To be honest, I would rather be groped and have others be groped as well, than have a bomb go off on the plane. With that said, I would not allow a full cavity search, unless it was done by a hot looking blonde chick and she was naked while doing it.
Think of it as a T&A search versus the TSA search.
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Not all Americans have the courage to stand up for their rights, the weak are what dictators call their people, their childrenOriginally Posted by Q Jordon
The day the secret police find this mystical bomb, they use to take the rights of the people, you be sure to let us all know, I assume freedom of speech will be long gone, before the secret police ever find anything beyond the dreaded nail clipper
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Stand up for your rights and the Governments secret police TSA, will back down
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2011/07/1...-groping-case/
No Felony Charges For Longmont Woman In TSA Groping Case
Ms. Miyamae says she told TSA agents she wanted to be screened by the metal detector gate. She did so out of concern for excessive radiation exposure from the full-body scanners, as she is a frequent business traveler.
Her request was denied. She was soon surrounded by TSA agents. One TSA agent, a tall woman, approached Ms. Miyamae, who is only five feet tall.
Ms. Miyamae felt panicked and experienced a volatile aversion to the TSA personnel violating her personal physical space. She felt endangered and threatened based upon prior traumatizing security pat-downs, repugnance at the prospect of being touched again in such a violent and undignified manner, and instinctively pushed the female TSA agent away.
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I read earlier that the felony was out the window, but I believe she still faces possible misdemeanor charge(s). The pages that went up to support her, IMHO, helped this one out!
Where is that sheeple bomb?
Mercy to the cruel is cruelty to the innocent.
Justice and the law are 2 seperate issues!
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What did the TSA back down on? They have NO say in whether that woman got charged or not or what she got charged with. That's up to the DA (and now city prosecutors). What she did wouldn't rise to a felony in most any cases - anywhere.
Maricopa County district attorney decided to turn the case of Yukari Miyamae, 61, of Longmont over to city prosecutors. She could still be charged with a misdemeanor.
The woman in the story had a panic attack... she wasn't standing up for anyone's rights. I hope she gets help so that it doesn't happen at other inopportune moments (I don't want to be stuck in a broken elevator with her!). And since it doesn't sound like "willful" conduct on her part, I don't think she should face charges. But then again, maybe the all-powerful-naughty TSA will want to make an example of her and force them into misdemeanor charges....
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Yeah panic attack
TSA secret police only mean to protect me, Yes Virginia there is a Santa Claus, there are WMDs in Iraq and we fight for the freedom of the people of Iraq, not to protect the Saudis or their crude supply
My Government would not lie to me!!
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Back at you, grumpy conspiracy nut. Watch out for the boggie man under your bed. Duck! The sky is falling :)Yeah panic attack
TSA secret police only mean to protect me, Yes Virginia there is a Santa Claus, there are WMDs in Iraq and we fight for the freedom of the people of Iraq, not to protect the saudis or their crud supply
My Government would not lie to me!!
(I guess when all else fails, we're supposed to resort to name calling and silliness)
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*The following rant is not directed at anyone specific*
We have a thread about a woman in jail for growing a garden, kids being cited for a lemonade stand, and a father not being allowed to hang missing person flyers.
It just blows my mind that people can be upset at these things and not at the TSA. When you allow this to happen, well.... this is what you get.
You may think these things are not related but they are. There is an all out assault against our rights and against common sense from the Federal down to the local level. From the smoking ban to the airport groping to the garden police, the government knows what is best for you.
If you want to say don't fly, then I say to the garden lady that she should go to the supermarket like everyone else; to the lemonade kids, go make money legally - god damn troublemakers; to the worried father, he should keep it to himself.
They aren't taking away anything as long as we have other options right?
America, love it or leave it!
We are all a bunch of pussies.
Sheevaa: I can understand...I got peed on for the first time and got all excited about it:P
DamagedGoods: mm... my meat smells damned tasty, it's a shame I've got another few hours to wait for it.
newstarshipsmell :Sorry, DG, but the Laerma nuts only grow on trees on the world of Dezoris in the Algol star system so unless you have a spaceship...
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Actually the conspiracy nuts are TSA and their mothership DHS, that's how they conspire to take your rights away
Everyone and everything is a threat, everyone must be under surveillance and under the thumb of Big brother or in this case Big Fat SIS at all times
Big Fat SIS wants all Americans under surveillance at all times, says threat is now from within
Orwell almost had it, but it's "Big Fat Sis" not Big Brother
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/terror...ry?id=14118119
New Terror Report Warns of Insider Threat to Utilities
DHS issued an intelligence note to its federal, state, local, tribal and private sector partners on July 19 regarding potential threats to private sector utilities. While DHS has no specific, credible intelligence of an imminent threat posed to the private sector utilities,
A new intelligence report from the Department of Homeland Security issued Tuesday, titled Insider Threat to Utilities, warns "violent extremists have, in fact, obtained insider positions," and that "outsiders have attempted to solicit utility-sector employees" for damaging physical and cyber attacks.
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/reg...icleid=1353264
“What kind of a society are we creating here?” asked civil rights lawyer Harvey Silverglate, who along with the ACLU fears police abuse. “There comes a point where the surveillance is so pervasive and total that it’s a misnomer to call a society free any longer.”
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/reg...icleid=1353264
Civil libertarians are raising the alarm over the state’s plans to create a Big Brother database that could map drivers’ whereabouts with police cruiser-mounted scanners that capture thousands of license plates per hour — storing that information indefinitely where local cops, staties, feds and prosecutors could access it as they choose.
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More boogie man, sky is falling conspiracy from DHS, they'll say anything to steal your rights, according to DHS you'd better look under your bed a terrorist is most likely hiding under there and it could be you
http://www.infowars.com/dhs-video-ch...ly-terrorists/
DHS Video Characterizes White Americans as Most Likely Terrorists
Big Sis fear campaign continues, but Americans are just as likely to be killed by peanut allergies than they are in terrorist attacks
Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
Thursday, July 21, 2011
A new promotional video released by the Department of Homeland Security characterizes white middle class Americans as the most likely terrorists, as Big Sis continues its relentless drive to cement the myth that mad bombers are hiding around every corner, when in reality Americans are just as likely to be killed by lightning strikes or peanut allergies.
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Didn't they come up with some horseshit about "terrorists" attempting to hit nuclear plants just recently?
Mercy to the cruel is cruelty to the innocent.
Justice and the law are 2 seperate issues!
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A few things from the blogosphere. There's lots more out there but I found these interesting and possibly discussion worthy.
"TSA readying new behavior detection plan for airport checkpoints" Under The Radar: Josh Gerstein on the Courts, Transparency & More, July 28, 2011
http://www.politico.com/blogs/joshge...eckpoints.htmlThe federal government is planning to introduce new behavior detection techniques at airport checkpoints as soon as next month, Transportation Security Administration chief John Pistole said Thursday.
TSA already has "behavior detection officers" at 161 airports nationwide looking for travelers exhibiting physiological or psychological signs that a traveler might be a terrorist. However, Pistole said TSA is preparing to move to an approach that employs more conversation with travelers—a method that has been employed with great success in Israel.
"I'm very much interested in expanding the behavior detection program, upgrading it if you will, in a way that allows us to….have more interaction with a passsenger just from a discussion which may be able to expedite the physical screening aspects," Pistole said during an appearance at the Aspen Security Forum in Colorado. "So, we’ve looked at what works around the world, some outstanding examples and we are planning to do some new things in the near future here."
[...]
During an on-stage interview with CNN's Jeanne Meserve, Pistole acknowledged that the Israeli techniques have been carefully examined.
"There's a lot—under that Israeli model—a lot that is done that is obviously very effective," he said. However, critics have said the Israeli program is too time consuming to use consistently at U.S. airports and may involve a degree of religious and racial profiling that would draw controversy in the U.S.
Pistole also said TSA is planning to test out some new methods for screening children in the wake of highly-publicized videos of children screaming as they were patted down at airport checkpoints. The TSA chief said adults have used children as suicide bombers before in other contexts and could do so through an airport, but there may still be better ways to screen kids.
"I think we can do a different way of screening children that recognizes that the very high likelihood they do not have a bomb on them," Pistole said. "I think under our new protocols we would see very few patdowns of children." Instead, parents would be more involved in the process of helping TSA personnel figure out why a child is setting off alarms.
Pistole said adjusting screening for the elderly is more complicated because a large number of people on terrorist watch and enhanced screening lists are older. However, another pilot program is underway underway to identify people who have traveled very frequently for years and who could get an expedited screening.
"TSA Critics, Here's Hope" Kip Hawley, Former TSA Administrator, 7/20/11http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kip-ha..._b_905139.htmlYesterday, John Pistole finally got to do something on his agenda. TSA announced a test of a new pilot program to test more sophisticated screening of passengers based on voluntarily provided information already inside DHS, but heretofore not accessible at airport checkpoints. This is a big deal for several reasons.
First, Pistole's idea to integrate risk screening already done by sister DHS agency Customs & Border Protection is right on. CBP has information that they use for determining low-risk passengers on international arrivals, in some cases, including personal interviews. Working that information into the TSA screening process makes sense. Maybe security clearances are next as TSA continues to include more intelligence and risk-based information in its checkpoint process.
Second, it appears that this is a privacy-friendly solution. Rather than a tempting fishing expedition into the murky waters of commercial data with known and hidden privacy perils as well as dubious validity, Pistole appears to be sticking to the solid ground of already privacy-validated programs. The proof is in the details, but the proposal announced yesterday is a promising start.
Third, and perhaps most important, TSA is breaking through the 'rummage for potentially dangerous objects' straightjacket that is the core of the agency's trouble with the public. TSA is like any organization; there are internal splits over policy. Some -- including, I believe, John Pistole and many of the front-line officers -- want more thinking and less rote implementation of a checklist.
So TSA critics, seize this moment and give Pistole a hand. These are tentative steps along the road to smart security and they should be encouraged. Anybody can bludgeon the many shortcomings and foibles at TSA, and there will be plenty more opportunities in the future. But now is the time to give some positive reinforcement to a sensible attempt at innovation.
And for the touch-phobic folks, this is interesting slide show from Forbes: How To Protect Your Dignity From The TSA
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honestly, that scares the hell out of me. i don't act right. not that i don't mean too, but i am that person that always looks around looking like they are guilty of something. its not anything i can help, its just me.TSA already has "behavior detection officers" at 161 airports nationwide looking for travelers exhibiting physiological or psychological signs that a traveler might be a terrorist. However, Pistole said TSA is preparing to move to an approach that employs more conversation with travelers—a method that has been employed with great success in Israel.
fuck me, fuck you, fuck my life, and fuck the world.
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I think that's pretty common with most folks in that type of situation. I get anxious/nervous waiting for the card machine at checkouts to say "Approved" even when I know I have more than enough to cover the bill.
I've seen a bit on the Israeli method. It's interesting but does do a lot of profiling. While that seems like a no-brainer when it comes to terrorists, it sure won't fly with a lot of people.
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Saw that, but can they look at and talk to arabic looking males and woman wearing a hijab or will it be like the rest of TSA just for
show, to monitor american citizens and their children
Bottom line there would be nothing wrong with security checks and searches if they weren't Politically correct and just doing a dog
and pony show
I was once many, many years ago searched three times and asked to strip in one airport, seemed like I couldn't take a step without someone pointing an automatic weapon at me, I've never had a problem with it, I fit a certain profile and was returning from a
country with lets say an unsavory reputation. It was totally understandable that I would be singled out and searched
TSA on the other hand is not looking for terrorist, they are getting american citizens synthesized to being monitored and directed
If they were trying to get us all "synthesized", why would they be working towards getting more "brains" into the process? And if the American people scream and holler about "profiling" and "racial bias", who can we blame when the TSA tries to do the obvious but can't?
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So you feel people don't have a problem losing their constitutional rights, but would have a problem with TSA profiling terrorist and
actually making flights safer, WOW! talk about already being "synthesized" to Big Brother
If you are that scared of terrorists on planes, take the bus! Noone is forcing you to fly!
Mercy to the cruel is cruelty to the innocent.
Justice and the law are 2 seperate issues!
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Don't put words in my mouth. I asked you a question. I said nothing about my own beliefs. Can you not have an intelligent discussion without personal attacks?
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Don't mean to attack anyone, just don't believe TSA is what it's represented to be, and feel they've proven to be
at best totally ineffective, as far as flying safely I see no deference from before TSA existed, same percentage of accidents, actually
slightly more issues because maintenance has suffered, which is an airline revenue issue and not terrorist related
If you want to know whats really appalling about all this, is that airplane maintenance is now done in foreign countries and they
could easily sabotage a plane without going through TSA, that's one of the many reasons I feel TSA is nothing more than the beginning of big brother
And lets not forget the lost jobs, wages and taxes from having maintenance done overseas
Although the way TSA's grown they've probably made up for it
What terrorist? You ever hear of TSA finding one, or finding anything more dangerous than shit in a diaper? And all that toothpaste,
mouthwash and shampoo people try to sneak on planes
I'm surprised they're not monitoring icebergs you know they sunk a ship once, dangerous icebergs could be why TSA is now taking over all port security, I can't think of any other reason they are having all port employees go through a security screening and issuing badges, and inputting them into their data base, couldn't possibly have anything to do with BIG Brother
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Just reversing the argument that was being tossed about earlier. Noone forcing US to take a plane? Well, noone is forcing them either!
Mercy to the cruel is cruelty to the innocent.
Justice and the law are 2 seperate issues!
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I don't think the TSA has anything to do with accidents and maintenance issues. Wouldn't that have to do with yet another government body - the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA)? Apples/Oranges on that one.
I do know that some of the current actions are a bit silly but I think they are in reaction to a demand from the people (for more security) and they are being fine tuned... again in reaction to demand from the people (for less invasion). The TSA seems to me to address problems as they arise - kind of a back ass way to do it when most (if not all) of them are obvious and could have been foreseen/avoided.
We had security in place prior to 9/11. It was less than current and handled by each airport... possibly by private companies? (I dunno). Security was different at each airport. Flying out of Fargo was a whole different experience than out of other cities - where they did have metal scanners and other things. After 9/11, the federal government took it over... in part to make the rules the same everywhere (but they still aren't). While Fargo isn't a terrorist hotbed, I guess it would be a good place to fly out of if they had podunk security. So we get to pretend we are Big Time at the airport, at least.
I flew a lot last year. I was searched a few times. It was never a grope fest and done with respect. Not to say there are not bad apples, but it has never been the hassle some holler about. There are also people that have "issues" that make mountains out of molehills. The truth is somewhere in the middle.
Like the recent court ruling on body scanners, I do believe that security comes with a price. Yes some privacy is given up, but I want to opt for security. Do I want silly searches? No. But I do think it's at least headed in the right direction.
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I do understand that you are willing to give up your rights in order to "feel" safe. You will never e safe! There will always be someone who makes that attempt.
I may be wrong in my view here, but, EVERY time someone challenges something with this bunch, they come up with a new game. Tazers on the plane? GTFO! 13 switchblades and gravity knives attempting to board? BULLSHIT!
A Muslim, that they were warned about by the mans father, slips through with nothing but bogus explosives in his underoos? DAMMIT! We had no clue!
Mercy to the cruel is cruelty to the innocent.
Justice and the law are 2 seperate issues!
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How has airline safety improved since TSA? What have any of those searches found
TSA has missed 80% of the test firearms and explosives brought on planes, bottom line TSA has not made flying safer
Again as happened many times in TSA post you lump everything into TSA, go ahead twist and turn all you want
Never said TSA was responsible for airplane maintenance I actually said maintenance is done in foreign countries by-passing TSA, I thought I cleared up earlier that TSA is not international
What I actually said was
"If you want to know whats really appalling about all this, is that airplane maintenance is now done in foreign countries and they
could easily sabotage a plane without going through TSA"
TSA is not international.
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@biteme
TSA is not taking over port security. Port security is handled by the USCG. At plants & entrances to ports most of the time it is a private contractor. Very few companies have there own security. I have yet to see a TSA uniformed officer at any of the ports I have been to. As far as the screening & issuing badges they don't do that either, once again that is left to an independent contractor. As far as a data base, well I have been in the USCG data base for the better part of 20+ years.
It would be easy to get someone to sabotage port operations, that is the reason of the TWIC. I can give you examples but I will not. I don't want to give you any ideas.
BTW, they have been issuing badges for at least 3 years now. Still waiting on the readers, that will be another decade probably.
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I was responding to this:
Since the discussion is TSA, I assumed that you brought it up that you felt there was a relationship to it. Terrorist vs. Accidents. Why bother with maintenance & accidents in the context of the discussion if it's not TSA? It reads that way to me. I only have your words to go on since my mind reading abilities do not extend past my imaginary cat.
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Ports, Ports, Ports
http://mpa.maryland.gov/content/port...egulations.php
TRANSPORTATION WORKER IDENTIFICATION CREDENTIAL (TWIC)
Maritime workers including terminal employees, longshoremen, truck drivers, agents and contractors must have a TWIC to gain unescorted access to Maryland Port Administration (MPA) facilities.
TWIC is federally mandated and enforcement is carried out by the U.S. Coast Guard. More Information regarding TWIC can be found on the Coast Guard's web site at http://homeport.uscg.mil/twic or the Transportation Security Administration's (TSA) web site at http://www.tsa.gov/twic . TWIC Enrollment Center locations and hours of operation can be found on TSA's website.
Although the MPA is not responsible for issuing or enforcing the TWIC, there are some questions specific to the MPA facilities that are addressed here.
What I said was pretty clear, Airline revenue issue not terrorist related.
" I see no deference from before TSA existed, same percentage of accidents, actually
slightly more issues because maintenance has suffered, which is an airline revenue issue and not terrorist related"
More TSA ports, ports, ports
It's all under TSA now, transportation, trains, trucks, ships, people, TSA wants you carded and monitored
TSA doesn't need to show you any stinking badge, as long as you're badged and they get the information for their data base
TWIC uses advanced technology to embed a template of the owner’s fingerprints as well as a host of other security features that make it nearly impossible to fake.
http://www.tsa.gov/press/releases/2008/0529.shtm
SA Public Affairs (Sari Koshetz): (305) 432-0076
U.S. Coast Guard Public Affairs (LT Teresa Hatfield): (601) 636-5516
Port of Greenville Workers Begin Enrollment for Federal Port Security Credential
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