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    Twin 3 MO Boys Found Dead At Home

    Police Investigate Twin Infant Deaths

    North St. Louis County, MO (KTVI-FOX2Now.com)— Questions surround the deaths of twin boys in North St. Louis county. The St. Louis county police department are still working to determine how the 3-month-old boys died.

    The medical examiner's autopsy and toxicology report should detail exactly how 3-month-old twins Moses and Noah Abdus-Sabir died. That report should be released this weekend.

    A 911 call came from their mother at 12:39pm on Friday. She said two of her six children were not breathing:

    When officers and paramedics arrived they discovered the two 3-month old twins. Both boys were deceased in the apartment." said Chief Tim Fitch of the St. Louis County Police

    Sad, but also a mystery. Two babies dying at almost exactly the same time? The medical examiner will be conducting an examination of the two children. At this point it's still an ongoing investigation with no suspect.

    "Two 3-month-old children aren't going to have a natural death at the same time like this. So clearly we understand that it could be an accident and we certainly have to look at the possibility of any kind of criminal activity as well. There does not appear to be any signs, any external signs of injury to either of the children." said Chief Tim Fitch.

    So far it's social and family service workers, not police, who are dealing with the mother and her four remaining children.
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    It really does sound suspicious but there have been stories of twins who did other things at the same time, or one got hurt and the other felt the same pain. I wonder if it really is possible for babies that are so identical to actually die at the same time. Wouldn't that be just off the wall weird?

    How sad. I really hope they can find out what happened to these little ones.
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    I honestly hope they died of SIDs or had some kind of illness that no one noticed because they had no symptoms and died peacefully. I just hate all these abused to death stories, natural causes or illness sound far better. (even though two babies didn't get a chance to live full lives either way)
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    I'm thinking of the possibility of two new babies on top of four others being a breaking point for someone.
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    I wonder if it's from malnutrition, due to some fanatical religious belief. I'm thinking of the boy who died because his parents only fed him rice milk or something along those lines. We'll have to wait and see on this one. Twins dying at the same time does not seem natural to me.
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    We had a case here in Oz a while back when 2 children (not the same age) died and it was carbon monoxide poisoning from the heater. It couldn't be smelt but was deadly, the mum only survived because she was bigger.
    Kind of hoping these little angels passed due to a tragic accident like the heater.

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    It definitely needs to be investigated, but I guess there's a slim chance they were both exposed to the same infection/accidental poison. Like in Aussiemom's example as newborn's they would be much more vulnerable than the older members of the family.

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    According to their names, they are Muslim, so no fanatical diets here. BUT, there is definitely an unnatural cause to their deaths. First thing I would check (after the obvious) is for carbon monoxide poisoning. Babies are very susceptible to carbon monoxide and will show the symptoms first.

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    I'm thinking of the possibility of two new babies on top of four others being a breaking point for someone.
    This might be close to the truth, but would I be bad for hoping that it was some sort of illness or carbon monoxide? I have carbon monoxide detectors with the new smoke detector system I had installed. It costs a pretty penny but the system works, and after losing everything I owned almost 7 years ago in a house fire, I'd do anything to keep that from happening again.

    These poor babies. I hope it wasn't neglect or abuse. I am so sick of these stories.
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    This could in fact be SIDS. I had twin boys almost 16 years ago.One died of SIDS at six weeks. The Doctors had me bring in my living baby for an exam and then had him ware an infant apnea monitor for six months. Not only is SIDS more common in boys, it has been known to happen to twins within minutes to hours of each other.

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    They did NOT die of MALNUTRITION

    Quote Originally Posted by ineedanap View Post
    I wonder if it's from malnutrition, due to some fanatical religious belief. I'm thinking of the boy who died because his parents only fed him rice milk or something along those lines. We'll have to wait and see on this one. Twins dying at the same time does not seem natural to me.

    The Mother has 4 other healthy children.... they have asthma, but other than that, they are healthy. She FEEDS her children. And 3 month old twins would be nursing... not eating whole foods yet. There is no "fanatical religious belief" involved. Of this, I can assure you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer9478 View Post
    The Mother has 4 other healthy children.... they have asthma, but other than that, they are healthy. She FEEDS her children. And 3 month old twins would be nursing... not eating whole foods yet. There is no "fanatical religious belief" involved. Of this, I can assure you.
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    Myself, I'm betting it was some kind of air poisoning, like radon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amazon View Post
    Myself, I'm betting it was some kind of air poisoning, like radon.
    Radon doesn't kill you directly. It gives you lung cancer. I'd bet carbon monoxide first.
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    I'm VERY suspicious BUT, each year, about 7,000 or so babies die of SIDS, in the states alone. More children die of SIDS than Aids, cancer, heart disease, and child abuse, combined. It is by far the deadliest and the most mysterious syndrome known to effect children. Even more so mysterious when it comes to twins.
    I've read that twins find it hard to survive without the other, dying with in months or days from each other. Have not heard of twins dying with in minutes, hours but we just don't know everything there is to know about twins.
    It would be remarkable indeed to read they died within moments of one another, and ruled SIDS.
    Sadly I don't think this was a natural death. Just a feeling, nothing more.

    Rest in peace babies, Moses and Noah Abdus-Sabir...in the heavens always.
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    A horrific accident killed the boys.

    Yolonda Harrington-Sabir felt panic when she awoke and didn't see her twin baby boys in their matching wooden cribs in her bedroom.

    She ran through her apartment screaming on the morning of Aug. 12, thinking someone had taken them. She didn't see them in their car seats. Not in the bedrooms of her four older children.

    She was relieved when her 8-year-old daughter called from her bedroom that the boys were in bed with her.

    But that relief turned to horror when Harrington-Sabir yanked the comforter off the girl and found both 3-month-old boys lifeless underneath.

    "My daughter said she didn't want them to be cold,"
    Harrington-Sabir explained in an interview Friday. "She wanted them to be with her. She must have gotten them out of their cribs between 5 and 7 in the morning."

    The twins' deaths were accidental, the St. Louis County medical examiner's office said late this week. Officials had waited to sign off on that conclusion until toxicology test results arrived, showing nothing suspicious.

    Both boys — Noah and Moses Abdus-Sabir — died of suffocation from the bedding, said Suzanne McCune, forensic administrator for the medical examiner's office.

    Police said from the start that they did not suspect foul play and saw no sign of trauma.

    On Friday, Sgt. James McWilliams, a spokesman for St. Louis County police, said his department's investigators have not completed their work and had no comment.
    [...]

    Harrington-Sabir sat on a porch at her mother's home in Bel-Nor on Friday and talked about the twins and how she is trying to help her other children cope.

    "I can't even cry in front of them," the 29-year-old mother said.

    The twins, born on Mother's Day, had joined Harrington-Sabir's family of the daughter and three sons, 2, 4 and 5.

    "Everybody kept joking that now I had a basketball team and cheerleader," she said. She named the twins Noah and Moses for "No-Mo," as in "no more" kids.

    Harrington-Sabir said she tries to reassure her daughter, who is in counseling, that she loves her and doesn't blame her.


    "My daughter's very reluctant to pick up small children now," she said. "Her spirit's been broken. I can't tell her anything except, 'It's not your fault.' She just wanted to help."

    Harrington-Sabir was going through a divorce when she found out she was pregnant. Her ex-husband moved out of state.

    "Some might be worried about the older kids being jealous, but what you need to worry about is, will they love them too much?" Harrington-Sabir said. "I feel my twins were loved to death."

    In the past, her daughter had taken the babies into her room when the twins were safely in their car seats. But she never before put them in bed with her, the mother said.
    [...]

    Based on what a medical examiner's investigator told her, Harrington-Sabir thinks they died sometime after 5 a.m. She believes her daughter had sneaked into her bedroom and taken them.

    "She tried to put them on her and wrap them up with her," Harrington-Sabir said. "From what I was told, it was the positioning they were in (under the covers), and they kept breathing in the same air."

    Neighbors said Harrington-Sabir was a conscientious mother. Friends often commented about how quiet and well-behaved her children are.
    [...]

    Detectives had the 8-year-old girl show them what happened, Harrington-Sabir said.

    "I'm going to jail, Mama," she said the girl cried that day. "I didn't mean to wrap them."

    No one was arrested, and none of the oldest children was ever removed from the home by police or children's service workers.

    "My kids are now afraid of police because they kept putting me in and out of the police car" to talk, she said.
    [...]

    She said she still wakes up at night looking for them.

    Harrington-Sabir, a Muslim, prepared her babies' bodies for burial and wrapped them in strips of white cotton. She said they were buried in individual white coffins at Lake Charles Park Cemetery. In her faith, she said, Allah wants her to show patience in knowing that one day she will see her children again.

    "I'm not there yet," she said. "I want them here. I want to see their smiles and smell their curly hair."
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    Aww, that's horrible. The girl was just trying to be a good big sister. I hope they can get through this together.
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    Soooo very sad. I am so sorry for this family. The mom sounds wonderful and so completely selfless (trying hard to help her daughter deal with feelings of guilt). I am glad that the babies knew nothing but love in their short time here.

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    God, I'm so glad I was wrong on this.
    With what we read here, so many children killed by their own parent it's a reminder that sometimes tragedy just happens.

    That poor, sweet child, she will always have a deep ache in her heart. I'm glad her mother is wise and loving to console her instead of blaming her. It must be so very difficult to have to hold back tears during a time of mourning.

    "I'm not there yet," she said. "I want them here. I want to see their smiles and smell their curly hair."
    My heart goes out to the mother, the sister----the entire family. What a terrible loss. Such tragedy to fall on such a young heart. She will need lots of love and understanding. May their days one day shine bright again.
    Rest in peace babies, Noah and Moses Abdus-Sabir. You are loved and dearly missed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silvahalo68 View Post
    With what we read here, so many children killed by their own parent it's a reminder that sometimes tragedy just happens.
    Most infant deaths are tragedies and not the horrors we read here. When we color our vision with the like of this site, it's important to remember that the shit here is far from the norm.
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    "I feel my twins were loved to death."
    What a gracious way of looking at this tragedy. This mom is somehow still able to put her love for her children in front of her own raw grief. She seems very strong & very selfless. I feel so badly for the little girl, what a burden to have to live with. Luckily, she has a mom who is on her side & loves her unconditionally. RIP Noah & Moses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dakota Valkyrie View Post
    Most infant deaths are tragedies and not the horrors we read here. When we color our vision with the like of this site, it's important to remember that the shit here is far from the norm.
    Of course what we read is far from the norm. I know i have said that at least several times in the past.
    And that is what I'm saying, that this is a good reminder that that some times tragedies just happen as apposed to someone taking it on themselves and making it happen.
    ALL children's deaths are tragedies regardless on how they died.
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    A helpful big sister. Poor babies... all three. The whole family.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silvahalo68 View Post
    Of course what we read is far from the norm. I know i have said that at least several times in the past.
    And that is what I'm saying, that this is a good reminder that that some times tragedies just happen as apposed to someone taking it on themselves and making it happen.
    ALL children's deaths are tragedies regardless on how they died.
    And I mainly said what I did to reinforce that and for the benefit of other readers.
    Some folks seem to act like what we read here is the norm ... for everyone but themselves.
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    OMG I actually wish it was carbon monoxide poisoning that I had first hoped for.

    The poor daughter has to live with this forever.

    The mom sounds amazing. Offering such strength and compassion to her eldest daughter and yet grieving for her little twins.

    Bless them all.

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