Police: Gary Hickerson Knew His Wife Beat The Baby, Sabrina Hickerson Arrested Too

[ShortCake4616]

If his parents are so perfect...

WHO BEAT HIM SO SEVERELY HE DIED?


Please do answer this forthwith.

Let's see.. First, I didn't say 'perfect,' because in my opinion, there's no 'perfect parent.' But, where in your holy news articles does it say she beat him to death? Blunt trauma to the head is very broad and nondescriptive diagnosis, look it up.

[Whisper]

Let's see.. First, I didn't say 'perfect,' because in my opinion, there's no 'perfect parent.' But, where in your holy news articles does it say she beat him to deat? Blunt trauma to the head is very broad and nondescriptive diagnosis, look it up.

o.k up until this statement I was trying to see things a bit diff
But cmon you have to admit your laughing as you typed that?
Thats the stupidest thing Ive ever heard or read

[tmdgirl]

And second, people say dumb stuff when they are scared, we're all victims to that. So, that's why our court system allows retractions. Now, just because she said it doesn't mean it's true, c'mon folks.. I'm the President of the United States. I said that, does that make it true? Doesn't work that way. The burden of proof is on the state, and quite frankly, there's not any proof.

She admitted she did it. I think what scared her is being charged with murder...so now she retracts her confession/admission. That isn't dumb, its called self-preservation. It also doesn't mean her initial admission is untrue. Her husband also admitted that he knew she was abusing the baby, did he lie?

The state does have proof (obviously), or they wouldn't have charged her with murder. She admitted what she did to the baby, she was alone in the house when the baby collapsed. Her husband admitted he knew she was abusing the baby too. He admitted he did nothing to stop the abuse.

You really need to stop defending these people. They may have been over the moon in love with each other. They may have even loved their baby...but loving someone does not mean that you are not capable of abusing them and killing them. People do it all the time.

[HeatherHabilatory]

Let's see.. First, I didn't say 'perfect,' because in my opinion, there's no 'perfect parent.' But, where in your holy news articles does it say she beat him to deat? Blunt trauma to the head is very broad and nondescriptive diagnosis, look it up.

Here:

At the hospital, the boy was diagnosed with abusive head trauma.

The mother told investigators that she had uncontrollable rages triggered by her child’s defiant behavior and may have harmed him, the court document said.

The boy’s father told police that he was aware that his wife physically abused their son, according to an affidavit.

[tmdgirl]

Let's see.. First, I didn't say 'perfect,' because in my opinion, there's no 'perfect parent.' But, where in your holy news articles does it say she beat him to deat? Blunt trauma to the head is very broad and nondescriptive diagnosis, look it up.

LOL, did you just read another of the threads on here...I just posted the description and definition of blunt trauma there.

For your reading pleasure, I will post it here too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blunt_trauma

In medical terminology, blunt trauma, blunt injury, non-penetrating trauma or blunt force trauma refers to a type of physical trauma caused to a body part, either by impact, injury or physical attack; the latter usually being referred to as blunt force trauma. The term itself is used to refer to the precursory trauma,
from which there is further development of more specific types of trauma, such as concussions, abrasions, lacerations, and/or bone fracturing.

This means that any blunt head injury this baby suffered was caused by impact (such as something hitting him in the head), injury or physical attack ( like being punched in the head or thrown against something hard).

The definition is actually quite blunt (sorry for that), and to the point. Not nondescript like you would have us believe.

[ShortCake4616]

o.k up until this statement I was trying to see things a bit diff
But cmon you have to admit your laughing as you typed that?
Thats the stupidest thing Ive ever heard or read

Not laughing, and how is that stupid? Please, enlighten me. According to the medical dictionary, blunt trauma is "any injury sustained from blunt force, which may be related to MVAs/RTAs, or mishaps, falls or jumps, blows or crush injuries from animals, blunt objects or unarmed assailants." 21 month olds fall a lot, don't they? Plus, where are the pictures of the abrasions, contusions, and lacerations that come with beating a child to death? Can't find them? That's because he didn't have any.

[Nell]

Children can be killed without leaving bruises. People that were ecstatic to get pregnant can become overwhelmed by the realities of parenting and do bad things. Parent's don't admit to what these people admitted to unless they did something wrong.

I have 6 kids. Some have hit their heads hard enough to knock themselves out. Some are so clumsy it is a wonder they make it. But none of them died.

[ShortCake4616]

LOL, did you just read another of the threads on here...I just posted the description and definition of blunt trauma there.

For your reading pleasure, I will post it here too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blunt_trauma



This means that any blunt head injury this baby suffered was caused by impact (such as something hitting him in the head), injury or physical attack ( like being punched in the head or thrown against something hard).

The definition is actually quite blunt (sorry for that), and to the point. Not nondescript like you would have us believe.

Wikipedia is NOT a credible source. Hence the reason I posted a medical definition.

[ShortCake4616]

Children can be killed without leaving bruises. People that were ecstatic to get pregnant can become overwhelmed by the realities of parenting and do bad things. Parent's don't admit to what these people admitted to unless they did something wrong.

I have 6 kids. Some have hit their heads hard enough to knock themselves out. Some are so clumsy it is a wonder they make it. But none of them died.

Ok... Just because none of your children died means that no children ever die from accidental injury? Hmm, for some reason I just can't believe that, just like I can't believe that what the news tells me is truth.

[Nell]

Ok... Just because none of your children died means that no children ever die from accidental injury? Hmm, for some reason I just can't believe that, just like I can't believe that what the news tells me is truth.

Ok then miss smarty pants. You go on defending your friend with the dead child. She just has the worst luck doesn't she? Dead baby when she never laid a hand on it, cops lying on her, media making shit up. Good thing she has you to take up for her on this forum.

[ShortCake4616]

Here:

Interesting, you quoted what the news said. But like I previously stated, they splice statements together to make it say what they want you to hear. They may have asked her, "Do you ever feel enraged to the point of losing controling?" And she may have said 'yes' because she was too concerned with other things going on, like getting her baby to the hospital.

[Whisper]

Ok... Just because none of your children died means that no children ever die from accidental injury? Hmm, for some reason I just can't believe that, just like I can't believe that what the news tells me is truth.

Wikipedia is NOT a credible source. Hence the reason I posted a medical definition.
wow how come courts can use Wikipedia in court them if its not reliable???

[ShortCake4616]

Ok then miss smarty pants. You go on defending your friend with the dead child. She just has the worst luck doesn't she? Dead baby when she never laid a hand on it, cops lying on her, media making shit up. Good thing she has you to take up for her on this forum.

There's no need for immaturity here. The entire situation is terrible. A beautiful little boy died nearly 8 months ago, and it's been one hellish ride for the whole family. Sitting here and telling all of you the reasons why she didn't kill him won't do any good, I know this. But I have to put in my best effort to at least get people to stop and think about what they hear and how that affects what they believe. There are plenty of people in this country who ACTUALLY plan on and succeed at killing people. She just wasn't one of them.

[ShortCake4616]

Wikipedia is NOT a credible source. Hence the reason I posted a medical definition.
wow how come courts can use Wikipedia in court them if its not reliable???

North Carolina seems to agree with me (http://www.ncapb.com/2011/09/10/in-w...-do-not-trust/). Wikipedia is a free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit. How is that credible? That's like saying Facebook is a credible source, get real.

[Nell]

There's no need for immaturity here. The entire situation is terrible. A beautiful little boy died nearly 8 months ago, and it's been one hellish ride for the whole family. Sitting here and telling all of you the reasons why she didn't kill him won't do any good, I know this. But I have to put in my best effort to at least get people to stop and think about what they hear and how that affects what they believe. There are plenty of people in this country who ACTUALLY plan on and succeed at killing people. She just wasn't one of them.

I wasn't being immature Shortcake, I was being sarcastic, there is a difference.

You aren't going to get anywhere here. You aren't saying anything I haven't heard a hundred times from a thousand family members and friends in the last four years. She didn't do it, even though she admitted it. She is in jail because of a conspiracy of the media and the police. She was confused and upset and they extracted a false confession. Etc, Etc, Etc.

In the end a baby still died. Something happened to him. You care about the family so much maybe you should log out and focus on them. Don't mind what we think. Who are we?

[ShortCake4616]

I wasn't being immature Shortcake, I was being sarcastic, there is a difference.

You aren't going to get anywhere here. You aren't saying anything I haven't heard a hundred times from a thousand family members and friends in the last four years. She didn't do it, even though she admitted it. She is in jail because of a conspiracy of the media and the police. She was confused and upset and they extracted a false confession. Etc, Etc, Etc.

In the end a baby still died. Something happened to him. You care about the family so much maybe you should log out and focus on them. Don't mind what we think. Who are we?

Your sarcasm was immature. Yes, you are right. I am stating things that thousands of people say every day, which means it can't just be a bunch of crock.

"Who are we?" Well, Nell, you are all people who may eventually serve on jury duty. In an instance like this, being an advocate for coming to your own conclusions and not just believing everything you read or hear IS part of my helping the family. But you are right, I shouldn't mind what you think, even though it affects everyone, directly or indirectly.

[CasperGirl]

Man we need to call Ghostbusters or something because there is some invisible force that keeps beating and killing babies!!!!!!!!!

[tmdgirl]

According to the medical dictionary, blunt trauma is "any injury sustained from blunt force, which may be related to MVAs/RTAs, or mishaps, falls or jumps, blows or crush injuries from animals, blunt objects or unarmed assailants." 21 month olds fall a lot, don't they? Plus, where are the pictures of the abrasions, contusions, and lacerations that come with beating a child to death? Can't find them? That's because he didn't have any.

Do you mean http://medical-dictionary.thefreedic...t+force+trauma

Or how about this one?? http://www.thefreedictionary.com/blunt+trauma

blunt trauma - injury incurred when the human body hits or is hit by a large outside object (as a car)
harm, hurt, injury, trauma - any physical damage to the body caused by violence or accident or fracture etc.

or even this one http://www.merriam-webster.com/medical/blunt%20trauma

a usually serious injury caused by a blunt object or collision with a blunt surface (as in a vehicle accident or fall from a building) <the patient died of blunt trauma to the head>—called also blunt force trauma

Here's a good article...you may want to read it for a more in depth point of view on blunt force trauma.

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1680107-overview

Interesting though how all of the definitions have a reference to Wikipedia (hence it IS a reputable source).

And although blunt trauma may be ANY injury sustained by blunt force, in most cases, IT DOES NOT KILL YOU.

I totally get that you are trying to defend your friend, but she admitted what she did, she does not deserve to have anyone defend her.

I have 4 children, I have gotten mad at them, they have been defiant. Not once have I ever made them do corporal punishment to the point of collapse (or at all), or laid a hand on them as to cause blunt force head trauma.

My 2 youngest are 22 months and 3 1/2. They do fall on occasion, most children do. But they have never gotten more than a bruise on the arm, leg or elsewhere on their body. They have not been knocked unconscious, they have not gotten themselves killed.

My oldest son plays football. He has suffered blunt force trauma to the head (been knocked out, had concussions). He has never been killed doing that either.

For this little boy to have suffered enough trauma to the head as to have passed away, he must have been hit pretty damn hard and with quite a bit of force. That is more than anger, that is rage. It is uncontrollable.

Nobody splices statements to make it sound better for them. What good what that do the police? Does it make them look better? They are not the ones who did something wrong. Their job is to ask questions, to write down answers, to get to the bottom of the case. They are not out to get your friend, they are simply doing their job. If she made the statements admitting that she lost control and hurt her son, then she deserves to be punished. If she did not do anything, then she could have just as easily have denied doing it, or not said anything at all.

I think you would be better off supporting the remaining family and friends, and not the woman who did this terrible thing.

[Nell]

You know, I am really kind of tired already but here goes. If you are right and Missus didn't beat the baby to death then answer me this.............

How did he die? Did she have any kind of story that was plausible? Cause falling off of the couch won't cut it.

Why did she admit what she did? And in such detail? Would you do that?



Those are really the only questions I have. And don't insult me. I haven't insulted you. Believe me when i say that I haven't been immature since i was 3. World weary, bitter, sarcastic, bitchy, (I think funny at times), but not immature.

[ShortCake4616]

Man we need to call Ghostbusters or something because there is some invisible force that keeps beating and killing babies!!!!!!!!!

Ah, so clever. Thank you for your two cents.

[CasperGirl]

Seriously though, ShortCake you need to go read the stories on here and see how many people claim they are innocent or their family member/friend is innocent but most of the time.....................they are found guilty in the end.

[ShortCake4616]

Ok then miss smarty pants. You go on defending your friend with the dead child. She just has the worst luck doesn't she? Dead baby when she never laid a hand on it, cops lying on her, media making shit up. Good thing she has you to take up for her on this forum.

You don't think that was insulting? And, maybe I have walked myself into a corner now, but as I stated earlier, I could sit here all day presenting different facts as to how she didn't do it. That won't make any difference. You don't genuinely want the answers to those questions, because in your mind, you already know the answers. I won't bother actually answering them.

[ShortCake4616]

Seriously though, ShortCake you need to go read the stories on here and see how many people claim they are innocent or their family member/friend is innocent but most of the time.....................they are found guilty in the end.

Maybe so, but that just proves my point on how people believe everything they read or hear. She hasn't been found guilty yet, so no need to lump her into that category.

[ShortCake4616]

Do you mean http://medical-dictionary.thefreedic...t+force+trauma

Or how about this one?? http://www.thefreedictionary.com/blunt+trauma



or even this one http://www.merriam-webster.com/medical/blunt%20trauma



Here's a good article...you may want to read it for a more in depth point of view on blunt force trauma.

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1680107-overview

Interesting though how all of the definitions have a reference to Wikipedia (hence it IS a reputable source).

And although blunt trauma may be ANY injury sustained by blunt force, in most cases, IT DOES NOT KILL YOU.

I totally get that you are trying to defend your friend, but she admitted what she did, she does not deserve to have anyone defend her.

I have 4 children, I have gotten mad at them, they have been defiant. Not once have I ever made them do corporal punishment to the point of collapse (or at all), or laid a hand on them as to cause blunt force head trauma.

My 2 youngest are 22 months and 3 1/2. They do fall on occasion, most children do. But they have never gotten more than a bruise on the arm, leg or elsewhere on their body. They have not been knocked unconscious, they have not gotten themselves killed.

My oldest son plays football. He has suffered blunt force trauma to the head (been knocked out, had concussions). He has never been killed doing that either.

For this little boy to have suffered enough trauma to the head as to have passed away, he must have been hit pretty damn hard and with quite a bit of force. That is more than anger, that is rage. It is uncontrollable.

Nobody splices statements to make it sound better for them. What good what that do the police? Does it make them look better? They are not the ones who did something wrong. Their job is to ask questions, to write down answers, to get to the bottom of the case. They are not out to get your friend, they are simply doing their job. If she made the statements admitting that she lost control and hurt her son, then she deserves to be punished. If she did not do anything, then she could have just as easily have denied doing it, or not said anything at all.

I think you would be better off supporting the remaining family and friends, and not the woman who did this terrible thing.

Surprisingly, I enjoyed this article: http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1680107-overview. It said:

"Blunt force trauma is routinely involved in cases classified as accidents, as well as in cases of suicide and homicide. People dying natural deaths often have minor blunt force injuries that do not contribute to death -- small abrasions or contusions on the skin are commonplace at autopsy. Although it is important to document evidence of blunt force trauma in all autopsies, one should not immediately assume that blunt force trauma is the cause of death.

For purposes of death certification, it should be noted that blunt force trauma may be the underlying (proximate) cause of death in cases in which the immediate cause of death is a natural disease process. For example, individuals may die of infections, thromboemboli, or organ failure that occurs as a delayed result of previous blunt force trauma. In some cases, the injury may have occurred many years before death."

Helped me prove my point, thanks!

[Nell]

You don't think that was insulting? And, maybe I have walked myself into a corner now, but as I stated earlier, I could sit here all day presenting different facts as to how she didn't do it. That won't make any difference. You don't genuinely want the answers to those questions, because in your mind, you already know the answers. I won't bother actually answering them.

No, I don't think it was insulting. It was truthful. You are acting like a little miss know it all.

And I did want to know the answers to those two questions. Genuinely. Or I wouldn't have typed them up and pressed send.Also, I never once said that i knew all. I thought maybe you would like to elucidate on your posts, hence the questions. But just like I thought you won't answer them. You just want to sit here and smugly tell everyone that you know all but you won't tell us. Kind of like that kid who takes his ball and leaves.

So, you know, whatever. Take that ball and get on home honey. Don't tell us nothing. I had some hope for you since you seemed articulate and sincere, if misguided. But eh..

[Valasca]

As tard defenders go, this one has been one of the more intelligent ones.
What I can't believe is that he/she keeps coming back. We've rehashed the same thing over and over. The baby didn't kill himself. Period.
Until we see PROOF otherwise, our opinions/beliefs will not change.
I believe the sperm donor to be a cuckold. Period. Now, I don't care if you think he's the nicest guy on the planet, he KNEW egg donor was beating the baby. He said so. He did nothing to stop it. And now a baby is dead.
So, please. Hurry up and tell us all to fuck off. Go away.

[ineedanap]

Shortcake is really cursive for ShortBus. And there you have it.

[penelopejo]

You don't think that was insulting? And, maybe I have walked myself into a corner now, but as I stated earlier, I could sit here all day presenting different facts as to how she didn't do it. That won't make any difference. You don't genuinely want the answers to those questions, because in your mind, you already know the answers. I won't bother actually answering them.

You sure do assume a lot of things.

How are we supposed to say, "hmm, maybe the officers and media are wrong," if we don't hear her side of the story?

We like when people come on here and answer questions such as the one's @Nell asked. We are more inclined to hear and listen to someone who is close to what is happening than what the media is saying. We'd like to know what that child fell from and why he got those injuries. Falling off a couch doesn't cause blunt force trauma. A fall that short isn't going to cause blunt force trauma. Maybe in a newborn, but not in an toddler who has a much firmer/harder head than a newborn. We'd just like to know how the baby got these injuries if they weren't by the hands of his mother.

There have been many instances where we do turn around and say we were wrong in jumping to conclusions, but you have to understand that we see hundreds of threads a day that state children have been injured by their parents or people who are supposed to love and care for them.

The only difference in this case is that you sound/seem intelligent enough to carry on a conversation about what happened without going into convulsions like other people. It would be helpful to your case if you answered the questions @Nell posed. How did this baby get such an injury that lead to his death?

[Tundratot]

Perhaps what shortcake is telling us not to believe is that the baby was beaten at all. No. He wasn't beaten. He didn't have abusive head trauma. He didn't die. He's alive and well, and the whole story is a fabrication made up by some nosy parker neighbor who saw a bruise . . . or something . . . and the press just ran with it. There is no grave. The house if full of lollipops and rainbows.

[tmdgirl]

Surprisingly, I enjoyed this article: http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1680107-overview. It said:

"Blunt force trauma is routinely involved in cases classified as accidents, as well as in cases of suicide and homicide. People dying natural deaths often have minor blunt force injuries that do not contribute to death -- small abrasions or contusions on the skin are commonplace at autopsy. Although it is important to document evidence of blunt force trauma in all autopsies, one should not immediately assume that blunt force trauma is the cause of death.

For purposes of death certification, it should be noted that blunt force trauma may be the underlying (proximate) cause of death in cases in which the immediate cause of death is a natural disease process. For example, individuals may die of infections, thromboemboli, or organ failure that occurs as a delayed result of previous blunt force trauma. In some cases, the injury may have occurred many years before death."

Helped me prove my point, thanks!

Not sure how it proved your point. From an earlier post

While at the hospital, the child was diagnosed with abusive head trauma and was declared brain dead the next day.

That really doesn't sound like a small abrasion or contusion. It also doesn't sound like there was an underlying condition or disease which contributed to his death.

What it does sound like was that there was enough trauma to this child's head as to cause brain death.

You might want to go back and read the article, as well as the various news articles posted throughout this thread.

I should have known posting that, that you would pick up on any excuse as to why she didn't kill her child. Not sure why I bothered, since you seem to ignore the obvious and grasp at straws to prove something that is so glaringly obvious to everyone else.

You also mentioned in an earlier post of yours that you could present facts that she didn't do it...do feel free to enlighten us by posting some of your facts, as well as credible sources to back up said facts.