Police Now Treating Missing Zahra Clare Baker As A Homicide

[misssmartypants]

Those photos just broke my heart. Add to that NurseRhondas apt obversation that they put her in a woodchipper. Who I really feel for is the gramma. She had poured her love and soul into this child, only to have it snatched away. I have been there, wondering "is she okay? where is she at? Is she eating? is she safe?. please,no one is hurting her.call dammit,call." and let me tell you, it is the WORST feeling. It is a black bottomless hole of worry. And I was maybe, 40 minutes aways at any given time.(except when they went to vegas, OMG, I went out of my mind) Not a whole continent. And now, gramma is left with knowing her little sugarpie is gone. Just gone. After everything, some monster killed her. The cancer taking her would have been sad, but a person deciding her time on earth,that is devestating. I hope, that in time, gramma will find some light, but not forgiveness. This is unforgiveable.

[Hellsbells]

AUDIO | Listen To Zahra Baker 911 Call

http://www.foxcharlotte.com/news/top...105293688.html

There were 3 calls, just google Zahra Baker 911 Calls They are all on youtube

[Silvahalo]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39900437

Seems as though they may have put her body in the wood chipper after all.

This seems likely now but it surprises me. Wouldn't they have traced human remains early on...like very early on with the cadaver dogs? I guess I'm ignorant how these things work or they had something and were playing it as if they didn't so the whore would feel smug.

I fucking hate this case.

Anyone capable of hurting such a precious child has a festering dark, rotting soul. I'm more pissed off at the so called "father" than the whore. This was his child, his duty, a part of his very being. I loath him with the venom I read on all the so called "mothers" that choose shit over their child.

Zahra was such a beautiful baby.

[Chaindrive]

I don't know what to think about this.

[badfish76]

Badfish, is it possible that because of the stepmothers mental state, she could have recently been exploiting the child,( hence upping the tyranny she also inflicted) and this is the source of the supposed money from the U.K. And maybe somthing went wrong? When you mentioned the bsmd and violent nature of photographs of children, I know its out there and it gave me the willies. And this lady is internet savy. What is your take on the percentage of women that participate in this type of crime against children?

It is not unheard of for women to be involved in child exploitation and the production of the materials, but they are the minority. They will usually be involved because that is what their man wants them to do or they are motivated by the money aspect of it. It is not a crime that a woman will USUALLY commit on their own, but again that isn't unheard of either. When I say on their own what I mean is that there is a male somewhere encouraging them or propositioning them to take the photos or video.

I was reading back over the posts in this thread that I missed and it seems like Baker just kinda took her and ran unexpectedly. I wonder if it was because he got paranoid that someone was getting suspicious of him abusing her. I also wonder if there were photos in that fire that was started in their yard. Maybe an external hard drive? I wonder if they are conducting a forensic examination of the computer/s from the house? Some of this may have been covered in previous posts and I just missed it.

[misssmartypants]

Badfish, Thank you. And I didnt even THINK about the reasons he left so quickly. It is strange that he took his daughter from her people, and the free health care in Australia, to USA where her treatment would drive anyone into bankruptcy... and about that fire..that does raise some questions also.

[Hellsbells]

YouTube - Zahra Baker Prayers For An Angel

[Whisper]

Im still catching up after being away for a few weeks thanks for all the info
Was really hoping they wouldve found her by now

[Aena]

I don't know, I am really beginning to doubt the whole wood chipper thing, which is a good thing of course. I really think they would of found some kind of forensic evidence in the chipper. At least you would think anyway? Some kind of DNA, bodily fluid, hair even, anything in there and if they would have wouldn't someone have been arrested for a murder by now, how would you explain any of that inside a wood chipper? There really would be no legit reason for any of it to be inside of one.

[FknKraze]

I am with the person that said "this case is doing my head in!" I am having night terrors, dreaming about the horror, that was this baby`s everyday life, only to meet, God knows what kind of fate, in the end. May she know nothing but blue skies, love, warmth and happiness at every turn, in her next life. God knows, she certainly earned it.

[rebel450]

Zahra Baker wanted a bicycle.

It was last spring when she lived with her father and stepmother, Adam and Elisa Baker, in Country Manor Estates, a trailer park in Hudson, a community in Caldwell County.

Neighbor Renee Bobbitt liked to watch her grandson and the other children play outside. Zahra, the 10-year-old girl with the Australian accent, joined right in despite the prosthetic leg she used after her left leg was amputated above the knee because of bone cancer.

“You’d see her on the one good leg, and she’d hop as fast as they could run,” Bobbitt said.

But Elisa Baker, who the neighbors knew as Lisa, didn’t think Zahra had made enough progress on her prosthetic to deserve a bicycle.

“She told her the only way she’d get a bicycle is if she learned to run,” Bobbitt said.

The Bakers’ rented single-wide trailer was on a sloped road that ends in a cul-de-sac.

The cul-de-sac is a place where everybody knows what’s going on. The trailers are close to each other, and people peer around their curtains if a strange car drives in. People step outside to smoke and talk and watch the kids play.

Neighbors saw Lisa Baker repeatedly making Zahra run up and down that hill. Sometimes it seemed to be for therapy; sometimes for punishment.

“I’ve seen her smack her a couple of times and (be) all up in her face because she wasn’t running,” Bobbitt said.

There was another side to Lisa Baker’s relationship with Zahra.
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Read the whole article: http://www2.journalnow.com/news/2010...say-ar-499832/

[Aena]

Ok so let me get this straight, according to that article, this little girl actually could have been missing since Aug. or Sept.? It says the Bakers moved during the summer, Aug. or Sept. the neighbor watched them move, didn't see Zahra, the neighbors at the new place never seen her when they moved in. Wow, she could have been gone for over 2 months already.....that is fucked up.

Added: This also means they had all the time in the world to bury this little girl so far and so deep that she may never be found.

[62julietandvoid]

"teenage neighbors took out an arrest warrant on Elisa Baker in connection with an incident related to her making Zahra walk up that hill."

Damn, even kids were trying to help that girl, to no avail.

[carolinablue]

I have followed this case closely; some just stick with you...Baby P, Brianna, Robert Manwill (who looks so much like a little guy I worked with in the shelter), Kyron and Haleigh. I have so much rage inside me right now my hands are shaking; those foul creatures know where she is, they know how and when she died. Still they won't talk. I want her found so badly; I want her to receive the dignity of a decent burial. Oh, how I wish I could do a "Man on Fire" on them!

Denzel Washington: *holds up a knife* "This will make you bleed".
*holds up a cigarette lighter* "This will make it stop".

I would start on her inner thighs and work up to her putrid, gaping cooch. Red hot glass rods shoved up sperm donors pathetic dick. Oh, they'd sing...they'd tap dance and jerk off if I wanted them to.

[Dakota Valkyrie]

Police say a prosthetic leg found in western North Carolina belonged to a missing 10-year-old girl.

The Hickory Police Department said Monday that the artificial left leg belonged to Zahra Baker, who lost her own leg to bone cancer. Police said the serial number on the fake leg recovered Wednesday matched the number on medical records detectives collected from the girl's native Australia.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?se...ate&id=7758849

[62julietandvoid]

Time to turn the heat up on those two.

[Dneilz]

deleted post.... until I can confirm

[Whisper]

Elisa Baker Indicted For Obstruction Of Justice

HICKORY --
The Catawba County Grand Jury indicted Elisa Baker Monday, the same day Hickory police confirmed that the prosthetic leg that was found in Caldwell County last week belonged to Elisa’s stepdaughter, Zahra.

Elisa Baker, 42, was indicted on one count of felony obstructing justice. The indictment stated that the offense happened on Oct. 9, the day Zahra was reported missing by her father, Adam Baker. According to the indictment, Elisa “unlawfully, willfully and feloniously did with deceit and intent to defraud a police investigation, obstruct justice by constructing and placing a false ransom letter and reporting an abduction of her stepdaughter, Zahra Baker.”

Elisa is currently jailed under a $92,200 bond. Of that, $65,000 is for the obstruction of justice charge. The remaining bond is for other charges Elisa faces unrelated to the disappearance of her stepdaughter.

Zahra’s disappearance was first believed to be a missing persons case. However, just three days into the investigation, on Oct. 12, Hickory police changed it to a homicide investigation, but declined to state what made them change their determination. Someone outside the family last saw Zahra, age 10, on Sept. 25 at a furniture store in Hickory. She was with Elisa.

Zahra, a cancer survivor, lost her lower left leg to the illness, as well as part of her hearing. She used a prosthetic leg and hearing aids as a result. The two hearing aids were found at the home when she was reported missing, but her prosthetic leg was not.

On Tuesday, Oct. 26, Hickory police found a prosthetic leg in the brush off Christie Road in Caldwell County. On Monday, police confirmed that the prosthetic was, in fact, Zahra’s.

“The medical records matched the serial numbers on this prosthesis,” said Tom Adkins, chief of the Hickory Police Department.

There was a transponder on the inside of the prosthesis found on Christie Road, and Hickory police had to use a scanner to determine the serial number, Adkins said.

Police then had to contact the facility in Australia that fitted Zahra’s prosthesis to determine if it was the same one that was found in Caldwell County.

Adkins explained why the process took some time, saying not only did the police department need to get assistance with scanning the transponder, but that the records couldn’t just be emailed.

“When you are getting medical records from another country, to positively confirm it, you need to have the records mailed to you and have them in-hand,” he said
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http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2...rge-ar-502190/

[Dneilz]

lol, never mind. She found the link...

[misssmartypants]

One more time... doesnt a prosthetic leg for a child have to be updated/ replaced as the child grows? If hers was the type that needed to be replaced, that means it never was since she came here from Australia. Over two years! Wouldnt they have the info on the leg at a place here in the states if was adjusted? So, her step mom had this little gal running up/down hills, bitchin about her being slow, making fun of the girl wanting a bike..and maybe her prosthetic leg didnt fit anymore or correctly because shes growing. What a 5 star bitch.Same with dad. I bet she is holding out on where Zahra is, gave a taste to the law(where the leg is) in order to get the death penalty off the table.

[Whisper]

Police build case against Zahra's stepmother

The investigation into the possible murder of Zahra Baker in North Carolina has taken a grim turn with police confirming a prosthetic leg found dumped in bushland belonged to the missing Australian 10-year-old.

US prosecutors on Monday also continued to build a criminal case against Zahra's American stepmother, Elisa Baker, with a grand jury indicting her for writing a fake ransom note to ''unlawfully'' and ''feloniously'' obstruct police investigating Zahra's disappearance.

Mrs Baker, allegedly wrote the bogus ransom note several hours before police were alerted on October 9 that Zahra was missing.
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http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/worl...102-17cds.html

[carolinablue]

There is some news, whether it's reliable or not I leave up to you. The article is on the AOL news blog; I don't think we're supposed to link to blogs, just to actual news sources...so, if you check it out, remember, this is an "allegation". Don't know if it's true, a hoax, or what. Scroll down to "latest headlines", and remember, this has not been verified by LE.

[Hellsbells]

There is some news, whether it's reliable or not I leave up to you. The article is on the AOL news blog; I don't think we're supposed to link to blogs, just to actual news sources...so, if you check it out, remember, this is an "allegation". Don't know if it's true, a hoax, or what. Scroll down to "latest headlines", and remember, this has not been verified by LE.

If the letter is really from her it says they didnt kill Zahra but her dad did something very bad to Zahras body after she was dead.

[Whisper]

Well whats the news

lol I was coming to ask same thing or at least a link

[Whisper]

There is some news, whether it's reliable or not I leave up to you. The article is on the AOL news blog; I don't think we're supposed to link to blogs, just to actual news sources...so, if you check it out, remember, this is an "allegation". Don't know if it's true, a hoax, or what. Scroll down to "latest headlines", and remember, this has not been verified by LE.

You can link from a blog little tidbits
You cant start a thread from a blog

[Rawrehz]

Exclusive: Letters Say Zahra's Dad Did Something 'Horrifying'

Letters obtained exclusively by AOL News and believed to be written by Zahra Clare Baker's stepmother discuss the 10-year-old disabled girl's disappearance and say that her father, Adam, did something "kinda horrifying" with the young girl's remains.

"We really didn't kill her, but what he did after the fact is kinda horrifying," Elisa Baker wrote in letters to a crime memorabilia dealer. "[It] makes me scared of him. So I probably am gonna go ahead and file [for divorce]. I have lost my whole life anyway."

"Obviously not everything she speaks in there is true," he added, noting that the contents of the letter "sound much like the same stuff that she's spouting to some other people."

Investigators said last week that Elisa Baker and her attorneys have been "providing information" to police, but they declined to elaborate. Baker talked about being debriefed by police in one of her letters to Gein and said that Adam is supposed to be arrested again soon.

more @ link but nothing is said as to what he did exactly.

http://www.aolnews.com/nation/articl...fying/19699740

[Rockin Ma]

What was she going to sell her hearing aids to the dealer?

Scum.

[Rawrehz]

I don't know if we can believe anything this lady really has to say but I tell ya, I still think dearest daddy-O had every bit to do with it too.
I can feel it in my bones.

[carolinablue]

Rawrehz has the excerpts, here's the direct link to the page:
http://www.aolnews.com/nation/articl...fying/19699740

[Whisper]

Letters allegedly written by Elisa Baker: Zahra isn’t missing

HICKORY, N.C. – The owner of a website that sells crime memorabilia shared copies of shocking letters that he says were written by Elisa Baker, jailed stepmother of missing 10-year-old Zahra Baker, with NewsChannel 36 Tuesday afternoon.

Hickory Police Maj. Clyde Deal says the handwriting in the letters is similar to that of Elisa Baker. Police will have an expert compare the letters to letters definitely written by Elisa Baker at the jail on Wednesday.
According to those letters, Zahra isn’t missing.
“So many missing kids, but Zahra isn’t missing, the cops know where she is and what he has done. That’s right what he has done. If I hadn’t admitted to that stupid note I’d be out in 3 weeks but no they kept pushing and he did that too,” says the third page of a letter, which then abruptly switches gears.
“Anyway, how are you spending Halloween? Have fun for me please,” read the next two lines.
n the letters, Elisa Baker mentions the fact that her husband, Adam Baker was arrested and released.
“I have never been so angry over stuff as I am right now,” the letter says. “He knows what happened to Zahra and yet I’m the one in here, at least for now.”
The letters point more blame towards Adam.
We didn’t really kill her but what he did after the fact is kinda horrifying. Makes me scared of him.”
The letters also contain a variety of doodles and random phrases like, “be part of the freak show” and “Some girls, wanna be princess’s when they grow up. I want to be a vampire!”

On Monday, police confirmed that an artificial leg found off of Christie Road in Caldwell County last Wednesday belonged to Zahra. Police matched the serial number on the prosthetic leg to the number on medical records that detectives collected from the girl's native Australia.
Zahra Baker was reported missing by Adam and Elisa Baker on Oct. 9.
As police moved further into their investigation they discovered that no one, except for Adam and Elisa, could confirm seeing Zahra after Sept. 25.
Elisa Baker was arrested on Oct. 10, the day after reporting Zahra missing, on charged unrelated to the child’s disappearance. She was charged with obstruction of justice in connection with the case on Oct. 11. Police say Elisa Baker wrote a bogus ransom note and refused to cooperate with investigators.
Adam Baker was arrested on Oct. 25 on five counts of writing worthless checks, two counts of communicating threats, assault with a deadly weapon and failure to return rental property.
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http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Lette...106558484.html