Police: Gary Hickerson Knew His Wife Beat The Baby, Sabrina Hickerson Arrested Too

[ShortCake4616]

First, @tmdgirl You copied that straight from the news article. I don't believe nor agree with what they said. I don't feel as though you really care about the facts I can present, so I do not feel the need to justify what I have said to you.

@Tundratot: Taking what I said and elaborating to the extent that you have isn't really serving a purpose here. Lollipops and rainbows? Not so much when these parents are locked up, and there's a dead child. I'm not saying that nothing in the story happened, just that the 'facts' here are misrepresented.

@ Everyone else because it's getting late and I have other things to do, but will return with more comments tomorrow: I appreciate you all giving me credit for acting appropriately on a public forum. If any of you are actually interesting in the 'other side' of the story, feel free to Private Message me, and maybe after talking you will understand.

I don't feel it's my place to sit on here and tell you all every little detail about this case and situation, just so that I can be an 'internet debate winner.' That wasn't nor will be the purpose of my comments. Initially, all I wanted out of this was to have everyone take a step back and look at what's presented to us, and where it came from. I have read ALL of the articles on this case, and I know that plenty of them have reworded what was said in her statements, along with his. The key here is what they are calling abuse.

I thank those of you who were respectful thus far, and I hope to continue this thread in that manner. Those that have been less than respectful, well... I hope that you realize being an 'internet tough guy' doesn't make you cool, it just makes you look uneducated, and quite silly.

[HeatherHabilatory]

Yeah, um. You haven't given us ANY ACTUAL facts AT ALL.

You've told us to look up the definition of blunt force trauma, said the mom didn't do it, said the media and the cops are lying.... and that's IT. None of this is a FACT.

Maybe YOU should look up the definition of the word fact.

[tmdgirl]

First, @tmdgirl You copied that straight from the news article. I don't believe nor agree with what they said. I don't feel as though you really care about the facts I can present, so I do not feel the need to justify what I have said to you.

You're on the ball. I did copy it from the article, a RELIABLE source. They got the information from the hospital, another RELIABLE source.

People here have asked you to clarify your posts, to give facts if you know the real story, or more information that would give credibility to the parents. You just keep dancing around it, never saying anything other than that you know the real story. If you do have actual information that would benefit the parents of this child, why not go to the police? Why not go to their lawyers? Why spend your time on the internet defending these people to a bunch of strangers?

Nobody here is going to care what you say unless you can back it up with facts, with proof...this would come from a reliable source, such as the hospital, the police, news articles...your word, or anyone else's doesn't mean anything unless it can be backed up.

From what the others and myself have posted here, we have given links, we have given definitions, quotes...you have given nothing.

I do care about what facts you can present, otherwise I wouldn't have asked you. I have also asked how you can back up your facts...its hard to just say something and have it be fact, there has to be something to show as proof or to corroborate the facts you present. Feel free to send me a pm with any info you feel you would like to share (if you do want to share). If you have relevant information, I am totally willing to try to corroborate it for you or find anything to help prove what you say.

[carolinablue]

OH BOY!! Thank you Jeebus.

1. No, thank God I don't know either one of them. I don't hang with baby killers or fuck-head enablers. You like them, you go pal around with them and swallow that shit. Sounds like you're about a quart low.

2. How did the baby get dead? Abusive head trauma. yoou think maybe some random maniac busted into the house and beat that child in the head? Oh! I know, he fell off the couch/bed/bookcase or countertop. Or maybe the bathtub did it.

3. The newspaper lied. No, the newspaper reports what it hears from the police reports, autopsy, doctors who tried to save the poor little mite. If you feel they have traduced your friend's character, why aren't you suing or protesting or something. Writing posts on this site is not going to help; know why? We're a true crime-public shaming site; what did you expect here?

4. NOBODY here swallows whatever we are told or read. Not in politics, law, religion, childrearing, or anything else. You should read some of the other threads.

5. What the hell evidence have you presented to convince us otherwise? Nada, zip, zilch, big zero. Just that she's your friend, loves her pussy-plug and didn't have the baby out of wedlock. Big whoop. That only single mothers on welfare kill their kids? Jeeze.

6. Ignorant? We have doctors, nurses, attorneys, artists, writers, foster parents, teachers and political activists and Bible scholars. I have two degrees. In hard science. We consider evidence, not rumors.

I regret I can't give you a Cranky CB Award. You didn't say "only God can judge", you didn't misquote the Bible, you spell well and your grammar is acceptable. You did insinuate that "we don't know the whole truth" or "the truth will come out". I'm sort of disappointed you didn't call us a bunch of fat losers living on the internet and still in Mom's basement.

Keep trying, the competition is fierce but the reward is worth it! TTFN!

[Valasca]

Eym pirdy edumacated, butt eye gotta golook up tha werd "traduce".
Thankz, @carolinablue

[sheevaa]

Well, I mainly came to ask the same question that everyone else seems to have...If mom did NOT go ballistic, how did the baby die?

Quit dancing around the issue and put up your facts, since you are the know-it-all, here.

[tmdgirl]

@ShortCake4616 sent me a pm last night. After a little back and forth, this person has decided to back off the thread for now. They may or may not have information which pertains to the case, and has been advised to take the time to figure out how to proceed (go to LE or the defendants lawyer) with their information.

I don't know if this person will be back or not, but if they do come back, hopefully they will be able to shed some light on the case.

[Nell]

@ShortCake4616 sent me a pm last night. After a little back and forth, this person has decided to back off the thread for now. They may or may not have information which pertains to the case, and has been advised to take the time to figure out how to proceed (go to LE or the defendants lawyer) with their information.

I don't know if this person will be back or not, but if they do come back, hopefully they will be able to shed some light on the case.

Sounds like an attention whore that doesn't really know jack shit.

Oh wait, was that immature? My bad.

[sheevaa]

@ShortCake4616 sent me a pm last night. After a little back and forth, this person has decided to back off the thread for now. They may or may not have information which pertains to the case, and has been advised to take the time to figure out how to proceed (go to LE or the defendants lawyer) with their information.

I don't know if this person will be back or not, but if they do come back, hopefully they will be able to shed some light on the case.

Ahhh, of course.

Translation: I actually don't have jack shit for evidence and I'm running away from the mean DD'ers. When will the tard-defenders ever learn?

[Dakota Valkyrie]

Surprisingly, I enjoyed this article: http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1680107-overview. It said:

"Blunt force trauma is routinely involved in cases classified as accidents, as well as in cases of suicide and homicide. People dying natural deaths often have minor blunt force injuries that do not contribute to death -- small abrasions or contusions on the skin are commonplace at autopsy. Although it is important to document evidence of blunt force trauma in all autopsies, one should not immediately assume that blunt force trauma is the cause of death.

For purposes of death certification, it should be noted that blunt force trauma may be the underlying (proximate) cause of death in cases in which the immediate cause of death is a natural disease process. For example, individuals may die of infections, thromboemboli, or organ failure that occurs as a delayed result of previous blunt force trauma. In some cases, the injury may have occurred many years before death."

Helped me prove my point, thanks!

The pathologists report is far beyond an assumption that the article refers to. I am sure the autopsy was completed and testified to when the Grand Jury indicted them months later. http://www.abc24.com/news/local/stor...yRZ9kA7EQ.cspx

The "it should be noted that blunt force trauma may be the underlying (proximate) cause of death in cases in which the immediate cause of death is a natural disease process" indicates that if the blunt force had NOT occurred, the "natural disease process" (infections, thromboemboli, or organ failure) would not have occurred. Not sure why you would think that would help your point at all.

Medscape is a physicians reference site that also provides continuing education credits for physicians and others in the medical field.

[navsec]

Shortcake, obviously you are of the opinion that the blunt-force trauma which killed this child could have come from an innocent accident.

I am optimistic that the State's medical examiner will be able to back up his/her diagnosis that the trauma is not consistent with accidental injury and the State will be able to produce enough direct and circumstantial evidence to persuade a jury beyond a reasonable doubt that the accused are guilty.

While I don't agree with your position, you at least seem to be motivated by a desire to persuade us to be fair-minded about the case until all the facts are revealed at Trial.

I have two questions for you:

1) if the jury convicts the Hickersons, will you abide by that decision -- in other words, after all of the facts are brought forth at trial and they find the Hickersons are guilty will that be enough to convince you? Or will you persist in believing in their innocence and chalk up the conviction to fabricated evidence or some other conspiracy theory.

If you won't abide by the jury's decision than there really is nothing for you to discuss here or anywhere else. I assume you will, and so my second question is:

2) So many times we have defenders come here and they are very engaged - as you are - up until the guilty verdict comes in and then we never hear from them again.

If the jury convicts the Hickersons, whenever that may be, would you promise, in the spirit of this debate, to come back here and acknowledge the conviction and "eat your words" (for lack of a better phrase)?

Thanks in advance.

[jroberson76]

I just found out Sabrina's arrest and indictment, and it has been quite some time since the latest development in this case, so I don't expect much interest until trial or some other disposition, but I had to comment because it seems this is the only place on which Sabrina's case is currently under discussion.

Now, I have to say, and I'm sure it would serve anyone taking the time to read my post, that I'm Sabrina's oldest brother, and Shortcake is likely her oldest sister, whom I won't name out of respect and for the fact it neither matters nor serves a purpose.

I had originally compiled a lengthy post once the news hit me, yesterday I think after looking up family members via Google, but the dreamindemon.com server wasn't responding to my browser requests, so I've returned today to make one or two statements.

The first thing I would like to say, not that anyone may or may not care, is that I'm in shock. This news is actually quite surreal, and I have a hard time accepting it, not because my family isn't violent, the opposite actually, but that Sabrina, who was always the more quiet and composed, was the one to fall asunder the axe, so to speak.

The other thing I'd like to say, and perhaps I shouldn't, and yet I feel the need, is that Sabrina, while not a victim per se, is certainly more of a product of a very abusive home, and though the abusers would reflexively contest this statement, I can assure that what I say is true. In fact, our father died last October, and his hallmark in life was uncontrollable rage, an anger that would last far longer and deeper than you might imagine, given whatever it was that brought him to that state, and Sabrina's actions are almost a perfect imitation of his.

My father was simply an angry man, and when he took to you in anger, you suffered. He hit, he kicked, he went for the head, as did our mother, who was not only physically abusive, she was emotionally and mentally abusive. My father loved to call us idiots, using that very word, and he even had a paddle he would use to beat us; our mother would mock and insult us, sometimes for what seemed like hours, and as I said, she too would go for the head when the need for violence struck her.

I guess I could elaborate, perhaps to no one in particular because it seems this board is more about angry vengeance rather than either support or understanding of the root causes of what drives people to do some of the shit they do, but as I said, I wanted to get just a little of the underpinnings of Sabrina's upbringing out there to explain, in some way, how and why someone I know to be non-violent could kill her precious little child.

Having said all of that, I wasn't a great son or brother, so perhaps some blame is on me for not being there for her. I accept that blame willingly, though. Unfortunately, it's a little late in the game to wonder if. Self-recrimination and retrospection are little more than luxuries of the guilty.

[AngelFire]

@jroberson76 I am sorry that you are suffering because of what your sister chose to do. I know about growing up in an abusive household. I can share stories that have made grown men weep, my father one of them. But with that said, I never hurt any one of my 4 kids. The oldest will be 20 in a few months, and he will be the first to tell you that I would rather die than hurt them.

This is not coming from a place of anger. I just strongly believe that you choose the path you want to walk on. Unless you are mentally ill and have no control of your actions, you always have a choice. I chose to stop the cycle of abuse and give my children the love, affection and confidence of growing up in a safe environment. I chose better for me as well. Again, sorry that you are hurting. I would be too if my sister did what yours is being accused of.

[jroberson76]

I certainly agree that Sabrina made a decision, a monumentally poor one, to abuse her child, not just once, but on numerous occasions, if what Gary Hickerson said is true.

I also have to make full disclosure: I haven't had much to do with the family in quite some time, mostly because it's a horrible environment, from my father who would have little to do with anyone outside his angry episodes, to our emotionally abusive and extremely cold mother, who treated her children wildly differently depending on whom she favored, so perhaps it's not entirely my place to comment on what Sabrina did, or even who she was near the time of Adrian's death, but what I do know is that there's something more going on. When I look at her mugshot, that stare, that look, is so indicative of her mother, our mother. It's the eyes. The cold eyes.

Now, I don't know about you, but I suspect, and I've thought on this issue for years now, trying to understand how everything went so wrong with our family, whether or not there's a strong genetic component, because my mother has what can only be labeled 'mental issues', and I won't further elaborate, but she at least suffers from clinical depression, and I suspect worse, and I know some of that is in me, and it was in my grandmother. Furthermore, our brother Kenneth is a homeless paranoid schizophrenic (ignored entirely by the family I might add for no reason as he's done nothing to them, Sabrina included), my half-sister is usually on some kind of medication, and I can only imagine what's going on in Sabrina's mind, so as I said, I think there's more here than a merely conscious, weighted, rational and logical thought process involved, as we would all idealistically imagine. I think some people just don't, can't, think the way we think we think, if you get me, and the danger is to assume that what goes on in our brain(s) is the same as what goes on in their brain(s), and I wonder if some genetic aberration, coupled with strong environmental factors, 'led' Sabrina to make such a hideously poor choice.

Now, for the record, before I'm lynched, I am not suggesting she's not guilty, or a victim, or whatever, as I know she made the choice, repeatedly, to do what she did, and unlike 'Shortcake', who is honor-bound to defend her sister, I won't ignore what was reported in the news because I believe, knowing my family's history, better, and even though I deeply care for Sabrina, despite what others in our happy little family may think, I'm also bound to the truth. And I think the truth here is that Sabrina made a terrible choice, and I'm genuinely sorry, and if I could take it back for her and her child, I would.

Another thing is this, and I expect this at some point, from me merely posting: some will chime in, perhaps 'Shortcake', to say that I should shut up, butt out, whatever, because I gave up any right to play brother a long time ago, but regardless, I'm still Sabrina's brother, her family, and I care for what happens to her or else I wouldn't be here, and I would haven't called Timothy Albers, her public defender, either. The fact is, I 'deserted' them because I simply could not stand being around our parents. It's that simple. I hate them, for what they've done, for the way they raised us, and though I think Sabrina was treated better of the five siblings, being the youngest, she still bore the abuse to an extent that was unfair to her as a child, and I think that abuse, regardless of what you and others may choose to think, is a factor in her behavior.

P.S. I went over to our father's old house, to see what had happened, after he died, and I saw Adrian's little zebra rocker still sitting in there, in the house.

Does anyone know how dark it is to enter the house in which your father died, and then see your deceased nephew's toys and clothes?

And throughout, my dad's golf balls. He loved that game, probably more than his children...

[AngelFire]

My heart goes out to you. It really does. I don't think that anyone here will be coming to lynch you. They aren't hell bent on ripping people to shreds. We just don't like baby killers.

You expressed yourself very well, and I can identify with a lot of what you wrote. To me you come across as full of guilt for running away to keep your own sanity. Don't own the guilt that should have eaten your parents alive. They were the ones who inflicted the pain and abuse. Regardless of what went on in your childhood, it is NOT your fault that your parents were insane. Just as it is also NOT your fault that Sabrina hurt and ultimately killed her child.

[CbabyRKO]

Her eyes are dead and so is her sperm donors. It's like they are soulless and don't care that their son is dead becoz of them. I guess it could be shock that is behind their numb expressions but it scares me honestly.

[LadyCygnet]

@jroberson76 I understand where you're coming from, since my childhood had similar elements. While her childhood can make her actions and reactions understandable, it doesn't excuse them. As an adult, she had the choice to go for help. She could have received therapy to help her deal with the depression, anger, guilt, fear, and shame that accompanies being raised in an abusive household. Since she chose to lash out at the one person who didn't deserve her anger at all, she must now deal with the consequences of her actions. I got help for my pain, and while it didn't change me overnight, it certainly enabled me to be a better, more patient mother.

[Droberson]

Hi all. Just going to start by saying I am Sabrina's slightly older brother, nick's brother in-law. I'm the least insane person in my family. I'm also a City of Memphis police officer(haha?). Have any of you even read the actual affidavit? I, before any of you, can tell you the news distorts the truth and what's actually said. Not once did she ever admit to "beating" my nephew. None of you have read the actual report, so you have to go on what some news article says. I have worked cases, like murders, done the report myself, and the news turn it around into a completely different story. Why? Because people like all of you who post on here. If the story wasn't exciting enough, no one would care this much. If you were able to view the evidence that's actually pertaining to this case, you wouldn't think the same way as you post. This entire forum is a bunch of Internet bullies. You depend on something good to come on the news, like this story. Sad. I'll be the first to defend my sister, who wouldn't do the same? Sabrina has always had problems with her emotions, but never enough to even attempt to kill her kid. I knew Sabrina more than any of my family, and she loved her kid more than life itself. But I'm sure you've heard all this before, siblings of the accused, attempting to justify them. The thing is, none of you actually know the truth, about anything that's posted on this entire forum, unless it happens to YOU or your family or friends. To Jeremy, mom hired her a new lawyer. She doesn't have just a public defender anymore. She's going to be fine.

[Droberson]

I'm a "squire" and Ladycygnet is a "Toilet-cleaning ninja". Pretty serious posting here I bet.

[Dakota Valkyrie]

The thing is, none of you actually know the truth, about anything that's posted on this entire forum, unless it happens to YOU or your family or friends.

The truth IS that a Grand Jury heard evidence and decided there was enough proof to proceed with charges of Aggravated Child Abuse and First Degree Murder. It doesn't matter who struck the fatal blows. Anyone that would sit by while a child is abused is just as guilty.

A police report confirmed the child collapsed while home alone with his mother.

http://www.wmctv.com/Global/story.asp?s=16332662

[navsec]

If the story wasn't exciting enough, no one would care this much.

Least of all the District Attorney.

[Nell]

Hi all. Just going to start by saying I am Sabrina's slightly older brother, nick's brother in-law. I'm the least insane person in my family. I'm also a City of Memphis police officer(haha?). Have any of you even read the actual affidavit? I, before any of you, can tell you the news distorts the truth and what's actually said. Not once did she ever admit to "beating" my nephew. None of you have read the actual report, so you have to go on what some news article says. I have worked cases, like murders, done the report myself, and the news turn it around into a completely different story. Why? Because people like all of you who post on here. If the story wasn't exciting enough, no one would care this much. If you were able to view the evidence that's actually pertaining to this case, you wouldn't think the same way as you post. This entire forum is a bunch of Internet bullies. You depend on something good to come on the news, like this story. Sad. I'll be the first to defend my sister, who wouldn't do the same? Sabrina has always had problems with her emotions, but never enough to even attempt to kill her kid. I knew Sabrina more than any of my family, and she loved her kid more than life itself. But I'm sure you've heard all this before, siblings of the accused, attempting to justify them. The thing is, none of you actually know the truth, about anything that's posted on this entire forum, unless it happens to YOU or your family or friends. To Jeremy, mom hired her a new lawyer. She doesn't have just a public defender anymore. She's going to be fine.

You are an ass. The story doesn't need to be dramatized to get attention. A child died. You sisters child. While she did jack shit to stop it.

Does your whole family have an alert for when this thread is posted in? At least one of you has class. City of Memphis should be ashamed of you.

[Droberson]

I care so much about your opinions. And my girlfriend told me that my brother had posted here, so I read and replied. No "alerts". It's just me and my brother. Again with the news and believing it, you're an idiot.

[Nell]

Still checking? Huh? Still there Officer Jackass?

What was your name again? I think i may just call your work and let them know you are here.

[Droberson]

Also, in a case like this, all the grand jury needs is for the prosecutor to say "There's plenty of probable cause" and it's going to trial. It's all in the evidence when it makes it to trial, and the evidence is going to set we free. Watch and wait. All I came here to do was to reply to you Internet tough guys and girls, I'm done. This website is far beyond that of any form of maturity.

[Nell]

Bye Officer!

[Valasca]

All I came here to do was to reply to you Internet tough guys and girls, I'm done. This website is far beyond that of any form of maturity.

You aren't the first to say so, you won't be the last.
And besides. We are TOO mature. Yes huh. Yes huh. I'm telling my mom!

[navsec]

Also, in a case like this, all the grand jury needs is for the prosecutor to say "There's plenty of probable cause" and it's going to trial. It's all in the evidence when it makes it to trial, and the evidence is going to set her free.

don't count your chickens before they hatch

[DamagedGoods]

I like the first brother, he actually contributed something and sounds . This new one is annoying with his "I don't care what you think" while for some reason having replied here. I'm also fairly confident his claim that he is the least insane is questionable considering the first brother was able to write out 3 times as much without having to piss everyone off and be a self righteous douche.

@jroberson76 thank you for your posts, they were heartfelt and insightful.

[blacksheep]

Sounds like the newest brother is embarresed.

A foine upstanding police officers family skeletons coming out of the closet. It sucks for the whole world when this stuff happens. My condolences. Now stand up for the truth and those who can't defend themselves, like your little nephew......