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    Fire crew not trained in water rescue, so Philip Surridge drowned.

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    A man died after firefighters refused to rescue him from a frozen lake, an inquest heard yesterday.

    Philip Surridge screamed ‘help me, please don’t let me die’ as he struggled in the water. But a fire crew sent to the scene wouldn’t go to his aid because they were not trained in water rescues.

    Yesterday Mr Surridge’s mother accused the firefighters of ‘condemning her son to death’.

    Mr Surridge, 42, had jumped in to the lake to try to save his friend Paul Litchfield, who had disappeared beneath ice as he attempted to pull his dog from the water.

    A passer-by, Stephen Smith, heard Mr Surridge’s cries for help and dialled 999 before wading in to the water.

    But although fire crews arrived minutes later, they refused to help him because it was against policy.
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    The inquest heard a team of four retained firefighters had left an inflatable hose – which could have reached Mr Surridge – on their fire engine, which was parked 1,300ft from the scene at Brightwell Lake, near Ringstead, Northamptonshire.
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    He ran across the ice, but the ice cracked and he fell in, prompting Mr Surridge to go in after him before getting stuck 100ft from the bank.

    Stephen Smith had already entered the water by the time fire crews arrived on December 21. He pleaded with them to tie a rope around him so he could reach Mr Surridge.

    Mr Smith told the inquest: ‘I was getting very frustrated and angry with the fire crew. I felt the fire crew weren’t doing enough.

    ‘When I went to tie the rope around me my hands were too cold. I asked the firefighter to help. He said “I can’t. I just can’t”.’ By the time three boats and six specialist water rescue officers arrived soon afterwards, Mr Surridge had disappeared beneath the surface.

    The crew saved the dog but called off the search for the two men after two hours.

    Mr Surridge’s body was retrieved on December 24 and Mr Litchfield’s on December 30. A post-mortem examination revealed both men died of immersion in cold water.

    Crew manager Kevin Brown told the inquest he ordered his men not to enter the water as they only had ‘basic water awareness training’.

    He said: ‘I decided it was inappropriate to go into the water because of temperatures and weather conditions and the fact that if someone had gone in, we only had a fire kit on with tracksuits and t-shirts underneath.’

    Mr Brown said they tried to rescue Mr Surridge using ‘throw lines’ but they were not long enough. Philip Pells, Northamptonshire fire and rescue service’s head of operations, told Northamptonshire coroner Anne Pember that fire crews would follow the same policy if a similar situation arose in the future.

    He said it was national policy for firefighters not to try a rescue using a rope around a person as an anchor because firefighters had died in the past doing exactly that.

    Since the deaths, the fire service has issued each of its 70 swift water rescuers with a personal dry suit.

    Recording an accidental verdict on both men, Mrs Pember warned it was ‘quite frankly not worth the risk to human life’ of going into water to save animals



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    Damn, what's with the fire fighters these days? Refusing to put out burning houses or rescue people in need? I realize they aren't superheroes, but jesus, the guy was screaming for help the whole time.
    How could they just stand there and watch?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sheevaa View Post
    Damn, what's with the fire fighters these days? Refusing to put out burning houses or rescue people in need? I realize they aren't superheroes, but jesus, the guy was screaming for help the whole time.
    How could they just stand there and watch?
    i have seen civilians with more compassion
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    These two have more compassion. One jumped in for his DOG, the the other for his friend.
    Mr Surridge, 42, had jumped in to the lake to try to save his friend Paul Litchfield, who had disappeared beneath ice as he attempted to pull his dog from the water.
    "Recording an accidental verdict on both men, Mrs Pember warned it was ‘quite frankly not worth the risk to human life’ of going into water to save animals." And this might be so for some people, depending on the situation, considered foolish even, but it seems they cared more than the rescue people. Blows my mind.

    And did not ONE of these fire crew know how to swim? OK, so freezing waters, but the hose....the hose!I don't know how they stood by and watched, its incredulous and unbelievably sad.

    Rest in peace Philip Surridge and Paul Litchfield.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sheevaa View Post
    Damn, what's with the fire fighters these days? Refusing to put out burning houses or rescue people in need? I realize they aren't superheroes, but jesus, the guy was screaming for help the whole time.
    How could they just stand there and watch?
    Numerous reasons...they could have been enjoying the lovely view of the lake and wished for tranquility, wishing to (no further) disturb the lake...they could have had hangovers and just couldn't be bothered with the fuss of it all...they all could have had a fear of water...there could have been carnivorous creatures in the lake...

    Really, sheevaa. You already know the answers to your questions.

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    I remember one awhile back in the UK where the fire fighters or whatever recuse team refused to go down a ravine to rescue a car accident victim and allowed him to bleed to death because they didn't have creek ravine training or some ridicules thing
    They could see the guy and they just watched as he bled to death
    maybe someone can find it, I'm sure I garbled it somewhat, but I remember it being insanely idiotic of the rescue team sent out or of the insurance coverage issues
    the government rather you die, than possibly have to pay a rescue worker medical needs, reality is it's certainly cheaper for the government to let you die than pay medical expenses

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    I'm sorry but just because they have a job title does not make them impervious to drowning themselves. What is the point in MORE drowned idiots? If my non-swimmer husband did something because people thought it fell under his job title and ended up dead, I would sue the state's ass to kingdom come. Any of you would.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dakota Valkyrie View Post
    I'm sorry but just because they have a job title does not make them impervious to drowning themselves. What is the point in MORE drowned idiots? If my non-swimmer husband did something because people thought it fell under his job title and ended up dead, I would sue the state's ass to kingdom come. Any of you would.

    There was someone else at the scene willing to go in, he just needed to be tied off with rope and they refused. I can't find a good logical reason for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obsolete View Post
    There was someone else at the scene willing to go in, he just needed to be tied off with rope and they refused. I can't find a good logical reason for that.
    I know how to tie a rope around myself... "willing dude" couldn't? Logic tells me there is more to THAT story.
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    When I went to tie the rope around me my hands were too cold. I asked the firefighter to help. He said “I can’t. I just can’t”.’
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    Stupid people don't deserve to be rescued. We are overpopulated with them anyway.
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    Sometimes it is best to go to the default preventative measure scenario.... Keep your dog on a leash and properly supervise them. This way, your dog wont go on ice, fall through and have you and your friend lose their lives trying to save your dog.

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