Police Now Treating Missing Zahra Clare Baker As A Homicide

[cubby]

OMG,. I never thought of pedos. I just can't write what I wanted to say it's just too sickening to think about!

[Rockin Ma]

I'm gonna repost what I put on a discussion board:

When all this happened, wouldn't the police put the scenario in their head that this person walked onto a property, poured gas and lit a fire and left a kidnapping note, thinking it was the boss's house? I can't see that not happening. I have to believe they did at that time and no one mentioned or asked if there was a child in that house. I want to know if her bedroom was intact after they reported her missing. Was her bed and toys there? If so, did the cops see that when they responded to the fire and the ransom note? It's driving me crazy! Until I read the 911 call, I thought the police found the note after she was reported missing and that the fire was a brush fire, that didn't warrant the police asking any important questions. Like an accidental brush fire that they put out and went away.

[carolinablue]

I just saw a CNN video of the landfill search; they found and hauled off 2 mattresses. Took them to a tent set up nearby and supposedly cut the cover off of one and took it away. I hope we're one step closer to finding Zahra's remains and one step closer to arresting that stepmonster for murder. And maybe her father too, he had to know what was going on. Hell, arrest everyone who knew of the abuse and sat on their asses and let it happen.

[Dakota Valkyrie]

Posted: Saturday, Oct. 23, 2010

Investigators stopped searching a Lenoir landfill Friday, saying they failed to find a mattress - and possible DNA evidence - that could help explain the disappearance of Zahra Baker.

Police said the 10-year-old Hickory girl's parents disposed of her mattress just days before reporting her missing Oct. 9.

Authorities had searched the Foothills Environmental Landfill since Wednesday, when they said they were looking for evidence critical to establishing an accurate timeline of Zahra's disappearance. They revealed for the first time Friday they were seeking the mattress to corroborate information from witnesses and possibly obtain DNA evidence, which they did not describe.

Also Friday, Crime Stoppers from four counties announced they are offering a $4,000 reward for information in the case.
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http://www.charlotteobserver.com/201...-no-clues.html

[carolinablue]

Aw shit! I was so hoping they had found crucial evidence that would make the stepmonster break. Shit. And it was on Nancy Grace too, I got my hopes up for nada.

[Chaindrive]

Okay, I'm confused. carolina said she saw a video of them hauling off mattresses and now DV posted that they failed to find a mattress.

[Rockin Ma]

I think they failed to find THE mattress. There's probably lots of mattresses in the landfill.

But if they were at a furniture store two weeks before were they there to buy new mattresses?

When the new mattresses were delivered, did they take the old away? I didn't hear anything about them searching an area of the landfill that they specifically cornered from the house garbage pickup route.

[carolinablue]

yeah, that's what happened. I should have posted the link, but it was to the CNN website and I didn't think it was permitted. If you want to check it out, just go to the "justice" site on the CNN.com news blog or whatever it is. They hauled off 2 mattresses and removed the cover from one, but it must not have been the one they hoped to find. Shit.

[Silvahalo]

The missing mattress, which belonged to Zahra, was thrown out by her parents in early October, days before she was reported missing, police say.

So IF there is a pedo connection, why get rid of the mattress? I'm thinking if she was sold, (I'm not convinced, this bitch has a disturbing, violent streak in her, likely she killed Zhara), there might have been evidence of abuse on the mattress thinking they'd better get rid of it.

The pedo thing is very possible based on the London connection but that doesn't make me feel better. Alive but what horror's is she living with? I just want the truth and the bitch and her pet to pay dearly for it.

[Rockin Ma]

Zahra Baker’s stepmother has been in the Catawba County jail since Oct. 10, and she’s had frequent visits from three people: her attorney Scott Reilly, attorney Lisa Dubs and private investigator Steve Elhers.


Lisa Dubs confirmed Friday that she has been assigned to Baker’s case as provisional counsel. According to court records, Dubs’ role is to “Conduct a preliminary investigation, determine if the defendant is indigent and needs appointed counsel, and protect the defendant’s rights pending appointment of trial counsel.”


North Carolina’s Indigent Defense Services Director and Capital Defender Robert M. Hurley assigned Dubs to Baker’s case Monday.


Dubs is well-known for defending high-profile murder suspects, and her website describes her specialties as “capital murder cases and serious felonies.”


Dubs is one of about 10 Catawba County attorneys permitted to defend clients facing the death penalty. Even though Baker has not been charged with Zahra’s murder, the case has gained nationwide attention and Hurley has decided that it is appropriate to appoint Dubs because of the likelihood that Baker will eventually be charged with the crime, Dubs explained.


Reilly was appointed to defend Baker on her assortment of charges unrelated to the Zahra Baker homicide investigation and the obstruction of justice charge that followed Baker’s Oct. 12 confession to police that she’d written a fake ransom note demanding $1 million.


Reilly will continue to represent her on those charges, and if Baker is charged with murder and the state pursues the death penalty, it’s possible he and Dubs will defend Baker jointly.
“Scott and I have tried capital cases together before,” Dubs said. “Scott already knows a lot about the case, and we’re going to do whatever’s best for the client.”


On the affidavit of indigence that accompanied her request for a court-appointed attorney, Baker listed her monthly household income as $600 from her husband Adam Baker’s job at Real Tree Services, and $200 from additional income such as food stamps or child support.

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2...ker-ar-478734/

[misssmartypants]

Like, most everyone else, I dont think they will find her alive. And that just breaks my heart. Didnt the step mom admit to writing the ransome note? What if she sold the girl, and like every piece of shit that does that, had to come up with some kind of story and just embellished it more than the average bear? I think that the detectives should look for a polariod camera, cause digital and computers leave evidence.

[Rockin Ma]

I just don't get not telling after you sold a kid. She's sitting in jail, they've already announced that they believe she's dead. If the kid is alive, give up what you know. It's not like the $10K will be used by her while she's serving years and years in prison on a murder charge, but it may still be there after serving a couple for selling the kid. Better come out with the truth and get the child back to her family (but for the record, I don't think she sold her) than gamble on murder charges.

[Rockin Ma]

This report says they DID find her mattress.

NORTH Carolina authorities searching a landfill for clues in the disappearance of Australian girl Zahra Baker discovered on Friday a mattress they hoped would provide crucial evidence in the case.

The mattress belonged to the missing 10-year-old and was disposed of by Zahra's parents days before they reported her missing on October 9.

Investigators were hoping to use the mattress to corroborate information given by people associated with the case, and to glean possible DNA evidence that could offer more clues, a statement from the Hickory, North Carolina, police department said.

The headline at the link says they found her actual mattress.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/bre...-1225943061871

[Silvahalo]

This report says they DID find her mattress.
The headline at the link says they found her actual mattress.

...Investigators were hoping to use the mattress to corroborate information given by people associated with the case, and to glean possible DNA evidence that could offer more clues, a statement from the Hickory, North Carolina, police department said.]

So i guess they didn't find anything suspicious. Well that blows. All that means she wasn't killed there or is alive.
Wtf did these fuckers do to her?

[Aslan]

That woman didn't sell her.
Unfortunately it seems the only person in this story who has a fantastic redemption value is dead.
I don't know how much you folks know about bone cancer. One of my co-workers was a caregiver for her mom who had it. Essentially your bones become so fragile that even turning a doorknob could break your wrist.
It's a very painful and horrid disease. Even though she beat the cancer part, it's hard to believe her bones came back up to par in order to tolerate this woman's beatings.
Hit her so hard her hand swelled because she hit the fake leg?
Damnation

Dogs picking up scents of 'human remains' with the cars and the wood chipper?
Wow man, I need to go listen to some gospel music or something. This is just insane.

RIP sweetheart girl. Fly run and skip through heaven

[Morbid]

Charlotte, NC – Most knew it was coming eventually, but Zahra Baker’s father has been arrested for charges not*related*to his*daughter’s*disappearance. Adam Baker is in jail on $7,000 bond, charged with five counts of worthless checks, two counts of communicating threats, one count of assault with a deadly weapon and one count of failure to return [...]

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[misssmartypants]

I cannot imagine her pussy was that good to do something like that to a child. I still think he has partial involvement here too. He is defintiley not getting my vote for the pity party mode. Asshole.

Sugar, I think it was magic pussy...My ex had a real ugly new gf and I told him she either had a magic pussy or sucked a mean dick. He almost ran me over. He later married her. So, I must have been right.

[rebel450]

Zahra Baker's father arrested on unrelated charges

by NewsChannel 36 Staff

WCNC.com

Posted on October 25, 2010 at 10:29 AM

Updated today at 10:50 AM
Related:

* Archive: Zahra Baker coverage

CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- Hickory police have arrested the father of a missing 10-year-old girl on charges unrelated to her disappearance.

Adam Baker was arrested Monday morning on five counts of writing worthless checks, two counts of communicating threats, assault with a deadly weapon and failure to return rental property.

Baker was being held on $7,000 bond and is scheduled to appear in court on Nov. 18.

Baker's daughter, Zahra, was reported missing on Oct. 9 and is presumed dead. Baker's wife, Elisa, is being held in jail on charges of obstruction of justice. Police say Elisa Baker wrote a fake ransom note and has not cooperated with investigators.

Hickory Police Chief Tom Adkins said at the beginning of the investigation that Adam Baker had outstanding warrants for worthless checks.

Adkins said officers would execute those warrants when the time was appropriate. Baker wasn't arrested earlier because he was cooperating with investigators in the search for Zahra.

http://www.wcnc.com/news/zahra-baker

[misssmartypants]

So, dad will be in the pokey, while they figure this out. He obviously didnt have anything to lead them in the right direction, or was just fucking around w/ detectives. Seems his life took a big dump since he married this bitch... I am surprised the consulate hasnt intervened. Or does someone have info how that works? But you know, that filthy cunt has lied lied lied all her life to everyone. He had to have known this and still married her. That sweet baby didnt even have a chance cause her dickhead dad made the wrong decisions in the face of " somethings really wrong with this lady", over " my little girl deserves the best". Ahhhgggg.

[Angelinfl]

Have you folks seen this.

http://socialexploitation.blogspot.c...d-is-scam.html
http://socialexploitation.blogspot.c...d-is-scam.html
http://socialexploitation.blogspot.c...ling.html#more

To give you highlights www.zarahbaker.com is run by a religious group who have 34.00 Universal Life paper diplomas and no familial affiliation and are rattling the change jars claiming non-profit status but there is no 501(3)(c). They were taking credit card numbers directly and now have a Google check out.

This makes me sick. Please stand tall for zarah and stand up against these frauds. Contact local media... etc. Read the articles..... Someone took a lot of time writing them.

[rebel450]

Zahra Baker’s Stepmother Brought To New Search Site

Posted: 10:33 am EDT October 25, 2010Updated: 4:25 pm EDT October 25, 2010
CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- Zahra Baker’s stepmother, Elisa Baker, was taken out of jail and brought to the newest search site in the investigation into the disappearance of the 10-year-old girl, officers confirmed to Channel 9.

Police said on Monday morning that they are following up on a “promising lead” in the search for Zahra, who was reported missing on Oct. 9.

VIDEO: Police Following ‘Promising Lead’ In Search For Zahra

They began searching the area around Dudley Shoals Road in Caldwell County before daylight on Monday. The area is less than a mile from where Elisa Baker lived three years ago.

Elisa Baker has been in jail over the course of the investigation. She was charged with obstruction of justice on Oct. 12, after admitting to writing a phony ransom note. Last week, a judge raised her bond from $40,000 to $65,000.

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/25501224/detail.html

http://www.wsoctv.com/video/25502773/index.html

[Rockin Ma]

Right now police have closed off roads near Dudley Shoals Road in Granite Falls to search the area.

Zahra Baker’s stepmother, Elisa Baker, used to live near that area.

Elisa Baker was arrested on Oct. 10; the day after Zahra was reported missing, on charges unrelated to the 10-year-old’s disappearance. However, Elisa was later charged with obstruction of justice in connection with the case. Police say she wrote a fake ransom note and has not cooperated with the investigation.

Police haven’t identified exactly what they’re searching for in Granite Falls. Last week crews searched a Caldwell County landfill, looking for mattress that Zahra’s father and stepmother had disposed of in early October. Their search came up empty.

Read more: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/201...#ixzz13PNsgzpg

[impqueen]

Here's my latest theory.

LE has something, possibly in the mystery mattress arena, that offers some evidence. Might be a slim little piece, but it's enough to start dealing. My gut is that even something like Adam or Elisa's DNA on a sheet (or mattress cover) that also has Zahra's blood on it, no matter how it got there, would be more than enough to start the deal ball rolling. Zahra's blood alone, unless it was postmortem or there was a lot of it, wouldn't be enough to move. But they have something.

So LE says "yeah we have the mattress, no wait no we don't, well, maybe we do" because at that point, they're putting a little heat on Daddy. Because up to the mattress search, they've had precious little help from either scumbag, but they've been very nice to give Adam time to crack. He hasn't.

LE says, fine, bring his ass in on the check charges, and by the way, he has a problem showing up for court, so we can hold him on that for a little while. They pick him up, then let Elisa know he's been arrested. My guess is that Elisa denied all involvement. She is now probably saying Adam was molesting Zahra and she wrote the ransom note only to cover for whatever he told her he did. Adam is saying he has no clue, but whatever it was, Elisa probably did it alone while he was out earning $600 a month as a lawn guy.

LE pulls out the evidence they have. They tell both parties in separate interviews that they have enough, that any jury will find them both guilty, and they'll get LWOP or the DP. Suddenly Elisa feels like helping search a little bit, because she's been given enough to know she has to eventually deal. And Adam will probably continue trying to cover his own ass for a little while, depending on his level of guilt.

Zahra probably won't be found right away, but I think she will be found. I do think she's dead, and I do think it's possible that she was abused by both parental figures one way or another.

This case is oddly reminiscent of the Danielle Van Dam case, for me. I'm not sure we'll ever get the full story.

[nurseronda]

Here's my latest theory.

LE has something, possibly in the mystery mattress arena, that offers some evidence. Might be a slim little piece, but it's enough to start dealing. My gut is that even something like Adam or Elisa's DNA on a sheet (or mattress cover) that also has Zahra's blood on it, no matter how it got there, would be more than enough to start the deal ball rolling. Zahra's blood alone, unless it was postmortem and there was a lot of it, wouldn't be enough to move. But they have something.

So LE says "yeah we have the mattress, no wait no we don't, well, maybe we do" because at that point, they're putting a little heat on Daddy. Because up to the mattress search, they've had precious little help from either scumbag, but they've been very nice to give Adam time to crack. He hasn't.

LE says, fine, bring his ass in on the check charges, and by the way, he has a problem showing up for court, so we can hold him on that for a little while. They pick him up, then let Elisa know he's been arrested. My guess is that Elisa denied all involvement. She is now probably saying Adam was molesting Zahra and she wrote the ransom note only to cover for whatever he told her he did. Adam is saying he has no clue, but whatever it was, Elisa probably did it alone while he was out earning $600 a month as a lawn guy.

LE pulls out the evidence they have. They tell both parties in separate interviews that they have enough, that any jury will find them both guilty, and they'll get LWOP or the DP. Suddenly Elisa feels like helping search a little bit, because she's been given enough to know she has to eventually deal. And Adam will probably continue trying to cover his own ass for a little while, depending on his level of guilt.

Zahra probably won't be found right away, but I think she will be found. I do think she's dead, and I do think it's possible that she was abused by both parental figures one way or another.

This case is oddly reminiscent of the Danielle Van Dam case, for me. I'm not sure we'll ever get the full story.

I thought that they already had stepbitch in jail for writing bad checks too. If that is the case, maybe they thought if the kid come up missing that they could collect money from strangers who would donate and all that money would help them pay for and pick up all the bad checks.

I wonder, what kind of life insurrance policies they took out on the kid. Bet they were taken out with bad checks.

[impqueen]

I thought that they already had stepbitch in jail for writing bad checks too. If that is the case, maybe they thought if the kid come up missing that they could collect money from strangers who would donate and all that money would help them pay for and pick up all the bad checks.

I wonder, what kind of life insurrance policies they took out on the kid. Bet they were taken out with bad checks.

Elisa was arrested the day after Zahra was reported missing, so yeah, she's been sitting in jail all this time. Yesterday was the first time she was taken out with LE to search, and she had not cooperated with the investigation since admitting she wrote the ransom note. Basically she shut her mouth after that and didn't open it again until Adam was arrested.

I don't think there was life insurance on Zahra. I don't think they could afford a policy - the kid didn't even get hearing aids until someone else paid for it. And some of those check charges go back awhile. But I do think they were hoping for an influx of cash and TV appearances by posing as the grieving parents. It was a win-win: make Zahra disappear, pull a Ramsey ransom note, cry on TV, get paid. Money + no kid = win, right? I don't think they expected to get called out on the ransom note so fast, if at all.

Sick fucks.

[carolinablue]

I think LE is doing it right. Put both beasts in jail, tell them we know you killed her, but whoever cooperates will get a deal...then wait for one of them to roll over. DP vs LWOP or life with the possibility of parole. I'm betting the pussy-ass, limpdick, knuckle-dragging scrotum scab will roll and bark like a chihuahua.

[badfish76]

The only time I have heard of LE taking someone out of jail for any searches is when a statement/confession has been made. I am thinking once they got Adam in jail they were able to bring her in and tell her they had him in custody and that he was spilling the beans (whether he was or not). At that point in time she might have cracked and they are taking her out there to show them where the body is OR where there is significant evidence.

On the child exploitation theory, I would like to point out that it would have been very easy for them to both be involved in that because a lot of that kind of material involved children pictured in sexual activities with adults. Also the more graphic it is, the more the seller can get for it. It is also disturbing how much of those materials contain violence and BDSM with children. Again, it drives the price up. I hope that the authorities here have contacted the authorities there to contact that man. I could be TOTALLY wrong about this angle and they could have just been exploiting the man's kindness because the child had been sick in the past, but the mattress search REALLY makes me wonder.

[misssmartypants]

Badfish, is it possible that because of the stepmothers mental state, she could have recently been exploiting the child,( hence upping the tyranny she also inflicted) and this is the source of the supposed money from the U.K. And maybe somthing went wrong? When you mentioned the bsmd and violent nature of photographs of children, I know its out there and it gave me the willies. And this lady is internet savy. What is your take on the percentage of women that participate in this type of crime against children?

[impqueen]

I'm hearing unconfirmed reports that Zahra's body may have been found, possibly stuffed inside the mattress. I don't know yet if it's bullshit, but thought I'd pass it along in case anyone local has heard anything on this one way or the other.

If it's confirmed, I'm sure we'll all find out soon enough. If not, well, trolls happen.

4:02 my time: Hickory PD says it's misinformation, Zahra's body is not in the mattress. Also, reports have gone from "yeah it's the right mattress" to "we'll process the evidence", which is investigator-speak for "yeah, we're pretty sure it's the mattress and we're building a case."

Things are starting to move, though, at least. Maybe she will be located soon.

[Angelinfl]

I'm hearing unconfirmed reports that Zahra's body may have been found, possibly stuffed inside the mattress. I don't know yet if it's bullshit, but thought I'd pass it along in case anyone local has heard anything on this one way or the other.

If it's confirmed, I'm sure we'll all find out soon enough. If not, well, trolls happen.

There are TONS of rumors floating around but nothing confirmed.
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