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    Could sealed images from Powell's computer have changed his visitation rights?


    Before Josh Powell was going to try to win back custody of his children last week, Washington state authorities received a set of materials from Utah police that had been discovered on a computer in Powell’s home. The images were disconcerting enough that they prompted a psychologist to recommend that Powell undergo an intensive psychosexual evaluation.

    But a lawyer for Powell’s in-laws, who had custody of the boys, wasn’t invited to see the materials before the hearing — even though a Utah judge had specified in a sealed court order that he was one of the few people allowed to see them.

    Had he seen the images, attorney Steve Downing said, he might have asked the court to change the terms of Powell’s supervised visitation with the boys, such as by asking for the visits to be in a public place. Instead, Downing said he didn’t learn until Thursday morning — four days after Powell killed himself and the boys in a house fire — that he was allowed to see them.

    “I could have filed a declaration,” Downing said. “I could have gone into all the reasons why the visitation could have or should have been restricted.”

    Pierce County Sheriff’s Detective Ed Troyer said Thursday that the materials included nothing that could legally be defined as pornography, but animations of people having sex.

    “There were some little cartoon characters and big cartoon characters,” he said. “There was nothing that would have changed the judge’s mind about custody or anything like that.”

    Powell was the only person of interest in the disappearance of his wife, Susan Powell, from their home in West Valley City, Utah, in 2009. He was never arrested or charged in the case, and a month after she vanished, he moved with his boys back to his father Steve’s home in Puyallup, Wash., south of Seattle.

    Last year, authorities searched Steve’s home, computer and cars for evidence in Susan Powell’s disappearance — and instead said they found thousands of voyeuristic pictures and videos, including child pornography recorded by Steve Powell. The state took custody of the boys and turned them over to Susan’s parents, Chuck and Judy Cox.

    Josh Powell repeatedly tried to regain custody of the boys. At one point late last year, he underwent a court-ordered psychological evaluation. The psychologist held off on finalizing his report for some time, anticipating that he would be able to review materials that West Valley City police had discovered on Josh Powell’s computer, said Washington state assistant attorney general John Long, who represented the state in the custody case.

    But as the Feb. 1 custody hearing neared, the materials still hadn’t arrived from Utah, Long said. It wasn’t until after the psychologist finalized the report that the materials arrived at the Pierce County Sheriff’s Department. When the psychologist saw them, he added an addendum to his report recommending the psychosexual evaluation of Josh Powell — an exam that can include a polygraph as well as more intrusive measures to determine the body’s response to child pornography or other stimuli.

    On Jan. 30, the sheriff’s office arranged a viewing of the materials, said Sherry Hill, a spokeswoman for the Department of Social and Health Services.

    Among the attendees were Long and a Child Protective Services social worker. Downing said he wasn’t notified of the viewing. Long confirmed Downing had been listed as one of those allowed to see the images. However, Downing was not technically a party to the upcoming hearing on Feb. 1, which was between Powell and the state, so there was no rush to make sure Downing saw the materials beforehand.

    Powell’s attorney, Jeffrey Bassett, also did not attend. He said in an email Thursday that there had been some “miscommunication,” and he didn’t learn about the viewing until after the fact. He wasn’t able to immediately schedule another viewing.

    Two days later, Pierce County Superior Court Judge Kathryn Nelson heard arguments from Josh Powell seeking to regain custody of his children. Long opposed that, noting only that “concerning” images from his computer had been provided by the police in Utah.

    After considering Long’s arguments and the recommendation for the psychosexual evaluation, Nelson denied Powell’s request. She said she wouldn’t consider granting Powell custody unless he underwent the exam. She didn’t make any changes in the visitation schedule, which allowed Powell to see his boys, 5 and 7, at his house twice a week while supervised by a social worker.

    On Sunday, the social worker brought the boys to see their dad at his rental home outside Puyallup. After the boys rushed inside, he slammed the door in her face, locking her out. He attacked the boys with a hatchet, then torched the home in a gas-fueled inferno.
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    Just when I thought this story could not piss me off any more, I read this!

    Worker: Josh Powell told son he had 'surprise'


    The Washington state social worker who was supposed to supervise a visit between Josh Powell and his young sons says Powell told his oldest boy he had a "surprise" for him moments before attacking and killing the children.

    Elizabeth Griffin-Hall said in an interview to air on ABC's "20/20" on Friday that Powell slammed the door on her after he had the children inside the house on Sunday. Hall said she banged on the door to try to get inside and heard Powell tell 7-year-old Charlie: "I've got a big surprise for you." She also heard 5-year-old Braden crying.

    On Sunday, the social worker drove the boys from their maternal grandparents' home to their father's house outside Puyallup, about 35 miles from Seattle. Josh Powell lost custody of the boys last fall, after his father, with whom they then lived, was arrested in a child pornography and voyeurism investigation.

    Griffin-Hall said Charlie and Braden loved being with their father.

    "One of them said what he wanted to do was go home and live with his daddy," she told ABC, adding that the boys would "light up" during visits with Josh Powell.

    After he got the boys inside and locked the door, Griffin-Hall called 911 and her supervisor to tell them what was going on. The 911 dispatcher's handling of that call has been criticized, and an investigation has been launched into the emergency response.

    Logs show deputies weren't dispatched until eight minutes after Griffin-Hall's initial contact with authorities, though police say any delay would not have stopped what ultimately happened to the boys.

    The social worker said she told her boss "something terrible is happening here, and I was on the phone with ... when the house exploded.

    "I wanted to get to the kids," she said. "I wanted to get to the kids. I would have broken in if I could."

    But Griffin-Hall told ABC she doesn't think she could have saved them.

    "How this happened is that Josh Powell was really, really evil. I couldn't have stopped him," she said. "I did everything I was supposed to do. I did everything right and the boys are still dead."

    She said she loved the boys and was like a "grandma" to them.

    "The world lost two beautiful boys to a monster," Griffin-Hall said.
    http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7...-surprise.html

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    . . . The Washington state social worker who was supposed to supervise a visit between Josh Powell and his young sons says Powell told his oldest boy he had a "surprise" for him moments before attacking and killing the children.
    . . .Josh Powell's two young sons Charles, 7, and Braden, 5, were murdered by "chops to the neck.
    I hadn't read this. omg. . . I physically feel pain in my heart. . .
    They loved him. . . they loved him and yet he took their lives and made certain their last moments were complete with horror.
    Daddy IS a monster. . . Charlie knew this, must have known he took mommy away. I just can't read this one anymore. . .

    My heart weeps for you Charles and Braden . . my heart is with you, with you both always.

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    http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/0...et-powell.html

    These people leave me speechless..they really do. They'll be meeting Josh in hell soon enough.

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    http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/brea...atement/nHXbh/

    Apparently his Aunt & Uncle want a share of the limelight.

    We are grievously saddened at the loss that the Cox and Powell
    families have suffered. There is no justification for the loss of two
    innocent children, Charles and Braden.

    So we're about to give a bunch of justifications, while painting Josh as a tragic and heroic martyr brought low by the American legal system, media and religious bias.
    OK, so that second part isn't word for word, but it's close enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja0980 View Post
    http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/0...et-powell.html

    These people leave me speechless..they really do. They'll be meeting Josh in hell soon enough.

    LOL! I thought for sure this post was about Josh's family! The logic of their protests is so unbelievably twisted! I agree, @Ninja0980, they will join Josh in hell.

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    http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpps/new...10-fc_17826716

    Images depicting incestuous sex between a parent and child were found on Josh Powell's computer and handed over to Washington investigators just days before he brutally murdered his two children and then killed himself.
    The material stored on the computer was deemed to be so disturbing that one psychologist working on the Powell's custody case recommended that the court prevent the children from being returned to their father, KING 5 reported late Thursday, citing Thomas Shapley of Washington's Department of Social and Health Services (DSHS).
    The images included very realistic "lifelike" simulations of incestuous sex acts, Pierce County officers said, and may have prompted a judge to order that Josh Powell undergo a psychosexual evaluation, according to the report.
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    And yet, those two little boys were forced into the home with that murdering pervert of a father! Un-fucking-believable! There are so many authorities with blood on their hands in this case. The number of points in time that this could have been prevented is mind-blowing.

    I thought the Anthony case was a very fucked-up case. This one is right up there with it! Like Caylee, these two little guys didn't have a chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamagedGoods View Post
    http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/brea...atement/nHXbh/

    Apparently his Aunt & Uncle want a share of the limelight.


    OK, so that second part isn't word for word, but it's close enough.
    Whole family lineage is cracked, sounds like they have a lot of broken branches on that sick tree

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    Jesus Christ, man. This has made me sick, literally ill. My throat is locked up and I'm beyond pissed. What a truly horrible, awful man. Braden had to sit there and watch his older brother die and then be attacked himself. What a waste of oxygen. What a waste of energy.

    Fuck you, Josh Powell. Fuck you to Hell, man.

    RIP little guys.

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    No one's ever heard from JP's mom huh? It's been bugging me all this time that I didn't know her thoughts on all of this over the last couple years.

    Anyone know anything about her? She living?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockin Ma View Post
    No one's ever heard from JP's mom huh? It's been bugging me all this time that I didn't know her thoughts on all of this over the last couple years.

    Anyone know anything about her? She living?
    Ive never seen or read anything about her I just kinda figured she either ran fast and far or shes dead

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    I am watching Erin Burnett on CNN right now and she is reporting that police have found a blood-stained comforter in a storage locker in Washington State. This could be the blanket that was used when he killed Susan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sintax View Post
    I am watching Erin Burnett on CNN right now and she is reporting that police have found a blood-stained comforter in a storage locker in Washington State. This could be the blanket that was used when he killed Susan.
    probr find her body in a storage locker someplace

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    well Miss @Rockin Ma I went looking and came up with this
    Powell's mother reveals he tried to kill himself as a teenager and threatened her with a butcher knife
    So shes around and here the complete article on it actually just reread and thats from 1992


    Feb 10 2012
    Images of 'incestuous' sex found on computer in crazed father Josh Powell's house two years before he killed his sons in murder-suicide explosion
    Lawyer for Powell's in-laws claims tragedy could have been averted if he had known of images before custody hearing last week

    Social worker frantically tried to get into house as she heard boys crying
    Investigation continues into warning signs about Powell's behaviour before he 'hacked up' and killed his two sons, aged 5 and 7
    Emergency dispatcher criticised for taking 8 minutes to alert police
    Powell's mother reveals he tried to kill himself as a teenager and threatened her with a butcher knife
    2009 disappearance of Powell's wife changed from a missing person case to a homicide investigation


    Images depicting 'incestuous' sex were discovered on a computer in Josh Powell's home two years before he this week killed himself and his two young sons in a house fire.
    Police in Washington state last night revealed that Utah authorities found the material so unsettling that they prompted a psychologist to recommend Powell undergo an intensive psychosexual evaluation.
    A lawyer for Powell's in-laws, who had custody of Charlie, seven, and Braden, five, said Sunday's tragedy might have been averted had he seen the computer-generated images before a custody hearing last week.
    Powell locked a social worker out of his house in Puyallup, Washington, during a supervised visit with his sons. He attacked both boys with a hatchet and then killed them and himself in a gas explosion.

    Detective Ed Troyer said the images collected by investigators from Powell's home computer in Utah two years ago were realistic computer-generated depictions of 'incestuous' parent-child relations.

    He said: 'It's family-oriented in nature. It is incestuous.'

    Detective Troyer said the images could not be legally defined as pornography because they do not involve real people.


    Attorney Steve Downing, who should have been one of a few people allowed to see the 'incestuous' images, last night said he would have asked a custody court to change the terms of Powell's supervised visitation with the boys had he known of the material's existence.

    Mr Downing said he might have asked for the visits to be in a public place.

    Instead, he only saw the images for the first time yesterday, four days after the boys were killed.


    Mr Downing said: 'That would have absolutely given me the opportunity to submit a declaration about our deep concern. I was approved... to view those pictures and I was never notified.

    'I could have gone into all the reasons why the visitation could have or should have been restricted.'
    Detective Troyer said the judge in last week's custody hearing was informed of the images at the proceeding.

    The latest developments come after social worker Elizabeth Griffin Hall revealed Powell told his eldest son he had a 'surprise' for him moments before attacking the children.

    Ms Hall told ABC News that Powell slammed the door on her after he had the children inside. She said she frantically banged on the door to try to get in.


    She then heard Powell tell seven-year-old Charlie: 'I've got a big surprise for you.'

    She also heard Braden, five, crying before Powell set the house on fire killing them all.

    On Sunday, the social worker had picked the boys up from their maternal grandparents’ home and driven them to their father’s house outside Puyallup, about 35 miles from Seattle.

    Powell lost custody of the boys last year, after his father Steve Powell, with whom they then lived, was arrested in a child pornography and voyeurism investigation.

    Powell had also been named as a person of interest in the 2009 disappearance of his wife in Utah.

    Since Sunday’s explosion, the case into Susan Powell's disappearance has changed from a missing person case to a homicide investigation.

    Powell maintained he had taken his boys - then two and four - on a midnight camping trip in freezing temperatures when she disappeared from their home.


    It has also been revealed that when Powell was a teenager, he threatened his mother with a butcher knife and tried to kill himself.

    In court papers from 1992, Terrica Powell wrote: 'I felt extreme fear when Josh made a veiled threat at me with a butcher knife in his hand.

    'His demeanour was menacing for a moment as he said, "Don't push it, mom,"… I was terrified and left the room to go downstairs.'
    Investigators are pouring over his prior court filings and personal history, as well as the recorded emergency tapes, for clues of whether or not the murder-suicide could have been prevented.

    The recordings showed that the man who took the 911 call engaged in nearly seven minutes of questioning that ended with him saying he didn't know how long it would be before deputies could arrive, which was too late as Powell had already torched the home, killing himself and the two boys.

    The call logs show that nearly eight minutes elapsed between when a social worker called 911 to report that Josh Powell's children were in danger and when sheriff's deputies were dispatched.
    The priority of the dispatch on Sunday was ‘routine’ instead of ‘emergency,’ which cost several minutes of response time, and when the deputies arrived 14 minutes later, there was nothing they could do.
    [...]
    ‘We have to respond to emergency life-threatening situations first,’ he said.

    Detective Troyer said: ‘I see two problems - the delay in the dispatch, and they dispatch it as a routine call.

    ‘Had our guy been going priority, and had they dispatched it in the first three minutes, we probably could have shaved ten minutes off our response - but there's no way we get there in time.’

    The logs show that the social worker called 911 from her cellphone at 12.08pm, but it took her until two minutes into the call to find the address of the house.

    Home News U.S. Sport TV&Showbiz Femail Health Science Money RightMinds Coffee Break Travel Columnists News Home Arts Headlines Pictures Most read News Board My Profile Logout Login Find a Job M&S Wine Our Papers Feedback My Stories Saturday, Feb 11 2012 12AM 0°C 3AM -1°C 5-Day Forecast Images of 'incestuous' sex found on computer in crazed father Josh Powell's house two years before he killed his sons in murder-suicide explosion
    Lawyer for Powell's in-laws claims tragedy could have been averted if he had known of images before custody hearing last week

    Social worker frantically tried to get into house as she heard boys crying
    Investigation continues into warning signs about Powell's behaviour before he 'hacked up' and killed his two sons, aged 5 and 7
    Emergency dispatcher criticised for taking 8 minutes to alert police
    Powell's mother reveals he tried to kill himself as a teenager and threatened her with a butcher knife
    2009 disappearance of Powell's wife changed from a missing person case to a homicide investigation
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    Images depicting 'incestuous' sex were discovered on a computer in Josh Powell's home two years before he this week killed himself and his two young sons in a house fire.
    Police in Washington state last night revealed that Utah authorities found the material so unsettling that they prompted a psychologist to recommend Powell undergo an intensive psychosexual evaluation.
    A lawyer for Powell's in-laws, who had custody of Charlie, seven, and Braden, five, said Sunday's tragedy might have been averted had he seen the computer-generated images before a custody hearing last week.
    Powell locked a social worker out of his house in Puyallup, Washington, during a supervised visit with his sons. He attacked both boys with a hatchet and then killed them and himself in a gas explosion.
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    Tragedy: Images depicting 'incestuous' sex were discovered on a computer in Josh Powell's home two years before he this week killed himself and his two young sons in a house fire

    Powell ushered his boys in the house and blocked the social worker from entering. She then called her supervisor saying she smelled gas, and moments later the house went up in a fiery blaze
    Detective Ed Troyer said the images collected by investigators from Powell's home computer in Utah two years ago were realistic computer-generated depictions of 'incestuous' parent-child relations.

    He said: 'It's family-oriented in nature. It is incestuous.'

    Detective Troyer said the images could not be legally defined as pornography because they do not involve real people.

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    Attorney Steve Downing, who should have been one of a few people allowed to see the 'incestuous' images, last night said he would have asked a custody court to change the terms of Powell's supervised visitation with the boys had he known of the material's existence.

    Mr Downing said he might have asked for the visits to be in a public place.

    Instead, he only saw the images for the first time yesterday, four days after the boys were killed.
    Horrific: The social worker called 911 twice in the minutes before the explosion, but emergency workers were hesitant to respond to the call because it was not immediately life-threatening
    Frantic: Social worker Elizabeth Griffin Hall pounded on the door and called emergency services after Powell took his sons inside and locked her out. Minutes later the house exploded
    Mr Downing said: 'That would have absolutely given me the opportunity to submit a declaration about our deep concern. I was approved... to view those pictures and I was never notified.

    'I could have gone into all the reasons why the visitation could have or should have been restricted.'
    Detective Troyer said the judge in last week's custody hearing was informed of the images at the proceeding.

    The latest developments come after social worker Elizabeth Griffin Hall revealed Powell told his eldest son he had a 'surprise' for him moments before attacking the children.

    Ms Hall told ABC News that Powell slammed the door on her after he had the children inside. She said she frantically banged on the door to try to get in.
    Under investigation: Powell had been named as a person of interest in the 2009 disappearance of his wife. Since Sunday's explosion, the case into Susan Powell's disappearance has changed from a missing person case to a homicide inquiry

    Family: Susan is seen with Josh and older son Charlie shortly after Braden was born
    She then heard Powell tell seven-year-old Charlie: 'I've got a big surprise for you.'

    She also heard Braden, five, crying before Powell set the house on fire killing them all.

    On Sunday, the social worker had picked the boys up from their maternal grandparents’ home and driven them to their father’s house outside Puyallup, about 35 miles from Seattle.

    Powell lost custody of the boys last year, after his father Steve Powell, with whom they then lived, was arrested in a child pornography and voyeurism investigation.

    Powell had also been named as a person of interest in the 2009 disappearance of his wife in Utah.

    Since Sunday’s explosion, the case into Susan Powell's disappearance has changed from a missing person case to a homicide investigation.

    Powell maintained he had taken his boys - then two and four - on a midnight camping trip in freezing temperatures when she disappeared from their home.

    SOCIAL WORKER'S FIRST 911 CALL
    Elizabeth Griffin-Hall: I’m on a supervised visitation for a court-ordered visit and something, really weird has happened. The kids went in the house and the biological parent, Josh Powell, will not let me in the door. What should I do?
    Dispatcher: What’s the address?
    Griffin-Hall: 8119 and I think it’s 89th, I don’t know what the address is, let me get in the car nothing like this has happened like this before. I’m really shocked, and I could hear one of the kids crying, and he still won’t let me in... You can’t find me by GPS?
    Dispatcher: No.
    Griffin-Hall: OK, it is... I still can’t find it. He’s on a very short leash with DHSH, he looked right at me and closed the door. It’s 8119 189th Street Court East Puyallup. I’d like to pull out of the driveway because I smell gasoline, and he won’t let me in.
    Dispatcher: He won’t let you out of the driveway?
    Griffin-Hall: He won’t let me in the house.
    Dispatcher: Whose house is it?
    Griffin-Hall: Josh Powell.
    Dispatcher: You don’t live there?
    Griffin-Hall: No, I’m contracted by the state to provide supervised visitation... He’s the husband of Susan Powell, this is a high-profile case. I was one step in back of them.
    Dispatcher: So they went in the house and locked you out?
    Griffin-Hall: Yes, he shut the door in my face.
    Dispatcher: What is your name?
    Griffin-Hall: My name is Elizabeth Griffin-Hall.
    Dispatcher: What agency are you with?
    Griffin-Hall: Foster Care Resource Network, and the kids have been in there by now approximately ten minutes, and he knows it’s a supervised visit.

    Dispatcher: And the dad’s last name?
    Griffin-Hall: Powell.
    Dispatcher: And his first name?
    Griffin-Hall: His first name is Josh.

    Dispatcher: Is he alone, or was anyone with him?
    Griffin-Hall: I don’t know, I couldn’t get in the house.
    Dispatcher: Are you in a vehicle now?
    Griffin-Hall: I’m in a 2010 Prius... He won’t let me in. I rang the doorbell and everything. I begged him to let me in.
    Dispatcher: Elizabeth, please listen to my questions. What colour is the Toyota Prius?
    Griffin-Hall: Gray, dark gray.
    Dispatcher: OK, we’ll have someone look for you there.
    Griffin-Hall: Do you know how long it will be?
    Dispatcher: They have to respond to emergencies, life-threatening situations first.
    Griffin-Hall: This could be life-threatening. He was in court on Wednesday and he didn’t get his kids back and this is really... I’m afraid for their lives.
    Dispatcher: Has he threatened the lives of the children previously?
    Griffin-Hall: I have no idea.
    Dispatcher: OK we’ll have the first available deputy contact you.
    Griffin-Hall: Thank you.
    THE SECOND 911 CALL
    Dispatcher: Hello. Were you calling about the fire on 189th street?
    Griffin-Hall: Yes, he exploded the house. He exploded the house.
    Dispatcher: Ma’am, do you know the exact address?
    Griffin-Hall: It’s 8119 189th Court East in Puyallup.
    Dispatcher: What are you calling about?
    Griffin-Hall: It exploded, the house.
    Dispatcher: Do you know where you are?
    Griffin-Hall: 8119 189th Street Court East in Puyallup.
    Dispatcher: Do you know if there’s anyone in the house?
    Griffin-Hall: Yes, there was a man and two children. I just dropped off the children and he wouldn’t let me in the door.
    Dispatcher: Stay on the line with me. I’m going to get the fire department. Hang on. Don’t hang up. Stay on the phone here with me ma’am. Fire this is Rose. I’m transferring the lady who has the exact address.
    Griffin-Hall: I can hear the fire trucks, but they’re not here yet. It’s 8119.
    Dispatcher: We have an engine there.
    Griffin-Hall: People are saying there is not somebody here, but there’s a couple of boys, 5 and 7, he has supervised visitation and he blew up the house and the kids.
    Dispatcher: The kids and the father were in the house?
    Griffin-Hall: Yes, he slammed the door in my face so I kept knocking. I thought it was a mistake, I kept knocking and then I called 911.
    Dispatcher: You saw him go back in the house?
    Griffin-Hall: He didn’t ever leave the house, he just opened the door, the kids were one step ahead of me, they are 5 and 7, they were one step ahead of me and he slammed the door in my face.
    Dispatcher: Do you think he might have done this intentionally?
    Griffin-Hall: Yes.
    Dispatcher: County, go ahead with what you need.
    Dispatcher: What is your name, ma’am?
    Griffin-Hall: I’m Elizabeth Griffin-Hall, I’m the supervisor visitation (incoherent noises and crying).
    Dispatcher: What is your last name?
    Griffin-Hall calmly spells it.
    Dispatcher: Where are you at right now?
    Griffin-Hall: I’m at 8112 on the same court.
    Dispatcher: So you are at 8112 189th Street Court East.
    Griffin-Hall: Yes.
    Dispatcher: Are you in the car?
    Griffin-Hall: I was in it I’m standing outside it right now.
    Dispatcher: Is that your home address?
    Griffin-Hall: No, I’m the supervised visitation coordinator.
    Dispatcher: What is the person’s name?
    Griffin-Hall: His name is Josh Powell. Just a minute the sheriff is here.
    Dispatcher: Go ahead and talk to the officer, ma’am.

    It has also been revealed that when Powell was a teenager, he threatened his mother with a butcher knife and tried to kill himself.

    In court papers from 1992, Terrica Powell wrote: 'I felt extreme fear when Josh made a veiled threat at me with a butcher knife in his hand.

    'His demeanour was menacing for a moment as he said, "Don't push it, mom,"… I was terrified and left the room to go downstairs.'

    Investigators are pouring over his prior court filings and personal history, as well as the recorded emergency tapes, for clues of whether or not the murder-suicide could have been prevented.

    The recordings showed that the man who took the 911 call engaged in nearly seven minutes of questioning that ended with him saying he didn't know how long it would be before deputies could arrive, which was too late as Powell had already torched the home, killing himself and the two boys.

    The call logs show that nearly eight minutes elapsed between when a social worker called 911 to report that Josh Powell's children were in danger and when sheriff's deputies were dispatched.

    Josh Powell ushered his boys in the house and blocked the social worker from entering. She then called her supervisor saying she smelled gas, and moments later the house went up in a fiery blaze
    Unexpected: The children were at the home for a court-ordered supervised visit with their father, and there had been a number of visits before that had happened without incident
    The priority of the dispatch on Sunday was ‘routine’ instead of ‘emergency,’ which cost several minutes of response time, and when the deputies arrived 14 minutes later, there was nothing they could do.
    In the call, the social worker detailed how Powell had locked her out of his house during what was supposed to be a supervised visit with his sons, that she could smell gas, and that she feared for their lives.

    ‘We have to respond to emergency life-threatening situations first,’ he said.

    Detective Troyer said: ‘I see two problems - the delay in the dispatch, and they dispatch it as a routine call.

    ‘Had our guy been going priority, and had they dispatched it in the first three minutes, we probably could have shaved ten minutes off our response - but there's no way we get there in time.’

    The logs show that the social worker called 911 from her cellphone at 12.08pm, but it took her until two minutes into the call to find the address of the house.
    Killed: Charlie (left) and Braden (right, shown in a toy car) Powell were hacked nearly to death by their father with a hatchet, but the investigators say that they didn't die until the fire took over the house
    A presence: Braden (left) and Charlie (right) stand in front of a memorial picture of their mother Susan, who disappeared in December 2009, while staying at their grandparents house
    Susan Powell went missing in 2009, and recently her son was saying that she was in the trunk of the car on the night before she disappeared

    Three minutes after that, the man who took her call transferred the information to a dispatcher, who alerted two deputies about two-and-a-half minutes later, at 12.16pm.
    But at precisely that time, calls began pouring in to report explosions at the house about 35 miles south of Seattle - apparently from the fire blowing out windows.

    The first deputy arrived at 12.30pm to find the home engulfed in flames.

    Detective Troyer said the sheriff's office was disappointed that the initial call-taker left the impression that help wasn't immediately on the way: 'Are we unhappy with the etiquette and the manner? Yes.'

    He said he hoped the call centre will ensure the same mistakes never happen again.

    Powell's sister, Alina Powell, called 911 about five minutes later to say she received emails from her brother explaining what to do with his property and saying he couldn't live without his sons.

    She told a dispatcher she feared her brother was going to do something because of pressure he faced after his wife's disappearance.

    ‘I'm terrified to drive over there,’ she said, sobbing. ‘I'm not afraid of him. He's never hurt me. I'm afraid of seeing something I don't want to see
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    Before I read your long new post, Whisper, I gotta say.....

    Alina Powell looks like a fatass cunty bitch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HeatherHabilatory View Post
    Before I read your long new post, Whisper, I gotta say.....

    Alina Powell looks like a fatass cunty bitch.
    yeah she does,,article was long thats why I didnt add the pics ,people can view them at link

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    also 20/20 is all about this tonight

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whisper View Post
    also 20/20 is all about this tonight
    Thanks for the heads-up....the DVR is now set!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sintax View Post
    Thanks for the heads-up....the DVR is now set!
    on mine its saying a diff one
    then next commercial they say All About Powell,,,
    so I think its b/c it just happened and they didnt pull the commercial yet for the one that was supposed to be on

    does that make sense lol I know what Im trying to say

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    Dateline is all about him too and looks better then 20/20s

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    I missed it though I doubt I would have watched. Wasn't going to come back in this one but my mind has been constantly on these precious children..

    I really feel for the social worker Elizabeth Hall, tho I take issue w/ how CPS handled things, no one should have to witness such a thing. It will be a firm example one they will not likely forget.
    It must have been a complete fucking nightmare being there when that happened. The 911 calls are infuriating. The dispatchers must be mentally challenged.
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    I watched the 20/20 show last night. It was okay, but I didn't really learn anything new. They had the social worker on, but I had already heard clips of what she was going to say. However, I also recorded the Dateline program from last night and I am watching it right now. I have already learned a few things.....

    Susan's mom questioned the idea of marrying Josh. Mom was leery. She thinks Susan felt she could "change" Josh into a more outgoing person. WRONG! Ladies, that never works!

    Josh was never really employed. He worked sometimes in real estate and web design from his house. I wonder if that is because no one would hire his ass. This is important, in that Josh knew that if he divorced Susan she would most likely get the kids because she had the steady income. (Possible red flag)

    Josh and Susan moved in with Josh's sister, Jennifer, and her husband after getting married. The day Susan went into labor with their first child, Josh said he was "too busy" working at home to take her to the hospital right then. So, her parents took her. When Josh arrived at the hospital, he sat in the back of the room on his computer. (Red Flag, people!)

    Those poor little guys! Now Josh's sister is saying that Susan would put the boys to bed and then Josh would tell them to get out of bed! How confusing!!! Parents need to work together to have success, not undermine each other. What a fucktard!

    Jennifer says that Josh started spending multiple hours many times a week on the phone with his father. Susan complained that Josh was getting harder and harder to live with.

    Once when Chuck and Judy Cox had gotten custody of the boys, Chuck was driving Braden to preschool and Braden said, "Grampa, you need to change your name." Chuck said that his name was just fine the way it was, so why should he change it? Braden repled, "'Cause Charles Cox is a bad person, so you need to change your name." "Who says Charles Cox is a bad person?" "My Daddy."

    In Josh's parent's divorce papers there is an incident described in which Josh, as a teenager, killed his sister's hamster by smashing against the cage. Josh's mother was outraged. Josh's father, Steve's response to that was that Josh's mother didn't understand teenage humor. (Huge Red Flag!)

    One time, Charlie told his Grampa that he sure hoped Mommy knew how to camp because she was out somewhere where she needed to know how to camp.

    OMG! They now believe that house that Josh rented (and later blew up) was staged for visitations --that he really didn't live there. They think Josh actually lived at Steven's house.

    Now they are interviewing the male 911 operator. He says it is now excruciating to listen to himself. I would agree!

    A police source says they grilled Steven Powell relentlessly about this case this week. His response was silence. Fucker! They know Steven knows something about Susan's murder. But, so far, they can't do a damned thing about it! I don't think I could handle the frustration of police work.

    They know that Josh spent 90 minutes at the storage locker on Saturday going through Susan's things. They found a comforter among Susan's things and preliminary reports show blood on it.

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    Incestuous images of a father and child..... my god, Josh Powell was as bad as his father, only they had slightly differents tastes in victims, I guess.

    And this?

    So we're about to give a bunch of justifications, while painting Josh as a tragic and heroic martyr brought low by the American legal system, media and religious bias.
    It makes me literally want to toss my cookies. Martyr, my ass.

    You know, I was thinking that Josh's personality and treatment of his wife kinda reminds me of Jason Young, who is accused of bashing his 5 month pregnant wife, Michelle's head like 30 times, killing her in 2006. Supposedly he was in a motel in Virginia but a convenience store clerk in NC remembers seeing him at 5 to 5:30 AM on the morning Michelle was killed, so it's assumed that he drove home, killed her, then left the baby alone with her dead mother and went back to VA to make sure his alibi was good. He put on a show for the world but the life that Michelle had to live with that pig was nothing near the idealic relationship she always wanted. I'm sure that, by the time she'd gotten fed up and ready to move on, Susan had her eyes well-opened when it came to Josh, which he couldn't stand.

    The only difference between Josh Powell and Jason Young is that Powell killed his wife and two sons separately. Jason Young took out his wife and unborn son in one fell swoop. NC doesn't have the law in place that would also charge Young with his unborn son's death, which I think sucks big time.

    The idea that a man who is a raving psycho and kills his wife and children is a martyr is actually so rediculous, it's funny.

    ** Jason Young's first trial ended last year in a hung jury. He's been out of jail since then and looks tanned and relaxed. I've been watching his second trial on In Session. They've put off showing the Dalia Dippolito trial to put his on as well as reporting on the George Huguely trial in Virginia. I just hope that Jason Young is convicted this time. There is no physical evidence linking him but there is an eye witness who saw him in NC on the morning his wife was killed when his alibi is that he was asleep in the motel in VA.
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    I can't believe anyone thinks Josh Powell is a victim but then again,I'm not. Look at the Mary Ann Holder case. She killed her two sons,her niece and nephew,and her son's girlfriend before killing herself. ANd yet...http://www.facebook.com/#!/maryannho...family?sk=wall
    Going to be no different here. You have the majority of his family making excuses for what was a cold blooded murder and nothing more...with plenty of other stupid people joining them.
    Josh Powell was "hounded" because he refused to cooperate with police in regards to his wife vanishing,a wife whom was in the process of leaving him,was living with a father who likes kiddie porn and was trashing the name of the woman he said he loved.
    His sister Jenn and her husband are the only ones in the family willing to call him what he really is..a monster.
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    The Dateline was by far better then 20/20 I thought
    20/20 concentrated on the social worker only
    and I feel horrible for her ,I have heard her speaking already and Dateline did have new stuff

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    Quote Originally Posted by princessgrandma View Post
    Incestuous images of a father and child..... my god, Josh Powell was as bad as his father, only they had slightly differents tastes in victims, I guess.

    And this?



    It makes me literally want to toss my cookies. Martyr, my ass.

    The idea that a man who is a raving psycho and kills his wife and children is a martyr is actually so rediculous, it's funny.
    Just to make sure it's clear, they didn't technically say that second part, I did. Though, imho, they might as well have, they just spent a lot more time dancing around it. I was... paraphrasing you might say.

    Why they felt the need to get involved either way eludes me.
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    Family, teachers remember Powell boys in Tacoma

    The family of missing Utah woman Susan Powell thanked police, social workers, teachers and everyone who cared about her two sons at a funeral Saturday for the boys who were killed by their father in a gas-fueled blaze.

    The boys' grandfather Chuck Cox also thanked people of all faiths who had prayed for 7-year-old Charlie and 5-year-old Braden after they died.

    It "helps us to know that there are good people in the world - good people who fight against evil," Cox said.

    The boys' father, Josh Powell, was in the middle of a custody battle with Cox when he torched his rental home in Graham last Sunday, killing himself and the two boys.

    Powell was a person of interest in his wife's disappearance in Utah two years ago, and prosecutors consider the fire an admission that he killed his wife.

    Cox gained custody of the children more than five months ago after police arrested Josh Powell's father, Steve, on voyeurism and child pornography charges.

    The kids were arriving for a supervised visit when Josh Powell blocked a social worker from entering the home. He then attacked the boys with a hatchet and torched the house, authorities said.

    More than 1,000 people attended Saturday's public funeral at Life Center Church in Tacoma, Wash. Many of those attending wore purple and blue ribbons in memory of Charlie and Braden.

    At the service, two teachers shared their memories and read letters from other instructors who had interacted with the boys.

    Charlie was remembered as a kid fascinated with science and insects, often trying to sneak worms or caterpillars into the classroom. He was about to get glasses and loved to write, dreaming up plans to market his books.

    "He is safe in his mother's arms," said Tammy Ougheon, Charlie's kindergarten teacher in Utah.

    His younger brother, Braden, preferred cars and trains, teachers remembered, and last Halloween got to dress up as a Transformer. Braden, teachers said, loved to be tickled.

    "His little spirit lives on in the hearts of all who knew him," said Kristie King, an instructor at a YMCA that Braden attended.

    People started lining up outside the church more than an hour before the service was set to begin.

    Tony Deponte, 39, said that he was in "total shock" when he heard of the boys' deaths.

    "The first thing I did was stop and pray for these children," said Deponte, of Tacoma. "The whole community is feeling their loss."

    At the front of the church's sanctuary, the boys were in a single casket topped with a large flower arrangement that included daisies, roses and sunflowers. Three screens in the sanctuary showed a photo of Susan Powell and the two boys, all smiling.

    Amanda Morse, of Seattle, was standing outside the church, holding her 5-month son, Ronan. She said she wanted the family to know that they weren't alone.

    "It was a tragedy that shouldn't have happened," she said.

    A private family interment will take place Monday at Woodbine Cemetery in Puyallup.
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    Father-in-law dragged deeper into Powell saga

    In a folder on his work computer labeled "Personal Pics," Steve Powell maintained a peculiar collection of photos: 55 depicting his daughter-in-law Susan but few if any showing his son.

    Thousands of images and emails on his Washington state government-issued laptop provide a small glimpse into his increasingly scrutinized world. Authorities said this week that he is a person of interest in her 2009 disappearance in Utah.

    The files, obtained by The Associated Press as part of a public records request, portray Steve Powell as a meticulous worker who gathered photos by the thousands and had his life upended by the constant inquiries that ensued after Susan vanished.

    He is now in jail on voyeurism and child pornography charges — and on suicide watch.

    Powell's son and Susan's husband, Josh, killed himself and the couple's two young sons in a gas-fueled inferno Sunday that a prosecutor considers an admission that he killed his wife.

    Until this week, authorities have only publicly discussed Steve Powell in relation to the charges he now faces. But a warrant and emails indicate that he has been dragged deeply into the Utah investigation surrounding his son, and police say they want to interview him to see if he knows anything about his daughter-in-law's disappearance.

    "He may or may not have information that may be beneficial to us," said Sgt. Mike Powell in West Valley City, Utah, where Josh and Susan Powell lived at the time of her disappearance. Sgt. Powell is not related to the family.

    The September warrant sought details specifically from Steve Powell's laptop, which he used in his job helping coordinate purchase and placement of school furniture. It also requested a search of state-owned vehicles that Powell may have driven.

    Steve Powell said last year that he had a flirtatious and somewhat sexual relationship with Susan Powell. Her parents said she thought he was a creep and moved to Utah in part to get away from him.

    In a search of Steve Powell's Washington state home last year, authorities found explicit images on his computers and images of people being photographed without their knowledge. Among them were pictures of Susan Powell.

    Those findings led to the charges of voyeurism and child porn, to which he has pleaded not guilty. The state took custody of Josh Powell's boys and turned them over to Susan's parents, Chuck and Judy Cox.

    Powell's work computer has a batch of photos of Susan Powell, though none appear to be sexual. They depict her and the kids opening Christmas presents and out during Halloween. A few show Susan Powell and the kids more formally dressed. It's not clear who the photographer is.

    An attorney for Steve Powell did not return a call seeking comment.

    Pierce County Prosecutor Mark Lindquist, who is overseeing the voyeurism prosecution, said it's his understanding from the images collected that Susan Powell is the subject of much of Steve Powell's photographic attention.

    He said the many images of Susan Powell might be of some interest to Utah authorities, but he has seen no evidence connecting Steve Powell to what he calls Susan Powell's murder.

    Emails show that Powell was actively working in the days around when Susan Powell disappeared on Dec. 6, 2009. He responded to emails the next morning, even drawing praise from a manager for pointing out an oversight related to holiday cards.

    A school district contact that he was scheduled to meet with that week said she never had any problems with Steve Powell and never realized he was Josh Powell's father until seeing him later on television.

    "He was always professional and did what he was supposed to do," Susan Garthwaite said.

    A couple weeks later, on Dec. 21, he wrote to a colleague about how Josh and the boys had moved back to live with him and that the children were traumatized by the bright lights of the media and "the searches."

    "Even with Josh and the boys here, I am so numb much of each day that I have to put myself on auto-pilot to get things done," he wrote. "I know there are people with worse problems, but when it's yourself experiencing the suffering, you can't just tune it out."

    He then added: "I still need to send a card to Susan's folks."

    Her parents said no such card ever arrived.

    Powell later described to a colleague in 2011 how he and Josh were baffled by the ongoing investigation in Utah.

    The case appeared to take an increasing toll on him. He requested time off around the time of the search warrants and then later complained of harassing phone calls from Utah that accused him of "harboring a criminal, accusing my son of murder."

    In the search warrant used to examine Powell's belongings, authorities said, they were investigating a murder in West Valley City, Utah, though nobody has ever been charged with a crime.

    Utah investigators say the case remains open and they are still publicly calling it a "missing persons" matter.

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    There are cases where a parent does everything right or the best they can and their children still choose to do evil. In other cases, you can point to the parent when we ask how could a human being become so twisted and cruel and this is one of them.

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