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    Josh Powell will not be buried at same cemetery as his sons
    Josh Powell will not be buried in the same cemetery as his two sons who he killed earlier this month.

    Terri Powell, Josh's mother, released the following statement Thursday:
    "We have tried so hard to be loving and considerate and respectful in making Josh’s burial arrangements. We love our little Charlie and Braden and want their resting place to be a place of peace and comfort. We have made the determination that Josh will not be buried at Woodbine Cemetery, but are in the process of making other arrangements. Thank you to all who have so lovingly supported us in this time of inexpressible anguish. Our hearts go out to all of you who — like us — are reeling with shock and grief."

    Wednesday there was a public backlash after it was reported that some of Powell's relatives were requesting that he be buried next to his sons in Puyallup's Woodbine Cemetery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whisper View Post
    Josh Powell will not be buried at same cemetery as his sons
    http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-josh...4490878.story#
    About freaking time they use a little bit of common sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MotherManderkin View Post
    About freaking time they use a little bit of common sense.
    yeah nice to see his mom actually speaking out at least and making sense

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    Exactly...especially knowing how many quacks there are in that family tree. Ugh, time for those sweet babies to rest in peace

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    Quote Originally Posted by MotherManderkin View Post
    Exactly...especially knowing how many quacks there are in that family tree. Ugh, time for those sweet babies to rest in peace
    yeah and I cant count the family members/tards that come on here defending their kids and shes not and in the few times Ive seen her speaking its never to defend him,only the whacko father and 1 sister have

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whisper View Post
    yeah and I cant count the family members/tards that come on here defending their kids and shes not and in the few times Ive seen her speaking its never to defend him,only the whacko father and 1 sister have
    I can't even imagine how that woman must feel knowing that THAT is what she raised and brought into the world. *Shudder*.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MotherManderkin View Post
    I can't even imagine how that woman must feel knowing that THAT is what she raised and brought into the world. *Shudder*.
    Im not sure shes had major contact with him
    I know in the 90s she accused him of threatening her with butcher knife and he was going to commit suicide and thats all I have seen of her involvement with him until this today

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    I did not know about any of that involving the mother! Wow... I can't say I'm surprised because he was definitely a lunatic but I do feel sorry for his mother. From what you have told me it sounds as though this was her decision, and she's obviously more rational than the rest of them because she made the right choice not to bury him next to those angels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MotherManderkin View Post
    I did not know about any of that involving the mother! Wow... I can't say I'm surprised because he was definitely a lunatic but I do feel sorry for his mother. From what you have told me it sounds as though this was her decision, and she's obviously more rational than the rest of them because she made the right choice not to bury him next to those angels.
    i agree

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    I've thought about josh powell's mom a lot. I wonder if during the separation with steve powell he controlled the kids and spent so much energy making her life hell that she had to just put her hands up and move on including moving on from the kids.
    Dear Mommy...I see you smile down there below...are those tears of joy you show? I'm glad you're happy, although you lied...I'd love to be right by your side...but by your choice, I view from above...tell my Grandparents I send my love...it's Beautiful here, is all I can say...your life will go on... without me in your way. Love Caylee XOXO......
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    A sheriff and his sergeant in Washington state have bought burial plots next to Josh Powell's boys in order to block family members from burying him next to them, according to a media report Wednesday.
    This had me in tears. Really, people like this I wish I could shake their hand and hug them. They get it entirely, how can one not? but then we see the sister trying to buy the plots up. Sorry, ain't gonna happen even if the water pipes not an issue don't see decent folk letting that happen.

    I feel for the mother to child killer.
    I cannot imagine living through such a nightmare such hell and waking to that every day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whisper View Post
    he was going to commit suicide
    The world would've been better off.

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    From a long article:
    New documents released Friday reveal much more about Josh Powell, what he had on his computer, and shed light on the disturbing and negative influences he was having on his young children.

    They also reveal for the first time Powell's own detailed description of the camping trip he said he took on the night his wife, Susan, disappeared in December 2009.

    The Department of Social and Health Services in Washington released nearly 1,000 pages of documents of child welfare records related to the Powell family. The records include court documents, case notes, visitation reports, examinations and intake referrals concerning young Charlie and Braden Powell.

    The documents reveal details about 400 computer-generated images of incest found on Powell's computer that were turned over to Washington child welfare officials during the custody battle between Powell and his missing wife's parents, Chuck and Judy Cox. Because of the way a Utah judge had released the images, only a limited number of people were on an approved list to view them, according to the records.

    Many depicted well-known cartoon characters such as the Simpsons, the Flintstones, Jungle Book, Superman, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Rugrats, SpongeBob SquarePants and others engaging in sexual activity, including incest, group sex, sodomy and more.

    "While drawings may not be illegal, per se, they were very suggestive of a global approval of sex between and adult and a minor," Dr. James Manley wrote.

    The psychologist said the number of images suggested Powell likely had a high degree of interest in such activities and said Powell may not be "a stable and appropriate resource for his children." He recommended Josh Powell undergo a psychosexual evaluation to obtain more information about him.
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    During his custody battle with his in-laws, Josh Powell forbade any Mormon influence on his sons, details strongly supported in the newly released documents. After the Coxes were awarded temporary custody of Charlie and Braden, Josh Powell's supervised visits with the children were scheduled for Wednesday evenings and on Sundays during the time when the Coxes attended LDS services.
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    In February 2011, then 6-year-old Charlie Powell told a group of students at Carson Elementary School that he did not have a younger brother.

    "The Mormons killed my brother and my mom," he told them, according to the welfare report.

    In June, Charlie told a student who wanted to sit next to him and be his friend that he was "going to come to your house at night and kill you." He also said, "I hate Mormons."

    Charlie was taken to a counselor's office where he said his mom lives a mile away. But he said he couldn't see her because her parents "are Mormon and they abuse her."

    He also told the counselor that he "wanted to kill the boy because he is Mormon and they kill people; they are ordered to kill people and all scientists who believe in Jesus," according to welfare documents.
    [...]

    "Do you know what I hate? I hate Jesus. He is made up and fake," Charlie Powell, the older boy, said at one point. The boys explained to the social worker that these were sentiments shared by their father.

    The next day, Charlie told the social worker that the "Mormons are trying to steal me" and that they moved to Washington from Utah because a Mormon in Utah was trying to take him to the desert.
    [...]

    During another hearing, the boy told the social worker that his missing mother, Susan Cox Powell , was "hiding from everyone so that his grandparents don't abuse her."

    In one report, the social worker noted that Chuck Cox was having trouble getting the boys to bed because "they like to sleep without any PJs or underwear on" and that they "insist their dad lets them sleep without any clothes and walk around their house without clothes and they want to go by their dad's rules."

    The Coxes also noted that the boys were making sexualized comments.
    [...]

    In the same report, a social worker said the Cox family expressed concern that Josh Powell "didn't seem to make the most" of his supervised visitation with his two boys. The Coxes said that information came from Powell's pastor, Timothy Atkins, who until recently had been allowing Josh Powell to have some supervised visits with the children at his home.

    "They stated (the) Atkins had said Josh doesn't seem to interact with them as much as he would have expected and let them play with the Atkins' kids more than anything," a report states.
    [...]

    Atkins had just days earlier told social workers his family no longer wanted to help with supervised visits. "As more information has been made available to us through this process, we have realized how much we did not know and have still to learn about the status of the Susan Powell case and its relationship with the custody case for Josh Powell," Atkins said in an email dated Feb. 2.

    Other reports indicated that Josh Powell no longer wanted to have visits at Atkins' home.
    [...]

    In early November, when the boys visited Josh Powell's new home in Graham, Wash., for the first time, they walked around with their dad, who had placed throughout the home photos of their mother, photos from the couple's wedding and photos of them with the boys as babies. An accompanying social worker said the boys and Josh Powell kept referring to it as being "just like Mommy's house."

    The social worker noted the home seemed very "staged," as if for his approval. Police later confirmed they believe Josh Powell did not live in that home and had staged it for visitation purposes.
    [...]

    Other new details from the documents include:

    • From Sept. 23, 2011: Josh Powell told a child protective services worker that he takes pictures of other peoples' legs in public places, "but is careful that they are not too close or show any faces," a report states. "He stated that he is only an amateur but he likes to take pictures of legs when he sees something that is nice."
    [...]

    • From Nov. 11, 2011: A counselor said Charlie has been "programmed to hate" the Cox family, and that "he has been completely brainwashed" about Mormons and other things.
    [...]

    • From Nov. 29, 2011: It was mentioned in messages between various social workers that Braden had told his father (out of the blue) that "they found Mommy's body in the desert."

    In the same correspondence, Chuck Cox told social workers that Charlie was talking on the phone to a friend in Utah and had said they would only be coming back to Utah "if Mommy came back," but said that "Mommy might be dead."
    [...]

    • From Dec. 9, 2011: A counselor asked Charlie to talk about a picture he had drawn of children playing in a circle. There was a big "X" drawn over it. Charlie said he doesn't have any friends or want any friends and he likes to "do stuff alone when he is at school." He said kids at school don't like him or can't be friends with him because of the situation at home and things going on with his mom.

    • Sometime between Dec. 29, 2011, and Jan. 5, 2012: While staying at the Cox home, the boys shoved mud into an electrical socket. Several outlets were covered before the Coxes realized what was happening and when Josh Powell found out about it, he was very upset. He sent an email to the department saying the kids shouldn't be in the Cox home. He said that as their father, he would have noticed them doing something so dangerous.

    • From Feb. 3, 2012: Chuck Cox said Braden had recently told his great aunt that he wanted to live with the Coxes "and all the people he sees there."

    More documents from Washington in the Powell case are expected to be released early next month.
    http://www.deseretnews.com/article/8...-children.html


    Powell's psychological report from December 2011: http://www.scribd.com/doc/81994361/J...logical-report
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja0980 View Post
    Josh Powell's should be cremated and his ashes thrown to the winds. I'm glad to see he won't be anywhere near the sons he murdered.
    Better yet, his ashes should be thrown in a trash land fill

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    The psych report says that Josh's brother, John, was living at Steve's along with the sister that is drinking the KoolAid, Alina. I can't believe John is normal or sane. That was quite a house full of crazy! Those poor little boys never stood a chance!

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    From page two of the article in DV's post above.......

    Child welfare officials noted at that time from police reports that pornography was found lying openly in Steven Powell's room, another relative "runs around the home nude and in a diaper" and has greeted police at the door naked.
    Is this Josh and Alina's brother, John? That was a house of horrors! Why did Steve Powell have all of his adult children living with him? Creepy Weird!

    Here's another one from the same article, page three.........


    In one report, the social worker noted that Chuck Cox was having trouble getting the boys to bed because "they like to sleep without any PJs or underwear on" and that they "insist their dad lets them sleep without any clothes and walk around their house without clothes and they want to go by their dad's rules."
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    Chuck and Judy Cox to join Sen. Pam Roach in a press conference and hearing Feb. 23


    Chuck and Judy Cox will join Sen. Pam Roach (R-Auburn) in a press conference and hearing this Thursday.

    The purpose of the meeting will be to explore the serious problems within Child Protective Services and offer solutions to actions that may cause children harm.

    Attorneys for the Cox family, Anne Bremner and Steve Downing will also be in attendance.
    “CPS needs to directly hear from the public,” said Roach. A public comment period will be held after the press conference.

    "At the end of the meeting the department will be presented with ideas for change," said Roach.

    "Everyone in the room will have a story to tell. We are going to ask them, in short comment, what changes should be made in the way the department does business,” said Roach.

    When: Thursday, Feb. 23, 2012
    Time: 12:00 noon to 1:25 p.m.

    Where: Senate Hearing Room 4, Cherberg Building, Olympia

    http://www.courierherald.com/news/139552478.html

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    Still nothing on the blood and comforter,been 10 days shouldve had something back by now

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    Susan Powell's Family Contemplates Lawsuit

    http://www.chathousenews.com/2012/02...templates.html

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    Psychologist: Josh Powell had adjustment disorder, narcissistic personality disorder
    http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-jo...,5021310.story
    Wow really??
    Im going to start a new singles site for Singles With Narcissistic Personality Disorder
    Only fee is they have to be spayed to join b/c Josh and Casey cuntface wouldve been a match made in hell

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    Magna cemetery donates land for Susan Powell memorial


    West Valley City • Pleasant Green Cemetery in Magna is donating a plot of land for a memorial to Susan Cox Powell and her two sons, West Valley City Mayor Mike Winder announced Tuesday.

    Hiram Bertoch, president of the nonprofit cemetery at 9200 W. 3500 South, came up with the idea, and the cemetery board approved the donation of a 15-by-15-foot plot.

    A Kearns sculptor, Stan Watts, is donating his time to make a statue, according to Powell’s friend Kiirsi Hellewell, who will head a memorial committee. Hellewell said she likes the idea of a statue of a mother and two sons but no decision has been made yet.

    "There’s a real need for everyone to heal," Bertoch said.

    A Susan Cox Powell Memorial Fund has been set up and donations can be made at Cyprus Credit Union. Bertoch hopes to have the memorial completed by Powell’s birthday in October.

    Susan Powell has been missing since December 2009, when she mysteriously disappeared from her West Valley City home. Her husband, Josh Powell, 36, was the only person of interest in her disappearance. He killed himself and their two boys, Charlie, 7, and Braden, 5, on Feb. 5 by setting his rental home ablaze.

    http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/53...susan.html.csp

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    True crime author Ann Rule to write Susan Cox Powell story

    The bizarre twists and turns in the case of missing West Valley City mother Susan Powell have all the makings of an interesting true crime story.

    And now, the case will become just that: Renowned crime writer Ann Rule — who has tackled the stories of serial murderer Ted Bundy and the Green River Killer, Gary Leon Ridgway, during her 35-year career— plans to publish a book on the story of Susan Powell, who disappeared two years ago, and her husband, Josh, who killed himself and his two sons in a fiery blaze earlier this month.

    Chuck Cox, Susan Powell’s father, confirmed Tuesday that he and his wife Judy will meet with Rule on Thursday as the Seattle-based author continues work on a project about his daughter and son-in-law.

    Cox said it’s unclear whether the family will profit from Rule’s latest venture, but said the writer made a contribution to the Susan Cox Powell Foundation, and any other money entitled to the family would be used to advance the foundation’s mission.

    "We don’t have any desire to make any money on anything," Cox said, adding that Rule had started research on the book prior to the murder of his grandsons.

    Rule could not be reached for comment, but told a Seattle radio station in the days following the Powell boys’ slayings that she considers Josh Powell among the worst killers.

    "This would be in the top five things that have shocked me over the last 30 years," Rule told radio station KIRO 97.3, in Washington. "A lot of parents kill their children to get revenge on an ex-spouse, but they usually don’t die themselves."

    Cox said he supports the idea of a book that would bring attention to the case and what may have gone wrong during the investigation into his daughter’s 2009 disappearance, as well as shortcomings by Washington child welfare agencies — which he believes emphasize the idea of family reunification over the safety of children.

    http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/53...-rule.html.csp

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    Quote Originally Posted by sintax View Post
    True crime author Ann Rule to write Susan Cox Powell story
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    Here's the problem with most CPS agencies in the country. They are vastly understaffed,underfunded and are often the first to get hit with cuts.
    I had a friend who quit because she had too many cases and in her words,it came down to trying to figure out which kids were in more danger and hoping the other ones would make it.
    This won't be the first CPS failure of 2012 we hear about..and it won't be the last.

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    narcissistic personality disorder
    Big shocker there, huh?

    It seems that's a standard diagnosis for a killer parent, whether they kill their kids or just the wife. I've been watching Jason Young's retrial for the bludgeoning murder of his pregnant wife, Michelle, in November 2006. His first trial (last year) ended in a hung jury, like 8 to 4 for acquittal. I know there's no real physical evidence that links him to the crime scene, but, as Jeff Ashton stated, there is an "unacceptable level of coincidence" in this case. He was away on a business trip when Michelle was murdered, BUT there are some suspicious things that happened at the motel that night that cannot be ignored, like a door being propped open so he didn't have to use a key card or enter the building from the front and be seen, and the security camera in the stairwell (to the door that was propped open) was first unplugged, then plugged back in but turned upward to face the ceiling. It's been noted that the person who turned up that camera would have to be at least six feet tall. Jason is over six feet. He had time to drive home, kill his wife, then get back to Virginia in time to only be a few minutes late for the business meeting that was his alibi.

    I would really REALLY hate to see him win acquittal for a murder that I have a feeling no one BUT him could have committed. He cheated on her (with one of her best college friends, in one case) and wanted her to get an abortion when he found out she was pregnant with their daughter. They ended up getting married rather quickly but if you look at the whole picture, this guy really never let his marriage slow him down in his extra-curricular activities.

    I won't go on and on since this thread is really about Josh Powell, but there are so many similarities in the actions and mindsets of men in these cases. It's scary that there are people walking around in our everyday lives that have the potential to be a psycho killer. What's REALLY scary is that sometimes they are never caught or are found not guilty when it's so obvious what has gone on. Sorry to get off the subject here, kinda.
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    Well, while I am just so into being off-topic here, I want to say that I searched but came up with nothing on Michelle Young or Jason Young on the Demon. So.... I just wanted to throw in that they had closing arguments in the Jason Young trial today. It was almost 5 PM when they finished up so the judge is going to give the jury their instructions first thing in the morning and send them off to begin deliberating.

    I have to say, I wasn't sure how the prosecution was going to tie all the pieces together, but after hearing their closing, it all came together for me. Jason Young was always a manipulative person who had to have control of every situation. He didn't want to be in the marriage anymore but he knew that if there was a divorce, Michelle might take their daughter and go back to Long Island, where she grew up. He was having sex with at least two women in the months right before Michelle's murder, one of them in his own house just a week or so before his wife was murdered. His wife had gone to NY, but his daughter was upstairs in bed while he was having sex with a "friend from camp" (he knew her from camp when they were kids) who was so madly in love with him that she had no self-respect at all, doing what she was doing. Michelle did not know he was cheating. As a matter of fact, I think there was an agreement that they wouldn't cheat, or they would at least tell each other before doing so or something like that.

    Yes, he's a jerk. Yes, he's a cheater. Yes, he has grossly inappropriate behavior (such as his 'dick tricks' that Michelle's friend described b/c he liked to expose himself in mixed company). Yes, he's a murderer. He gets my vote.

    **ETA: I can't remember if I mentioned it before but Michelle Young was 5 months pregnant with their second child, a son, when she was murdered. They got married b/c she was pregnant the first time, and this pregnancy would have tied him down even more with another child. He couldn't have that. He solved his problem.

    OK, I'm done. Carry on with the right topic :P
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    I am convinced Jason Young killed his wife. He should live his life in jail.

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    Powell boys talked about mother's disappearance
    DSHS case notesdetail boys' interactions with their father


    On paper, Josh Powell tried to appear like a loving father, writing his two boys daily letters once he lost custody in September 2011. He wrote, “I love you and Braden more than anything in the world” and “Everything I do is for you.”

    Powell also tried hard to make his home seem like a safe place for his children. In Washington state Department of Social and Health Services case notes from a supervised visit over Thanksgiving weekend, a social worker noted the home was immaculate with everything neatly arranged and that the home was child-friendly and smelled like holiday spices.

    During that visit, the social worker noted a troubling conversation, however, between the boys and their dad. While eating chocolate pie, Braden said to his father, “They found Mommy in the desert.” Powell then became agitated and turned red, according to the worker.

    About 1,700 pages of documents in the Powell case were obtained from DSHS Friday.

    During a court-allowed visitation, Powell killed his two sons, Charlie, 7, and Braden, 5, and himself in a gasoline-fueled fire in a rental home near Graham on Feb. 5.

    Powell had also been a person of interest in the 2009 disappearance of his wife, Susan Cox Powell, when they lived in Utah. He lost custody of his sons when his father, Steven Powell, in whose Washington home he was living, was arrested on child pornography charges.

    In the DSHS case notes, after the Thanksgiving visit with their father, the Powell boys returned to the home of their grandparents, Chuck and Judy Cox, who had temporary custody of them. Chuck Cox said he overheard Charlie talking on the phone to a friend in Utah and telling him he would only come back if his mother came back, but “Mommy might be dead.” Charlie also told his friend that he was starting to remember lots of things from when he was in Utah.

    On Nov. 29, 2011, Forest Jacobsen, the Washinton Department of Social and Health Services worker assigned to the case, asked the woman who supervised the visits for more details about the children’s comments about their mother.

    In the months before their murder, Charlie and Braden starting talking about their mom a lot, including during a brief stay with foster parents. One of the foster parents said one of the boys talking about a graveyard, saying, “Of course they’re going to find bones there. I’m talking about Susan."

    There is also evidence DSHS had growing concerns about the children’s safety, saying Powell's home was becoming unstable because law enforcement officials in Utah were clear they were going to arrest Powell soon.

    DSHS also showed frustration with the West Valley City, Utah, Police Department over its failure to immediately relay word about finding computer-generated sexual images of cartoon characters and incest drawings on Powell’s computer during a search of his Utah home in 2009.

    "I can’t fathom how they’ve had those computers for almost two years and suddenly bring this up,” DSHS said.

    On Feb. 1, a Pierce County judge ordered Powell to undergo a psychosexual evaluation before deciding whether he could regain custody of his boys.

    On Feb. 3, Jacobsen sent an email to staff, saying, “I feel as though the work of this case is pretty much done barring any new developments, and the case will resolve based on the newly ordered evaluation and any action or inaction by law enforcement.”

    Two days later, Powell killed his children and himself in an inferno.

    Josh's father, Steven Powell, is set to stand trial on child pornography charges later this month, on March 20.
    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/kcpq-...,2515409.story

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    fucked up people dont know they are fucked up

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    Well, there's one less fucked up person walking free in the world as of today. Jason Young was found guilty today of First Degree Murder in the death of his pregnant wife, Michelle in November of 2006. That's life without chance of parole. There is justice in the world sometimes. It just takes a while.

    RIP Michelle & little Rylan.

    Now, I'll stop hijacking this thread. I'm sorry. Any murder is bad, but it really tears me up when a child is murdered by a parent or a caretaker, or a mother or father is taken away from a child b/c of the selfish narcisstic actions of the other parent. I have watched practically every moment of this trial and it has affected me so much.
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