http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/10/18...traception.ap/
I am an idiot, and did not read thoroughly, as usual of course, and yes it was meant as a joke. In my defense it came up twice and the first one looked like a real article, second not so much.
As for the Maine/Massachusetts birth control issue, what do you all feel about it? Should we be giving birth control to kids w/o parental consent?
Btw, what are you all eating for dinner? I think I will be eating a few words.
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I'm totally confused - I looked at that site and it's satire.See the ACLU was not really against the birth control pills being given to children w/o parental consent, just that to them in their "minds" it was promoting one type of sex, that being heterosexual sex over another. As long as those pill packets say that there are other ways to have sex than just heterosexual sex they are cool with it.
I think the ACLU is wacked too and while I wouldn't put something like this past them, this report was a joke, not a true story. Am I missing something?
No wonder why I can't find a girlfriend. The ACLU is telling them to be gay so they can avoid birth control pills.
Well maybe after they hit menopause they will go straight again.
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Sex is sex regardless. Oral, anal, mutual masturbation, whatever.
I'm glad my 12 year still says, "Ew." I know that won't last forever, I don't live under a rock. There is an 8th grader at her school that is pregnant. (Well, this girl may or may not be going into 9th grade as school got out yesterday.) My daugther was mortified. They were in the clinic the same day about a month ago and she said she scooted away from her. First of all I told her that pregnancy isn't contagious then I said, "Well that was a nice way to show some support to someone that's probably scared to death." She hung her head.
I'm not real comfy with birth control being available behind my back and without a check up by a GYN first. Condoms maybe but not the pill.
No I was missing something, like I said it came up a few times in searches and I took it to be true, read the last one but did not "get " that it wasn't true. Sorry guys.
Especially to 11 year olds, that is quite young.
Im preaty sure like Squeaky pointed out the otlandish ACLU stuff in the second link is meant to be satrical...
As for birth control pills being handed out for real witougth parental consent, well on one hand that shit can mess with a girls sistem, cicle and whatnot a girl/woman should really visit an OBGYN before taking them for the first time not trust some school nurse but on the other many girls wouldnt confide in their parents to tell em they are sexually active and it can prevent a truckload of unwanted pregnancies... tougth call.
I think that birth control administered without parental knowledge is ABSOLUTELY FUCKING FANTASTIC. I think it's so fantastic, in fact, that I donate to the local clinic who provides this service.
We can't have it all, folks, we just can't. We disallow schools to hand out condoms. We disallow clinics to administer birth control. We federally fund abstinence-only sex education...
What are we left with? Reality. We clinch out eyes shut and cross our fingers and pray to fucking GOD that we raised our children in such a manner that we won't get that parental notification for an abortion.
The fact is this: Teenage girls are self-conscious and awkward creatures. Even if your kid knows they can talk to you about that kind of thing, it doesn't mean they will. I'm a perfect example of this. I was a smart, obedient kid with very reasonable parents. The communication there was good. My parents let me date and they talked to me about sex. I sure as shit wasn't going to ask them to go take me to get birth control, though.
Luckily, I didn't have to. I went to that local clinic, snagged a Rice Krispie treat out of the basket in the lobby, watched some MTV until I was called in, got checked out by a legitimate doctor, got asked a litany of questions about my state of mind, my sexual history, got educated about STDs and got myself a shot of depo-provera. The doctors there specialized in dealing with teens, understanding their sensitivities. I was made to feel comfortable and, most importantly, I was educated.
Do you have any idea how many girls just wouldn't have bothered getting birth control had that clinic not existed? My high school had the highest number of teenage pregnancies in the state before that clinic opened up (just blocks from the high school). That number plummeted. I don't need anymore proof than that that these clinics are fundamentally important to preventing unwanted pregnancies...preventing abortions.
We have to make concessions. If we don't want our kids to have an abortion or an unwanted pregnancy, we have to provide them with a non-threatening option, because abstinence-only education just doesn't work. These clinics, whether they're at the school themselves or simply in the vicinity, do just that.
Edit: I don't know how these programs work elsewhere, but around here, it's not the school nurse blindly doling out birth control. These clinics are operated by area hospitals and largely funded by them (and private donation). These are actual OBGYNs handling patients, and girls are given annuals at these clinics.
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http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.a...20071106a.html
One group sued the school rather in November of 2007. This is just about that.
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http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/bir...l-pill/WO00098
Birth Control pills have risks, as do Depo and the patch, the patch is responsible for deaths.
Birth Control pills rigid schedule and timing of taking them for affectiveness have made many a women have to double up or get pregnant by not following the schedule. Are we really to believe an 11 year can follow taking it at the same time? What happens when the child is ill and they have to list all medications but do not list the pill?
This is a real pill a medication, I am responsible for my child not a school nurse.
These people are being ridiculous. There are a couple facts of the matter that I'm not going to source right this second (as I'm on a crappy dial-up connection and that would take FOREVER), but will be happy to provide proof for should anyone question.Originally Posted by celtic friend
1.) The dissemination of birth control does not result in increased rates of sexual activity among children.
2.) Abstinence-only education is not only ineffective, it's detrimental. Minors who receive this education are not only no less likely to have sex than minors who receive comprehensive sex ed, they are less likely to use protection.
With that in mind, the group pursuing the suit weakly attempts to connect the prescription of birth control to children under the age of 14 with illegal activity. Frankly, a kid getting birth control is not necessarily having sex. I started birth control when I was 16. I didn't lose my virginity until almost 2 years later. Some girls pursue birth control to fit in with sexually active friends. Others do it out of fear of rape. I did it because I heard depo stopped periods. Girls have all sorts of reasons.
If Christian conservatives had there way, there'd be an orphanage in every town in America. Kids won't stop having sex, so why take away their ability to prevent pregnancy?
"Now that ceaseless exposure has calloused us to the lewd and the vulgar, it is instructive to see what still seems wicked to us. What still slaps the clammy flab of our submissive consciousness hard enough to get our attention?"
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Then be responsible and opt-out. It sounds like you can refuse to allow your child to receive treatment from the school health center, which means they would not be able to get birth control there.
Seems simple enough to me.
"Now that ceaseless exposure has calloused us to the lewd and the vulgar, it is instructive to see what still seems wicked to us. What still slaps the clammy flab of our submissive consciousness hard enough to get our attention?"
Thanks Athena, When I read the article I just imagined some school nurse handing em out willy nilly but its likeley like what you describe everywhere, I have zero problem with teens geting contraceptives as long as they are handed by an OBGYN.
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Some thoughts, is this procedure of giving children bc pills w/o parental knowledge kind of sending the message that it is Ok for kids to do things behind their parents' backs even take medicines behind their parents backs?
Please don't reply kids will always lie to their parents, because this is different, this is a trusted adult/nurse giving them these things. If this IS your argument should we stop trying to tell kids to be open with their parents, since it also seems the same argument is being made about sex? It's basically, they won't stop even at 11, so why not just give in and stop encouraging abstinence? Last, I checked I do believe they said more kids are waiting to have sex.
I think the age of consent does mean alot, most certainly the girls getting these pills are doing so for sexual reasons, if it was for a "real" medical condition I am sure the parents would have taken the children. A nurse is not going to give it out because a girl does not want her period, or if a girl fears she will be raped, the girl most likely is saying sexual reasons, and an 11 can not consent to sex. Is the nurse responsible for asking the child who she is engaging in these behaviors with? Does she tell the girl the stigma associated with being a slut or considered one, that if she leaks that she is on the pill horny young men might be all of a sudden interested in her? How much does this nurse do that a parent should?
If I am refusing the health center, am I refusing all of its services? Just curious, I will have to look. Thankfully I have boys.
Dop, these are 11 year olds.
So are you saying you have no problem with your hypothetical daughter getting birth control pills without your knowledge from her school at 11?
Some thoughts, is this procedure of giving children bc pills w/o parental knowledge kind of sending the message that it is Ok for kids to do things behind their parents' backs even take medicines behind their parents backs?
Please don't reply kids will always lie to their parents, because this is different, this is a trusted adult/nurse giving them these things. If this IS your argument should we stop trying to tell kids to be open with their parents, since it also seems the same argument is being made about sex? It's basically, they won't stop even at 11, so why not just give in and stop encouraging abstinence? Last, I checked I do believe they said more kids are waiting to have sex.
I think the age of consent does mean alot, most certainly the girls getting these pills are doing so for sexual reasons, if it was for a "real" medical condition I am sure the parents would have taken the children. A nurse is not going to give it out because a girl does not want her period, or if a girl fears she will be raped, the girl most likely is saying sexual reasons, and an 11 can not consent to sex. Is the nurse responsible for asking the child who she is engaging in these behaviors with? Does she tell the girl the stigma associated with being a slut or considered one, that if she leaks that she is on the pill horny young men might be all of a sudden interested in her? How much does this nurse do that a parent should?
If I am refusing the health center, am I refusing all of its services? Just curious, I will have to look. Thankfully I have boys
I'd sign a paper that had a limited opt-out. I would authorize only the Depo shot.
I hope I raised a kid that understood my teaching/thoughts/beliefs about sex. I hope I was doing a good enough job that my pre-teen wasn't needing contraceptives. I hope I did a good job as a parent and my kid could come to me. If she felt she couldn't I hope that she understood the need for contraception and protection.
And if all my hopes are dashed... I sure as hell am not going to hope she remembers her pill everyday.
If everything laid out fails and my daughter is going to have sex, I would prefer the risk of side-effects of the contraceptive to the even greater risk of her becoming pregnant.
Luckily all my daughters are grown. I hope I raised them good enough to parent their daughters.
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Yeah, Dakota b/c pills are not that reliable and you really have to take them at the same time everyday.
Yeah. But when the boys start puberty ( most boys start at between 9 and 14 year old) They'll be curious and horny. The hormones in their bodies are becoming more active. Just like girls. No difference. You'll have to deal with washing the wet stains off from their bed sheets....
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No, I know Little Friend. My oldest is 10 and he is starting to get a little 'tude and talked even of a girlfriend. Different problems but in the end the same problems.
They can only wear a contraceptive though and IF they did, it would cover all of the bases, ex. STDs and pregnancy, not 100 percent but only abstinence is 100 percent. I would rather see a push for women to carry a female condom with them like they do a male condom. That way they are not relying on the male to protect them from diseases, which a pill can't.
Have you tried to use a female condom! It's like screwing through a sandwich baggie. And it does not stay in place. I worry about my boys because if they are idiots they can knock up untold women in a week. My daughters can only get pregnant once a year.
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My husband always said he'd rather raise boys because then you only had to worry about ONE penis.
(we have 4 girls and 2 boys)
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Female condoms??? Oh dear. That's how I got pregnant with my son. It always don't work. I suggest BC pills and male condoms at same time. Better than sorry. IMO.
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Nell the woman clearly has more of the responsiblity in the end. We have the baby, our lives are changed forever no matter what, even if we abort, we still deal with the emotional aspect of that. How many men out there do not pay child support? We also have the experience of child birth, which while beautiful, might not be so much to a 13 year old. Women more often than not are the ones that raise the child.
Women are typically considered sluts if they sleep around, men often are high fived for the same acts.
Now maybe improvements should be made on the female condom front, but they won't be if there is not a big demand, I say women and sexually active teen girls, should take charge of every aspect, including diseases, not just taking their partners word they are wearing a condom. I say if you not in a committed relationship, female condom should at least be considered, while it may be uncomfortable its better than taking 40 HIV meds a day.
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Ok so they might not be great, all birth controls have a failure rate. LOL
My point is, if they are offering birth control to combat pregnancy they should consider the push for the female condom too, allowing the female to protected against both. I have heard of men saying they are wearing one, and not wear one, or take it off.
I also hear of male condoms breaking all of the time.
Good god, that was a joke! I think LOL is highly overrated so I don't use it. Next time I will use an appropriate smiley. And you know the saying no glove no love? Yeah, that pretty much stops an unwanted pregnancy or STD in its tracks. If women have the most responsibility for the BC then they shouldn't be too immature to insist on one.
Anything else? I have no desire to see my girls screwing every dick in their school, but I also don't wanna be a grandma in my early 30s. And to call women slutty for using birth control or say horny men will follow them around is ridiculous. Did we time warp back to the '50's while I wasn't looking? Are you mad cause I groaned you or what? I am sorry if you were offended by it.
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No, I don't care that you groaned me I already said awhile back, I really don't believe in them. I don't get mad at what peoples opinions are on here. I also said back then that I will groan someone who groans me, 'cause I am childish like that. That is my reason pure and simple.
Nell, no one is advocating grandmom's at 30, but sexually active at 11 isn't so attractive either.
I also never said a woman was slutty for using birth control. I said that girls who talk about being on birth control at 11 might not get the best of reputations. I also said that parading this info around just might give boys the idea you are sexually active, and boys hitting puberty can SOMETIMES be just about one thing. See Nell, we are talking about middle schools, the beginnings of puberty, not grown adults in their 20s or 30s. Reread what I wrote and what age groups we were talking about.
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Nell, no one is advocating grandmom's at 30, but sexually active at 11 isn't so attractive either.
I also never said a woman was slutty for using birth control. I said that girls who talk about being on birth control at 11 might not get the best of reputations. QUOTE]
Well, reputations really are not that important. If there an eleven year old girl who is sexually active and talk about being on BC....that is very sad but it's better than becoming pregnant.
I read what you wrote very carefully. I am weird like that. I know what age group we are talking about. I was very interested in this when I saw it because I have a 12 year old girl. Thankfully, she is still a little girl and thinks men and boys are gross. But I lost my virginity at 14 and as much as it would pain me to put her on birth control, or even to have her get it behind my back, I would rather that then babies.
And boys of any age can SOMETIMES be about one thing. Which is why I believe the way I do. It's not gonna make one whit of difference if a girl is on birth control to horny boys.
And taking their word on it that they are using a comdom? What does that mean? I can feel the difference if the guy isn't wearing a condom. And even if I couldn't I would hand it to him, watch him put it on, then fuck him. Problem solved. Again, responsibility. Female condoms are not only expensive they are hard as hell to use. I tried them. If you don't aim the dick just right it doesn't really work that great. And when I was a teen boys and girls didn't care that much about aiming just right.
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So you don't think to 11 year olds a girl on birth control says anything? It most certainly does.
You said women and men that is why I was not sure if you knew what age group I was talking about. If you are for your child being on birth control behind your back so be it.
LittleFriend, in middle school your reputation is alot, to adults we can handle, to kids it can break them. That is why they have bullying programs and so forth, not just for violence but because kids care about whatever kids say about them. For an 11 year old to be "giving it up" so young when they clearly can not make the most informed decisions, they might be having multiple partners and likening the wrong kind of attention.
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