.

"This evening we will be shutting down the command post. We believe we have done all we can regarding geographic searches and will continue tracking leads as we get them or develop additional information," police Officer Darin Snapp said in a news release Thursday.

Still, Officer Young confirms what the police have said since their initial questioning of the parents earlier this week – that they are not suspects in their child's disappearance.

"The investigation is directed and led by hard information," Young added. "Again, we don't have any suspects. If we had enough to charge anybody with, we probably would be issuing charges."

The dispute over whether Bradley and Irwin were cooperating came after ABC News learned the couple was trying to make lists of possible suspects for police by thinking about all of the people they cross paths with on a daily basis. That meant they were listing every grocer, utility worker who may have been in the house, former friend, classmate, neighbor or acquaintances who may have wanted a child.

They were trying to remember if anyone ever took particular interest in their little girl who was last seen by Bradley on Monday night when she put Lisa to bed at the family home.

Little by little, details have emerged about the mysterious events of Monday night.

The parents revealed this morning that their cell phones were missing when they frantically tried to call 911 after discovering that their "Pumpkin Pie" was not in her crib.

Lisa's visibly shaken father also told reporters about the "unusual" state he found his home in Monday night.

"The windows were open and lights were on and she was nowhere to be found," Irwin told "Good Morning America" today. "We've been going over everything in our minds. We just don't have any idea."

Irwin said that his front door was unlocked when he returned home from work as an electrician at 4 a.m. to find his daughter missing.
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"We were running around the house and were screaming for [Lisa] and she was nowhere," Bradley said. "Then I said, 'Call 911, call 911.' But Jeremy couldn't find the cell phones. They were gone."

She also described to "Good Morning America" how two other children from previous relationships who live in the house have been handling the situation.

"They were crying and asking where [Lisa] was," Bradley said through tears. "My 8-year-old, who's usually really strong, he kind of fell apart. We call her Pumpkin Pie and he said, 'Where's Pumpkin Pie, Mom?' And I couldn't tell him."

"Please. She has a family who loves her very much," Bradley cried. "Take her somewhere safe. Take her to a church, a hospital, a fire department. Just drop her off with somebody and then leave, no questions asked. We just want our baby back."
[...]

The case has baffled police, who still have no hard leads and no suspects, Young told ABCNews.com Thursday morning.
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"We are interviewing family and friends just to eliminate everyone that's close to the family as suspects," Officer Darin Snapp said.

Ernie Allen of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children said that infant abduction cases are relatively rare. There have been 278 documented cases in which newborns or infants have been abducted since 1983.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-bab...ry?id=14688581

[Rothase2]

The only thing new I have seen thus far today (Friday) is that the dad offered to take a polygraph and the police told him that it would not be needed. Very strange events unfolding indeed....

[princessgrandma]

This doesn't sound good. One of my questions was that if they couldn't think of anyone who would take their baby, how is it that they gave the police a list of 9 names?

http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/

Was Baby Lisa the victim of SBS? I hope not, and I hope she's brought home safe, but you gotta think about these things in this kind of case.

[Dakota Valkyrie]

This doesn't sound good. One of my questions was that if they couldn't think of anyone who would take their baby, how is it that they gave the police a list of 9 names?

I may think that no one I know would steal my child but if my baby went missing, I would list anyone that showed interest in my kid. Doesn't mean I think that person actually did it. In an effort to help the investigation, I would put down anyone and everyone that fit what the authorities wanted - no matter how slim the chances were that I thought the person did it.

[Saffron]

I always suspect the parents in these cases. I've just learned to. And the "I trust them because they know her statistics" doesn't work with me especially if you look at the recent picture that they released. They said she was 30" and around 30 lbs... that baby in that picture is NOWHERE near those statistics. You can see that she's fairly short and thin for her age... not the size of a 3 year old. The picture I saw of them on GMA this morning, the dad looked truly confused and upset, the mom was crying but she had that "guilty" look on her face. Something just bugged me about the way she cried. The cell phones missing is another red flag for me. The new thing that is coming up with abductions now is that the cell phones go missing now because everyone knows because of the Casey Anthony trial that they can track your every movement so off they go and they disappear. It's even odd that mom was "reprogramming" the phones before they disappeared. Especially, if a cell phone is your only phone and your husband is at work, why would you reprogram your phones (and not finish the job), leave them on the counter and go to bed with no working phone. Just too weird to me...

[Dakota Valkyrie]

I am suspicious but only because it seems like it's usually someone in the family when this type of thing happens.

The phones don't cause me much alarm. If I was a bad guy, I would steal the phones - just in case they didn't have a land line and to slow them calling 911. I wouldn't keep them - just pull the batteries and toss 'em. That negates any potential GPS tracking.

Just because she had been reprogramming the phones doesn't mean she just up and left them non-working. She may have just started the process and forgot about them. My phone does the rest all by itself when I reprogram it. All I have to do - if I want - is watch it. Boring! I dial the numbers, set it down, and just let 'em rip. It ends the call and restarts all on it's own. She may have done that or if it was more involved, just set them down when done and gone on to some other task. I do not go around my house with my phone in my pocket.

Our chargers are not even in the bedroom so not everyone sleeps with the phone by their side. If the phones are charged, they are in the bedroom. Maybe. Or they are wherever we left them last.

The phone stuff doesn't even make sense as part of the crime so why would they embellish it in? (I know - perps often do nonsensical things). They don't make me hinky as much as what the stats say on "whodunit". Even then, we all know that strangers have been known to sneak in and steal kids. It's just more rare than someone related trying to cover up another crime.

[Whisper]

Ive never heard of a kidnapper breaking into multiple windows and turning every light in the house on
They want to sneek in and out as quietly and unnoticed as possible
And she didnt wake up or the other kids didnt wake up with all these lights on??
I know I wouldve but thats me not everyone else
And I also just saw on the news this was the first time he worked late and first time she left the doors unlocked
Somethings not right in that story,dad does look confused and moms going from bawling her head off to talking fine in a matter of seconds
Its JMHO but my hinkly is up on mom still,I cant put my finger on it

edit:DV answered the phone aspect of post

[Dakota Valkyrie]

Ive never heard of a kidnapper breaking into multiple windows and turning every light in the house on
They want to sneek in and out as quietly and unnoticed as possible
And she didnt wake up or the other kids didnt wake up with all these lights on??

They said they found an open window, an unlocked front door and house lights blazing,

A first-floor window in the front of the house was open, according to what I've read. No multiple broken windows that I've seen. A window in the baby's room showed "signs of tampering" but that may or may not be related.

"house lights blazing" may mean only the main living area. If whoeveritwas was not familiar with the layout but saw all the bedroom doors were shut, they may have thought it better to turn on lights than to bump into furniture. ("bad guys" are not usually noted for their intellect and do lots of stupid things LOL) Due to fire hazard, we sleep with all bedroom doors shut (even the unoccupied ones).

If I was going to stage my kid's abduction, I would leave the lights off to add to the illusion of a bad guy creeping in under cover of darkness. I would make sure the door was unlocked or at least one window was busted inward to show point of access.

It's not proof but in many books I've read, the bad guys unlocks exit doors and open windows before they do whatever nefarious act they have come to do. This is done to make a fast getaway from most any part of the home. Maybe a bad guy read the same books or whoever set this up to look like an abduction did LOL

[Kitty]

What a mess... Gonna add my 2 cents of negativity.. That baby isn't coming home.


I have a landline, I use it for faxing and my MIL's cardiac monitor.

[AngelFire]

I am now leaning towards the parents, more the mom. I too watched the interview and she seemed very worried, but so did Susan Smith and all the others...

[Hellsbells]

Dumpster Fire Leads Police to Search Landfill

An early morning dumpster fire on Tuesday led investigators to search a Johnson County landfill in the Lisa Irwin case. Friday's search was the second time investigators visited the landfill.

Police said someone reported a dumpster fire at an apartment complex at 4897 NE 37th Street at 2:27 a.m. on Tuesday, October 4. The dumpster is less than a half a mile away from the Irwin home.

http://www.fox2now.com/news/wdaf-pol...tory?track=rss