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    ok kkkitchen i need some help i just came home from upstate n i was up there with missy i cant believe people r saying this can u please fill me in on whts going on i honestly can not c her doing this she is such a sweet person... i remember missy saying that her xhusban was living with one of his siters so he call take care of the baby at this point now that was in 2007 so can u please help me understand this this is crazy when does trial start do u know who the sister is I dont know the sisters name i knwo the x name but thats it fill me in if u can please

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    I am pretty shocked there building a case with the exiguous material we have read here. I have to believe there is more, I just gotta. If not this shouldn't make it to trial imo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerri Blank View Post
    I am pretty shocked there building a case with the exiguous material we have read here. I have to believe there is more, I just gotta. If not this shouldn't make it to trial imo
    They changed the cause of death to homicide. The original coroners findings were consistent with suffocation. That, combined with the admission on tape, seems to be enough for the DA to want to try it again. PROVING it was murder may be tough, but it is about convincing a jury. They may have more but we shall see:)
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    Quote Originally Posted by kopbitchs View Post
    ok kkkitchen i need some help i just came home from upstate n i was up there with missy i cant believe people r saying this can u please fill me in on whts going on i honestly can not c her doing this she is such a sweet person... i remember missy saying that her xhusban was living with one of his siters so he call take care of the baby at this point now that was in 2007 so can u please help me understand this this is crazy when does trial start do u know who the sister is I dont know the sisters name i knwo the x name but thats it fill me in if u can please
    Is it really so hard to use proper English? Is it really that much of a hassle to write or type out "ex" or "what" or "see" or "you"? Jesus.
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    I don't see why both things couldn't be true; that she killed the baby (based on the autopsy evidence and her confessions) AND that her ex is manipulative and selfish and only turned her in to get revenge because the custody case didn't go the way he wanted. They don't cancel each other out.

    And just because someone seems sweet when you socialize with them, doesn't mean that you know how they will conduct themselves when babysitting a crying baby while in heroin withdrawal.

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    true i agree n for nell yes it is hard cause i am doing it from my phone so i type like i am texting thank u very much but it wasnt hard for u to understand it was it but anyways my tying is not question i want to know wht the sister as to do with this an y all of a sudden they r bringing this up i understand that it is over custody but also i think they should have looked more into it back then when this all happened i would like to know more caus ei just came home an heard abt all of this. can someone fill in empty spaces for me cause from my understanding trial start some time in april but i dont know all the facts which certain people on here seem to be close to this case an i would like them to fill me in for i do know missy an would like to give support but again i do not see anything abt sister that kkitchen was talking abt an nothing on the childs father abt him being a addict so can people fill this in for me thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by kopbitchs View Post
    true i agree n for nell yes it is hard cause i am doing it from my phone so i type like i am texting thank u very much but it wasnt hard for u to understand it was it but anyways my tying is not question i want to know wht the sister as to do with this an y all of a sudden they r bringing this up i understand that it is over custody but also i think they should have looked more into it back then when this all happened i would like to know more caus ei just came home an heard abt all of this. can someone fill in empty spaces for me cause from my understanding trial start some time in april but i dont know all the facts which certain people on here seem to be close to this case an i would like them to fill me in for i do know missy an would like to give support but again i do not see anything abt sister that kkitchen was talking abt an nothing on the childs father abt him being a addict so can people fill this in for me thanks
    I type from my phone and iPad all the time and still manage to type the whole word out and use periods, commas, etc. If you are trying to get a point across, it's best if you take your time and really think about what you are saying. We here don't have the time or patience to try to decipher "text" form. As an aside: Even when I text, I make sure I sound like an educated idiot. Not just a plain old idiot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kopbitchs View Post
    true i agree n for nell yes it is hard cause i am doing it from my phone so i type like i am texting thank u very much but it wasnt hard for u to understand it was it but anyways my tying is not question i want to know wht the sister as to do with this an y all of a sudden they r bringing this up i understand that it is over custody but also i think they should have looked more into it back then when this all happened i would like to know more caus ei just came home an heard abt all of this. can someone fill in empty spaces for me cause from my understanding trial start some time in april but i dont know all the facts which certain people on here seem to be close to this case an i would like them to fill me in for i do know missy an would like to give support but again i do not see anything abt sister that kkitchen was talking abt an nothing on the childs father abt him being a addict so can people fill this in for me thanks
    The point is no one will bother to parse that text type bullshit. It would have taken you less time to type it right the first time then to come back, dislike my post (and I cried, believe me. you got me there.) and type out another halfway illegible post explaining why you type like a 7th grader to her BFF.
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    So can someone please help me understand everything and put everything together? I went and read some more of what is posted online and still can not find where the sister comes into play, or the father being addicted? Also can not find out why they did not look into this closer back then and why it went so many years could someone please feel in the blank spaces for me/ thank you

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    I thought this would be interesting.. It sounds like she is going to have to answer for her previous statements!

    http://www.timesherald.com/article/2...WS01/120409953

    COURTHOUSE — A Montgomery County woman accused of the suffocation death of an infant she babysat in 1992 has lost her bid to prevent a jury from hearing the alleged confession she made during a recorded conversation she had with her ex-husband.

    The April 8, 2011, conversation alleged killer Melissa Haskell had with ex-husband Michael Leflar while she sat in Leflar’s vehicle outside a Bridgeport convenience store was not coerced and is admissible as prosecutorial trial evidence, Montgomery County Judge Garrett D. Page has ruled.

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    It sounds like she is going to be held accountable for her admission...I dont know why everyone is focusing on her Ex..the way I see it...it doesnt really matter who or what he is...the focus is "what happened to this baby?"Judge Garrett Page ruled today that the alleged recorded confession Melissa Haskell made while sitting in a car with her ex-husband last year was not coerced and can be heard by a jury.

    He also ruled that statements she gave to detectives are also admissible in court. Philadelphia.cbslocal.com/
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    This man's motivation for coming forward now does suck in the overall scheme of things. I will give him no points for finally telling, if she is guilty. He should have contacted authorities right after she told him. I'm sure he thought he was in luuuuurrrrrrrv though, and apparently lurv can lower your humanity.

    However, what the original coroner and the independent coroner found alomost 20 years ago was documented before she even met this guy and had offsping with him. It also says that she admitted to giving the baby whiskey to help him sleep. It is not a far cry to imagine that if she gave him enough alcohol that he had a BAC of .04 that she also smothered his little face to shut him up before he could pass out from being drunk.

    Both of these people are total wastes of oxygen. I hope the authorities remove their child from both of their custody post-haste. And I hope the parents of baby Ryan (who should be turning 20 this year and not lying in the ground) finally get answers and closure that is sound, one way or the other. It is, after all, about him. He didn't die of SIDS so someone needs to answer for it and pay.
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    I think the guy should be charged with something too. After all, he knew about this for quite some time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SqueezeBoxx View Post
    I think the guy should be charged with something too. After all, he knew about this for quite some time.
    OMG!!! U ppl dont even know this family so how did u all become judge and jury???? kopbitches, I left u a msg in ur inbox.. And Yes. I use shorthand too as I am very bz!!!! Melissa's ex is a junkie!! Thats why the sister has custody of the son. The sister, Susan, doesnt like Melissa b/c she's her brothers EX!! They will do anything to get full custody just to bust her a$$!!! Melissa loves her son more than anything and if there was a story here I would have heard it from the horses mouth...And I didnt so it didnt happen the way Mike Leflar would have u believe!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KKkitchen View Post
    OMG!!! U ppl dont even know this family so how did u all become judge and jury????
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    I haven't commented on this story because I am just not sure of it yet. As a parent I wouldn't want to believe my child died of SIDS whether my child died of SIDS or not, that is one of a parents worst nightmares. The husband is useless, what I don't understand is this, their son is 6-7, she told him over 10 years ago...way before they had a child together. So he thought it was okay to have a child with her, knowing what he knew? Knowing that she had admitted to killing a child before, it was safe to leave his child with her? Her child obviously lived past the infant stage, was this just a one time killing for her?

    Why isn't the ex-husband being prosecuted for withholding this information? They have his testimony in the custody case, it isn't like he could plead the 5th at a hearing, they would play his testimony from the other action. Also, now she is a monster? She wasn't a monster BEFORE she had his child even though it was AFTER she had killed someone else's child and he knew about it?

    The other thing that makes me wonder is if all of this was seen at autopsy 19 years ago, why wasn't it investigated? Everyone had access to the autopsy including the DA and LE, so why did no one say anything? The Spitz autopsy bugs me because usually whoever pays for the autopsy gets what they pay for. Also, the ME who re-examined the autopsy knew in advance about the "confession" of murder so that is tainted. I don't know, I will have to wait until more comes out until I make up my mind either way. If they have more evidence then I hope the bitch rots for putting the parents of this little one through hell for 19 years, the ex-husband should rot too, he could have put a stop to this madness years ago if he would have said something!
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    Quote Originally Posted by KKkitchen View Post
    OMG!!! U ppl dont even know this family so how did u all become judge and jury???? kopbitches, I left u a msg in ur inbox.. And Yes. I use shorthand too as I am very bz!!!! Melissa's ex is a junkie!! Thats why the sister has custody of the son. The sister, Susan, doesnt like Melissa b/c she's her brothers EX!! They will do anything to get full custody just to bust her a$$!!! Melissa loves her son more than anything and if there was a story here I would have heard it from the horses mouth...And I didnt so it didnt happen the way Mike Leflar would have u believe!!
    And you're completely ignoring the autopsy findings. The baby died in her care. In light of that, who gives a rat's ass how her ex and her ex-in laws hate her guts? It's like LeaveMeBe recently said, and others here before that this is about Ryan, and why he died with ALCOHOL in his system and had bruising on his brain (in case you can't scroll up and read it in the above comments) consistent with suffocation.

    I'm pretty disgusted with the original coroner, who found all these things and just said 'Meh, SIDS I guess,' and moved on. That's just goddamn sloppy. The only evidence SIDS really has is that the coroner has an otherwise (formerly) healthy baby on their table who is dead for unknown reasons--no bruising, no booze, no nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KKkitchen View Post
    OMG!!! U ppl dont even know this family so how did u all become judge and jury???? kopbitches, I left u a msg in ur inbox.. And Yes. I use shorthand too as I am very bz!!!! Melissa's ex is a junkie!! Thats why the sister has custody of the son. The sister, Susan, doesnt like Melissa b/c she's her brothers EX!! They will do anything to get full custody just to bust her a$$!!! Melissa loves her son more than anything and if there was a story here I would have heard it from the horses mouth...And I didnt so it didnt happen the way Mike Leflar would have u believe!!
    I am so "busy" i can't be bothered to spell one of the smallest words in the English language correctly. But I do have time to come to a forum full of people i can't be bothered with to spread gossip, ignoring the fact that a baby died.
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    And Yes. I use shorthand too as I am very bz!!!!
    Whenever I use "shorthand" (if that's what it's called), it takes me longer than just typing it out correctly. It's just plain exhausting. I guess that's because it doesn't come naturally to me. Reading it? . . . I have no words.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbickings1970 View Post
    I am personally close to this case and I can tell you that she did not do this. The Melissa I know is a kind, compassionate person and would do anything to make people happy and she loved that baby. Her ex-husband is an evil man and so is his sister. They have lived the last 5 years of their lives plotting on how to keep her son away from her. Melissa is not an angel by any means but she is a good person and comes from a good family. If he supposedly knew that she did this why would he proceed to marry her and have a child with her? You don't have a child with someone you believe harmed an other child. It all comes down to the fact that they are trying to keep her away from her son. If they were truly concerned they would have come forward 10 years ago. They may say they did it to get justice for baby Ryan but it in the end their motive was selfish. They did not think about the family and what it would do to them to open this case after 19 years and make those parents re-live this nightmare. I agree that not reporting a murder is a crime but I hear he got "immunity" for cooperating wit the DA. And another thing, if they have her on a wire tap confessing to the crime in April why in the world would they wait until August to arrest her. It just doesn't add up.
    Her ex can certainly be "...an evil man..." She can be a "...kind, compassionate person that would do anything to make people happy..." She did not necessarily love that baby since it was her job. A woman MARRIED TED BUNDY full knowing that he killed all those Co-Eds & little girl & HAD A BABY BY HIM. She didn't BELIEVE IT, SHE KNEW IT & IT TURNED HER ON.

    The ex-husb might've not known about the dead baby before marrying her, btw. He could've known after. And yes, they are trying to keep her away from her son... she did it once, she may do it again. It can totally be selfish of him & while it IS scumbaggy of him, it's still good that he's preventing HIS CHILD from becoming another victim of hers.

    And if in APRIL they knew it, they didn't "...wait until Aug. to arrest her..." You think all the paperwork, the bureocracy & shit to do to make an arrest well done so that they can't claim the arresst was illegal & shit happens with the blink of an eye?

    No matter what she IS, she WAS on drugs. People on drugs do ANYTHING to get them when they hit the bottom. She might've not done that if she was sober, BUT SHE WAS ON DRUGS WHEN THE BABY DIED.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KKkitchen View Post
    OMG!!! Melissa's ex is a junkie!!
    Isn't she a junkie too?


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    KKKitchen..you seem to believe you have all the answers. As you put it "If there was a story here you would have heard it from the horses mouth". Of course the horses family is going to say she didnt do it! I strongly believe that this trial that is due to begin on June 4th is going to unveil a lot of answers. This case is not about the petty back and forth of in-laws. This case is about the death of an Innocent baby! If only that baby could speak to us now..what would he say "please dont give me that nasty tasting stuff called alcohol...I am sorry for crying..you are making me scared...ouch that hurt...please please take your hand off my mouth..I CANT BREATH!!! This is what this case is about! I dont care when the ex husband told..I am just happy that he did. We are all assuming he did it for negative reasons..I am going to bet there is more to it.. he is after all the only voice for baby Ryan...

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    The trial is to begin....
    Murder trial begins in death of Montco infant 20 years ago


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    Jury selection began Monday in the trial of Melissa Haskell for murder in death of a 5-month-old child in her care 20 years ago in Montgomery County.

    Ryan Baurley’s death in 1992 was initially attributed to sudden infant death, an unexplained affliction which claims very young children.

    That declaration stood until April 2011, when Haskell, of Bridgeport, allegedly told a confidant that, drug-addled from heroin withdrawal, she fed an infant whiskey in his crib and smothered him because he would not stop crying.

    "I am at peace with [the baby dying] because God has forgiven me," she purportedly said.

    The confidant went to authorities, who reopened the case, reclassifying the death as murder, based on her story and corresponding bruising of the child’s throat and brain reflected in the autopsy report.

    According to court filings in a separate civil case, Michael Leflar, the babysitter’s ex-husband, is the sole witness tying her to the 1992 killing. He allegedly came forward with the allegations the same day he lost a court battle with Haskell over custody of their child. He later told a Family Court judge he told on her to gain traction in that dispute, court records show.

    Haskell has denied killing the infant or telling Leflar about the death.

    "The bottom line is that the District Attorney’s Office is looking for a do-over," Haskell’s attorney, Martin Mullaney, said last week. "The only thing new they have is the self-serving allegations of an ex-husband who just lost a custody battle to his ex-wife."

    "We’re confident that we can prove that the defendant did suffocate this child," Assistant District Attorney Chris Maloney said.

    The trial before Montgomery County Common Pleas Court Judge Garrett D. Page is expected to continue through Friday.

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    Did the babysitter kill the child in her care that August morning in 1992, or did 5-month-old Ryan Baurley slip away due to sudden infant death syndrome, as experts initially ruled?

    That question kept the prosecution and defense in the murder trial of Melissa Haskell, 38, of Bridgeport, occupied Wednesday during the third day of testimony in Montgomery County Court.

    Three expert witnesses — a forensic toxicologist, a forensic pathologist, and a neonatologist — all took the stand for the commonwealth, saying the infant did not die without an "intervenor."

    The child's blood was drawn during an autopsy Aug. 27, 1992. In tests done four days apart in September 1992, the child's blood alcohol level was 0.03 and 0.04 percent, the toxicologist testified.

    Calculations based on the 20-year-old test data showed that "at least some of this alcohol was there prior to his death," he testified.

    But in science things are messy, acknowledged Robert Middleberg, laboratory director of National Medical Services in Willow Grove, which did the testing.

    "I'd like to tell you that when you die, it's a beautiful thing, but it is not like on TV. Toxicology samples can be contaminated," he said.

    In addition, he testified, the blood sample in a special red-topped tube did not contain preservatives. Further, records were not kept on how warm it became as it was moved from autopsy room to lab, and fermentation, which produces alcohol after death, could have set in.

    "Can you exclude postmortem production as the source of the blood alcohol found in Ryan Baurley?" defense counsel Frank Genovese pressed.

    "No," replied Middleberg.

    [...]

    While sudden infant death syndrome, Hofman testified, is a term used when nothing will explain why an apparently healthy infant dies, there were signs pointing to the cause for the child's death.

    Hofman said the baby's liver, kidneys, brain, and voice box were enlarged, and a frothy fluid was coming up out of his lungs. That — and the high blood-alcohol levels — pointed to suffocation, he said, as the cause of death.

    On cross examination, Genovese tried to undercut Hofman's opinion by implying that it was unduly influenced by Haskell's statement about smothering "that baby."

    "You relied at least in part on the statement of Melissa Haskell, didn't you?" Genovese said.

    "That — and the alcohol,"
    Hofman retorted.

    Alan Spitzer, a neonatologist now working in Florida, said sudden infant death syndrome is most likely to happen at night; Ryan died in the morning.

    In cases of sudden infant death syndrome, the baby simply stops breathing and the nervous system doesn't object.

    Ryan's death was much more violent, he testified.

    "It's very different from when the baby is struggling to breathe. It can't get fresh air in and you begin to go through the changes mentioned in the autopsy," Spitzer said.
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    Michael Leflar, the former husband of a woman accused in the death of an infant in her care 20 years ago, admitted on the witness stand Friday that he implicated her "because she was coming for custody of my son."

    "I just had one idea and that was going for help," Leflar told the jury of eight men and four women in a courtroom in Norristown. "My son's life was in danger. I feared for him. I went for help."
    [...]

    Leflar, a laborer for an excavation contractor, underwent a withering half-day of cross-examination from defense counsel Martin Mullaney.

    Mullaney cast doubt on Leflar's ability to recall the date and circumstances of Haskell's admission; his meetings with police; who attended the meetings; and the details of his conviction on a theft of services charge.

    But "you want the jury to to believe that something that happened 13 years ago, you got that right," said Mullaney.

    "Very right," Leflar replied.

    Mullaney forced Leflar to admit that he married Haskell even though he didn't love or trust her.

    "We got married because Missy was pregnant due to a one-night stand," Leflar testified. "Before that night, I hadn't seen her for two to three years. I was drinking and things happened."

    Mullaney hammered away at Leflar's failure to alert police to Haskell's tale of alleged homicide.

    "You didn't report this homicide to anyone," Mullaney said. "Instead, you got engaged to the murderer, you got married to the murderer, you had a baby with the murderer."

    Leflar replied that in 2006, he had told a state trooper. "I guess nobody cared because nothing happened," Leflar testified.

    Detectives tracked down the trooper, Henry Callithan, who corroborated Leflar's story on the witness stand but said the accusation went nowhere because Upper Merion detectives failed to match the information with any specific case.
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    Three other witnesses for the Commonwealth testified Friday that Leflar recalled the confession Haskell made to him some time in the years following the Aug. 26 1992 murder of Baurley.

    Pennsylvania State Trooper Henry Callithen said Leflar told him Haskell somehow suffocated a baby many years ago, yet wanted her to “get her life straightened out so they could be a family again.”

    Paul Leflar, the older brother of Michael Leflar, testified that his brother told him about Haskell’s confession 10 years ago and “he had a hard time telling me.”

    “It hits you hard,” said Leflar, a shaggy-haired caddy for Philadelphia Country Club.

    “I went to a priest because I needed some guidance. He told me to keep it under, because of the problems that would occur. To take the burden off of me, he told me to take it back to the family. We talked about what a horrible thing it was to have inside of you. It was tearing (Leflar) up inside.”

    Joseph Mariani, Michael Leflar’s boss of 12 years and owner of a local excavating company, testified that Leflar told him too, many years ago.

    “He told me (Haskell) was babysitting, the baby was crying a lot and she put her hand over the baby’s mouth. (Leflar) was upset at the time.”
    [...]

    Although Leflar told several people about Haskell’s alleged confession, none went to police with the information until the bitter custody battle began last year.
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    Haskell goes for ‘all or nothing' in murder trial

    With jurors out of hearing, Melissa Haskell, 38, who is charged with third-degree felony murder, told Montgomery County Judge Garrett D. Page that she did not wish to have the charge downgraded to involuntary manslaughter.

    "So you're going with all or nothing," Judge Garrett said. "Yes," Haskell replied.

    If convicted of manslaughter, a first-degree misdemeanor in 1992, Haskell could have been sentenced to five years in prison and to pay a $10,000 fine.

    By insisting on the third-degree felony charge, she exposes herself to the far greater penalty of 10 to 20 years in jail.

    Asked to explain his client's thinking, defense counsel Frank Genovese said: "She has steadily maintained her innocence from the first day we met.

    “She didn't want to create a situation where that would be compromised, and the jury would find her guilty of involuntary manslaughter. She didn't want to create that risk."

    The surprise development came near the end of the seventh day of testimony before the jury of eight men and four women. The defense rested at late afternoon; closing arguments begin early Wednesday.

    In a calm, clear voice, Haskell also told Page from the witness stand that she would not testify in her own defense. Legally, she does not have to, and her decision can't be used against her.

    "I 100 percent agree with it — not to testify," Genovese said in a news briefing in the Norristown courtroom.
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    Haskell found guilty!

    The jury, deliberating some three hours following seven days of testimony, Wednesday ruled that Melissa A. Haskell was guilty of third-degree murder for the Aug. 26, 1992, death of 5-month-old Ryan Baurley of Upper Merion.

    Haskell, 38, of the 700 block of Pershing Road, Upper Merion, is facing a potential sentence of 10 to 20 years in jail.
    [...]

    Other than a quick backward jerk of her body and then bowing her head, Haskell showed little reaction upon hearing the jury’s verdict. She later wiped away tears and, as deputies handcuffed her and took her out of the courtroom, she was heard sniffling.
    [...]

    At the conclusion of testimony on Tuesday, Judge Garrett D. Page had given Haskell the option of having the jury consider a lesser offense of involuntary manslaughter along with third-degree murder. This would have enabled the jury to possibly come up with a compromise verdict if they could not agree on third-degree murder. However, Haskell opted to gamble on an all-or-nothing verdict, with the jurors just considering her guilt or innocence on the third-degree murder charge.

    The judge boosted Haskell’s bail to $1 million cash while she waits for her sentencing hearing.

    Haskell has been held in the county prison since her arrest last August. Initially, she was held on no bail. A judge later set the bail at $500,000 cash, which she has not been able to post.
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    I suppose she is thinking that she should have taken the gamble with the lesser charge at the moment.

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