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    Man Dies From 19 Black Widow Bites



    A Colorado resident was bitten by a poisonous black widow spider 19 times -- and investigators are trying to figure out if the bites caused the man's death.

    Black widow spider bites are poisonous, but rarely fatal, health experts told Fox31 in Denver.

    Jeff Seale, 40, reportedly noticed the bites on his foot two weeks before he died. The Boulder County Coroner's Office says it could be 4-6 weeks before an official cause of death is released -- but Seale's sister is nevertheless convinced that the bites are responsible.

    "I think it's definitely related. He was in really good health up until that point," she told a reporter for Fox31. "He worked at a horse stable in the evenings, and he very well could have brought one of the spiders home in his things, or picked up some stuff from one of the horse sheds and brought one of the things home," she said.

    Seale, a former high-school baseball star, became obsessed with the spiders, Fox31 reported, going so far as to spray his house to prevent a spider infestation.

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    I hate spiders, but I just had to read this. I now feel like shit is crawling all over me! YUCK

    Poor guy, but if noticed the bites on his foot, why not get them checked out?
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    Jeff Seale was almost certainly not killed by a black widow spider, experts at Colorado State University and the Denver Museum of Nature and Science said Friday.

    "I'd say zero chance, not likely at all," said Dr. Paula Cushing, the museum's curator of invertebrate zoology and a past president of the American Arachnological Society. "I think it's tragic that he did die so young, but it's extremely unlikely that this is the cause."

    The 40-year-old Seale died July 17 in his Erie home. His sister, Stephanie Baum of Longmont, said he reported finding 19 bites on his left foot around July 2 and believed they were from a black widow. He saw a doctor two or three days later, she said, but did not seek out medical treatment again before his death.
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    The Boulder County Coroner's Office has not released an official cause of death and is not expected to for at least four weeks.

    Human deaths due to black widow poisoning are rare, usually occurring in the very young, the elderly or those with compromised immune systems. Seale was a former star pitcher for Fairview High School and still in good shape, his sister said, aside from high blood pressure.

    Both Cushing and entomologist Whitney Cranshaw of Colorado State University said several details make a black widow unlikely to be the cause of death. Both first noted the number of bites -- a black widow typically bites once if it feels threatened and then tries to get away. It doesn't hang around for a second bite -- never mind a 19th -- unless it has nowhere to go, such as a spider trapped in a shoe.

    "But if you had it in your shoe, you'd know it," Cushing said.

    That's because a bite isn't subtle. It's painful, Cranshaw said. The venom is a neurotoxin, a poison that interferes with the nervous system, whose symptoms set in within about 30 minutes.

    "It feels like someone's kicking you in the stomach over and over again," Cushing said.

    If it wasn't one spider 19 times, could it have been multiple ones? Again, unlikely, the experts said. True, it's not uncommon to see several black widows in a barn or crawl space, Cushing said, but to invite a bite, you generally have to be pressing against the spider or threatening its web or egg sac. And though spiders are predators, they're not pack hunters.

    "They don't gang up on people," Cranshaw said.

    The two experts also found the timing odd. According to the National Library of Medicine, severe symptoms from a black widow bite start to improve within two to three days, though milder symptoms can hang on for a month. According to his sister, Seale initially matched that pattern: a couple of days of pain early on, followed by improvement with some flu-like symptoms afterward. But the pain he felt on the day he died two weeks later didn't fit.

    "Sunday morning, he said his whole body was in excruciating pain," Baum said. "He couldn't get up to do anything."

    Both Cushing and Cranshaw agreed that a two-week-old black widow bite shouldn't be lethal.

    "The fact that it was two weeks later that these symptoms started appearing, that alone says (the cause of death) was not a black widow," Cushing said.
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    This doesn't make a lot of sense. One black widow isn't going to bite you 19 times. One bite alone is painful and I would not imagine
    a person sitting still or sleeping through one of these bites.

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    I've always been told Black Widow bites were fatal....everything i know is a lie!



    But if the bites didn't kill him, what did?
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    Wanna bet he also believed black widow bites would kill him so therefore took a "home remedy" of some sort?
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    Hmmm...

    The antivenin available for treatment of black widow spider bites is derived from horse serum. The venom produced by various species of black widow spiders is similar, so the antivenin prepared against one venom is effective against the others. Antivenin is produced by gradually increasing injections of the specific venom in a horse. The horse then starts producing the antivenin, which will be used in humans.

    Symptoms are often not easily relieved, even with narcotics. Some experts recommend that antivenin be used in any severe bite because one vial of the antitoxin produces significant and rapid relief of symptoms. It can even be used if there is delay in reaching the hospital. Yet other sources recommend that antivenin be used only in children, the elderly, and those with severe underlying medical conditions.
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    Well if I had been bitten by a spider (or spiderS) I'd definitely be making tracks for a hospital ASAP. I'm thinking it might have been some other kind of spider. Isn't there some kinda spider that is found around fruit, like bananas, that is really dangerous?

    I googled "banana spider" and here's the best thing I got:

    http://www.badspiderbites.com/banana-spider/

    Those suckers sound pretty nasty. I'd say whatever bite the guy, he must've pissed it off BAD.

    **ETA: Some of the comments after that article are ummm downright weird lol.
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    Well, I'm no expert but from what I understand you can die from a black widow spider bite tho it's not very likely. Children especially babies are far more susceptible and if a person turns out to be allergic to the venom you can die. Certainly not unheard of.
    When I was a kid a toddler about 2yo died that lived two houses down from us. That's what everyone was told, picture of baby's hand I remember seeing. I lived out in the desert and those things were found in sheds places like that but made their way into homes too. At school they had some expert come talk to us kids about always kicking rocks over before picking them up, as something could be hiding under it.

    19 bites is crazy for one spider and completely agree it wasn't that. I do wonder what bit him and if it was at all related to his death. Black widows, wolf spiders, centipedes, rattlesnakes, scorpions were all major problems out there.
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    This Redback Spider is very interesting because he looks kind of like a black widow, they are native to Australia but maybe one got here on the back of a fish... or something...



    The Redback spiders live everywhere throughout the Australian continent. Female Redback spiders are black in color with a very apparent red or orange stripe that is visible on the back of the spider. The female Redback spider is dangerous and almost always connected to human deaths. Redback spider bites cause severe pain at the site of the bite and cause other symptoms to include: sweating, muscular weakness, vomiting, and nausea. Redback spider venom is a neurotoxin that affects the neurotransmitters causing there depletion. The Redback spider has caused several reported deaths of bitten human beings but none have died since the release of an antivenom. Over 250 bites receive antivenom treatment each year with many more cases most likely go unreported. Read more: http://scienceray.com/biology/five-d...#ixzz1TR1aToeT


    Then there is the brown recluse but his poison just eats up your tissues - see link for the worlds 5 deadliest spiders, interesting info there: http://scienceray.com/biology/five-d...-of-the-world/I wonder what did kill this guy, wasnt necessarily a spider although he did have some dots on his feet like something bit him, if anyone finds out more info, please let me know too, Im really curious...
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    He could also have died from an allergy to spider sperm... in that case someone could be up on charges of insectiality and murder...

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    Quote Originally Posted by VXIII View Post
    Looks like fire ants. Or mosquito bites. But then, what do I know?
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    The first time I saw the headline "man dies from 19 black widow spider bites" I called BULLSHIT on it!The man was "terrified" of blackwidow spiders so of course if he sees unexplained bumps or other small lesions on his body he is going to attribute them to blackwidow spider bites. I talk to people everyday that claim they were bitten all over by spiders and it is always bullshit. Insects do not act out of spite or anger. They are only going to bite because it serves a specific purpose, usually to procure a meal. The spider would gain nothing from repeatedly biting someone The spider were able to move all over this mans foot to bite him then common sense would indicate the spider could have simply walked away from the man. I would love to see the autopsy results here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gidget View Post
    Looks like fire ants. Or mosquito bites. But then, what do I know?
    It does look like fire ants, I was thinking bed bugs.
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    As someone who wears jeans and flip flops a lot, a couple of times I've had mosquitos do that to my feet. God damn it's annoying. Wonder if he contracted some disease that is carried by mosquitos?
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    It can be so dangerous i know because i suffered black widow bite on my vocation..
    i was in texas at my uncles home and spider bites me.
    In first time i didn't know that was spider bite. After few hours pain was horrible and i decided to go to explore on internet some about spider bites.
    Informations and pictures was telling to me that was really spider bite. I called 911 and went to hospital a my vocation, can you imagine??!.
    Doktor sad to me that black widow is so dangerous spider that can produce anputation, i was shocked!
    That's my story people. I'm hoping i will help someone if read this and learn more about spider bites..
    Sorry about mine bad english, i'm from bulgaria.

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