7yo and 9yo Boys Admit To Rape Of A Toddler,

[Whisper]

MEMPHIS, Tenn.-
[...]
The boys are just 7 and 9 years old. The Memphis Commercial Appeal reports the toddler's brother saw the boys abusing his sister and told his mom.

A judge on Monday will decide if the boys will be taken from their homes. The prosecutor will push for the boys to be put in state custody for treatment. That way, experts can figure out what lead up to the crime, and if the boys had been sexually molested prior to this incident.

http://www.newschannel5.com/story/14...o-rape-toddler


Young Boys Admit to Rape of Toddler in Memphis

MEMPHIS, Tenn. - Two Memphis boys, aged 7 and 9, have admitted to raping a toddler.

The victim's 5-year-old brother told their mother about the abuse after he saw two neighborhood boys abusing his 2-year-old sister, according to The Commercial Appeal. Both boys admitted to the August 9 crime to avoid a trial.

On Monday, a juvenile court judge will decide whether to remove the boys from their homes.

Prosecutor Chris Lareau said he will ask the judge to place the boys in state custody for treatment. He also wants to determine what led to the crime.

"Are they watching porn with big brothers and uncles? Have they been sexualized, molested?" he said. "We're not trying to lock these kids up."
Defense attorney James Sanders, who represents the older boy, said he believes the 9 year old has been physically and sexually abused.

"What happened to this victim is horrible, nobody is minimizing that," Sanders said. "But my client has a lot of problems and needs some immediate help.
[...]
Juvenile Court Chief Probation Officer Barry Mitchell said the two boys are the youngest to be charged with rape in Shelby County during his 11-year tenure.
But the number of cases of juveniles accused of sex crimes is on the rise.

Juvenile Court services director Jerry Maness said juvenile sex crimes, ranging from sexual touching to penetration with injury, increased by 19.5 percent in 2010 to more than 150. In 2009, that number was 128.

"I'm seeing three of these sorts of cases a month," Lareau said.

http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/dpp/news...ler-in-memphis

[ineedanap]

This case is going to be bad, all the way around. :o(

[Whisper]

This case is going to be bad, all the way around. :o(

yeah it is,so sad

[sgr1966]

im sorry, but i lived in millington for a year and i thought memphis was the dumpiest city ive ever seen. there are shacks in the city. we stopped at a light and people were asking if we wanted to buy drugs.

[VXIII]

im sorry, but i lived in millington for a year and i thought memphis was the dumpiest city ive ever seen. there are shacks in the city. we stopped at a light and people were asking if we wanted to buy drugs.

The death throes of a once great civilization, hope we can pull out of this but no one else ever has...

[amanda3000]

those two young boys need to pay for what they did to the little girl, not just get a slap on the wrist. that two year old baby girl will never trust any male because of what happen to her. just because she is young , to young to remember what happen to her for now don't think it won't come to her mentally after some years and then what?

[Kitty]

This case is going to be bad, all the way around. :o(

You have to ask yourself why a 2 year old was left unsupervised with boys this age--not because of the potential for sexual assault--but because boys at this age play rough and don't fully 'get' that little ones can get hurt.

Awful situation, I agree but also bad on whomever was supposed to be watching over the little girl.

[Silvahalo]

I had to read the title twice. I have a 7 yo boy---can't even go there.

This is not normal in any way shape or form for these boys to act out this way. I would like to know how they are supervised, what they see, who is in their company when doing so and if they've been victims of sexual assault themselves.
The parents are the ones I really want to talk to.

And agree, that 2yo, ffs, what was she doing unsupervised?? I don't let my 3 1/2 yo boy out alone with his brother and friends NOT for fear of an assault like this (can't wrap my mind around that), but that he's a toddler ffs!

I'm sadden to read this....very disturbing.

Juvenile Court services director Jerry Maness said juvenile sex crimes, ranging from sexual touching to penetration with injury, increased by 19.5 percent in 2010 to more than 150. In 2009, that number was 128.

"I'm seeing three of these sorts of cases a month," Lareau said.

My outrage sits squarely on the parents. Those boys, omg-- I'm sick over what they did but what in the world happened to them that they'd do this?? my boy just started using the appropriate word for penis and understands the differences with girls and boys anatomically ....that's normal and typical for 7yo....not this shit I just read. Curious on the 9yo....has he been teaching this behavior to the 7yo?? what's his history? Every child in this scenario--it's so wrong so bad and can not be undone. And I'm not saying there shouldn't be punishment involved...yes, they have got to be punished but the parents, oh, they, they have a lot to explain.

[62julietandvoid]

those two young boys need to pay for what they did to the little girl, not just get a slap on the wrist. that two year old baby girl will never trust any male because of what happen to her. just because she is young , to young to remember what happen to her for now don't think it won't come to her mentally after some years and then what?

7&9 are pretty young. If it is found out that they too have been molested I think punishments at these ages are inappropriate because they are young children re-enacting what they've learnt, presumably from an adult or teen? I look back on my childhood when kids and sex is brought up. I can't recall any of my friends or neighborhood kids not knowing anything about this stuff. I think I could write a book on everything I know. I know some kids as young as 6 were "having sex". If it was anything like some boys tried on me at that age, it couldn't have been penetration, or it could...you know what I mean, sometimes adult men have to have a little help finding something. I don't know.

I guess what I'm saying is: Why punish a child for something taught to them by an adult. It's wrong what these two did BUT if they too are/were molested, they too are victims, and they're still young kids. There is time, and this incident does not mean they will grow up to be rapists or molesters. I thinks it's like imprinting or something. They need to know what they did is not acceptable.

[Whisper]

those two young boys need to pay for what they did to the little girl, not just get a slap on the wrist. that two year old baby girl will never trust any male because of what happen to her. just because she is young , to young to remember what happen to her for now don't think it won't come to her mentally after some years and then what?

The boys need some form of punishment
I dont see where they need to "pay' for what they did
They are 7& 9,what are they going to do lock them up for life??
I have seen many American sentences of kids in the last few years where 10& 11 yo are given life
Theres a reason these boys knew this stuff
Maybe they werent molested,(we dont know that)
BUT they couldve been exposed to porn,seen adults engaging in sex(where the adults werent to careful about kids not seeing)
We dont know what the story is yet and maybe a publication ban will close us out completely who knows
But I dont want to see a repeat of the boys that murdered little James in England where they covered and changed names and replaced them into society only to have the one repeatedly have charges against him for child porn brought against him over and over
Because they coddled those 2 without giving any real treatment
They put them in juvie,then into prison,changed their names gave them new places to live
What about treating the whole person,7&9 arent hopeless ages
They can be saved and treated just hope they do it properly and not just lock them up and decide they are finished
Im not defending what they did but cmon they arent old enough to "PAY" for what they did
Treat the whole person and hopefully they can learn from this and become full members of society
JMHO K pounce away

[Whisper]

I meant to also mention kids are curious and sometimes its not a good thing
If they saw adults engaging in sex of course they will wonder about it
My brother lived with us years ago and he had Penthouse which I dont care about
but he left it on the table in livingroom and Heaven was 4/5 and found it and I flipped
Kids are to "sexualized" to early anymore and its sad
What I mean by sexualized Im not talking them actually having sex but they have to many things geared at them at a to young age
Look at the new bathing suits geared to 7 YEAR OLDS that have push up in the top to give them boobs!!
Im not defending the kids and what they did but take a look around and you see sex all over

Now you tell me what 7 yo needs a fucking push up bra/bathing suits??
http://www.sodahead.com/united-state...stion-1620579/

[AngelFire]

For crying out loud, DD is testing my gag reflexes today...YUCK, & Scary

[Pete Bondurant]

MEMPHIS, Tenn. - Two Memphis boys, aged 7 and 9, have admitted to raping a toddler.

The victim's 5-year-old brother told their mother about the abuse after he saw two neighborhood boys abusing his 2-year-old sister, according to The Commercial Appeal. Both boys admitted to the August 9 crime to avoid a trial.

Well.....at least they aren't gay.

[Silvahalo]

I meant to also mention kids are curious and sometimes its not a good thing
If they saw adults engaging in sex of course they will wonder about it
My brother lived with us years ago and he had Penthouse which I dont care about
but he left it on the table in livingroom and Heaven was 4/5 and found it and I flipped
Kids are to "sexualized" to early anymore and its sad
What I mean by sexualized Im not talking them actually having sex but they have to many things geared at them at a to young age
Look at the new bathing suits geared to 7 YEAR OLDS that have push up in the top to give them boobs!!
Im not defending the kids and what they did but take a look around and you see sex all over

Now you tell me what 7 yo needs a fucking push up bra/bathing suits??
http://www.sodahead.com/united-state...stion-1620579/

OH, I so agree @whisperswing.
I hate Abercrombie & Fitch and the so called marketing they pull. I would never, ever buy from them. ever---sexualized children is way going over the line and I dont' care how some might think it's cute and causes no harm....yeah, lets just keep reading on how sexualizing children causes no harm.

[AngelFire]

If I even see anything in my home that reads Abercrombie & Fitch, I will flip out and start drafting not so nice letters....FUCK YOU Abercrombie & Fitch

[Nell]

those two young boys need to pay for what they did to the little girl, not just get a slap on the wrist. that two year old baby girl will never trust any male because of what happen to her. just because she is young , to young to remember what happen to her for now don't think it won't come to her mentally after some years and then what?

Don't make her a victim. I hate that shit, i really do. She will be fine if the people in her life make sure she is fine. If they sit around whining and lamenting this "horrible" thing that happened to her it will affect the rest of her life.

Molestation doesn't have to rule your life.

[Bohring]

Look at the new bathing suits geared to 7 YEAR OLDS that have push up in the top to give them boobs!

No. Way.

[Silvahalo]

Don't make her a victim. I hate that shit, i really do. She will be fine if the people in her life make sure she is fine. If they sit around whining and lamenting this "horrible" thing that happened to her it will affect the rest of her life.

Molestation doesn't have to rule your life.

Agree. Plus a child of 2yo will not remember but physically, I hope there will be no scars.

[Ninja0980]

It's possible these two kids could be the spawn of satan and are just evil.
The far more likely scenario is that when kids this young do things like, chances are they are doing the same thing that was done to them over and over again or that they have seen over and over again.
Just taking a wild guess but I'm betting the home lives of these two isn't the Leave It To Beaver kind.

[tmdgirl]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110328/...see_child_rape

MEMPHIS, Tennessee (Reuters) – Two Memphis boys, aged 7 and 9, alleged to have raped a 2-year-old girl last August were placed in protective custody on Monday.

Shelby County Juvenile Court Magistrate Dan Michael turned the boys over to the state's Department of Children's Services after the prosecution asked that they be put in custody for treatment rather than punishment.

The boys' attorneys, James Sanders and Samuel Jones, had both asked that the boys be allowed to receive rehabilitative services from the state while in their own homes.

Sanders, who represents the 9-year-old, said there were "clearly no winners" in the situation.

"You've got a victim who certainly is going to probably bear the scars of this incident for years to come," he said.

"And you've got two young, alleged perpetrators who are going to have to carry the burden of this offense with them for years to come. And you've got a family structure that is at least disrupted from this point on."

Jones, who represents the 7-year-old, said that it was "an emotional day for the families" and he didn't dispute the ruling. "I have high respect for the judge and this is a very tough case for everybody," Jones said.

So no real punishment for these little boys. Hopefully, whatever "treatment" they will undergo, will help them.

And I hope that that sweet little girl grows up to have no memory of this terrible time in her life. May she grow up smart, and strong, and happy.

[Whisper]

Families of boys in Tenn. rape case want custody

MEMPHIS, Tenn. (AP) — Relatives of two young boys accused of raping a 2-year-old girl are seeking a court hearing to regain custody after a judge ordered the boys into the care of the state's child welfare agency, attorneys said Tuesday.
Magistrate Dan Michael ordered the boys, ages 7 and 9, into the custody of the Department of Children's Services during a hearing Monday in juvenile court in Memphis.
[...]
James Sanders, the 9-year-old's lawyer, told The Associated Press that the boy's family was not happy with the judge's ruling and they have filed for a rehearing in juvenile court. A date has not been set.
The 9-year-old's grandmother has offered to take custody of the boy, Sanders said. The boy's family feels that any treatment or counseling services the state can offer in the home will be sufficient and putting the children in foster care is unnecessary, Sanders said.

A social worker also wanted to leave the 9-year-old at home despite a report by a mental health expert claiming he'd been abused. Sanders said he could not comment about any allegations of abuse.
"Certainly, one is concerned where they learned this behavior," Sanders said.
The 7-year-old's attorney, Samuel Jones, had urged the judge to leave the boy with his mother and had the backing of a social worker, who recommended the family get services but stay together.
Jones said Tuesday the 7-year-old's family also is requesting a rehearing, and that the boy's mother is upset over losing custody.
The rape occurred in August while a group of neighborhood kids were playing in a south Memphis backyard, officials said. The victim's brother, age 5, allegedly told their mother.
Sanders said the boys are accused of using an object in the rape but they have admitted nothing in court. Further details haven't been released but Tennessee law specifies rape can include attacks with objects.

Read more: http://www.johnsoncitypress.com/News...#ixzz1Jj42ARa8

[badfish76]

"Certainly, one is concerned where they learned this behavior," Sanders said.

Fucking BINGO!!

These acts these kids committed are not what the system (at least in my area) considers Children In Need of Services! They are delinquents! This would be a crime if committed by an adult and I think that should be addressed first or at the same time as whatever services they may be in need of. If this is not corrected NOW these kids will be 6%'ers (80% of all adult crime is carried out by 6% of the delinquent population as they age into the adult system).

Putting these kids back with their families is HIGHLY likely to result in further pathology! Stop the insanity, for the love of the Lord, if it isn't already too late!

[nurseronda]

Yes, she will remember this.

[Robynne]

From the article posted by Whisperswing (sorry don't know how to tag) it seems likely that the 9 year old was the instigator (because of previous abuse) and the 7 year old may have just wanted to do the same things the older boy did. ( younger kids tend to want to play with the older kids)
I think the judge's ruling was right on the mark.

[princessgrandma]

Learned behavior..... exactly.

They should NOT be given right back to the families where they must have LEARNED this behavior. Even if they go to grandma, you know the parents will have access to them. If they are to be helped by any treatment, they have to be put in an environment that encourages that.

[brokenandtwisted]

I doubt she'll remember it. My earliest memory is at four years, not two. Although it's not a rape.

The parents should be jailed on principle.

If I even see anything in my home that reads Abercrombie & Fitch, I will flip out and start drafting not so nice letters....FUCK YOU Abercrombie & Fitch

I sort of agree. It's expensive but not too expensive. It's high-class but extremely low. The models are hot though, but the people wearing it...usually are not.

It's Burberry or bust, folks. Fuckin' Abercrombie...

[Countess Olenska]

Agree. Plus a child of 2yo will not remember but physically, I hope there will be no scars.

Not always true. I remember. I was two and molested by a 12 year old. I'm well adjusted and it doesn't bother me at all. My parent's just went on with life and we didn't talk about it unless it needed to be discussed. Like when I was 13 and had dreams where I saw what was happening and remember bits of it. I had forgotten until then. My mom just told me it did happen, she replayed how it ended (with the minister's wife accusing me of instigating it) and how my father handled it (he told me he was going to get a spanking and not to worry because everything was going to be alright) I should mention I described him to her in detail and I was spot on.

That's all most people need. Don't worry. It's over. Everything will be ok. You want to go watch some cartoons with me?

@Nell Best IGF ever.

[brokenandtwisted]

@Countess Olenska But you can change that experience...every time you access a memory, you change one minute aspect of it. Eventually you'll be able to completely suppress it, or, in general, completely change it into something positive.

[Countess Olenska]

@Countess Olenska But you can change that experience...every time you access a memory, you change one minute aspect of it. Eventually you'll be able to completely suppress it, or, in general, completely change it into something positive.

@brokenandtwisted They weren't reoccurring dreams. I had one dream. It was lucid but solitary. It was also backed up by facts from my mother that I had zero recollection of until then. It was super traumatic from what she told me. I did a lot of rocking back and forth.

5 years later he found my family and apologized.

I do know how to change my dreams so they are positive as if it were fiction. However, this is not the case with this one.

[Silvahalo]

Not always true. I remember. I was two and molested by a 12 year old. I'm well adjusted and it doesn't bother me at all. My parent's just went on with life and we didn't talk about it unless it needed to be discussed. Like when I was 13 and had dreams where I saw what was happening and remember bits of it. I had forgotten until then. My mom just told me it did happen, she replayed how it ended (with the minister's wife accusing me of instigating it) and how my father handled it (he told me he was going to get a spanking and not to worry because everything was going to be alright) I should mention I described him to her in detail and I was spot on.

That's all most people need. Don't worry. It's over. Everything will be ok. You want to go watch some cartoons with me?

@Nell Best IGF ever.

This is very rare indeed that a child of 2yo would remember, but a dream....replaying back, see, so much we don't know how the mind works and holds to things. Sorry for what you went through regardless of the age. I understand completely based on my own experiences.