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    5 family members found dead.

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    San Clemente -- The bodies of five family members were found dead today in a home in a gated community overlooking the ocean here, Sheriff's officials said.

    The bodies were believed to have been in the house on Campanilla Street in Sea Pointe Estates for two to three weeks, said Orange County Acting Sheriff Jack Anderson.

    Sheriff's Lt. Erin Giudice said the bodies were discovered when someone went to check on the family this afternoon. The person then called 911, at about 3:50 p.m.

    Anderson described the victims as an elderly woman, a man and woman age 40-50, and two women in their early 20s, all related.

    He said there is no threat to the community.

    Neither homicide nor suicide could immediately be ruled out, he said.

    The neighborhood, set on a hillside, has large homes worth between $1.5 and $2 million.

    http://www.ocregister.com/articles/g...artment-bodies

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    A gated community. Sounds like some money there.
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    Yes but they can still be trailer park trash.

    Mobile home madness: Prices top $1 million
    By Matt Krantz, USA TODAY

    MALIBU, Calif. — The crazy California real estate market has come to this: a million-dollar trailer.
    Location, location: Charley Chartoff put a $1.4 million price tag on his mobile home in Malibu, Calif.
    By Stephanie Diani for USA TODAY

    A two-bedroom, two-bathroom mobile home perched on a lot in Malibu is selling for $1.4 million. This isn't a greedy seller asking a ridiculous amount no one will pay.

    Two others sold in the area recently for $1.3 million and $1.1 million. Another, at $1.8 million, is in escrow. Nearby, another lists for $2.7 million.

    "Those are the hottest (prices) I've ever heard," says Bruce Savage, spokesman for the Manufactured Housing Institute. He says prices in another hot spot, Key West, Fla., top $500,000. As if the price isn't tough enough to swallow, trailer buyers:

    •Don't own the land. As with most mobile homes sold in Malibu, the land is owned by the proprietor of the trailer park, in this case, Point Dume Club.

    •Still pay rent. Not owning the land means paying what's called "space rent" that is as high as or higher than many mortgages in other parts of the USA. On the $1.4 million trailer, space rent is $2,700 a month.

    •Can't get mortgages. Since the buyers don't own the land, most of the mobile homes are paid for in cash or with a personal property loan that usually amounts to $100,000 or less, says Clay Dickens, mortgage loan agent at Community West Bank.

    Why would anyone pay seven figures for a trailer? It gets you more than the typical mobile home. The $1.4 million trailer is in a gated, guarded community with a shared tennis court and panoramic views of the Pacific Ocean. It also is on a larger-than-usual "triple-wide" lot.

    Buyers are willing to pay such prices just to get into Malibu, where the average list price is $4.4 million, says Coldwell Banker broker Rick Wallace.

    But, it's still a trailer with a modest kitchen and faux wood floors. Many still have trailer hitches attached.

    Sellers couldn't be happier. Charley Chartoff, a 29-year-old Coldwell Banker Realtor, is selling the $1.4 million trailer after living there about three years. Chartoff won't say how much he paid, but neighbors say prices have climbed about threefold in that time.

    Developers are partially driving the rise. Janet Levine at Maliblue Holdings has bought several old homes and is installing high-end "mobile villas" to put up for sale. Levine and others bristle at the term "trailer." To be permitted in the park, the home must be perched on piers (a high-end version of up on blocks).

    Some neighbors, though, can only marvel at the prices. Longtime resident Jim Schwartz, 92, says he got an $800,000 offer for his trailer home, which is not for sale. He declined. But, "You come to me with $1 million, and we'll talk about it," he says.

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    I'm sorry - but Cali is NOT that great that I would pay that much for a trailer.

    I have a 4 bedroom, 2 bath, finished basement house 2 car attached garage and 1-car garage size unattached shed with an acre yard on the river, big trees and no traffic. House, insurance, and utilities are under $1500. My husband would have to work 7 more full time jobs just to afford half of one of those trailers.

    Those people are nuts.
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    Fingerprint experts called in to identify dead family

    http://www.ocregister.com/articles/g...artment-bodies

    The bodies could have been in the house for two to three weeks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynntoast View Post


    Fingerprint experts called in to identify dead family

    http://www.ocregister.com/articles/g...artment-bodies

    The bodies could have been in the house for two to three weeks
    Is that supposed to be a picture of one of the victims?

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    Is that supposed to be a picture of one of the victims?
    Twin sisters

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    Weapons Found With Dead Bodies in San Clemente

    http://www.sanclementetimes.com/inde...t01returnid=99

    Weapons Found With Dead Bodies in San Clemente

    May 26, 2008


    Two weapons have been recovered at the million-dollar San Clemente home where five family members were found dead Sunday, May 25 around 3:50 p.m. Authorities said they could confirm gunshot wounds on only one of the victims because of the state of the badly decomposed bodies, which they believe have been there for more than two weeks.




    While the names have not yet been released, the five bodies include a male and female in their 40-50s, two women in their 20s and an elderly woman in her 70s. The coroner’s office started performing autopsies Monday; results are expected over the course of the week.


    According to Lt. Erin Giudice of the Orange County Sheriff’s Department, the male appears to have suffered two gunshot wounds. “The bodies were found in a first-floor bedroom,” said Giudice, who said the odor emanating from the room was so powerful detectives had to enter the room wearing Scott air pack breathing apparatus. “Both the male and female bodies [in their 40s] were in a closet area.”


    According to Giudice, one of the guns was registered to the woman in her 40s. Details on how many shots were fired and whether the second gun was registered remain unknown. One of the guns was found next to the body of the male.


    On Sunday, family members broke into the house through a window after becoming worried about the whereabouts of the five people. The relatives and neighbors assumed the family was on vacation. Twice police have been called to perform welfare checks on the residence—first on May 14 and again on May 24—but observed nothing they considered suspicious. On the second visit, they even brought a tow truck operator to examine one of the parked vehicles.


    Neighbors have described the Sea Pointe Estates family as being quiet, Giudice said. In 2000 police were called to the residence for a suspicious circumstances call. At this point, Giudice said the OCSD believes the crime to be contained to the individuals in the room.


    “We believe the community is safe at this time,” said Giudice.

    San Clemente's violent-crime is relative low, and discoveries such as this are a rarity. The city reported one homicide in 2007 and one in 2006.



    --Norb Garrett, SC Times

    BODIES FOUND IN SEA POINTE ESTATES

    There's a Google Map of the location on the article link above.
    Last edited by SoUncool; May 27th, 2008 at 12:13 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynntoast View Post
    The bodies could have been in the house for two to three weeks
    That's pretty damn sad, when a houseful of dead bodies lies undisturbed for that long because no one is looking for them.
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    Names and more information.

    Margrit Ucar

    Manas Ucar

    Grace Ucar

    Margo Ucar

    SAN CLEMENTE -- Sheriff's officials say five family members found dead and decomposing in an upscale San Clemente home were all dressed in black clothing.

    The bodies - three generations of the same Turkish-American family - were found last Sunday when two brothers broke into the house after not hearing from them for some time.

    Investigators believe the bodies went undiscovered for two to three weeks.

    Authorities said the two parents, Manas and Margrit Ucar, were found on the floor near a closet, Lt. Erin Giudice, spokeswoman for the Orange County sheriff.

    Two guns were found near their bodies and both had gunshot wounds. One of the guns was found to be registered to Margrit Ucar and investigators are still looking for records on the second gun, Guidice said.

    The Ucar's two twin daughters, Margo and Grace Ucar, both 21, were found lying in a bed in the bedroom, Guidice said, although she would not specify if they were laying on the same or separate beds.

    Margrit Ucar's mother, Fransuhi Kesisoglu, 72, was sitting in a chaise lounge in the room.

    The bodies were discovered on what would have been Margrit Ucar's 49th birthday.

    Authorities have not ruled out homicide or suicide and are awaiting autopsy results and toxicology tests before announcing the cause of death.

    Autopsies are still incomplete, and because the bodies were so badly decomposed it could take up to eight weeks to complete toxicology tests, Giudice said.

    When asked whether investigators are looking into the possibility the deaths could have been planned together by the family, Giudice replied: "We are certainly looking into all aspects and all possibilities.

    That's why we want to be really careful when we talk about murder-suicide."

    Deputies had visited the home overlooking the Pacific twice in the past two weeks, prompted by calls from a concerned neighbor and worried relatives.

    But deputies found nothing suspicious, and the callers conceded the family may have taken a vacation.

    On Sunday, two brothers forced their way into the house, only to discover the bodies.

    Because the house was built into a cliff, the bedroom suite where the bodies were found was below ground level, shielded from view and well-insulated, Giudice said.

    "Everything was closed up," she said. "The family and the neighborhood thought they were on vacation."

    Margo and Grace Ucar both finished work toward bachelor degrees in biology at the University of California, San Diego, this past winter, said Pat Jacoby, a spokeswoman for the university.

    Manas Ucar came to the United States in the 1970s and was on the Syracuse University faculty about five years, said Eugene Drucker, a retired Syracuse professor who supervised Manas Ucar's doctoral dissertation in mechanical engineering.

    Ucar's wife, Margrit, also immigrated from Turkey and received her U.S. citizenship in 1987 while in Syracuse, according to an article in the newspaper The Post-Standard.

    Manas Ucar became a consulting engineer after leaving the university, then moved to California in the mid-1990s, Drucker said.

    The Web site law.com lists Ucar as an expert on accident reconstruction, specializing in fires, explosions and seat belt use.

    The family's home is in Sea Pointe Estates, a small, gated community in San Clemente, about 65 miles southeast of Los Angeles at the southern edge of Orange County.
    http://ktla.trb.com/news/ktla-sancle...0,454242.story

    No picture of Fransuhi Kesisoglu

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    Thanks for the info, MO4.

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