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    Hide and Seek Lie Ends In Murder Charges

    2nd story today I have posted about kids dying playing Hide & Go Seek

    Police: Girl found dead after hide-and-seek game
    PHOENIX -- Police in Phoenix say the body of a 10-year-old girl was found in a small trunk that she apparently used for a game of hide-and-seek.

    Authorities say it appeared the South Phoenix girl used the foot locker for the game Monday night with neighborhood children and some cousins. They say she possibly died of positional asphyxiation, suffocation or was somehow overcome and passed out inside the container.

    Police spokesman Sgt. Trent Crump says her family found the girl outside a home Tuesday morning but could not revive her.

    Police say it appears to be an accidental death.

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    PHOENIX (Reuters) - A 10-year-old girl was found dead on Tuesday after she likely suffocated in a storage container she may have climbed into during a game of hide-and-seek at her Phoenix home, authorities said.

    Phoenix police said the girl probably died from asphyxiation or suffocation after crawling into the hinged-topped plastic container while playing with family members late on Monday or early on Tuesday. Her aunt and uncle, her legal guardians, had already gone to sleep.

    She was found on Tuesday morning and family members tried to resuscitate her, police said. The girl was pronounced dead at the scene by Phoenix firefighters.

    "We believe she voluntarily climbed into the container and was overcome," said Phoenix police spokesman Sgt. Trent Crump. "It just appears to be a tragic accident. There were no signs of foul play," he added.

    Authorities were awaiting results from the medical examiner to determine the exact cause of death.

    Investigators said the girl was known for hiding in unusual places during the games, including the home's clothes dryer. She also would not respond to calls from her guardians.
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    I wonder why she was playing hide and seek late at night while her guardians were sleeping?
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    I wonder why she was playing hide and seek late at night while her guardians were sleeping?
    @Robynne, I had the same though when I read that part too. WTF? I don't leave my 6 year old playing with the neighbor kids and call it a night. WTF????
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mybabiesmomma View Post
    @Robynne, I had the same though when I read that part too. WTF? I don't leave my 6 year old playing with the neighbor kids and call it a night. WTF????
    My daughter is 13, and if I decide to go to bed before her (which is so rare it has only happened once), she is still in her room watching TV or something. She is not outside running around with other kids
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    Her cousins were there as well, it's very likely they were of age to watch her while her aunt and uncle went to bed. My brother is 7 yrs older and my sister 5 is yrs older than me. My parents let us stay up and play sometimes after they went to sleep, as long as we didn't leave the house or use the stove.

    At 10 yrs old a child is old enough to have a sleepover with cousins (and neighbors) without requiring an adult awake the entire time. (in my opinion)

    ETA: I didn't realize the girl was found outside until just now. I wouldn't be ok with that as a parent unless there were other adults out there supervising.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robynne View Post
    My daughter is 13, and if I decide to go to bed before her (which is so rare it has only happened once), she is still in her room watching TV or something. She is not outside running around with other kids
    when my kids became teens and I would go to bed and watch tv the house was locked and they were in the house
    they werent allowed to run after dark,maybe if they had a older sibling that was watching them and playing maybe but what can you do after dark except hide and go seek and to many freaks in the world out there to grab our babies
    I liked knowing they were in the house
    When they started going out as young adults they had to call my mom when they came home before she could go to sleep
    We were horrible
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    @whisperswing, my 3 older one are teens, and they can't just hang out outside if my ass is in bed. Only if their father is up will I turn in.

    Also, I am not going to sleep and leave those heathens alone. Then some shit goes down, I get a thread written about me, and you guys will be asking why MBM was sleeping and leave all her delinquents to run loose.
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    IT WAS A LIE! She was locked in there as punishment.


    John Allen / Samantha Allen / Cynthia Stoltzmann / Judith Deal
    Phoenix police have arrested four adults who they allege tortured and killed a 10-year-old girl in a case Phoenix Police Chief Joe Yahner called "an unspeakable tragedy, one of the worst we have ever seen."

    Investigators arrested the four suspects Wednesday night. The four were supposedly the guardians of Ame Deal, 10, and at least a dozen other children living in a residence near Broadway Road and 35th Avenue where the body of Ame was found July 12.

    Police said Thursday that Ame had been forced her into a footlocker that was then padlocked, and she was left there to die. Police were called to the home the next morning.

    Police said John Allen, 23, and his wife Samantha Allen, 23, were expected to face first-degree murder charges. Also arrested were Cynthia Stoltzmann, 44, and Judith Deal, 62, who face kidnapping and child abuse charges.

    Discussing the case Thursday, police said Ame apparently was locked in the footlocker as punishment for taking a popsicle from the refrigerator. Before she was locked in, she was forced to spend many minutes doing backbends and other exercises, and running in the backyard despite the summer heat.

    On other occasions, police allege, as punishment for failing to pick up a dog's fecal matter, the fecal matter was rubbed on Ame's face and she was forced to eat it.

    The four suspects arrested in the case all lived in the same home with Ame and the other children. The elder Deal was believed to be the child's grandmother. Police say all the children were being homeschooled.
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    Police were initially called to the home with a report that Ame had been found dead in a footlocker. Police were told that she had apparently hidden there while playing hide-and-seek the night before.

    Police say they now suspect the adults coerced the other children in the house into supporting the lie about how Ame ended up in the footlocker.
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    I just read this here as well http://www.starnewsonline.com/articl...APA/1107280992
    and damn do I feel furious!! I was having a fairly good day today too.

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    I don't get these cases in general, but I always have to pause and take a break when the freaks make a poor child eat feces or vomit as a punishment. That's so grotesque and evil that I almost vomit and punch something at the same time.

    All of these disgusting degenerate fuckers should be force fed all manner of animal feces til they choke and die on it or get e. coli and die a suffering fucking death.

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    Wow...I actually didn't see that coming. Almost like an Shyamalan twist.

    And I'm sure they coerced the other kids into keeping up the lie, otherwise I'm sure it wouldn't just be this one girl we're hearing about...
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    Post Girl Who Reportedly Died While Playing Hide-And-Seek Was Murdered Over Popsicle

    Phoenix, AZ – I hate to start the morning with these kind of stories because they are infuriating. As some of you may remember, last week I posted the tragic story of a girl who reportedly died while playing hide-and-seek. The reports at the time were that 10-year-old Ame Deal was playing the game with other kids late at night, when she climbed into a box in the backyard. She was not discovered untl the next morning, dead from possible positional asphyxiation or suffocation. In the article I asked a couple questions that had me feeling something wasn’t quite right with the story. Why were these kids were out playing hide and seek unsupervised late at night and why didn’t kids notify adults immediately when they could not find the missing girl. Now we know why. It was all a lie. The girl was padlocked inside the box overnight as punishment for taking a popsicle. Now, 23-year-old Samantha Allen and her 23-year-old husband John Allen, face first degree murder charges for putting Ame in the box.*Ame’s grandmother, 62-year-old Judith Deal and her aunt Cynthia Stoltzmann, 44, face charges of child abuse and kidnapping. Not only was Ame placed in the box periodically as punishment, other witnesses at the home say Ame was forced to eat dog shit on one occasion, crush cans with her bare feet, and forced to exercise in extreme measures. The poor girl didn’t even have a bed. She slept without a blanket or pillow in a shower stall. And get this…she was the only kid in the home treated like this. Police were finally able to get the real story with the help from some people they say were living in tents the backyard. Watch this following video with Cynthia Stoltzman talking about what a good hider Ame was how she wishes she would have been there that night. That woman is the one who forced put Ame in the box on several occasions and is the woman who allegedly made Ame eat a dog turd as punishment for not cleaning up all the dog shit near their clothesline. CPS now has the twelve children found in the home in their custody and they say that there were no prior reports of abuse regarding this family. So, let’s get a good look at the people who are capable of abusing a little girl and lock her in a box. Not surprisingly, they look like you could add all their IQ’s together and they’d still rank as “log” or “coma.”
    This article is from The Dreamin' Demon, the Internet's self-appointed buzzkill.


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    Details emerge of a life of horror for Phoenix girl who died
    According to court records: Sammantha Allen is Ame's aunt. Stoltzmann is Ame's legal guardian and Sammantha's mother. Deal is Stoltzmann's mother.

    Also living at the house was David Deal, 51, who told The Republic that he is Ame's father. He declined to comment further.

    Crump said Ame apparently was locked in the footlocker as punishment for taking a frozen treat from the refrigerator. Court records say that John Allen told investigators that he locked Ame in the box while his wife stood by. Then, records say, the Allens fell asleep.

    Before Ame was locked in, however, police believe she was forced to spend two hours doing backbends and was forced by John to maintain the torturous position, court records say. She also was forced to run in the yard despite the summer heat, records say. The temperature that day exceeded 103 degrees.

    Then, sweating profusely and badly overheated, Ame was forcibly jammed into the footlocker, court records say.

    "And then, he put a padlock on it," Crump said, his voice taut with anger during a Thursday briefing.

    The footlocker had been used on several previous occasions to punish Ame for various offenses, including wetting the bed, according to accounts given to police by others who had lived at the home, court records say.

    "When they'd put her in the footlocker, they would pick it up and spin it around and then roll it across the floor," Crump said.

    According to court documents, one backyard resident, Travis Naylor, said that about six months ago, he had returned home and heard screaming from inside the footlocker.

    "He said Cynthia Stoltzmann was sitting on the box and playing on a laptop computer,"
    court records say.

    On one occasion, adults who lived at the house said, as punishment for failing to pick up a dog's droppings, the feces were rubbed onto Ame's face and she was forced to eat them, court records say.

    Other times, "Ame would be beaten with a board that the adults called 'Butt Buster,' " Crump said.

    He said that because of Ame's bed wetting, she was forced to sleep in a shower with no pillow or blanket "because they didn't want her to wet it."

    Several neighbors said they considered the family unusual and heard adults yelling expletives at the children but did not see signs of physical violence.

    They said children of all ages, toddlers to teens, would play outside until late into the night, sometimes until 2 a.m.

    Several neighbors said they considered calling police but did not want to break the family apart.

    Children often had little or no clothes on, sometimes no diapers or shoes, they said.

    Joe Perez, who lives around the corner, said he saw a girl he presumed was Ame being punished by being told to walk up and down the street barefooted and in the heat. "I was about to go over there myself (and say to the guardians), 'Why don't you take off your shoes and walk 18 times on the street?' " Perez said.

    Louis Moreno, who lives across the street, said he saw babies in high chairs eating outside late at night.

    "The family was fishy," Moreno said.

    The other children in the house have been placed with state Child Protective Services, and an investigation is ongoing.

    Police said the adults and children had lived at the south Phoenix address for a year and had come from Utah. Local government records show some members of the family lived in Ogden, Utah, from 2006 until 2010. They also lived previously in Midland, Texas, and Racine, Wis.

    "There is a court record of child abuse from Utah, which we have seen," Crump said, though he did not have details. Arizona court records indicate Ame was listed as an "abused, neglected child" in Utah. Abuse records, however, are rarely made public, and officials in both states declined to comment on the case.

    Arizona officials, however, noted that Arizona CPS had no prior contact with the family or with Ame. Many of their referrals come from schools. But Ame's family home-schooled its children, court records say.

    Michael Deal, Ame's 23-year-old cousin living in Midland, said he never saw any physical abuse when the family lived in Texas and helped raise him. When he was disciplined, he said, he was scolded and told to stand in a corner, as were other children in the family.

    "They were all pretty nice to the kids," he said.

    Michael said he heard about the events concerning his cousin from his mother, David Deal's sister-in-law.

    Among all the children in the house, Ame was most often the one picked on by adults, police and court records say.

    One witness told police that Ame was "the only child punished in the home," court records say.

    The reason Ame was often in trouble: She so often was hungry. Ame, who was 4 feet 2 inches tall and weighed 59 pounds, was most often in trouble for taking food from the refrigerator, court records say.
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    Who in their right mind would publicly say they saw this shit and did nothing? Some people will obviously do anything for their 15 minutes of fame.
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    thank you neighbors for seeing all this really bizarre shit and doing nothing. i mean, come on. kids in high-chairs eating outside at night? kids walking up and down the road over and over with no shoes on? kids "playing" outside at 2am? Really?
    fuck me, fuck you, fuck my life, and fuck the world.

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    seriously, there were 12 kids and people in tents in the backyard ? and her parents are where? did I miss where it mentioned bio mom/dad? and the neighbors said nothing? the tent people said nothing? no one said an effing word, or lifted an effing finger to help this little girl?

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    According to our source, David Deal has called friends and family members asking for money so he can bail his mother and sister, both charged with kidnapping and child abuse for repeatedly torturing the young girl, and his niece and her husband, who admitted to killing Ame, out of jail.
    Ugh... assholes the whole useless lot. It scares me how much John Allen looks like his wife's aunt & grandma... hell he looks more closely related to them than she does.
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    Woman learns of daughter's death online
    An Iola, Kan., woman says she was mortified to read about the death a 10-year-old daughter she left behind after fleeing an abusive relationship.

    Shirley Deal said she fled an abusive household in Midland, Texas, several years ago, leaving behind her daughter Ame, who was found dead July 12, stuffed into a small footlocker in Phoenix, The Arizona Republic reported.

    Deal, 38, who didn't say why she didn't take the child with her when she fled, said a friend directed her to an online report in the Arizona Republic, describing her daughter's death.

    "I read the newspaper, and it made me so upset," Deal said. "They just need to go to jail for life or get lethal injection. That's what they need because of what they did to my 10-year-old baby."
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    Shirley Deal said she was "honestly unsure" if Ame was the daughter of her former husband, David, who she married in Punxsutawney, Pa., in 1996. Deal said she was having a relationship with another man when Ame was conceived.

    The Deals have three children, a son, now 13, and another daughter, now 12, and Ame, who was 10.
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    Shirley said that she and David left Pennsylvania for Wisconsin and then, when pregnant with her second child, she went home to stay with her mother in Donora, Pa.

    She and her children ended up living for many years with her own mother.

    About four years ago, David asked her to rejoin him. She said she went with her three children to Midland, Texas, to live with him and his family, including David's sister, Cynthia Stoltzmann, and his mother, Judith Deal.

    Shirley said that she did not recall anyone abusing the children while she was in Midland. She alleged, however, that she was abused.

    "I was a slave to them," she said, choking on tears. "I had to do everything, and they wouldn't do nothing - they sat on their asses.

    "They were abusing me, too. They were hitting me, and they called me names and made me stay up all night."

    She said that about two years ago, she was "kicked out" of the family's Texas home.

    Fearing for her life, Shirley said, she fled without her children. She said she met a man online who lived in Iola, and she went there. When that relationship failed, she met another man with whom she now lives.

    "He is a good guy," she said. "He cuts down trees for a living, and I cook and take care of the house."

    Shirley said she had only slight knowledge of how the family with whom she had lived, including David and the couple's three children, moved around before winding up in Phoenix.

    They lived for a time in Ogden, Utah, where, according to Phoenix police, they were investigated on suspicion of child abuse. Then, a little more than a year ago, they moved to Phoenix.
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    Shirley Deal said Friday that she hadn't stopped crying since reading details of what had happened to her daughter.

    She isn't shy about saying she doesn't simply want justice: She wants revenge.

    "For what they did to my daughter, they need to be treated the same way," she said.
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    I still don't feel sorry for her. Since she left her kids she obviously hasn't had much contact.
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    what a selfish bitch I have no sympathy for her what so ever
    Love the way shes turns to "me,me,me"
    Yeah thats how you handle life,they abuse you so you meet a man online and leave your kids to be abused and not check on them,hope she fries in hell at the end of her days

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    what a selfish bitch I have no sympathy for her what so ever
    Love the way shes turns to "me,me,me"
    Yeah thats how you handle life,they abuse you so you meet a man online and leave your kids to be abused and not check on them,hope she fries in hell at the end of her days
    That's exactly what I was thinking. Left and let her child become the new Omega that everybody takes their frustrations out on.

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    Is she was unsure if her daughter was also her husbands, I wonder if he was also unsure.
    Dear Mommy...I see you smile down there below...are those tears of joy you show? I'm glad you're happy, although you lied...I'd love to be right by your side...but by your choice, I view from above...tell my Grandparents I send my love...it's Beautiful here, is all I can say...your life will go on... without me in your way. Love Caylee XOXO......
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    This just pissed me off to an unknown degree:

    Several neighbors said they considered calling police but did not want to break the family apart.
    Sounds like a bunch of lowlifes who just didn't want to get involved. As for "bio mom," Shirley Deal is no prize winner. I don't know that poor Ame would have been better off with her either.

    That poor little one. Her death was bound to happen in that house.

    **ETA: Samantha Allen looks like pure evil. Actually, they all do look related. I mean, ALL of them.
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    As it happens in many of these cases...people knew or suspected something was happening..and did NOTHING to save this child from a horrible death.
    It angers me to no end.

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    The father of a 10-year-old Phoenix girl who was tortured and murdered by members of her own family earlier this month is trying to raise money to bail his daughter's killers out of jail, a source who knows the family tells New Times.

    The source asked not to be identified out of fear of what Ame's father, David Deal, might do if the source's identity is revealed. Our source says Deal's a "violent man."

    According to our source, David Deal has called friends and family members asking for money so he can bail his mother and sister, both charged with kidnapping and child abuse for repeatedly torturing the young girl, and his niece and her husband, who admitted to killing Ame, out of jail.

    Ame's cousin and her husband, Samantha and John Allen, each 23, admitted to locking the girl in a tiny footlocker after torturing her because she "stole" a Popsicle in the early morning of July 12. They left her there overnight and when they found her body the next morning she had suffocated.

    Putting Ame in the footlocker as punishment, sadly, was standard procedure for the abusive family, according to police.

    Click here for the horrific details of the abuse Ame suffered at the hands of her own family.

    Our source says David Deal was living in a tent in the backyard of the home with his two other children when Ame was murdered. According to court records obtained by New Times, he was not one of the three people who reported the abuse of the girl to police.

    In fact, David Deal denies that he's even Ame's father, as does the rest of the family, according to court records.

    Our source says Ame's mother dropped the girl off at the home of David Deal's mother (Ame's grandmother, who's charged with abusing the girl), 62-year-old Judith Deal, when she was living in Texas.

    The family moved around a lot -- to places like Pennsylvania, Utah, Texas, and Tucson -- before setting in Phoenix.
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    Ah, that sorta "explains" it. They didn't think Ame was theirs and she was left with them anyway.

    Nice move, you sea cow of a "mother"!
    "The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee."

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    Sad to say...but this is one of those cases where you can say this poor child was doomed from the start.
    All we can do at this point is hope that in death, this child will get the voice she never got when she was alive.

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    No sympathy for the bio mom at all. She went on to make a new life for herself and never looked back. NOW she's upset that her thrown-away daughter was murdered by the people she left her with. Too little, too late, I say.
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    I actually feel a lot more animosity towards the bio mom. Basically she left this girl in the environment she fled from. She didn't give a fuck about that little girl. There is no reason she couldn't take her with her. Fuck her I hope she gets her karma as well well as this inbred disgusting family.
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