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    Surrey man tape-recorded grievances before shooting wife's sons

    METRO VANCOUVER — Surrey teen Ranjit Gill cried out to his mother just before his stepfather Mahendra Singh shot him to death on Father’s Day 2009.

    “Mommy, mommy,” the 15-year-old can be heard saying in Punjabi to his screaming mother Sukhwinder on an audio-tape Singh made of the murder.

    The tape captures the sound of the murders of Ranjit and his brother Amarjit, 17, as well as the near-beheading of Sukhwinder. It was played Friday at Singh’s sentencing hearing in New Westminster Supreme Court.

    Some spectators had to leave because of the disturbing recording, which starts about 46 minutes before the murders with Singh laying out his grievances against his new wife.

    “This lady, she gave me such a hard time, a hard time,” Singh said in English as the recording began. “I have no other option so please forgive me.”

    The 68-year-old pleaded guilty in June to two counts of second-degree murder for the boys’ deaths and one of attempted murder for brutally beating Sukhwinder and slashing her throat.

    The 38-year-old widow and single mother married Singh in India in 2005 and moved with her boys to Singh’s Newton townhouse in September 2008.

    But the marriage soured and the trio was on the verge of moving out when Singh went on his murderous rampage.

    Defence lawyer Russ Chamberlain objected to the tape being played, saying his client has already accepted responsibility for “killing those two children and ... injuring his wife.”

    But Crown Don Wilson said as unsettling as the tape was, it was necessary to play it to demonstrate to the court that the double slaying was completely unprovoked.

    After his remarks in English, Singh can be heard making several more comments in Punjabi before walking around the townhouse making preparations.

    Right before Amarjit was shot in the chest as he slept, Singh is heard cocking his Winchester rifle and pulling the trigger.

    Next there were several blood-curdling screams — some male and some female — as Singh entered the second bedroom and killed Ranjit right in front of his mother.

    Ranjit died instantly, Wilson said.

    His mother can be heard wailing on the tape as loud thuds began. Wilson said the thuds are the sounds of Singh beating Sukhwinder in the head with the rifle butt. She begged him in Punjabi to spare her, but several more smacking noises followed and then it was quiet.

    Singh can be heard saying “That’s it” in English.

    The townhouse sounded quiet afterward for several minutes except for Singh’s heavy breathing.

    Then Sukhwinder started moaning and quietly cried.

    Wilson said Singh left his battered wife to call 911 and then returned to slash her throat with a kitchen knife and beat her some more. In all, the beatings lasted 20 to 25 minutes, he said.

    Singh can be heard muttering several more comments in both English and Punjabi, almost inaudibly.

    The arrival of police is also captured on the tape.

    Wilson argued that Singh should get a life sentence with no hope for parole for 20 years — twice the legal minimum eligibility period.

    He told Justice Lynn Smith on Friday that the horrific events of June 21, 2009 were beyond comprehension. And he said Singh had shown no remorse or regret for the devastating slayings and attack.

    In fact, Singh laughed and smiled at one point Friday as Wilson described the difficulty in his marriage before the murders.

    Wilson said Sukhwinder, who continues to live in a transition house with severe disabilities, “will probably never get better.”

    Sukhwinder was not in court Friday, though more than a dozen supporters from various women’s organizations were present. The hearing will continue Monday with defence submissions.

    Wilson played an 11-minute video victim impact statement in which Sukhwinder in a barely audible voice wept and tried to explain how the trauma has changed her life forever.

    She said she can’t sleep and is constantly fearful. She can’t work because one arm is paralyzed from the beating. She can’t eat solid food because it gets stuck in her throat. She is heavily medicated and can’t walk without assistance.

    Some in the court gasped when she showed huge scars on her neck where it was slashed and other scars on her head and arm from Singh’s repeated blows.

    But she said the worst thing is that she can’t stop thinking about her precious sons, who she had hoped would marry some day and “expand the family.”

    “Instead of the family growing, I am reduced to a lone person,” she said.

    “They were my entire life. ... My whole reason for living has been snatched away. I can’t live without my children.”


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    There are far too many of these sort of people about anyway.
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    Armies of pestilence; and they shall strike
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    “Mommy, mommy,” the 15-year-old can be heard saying in Punjabi to his screaming mother Sukhwinder on an audio-tape Singh made of the murder.
    He was 15? And yelling 'Mommy'? Man up, you little bitch.

    “This lady, she gave me such a hard time, a hard time,” Singh said in English as the recording began. “I have no other option so please forgive me.”
    Oh, if all the husbands of the world popped out a Winchester when their wives are 'giving them a hard time, a hard time'...we'd live in a very different world.

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    are you and Pete the same person?

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    Oh no, dont know if you have children but at 15 they still think Mommy is the one to save them if they have no father, even if they are smart mouthed, and the punjabi word for Mommy is the same as ours for MA... Ma come get this motherfucker... the little bitch should just man up and meet death without a word you think? Just be a MAN and let this fucker shoot you.. ok.. like to see you do that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by darich View Post
    are you and Pete the same person?
    Sie ist meine treuen Frau.
    Yet know, my master, God omnipotent,
    Is mustering in his clouds on our behalf
    Armies of pestilence; and they shall strike
    Your children yet unborn and unbegot,
    That lift your vassal hands against my head
    And threat the glory of my precious crown.

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    Just an FYI, this should be under foreign news.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darich View Post
    are you and Pete the same person?
    Only on weekends.

    Quote Originally Posted by VXIII View Post
    Oh no, dont know if you have children but at 15 they still think Mommy is the one to save them if they have no father, even if they are smart mouthed, and the punjabi word for Mommy is the same as ours for MA... Ma come get this motherfucker... the little bitch should just man up and meet death without a word you think? Just be a MAN and let this fucker shoot you.. ok.. like to see you do that...
    I'd love to be a man. My life would be much, much easier.

    And you can bet your fantastic ass I wouldn't be sitting around like a God damn dumb, drooling tool while my father - quote - "walked around the townhouse making preparations" - end quote - to kill me.

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    I dunno, sounds like there wasn't much to be worried about if the 17 year old was sleeping? This is a VERY strange situation; however I think it's pretty shitty to expect the 15 year old to "man up" when this guy's holding a loaded gun on him, unless you know how he feels from personal experience? I for one have never been there, never hope to be, but I also can't really imagine how I would feel if I *was* in that situation. That poor mother; I know if I were HER, I'd wish they'd have let me die. That's one that I don't have to guess at.

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    Thumbs down

    Twisted and Broken, are teens not allowed to be children now? Are they supposed to " man up" and not expect the people who love them to protect them instead of murdering them? Are they not allowed to be terrified for their own life, after hearing a gunshot that killed their younger brother and facing that monster with a gun? Are they not allowed to cry out for fear for their mother? I'm glad that she got to at least here his voice, one more time crying out " Mommy!" before this monster waste of skin slaughtered her children! I do hope you are not being racist either, seeing as children are just children, they have no different color in MY eyes!

    As for you wishing you could be a man, I have met GREAT men and TERRIBLE wastes- of-skin men. And well, not a one of them had half decent boobs that can nurse a baby and still look good and have rather nifty bounce, so I kind of like that, and frankly a penis seems to require way too much maintenance and attention ( and those family jewels can be hurt so darned easily, don't know how guys don't live in fear) At least my reproductives are safely tucked inside me. And those very same reproductive organs made me able to carry babies who loved me, taught me a lot on what not to do when you're a parent, and generally added to my life.

    So now I don't wish I was a man. Have I ever wished I had the power some men have? You betcha! Did I ever wish I could scare the shit out of my ex husband instead of him venting his rage on me? Oh yes! And by the way I have two grown married sons who have been giving me wonderful grandchildren and when they haven't seen me for a while they shriek " Mommy!" and run towards me and pick me up and swing me around ( thats where the manly part comes in) They will never stop being " my babies" and my heart is breaking to think this poor mother lost her babies and now her body is mangled, and that piece of garbage is walking around unharmed and even laughing and smiling.

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    Damn Broken and Twisted, taking lessons from Pete lately?
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    I think the death penalty should be used more liberally and carried out without delay in cases when it is clear cut like this one. Keeping one sad MF in jail for life doesn't cut it for me. I don't care how horrible jails are. 30 days then boom - sweep out the trash.

    As a taxpayer, I want these people executed and I want them removed from society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brokenandtwisted View Post
    He was 15? And yelling 'Mommy'? Man up, you little bitch.



    Oh, if all the husbands of the world popped out a Winchester when their wives are 'giving them a hard time, a hard time'...we'd live in a very different world.

    how come noone told me brokenandtwisted is a retard

    there should be some sort of sticky thread or something
    Last edited by navsec; September 12th, 2010 at 11:17 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angelinfl View Post
    I think the death penalty should be used more liberally and carried out without delay in cases when it is clear cut like this one. Keeping one sad MF in jail for life doesn't cut it for me. I don't care how horrible jails are. 30 days then boom - sweep out the trash.

    As a taxpayer, I want these people executed and I want them removed from society.
    There is no death penalty in Kanada, wherein these activities occurred.
    Yet know, my master, God omnipotent,
    Is mustering in his clouds on our behalf
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    That lift your vassal hands against my head
    And threat the glory of my precious crown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanuckGramz View Post
    Twisted and Broken, are teens not allowed to be children now? Are they supposed to " man up" and not expect the people who love them to protect them instead of murdering them? Are they not allowed to be terrified for their own life, after hearing a gunshot that killed their younger brother and facing that monster with a gun? Are they not allowed to cry out for fear for their mother? I'm glad that she got to at least here his voice, one more time crying out " Mommy!" before this monster waste of skin slaughtered her children! I do hope you are not being racist either, seeing as children are just children, they have no different color in MY eyes!
    I'm going to go out on a limb and assume anyone who isn't a blabbering idiot would know to get the fuck away from someone making preparations to kill you. Would you have a powwow while dancing around a grenade?

    Let's say you're 15 and in a house. And your father is toying with a gun but is fumbling with the bullets. He can't place them in properly...however, in fifteen minutes he'll have it down pat. Just after he sets up a tape recording. I mean really, what are you going to do? I could be halfway across Toronto. In fact, in twenty minutes I can go from Yorkdale to Union - several, several kilometres away. This child deserves a Darwin Award. In fact, anyone that was shot in this scenario deserves one.

    And what about my post has anything to do with racism to assume I am remotely racist? I mean, really now...you folk are grasping at straws these days. I guess I'm also from West Virginia, married my cousin (who happens to be Pete), beat the shit out of my children with crowbars, enjoy kicking family pets, have FF boobs, rotting teeth and say "ya'll" in every sentence, a Teatard and a fierce supporter of Sarah Palin because she has rockin' specs...just because I think this kid was a fucking tool and being a little bitch? Yep, uh-huh.

    I was paying bills at 16, with my parents on different continents. So, no. Kids can be adult too.

    Quote Originally Posted by navsec
    how come noone told me brokenandtwisted is a retard

    there should be some sort of sticky thread or something
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    Quote Originally Posted by brokenandtwisted View Post
    I'm going to go out on a limb and assume anyone who isn't a blabbering idiot would know to get the fuck away from someone making preparations to kill you. Would you have a powwow while dancing around a grenade?

    Let's say you're 15 and in a house. And your father is toying with a gun but is fumbling with the bullets. He can't place them in properly...however, in fifteen minutes he'll have it down pat. Just after he sets up a tape recording. I mean really, what are you going to do? I could be halfway across Toronto. In fact, in twenty minutes I can go from Yorkdale to Union - several, several kilometres away. This child deserves a Darwin Award. In fact, anyone that was shot in this scenario deserves one.
    Sounds like the family was asleep until the first shot.

    Imagine you're a 15 yo who is suddenly awaken by a screaming mother and realize you have a rifle pointed in your face. You have no weapon and you see death coming quickly. What are you going to say?

    Some people have a built in "shut down" mode in moments of sever trauma...it's called SHOCK and for a good reason. Even the best trained troops have suffered from it and they knew they were in a life or death situation...SHELL SHOCK. Look it up. Well trained soldiers become blithering idiots because their brain becomes overloaded.

    For all we know, this boy knew nothing until just moments before he was murdered. Have you ever woken to find a rifle pointed in your face? I really wonder if you could feel your legs, never mind actually running anywhere. I wouldn't be surprised, for all your talk, if you wouldn't be pissing and shitting yourself with fear while your brain is moving 90miles-to-nothin' trying to comprehend what is happening to you knowing you may only have seconds to live. I wonder how well you would "man up" in that situation?
    If ya can't laugh at yourself...guarranteed someone else will.

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    I am aware they were sleeping, runecire. I also know a gun blast will wake my ass the fuck up. I also know that unless I have a gun beside me (I sleep with a knife, not a gun)...my ass is not staying in that building. Fight or flight, and I'm flying to the moon. Even at 15 I would have. I am also extremely well-versed and knowledgeable regarding shock. Every single type, I can even explain to you the different forms of shock in nothing but chemical reactions. You're preaching to the choir.

    What is the catalyst here, to you? The catalyst in my eyes is the shot. The shot that he wasn't even awake to know of - which implies his sudden change from unconsciousness to consciousness only proves he would enter a state of panic. He would not enter a catatonic/dazed state (which you're calling "shut down mode") because nothing proceeded the gunshot to his conscious mind. Such a state, actually, if you want to compare it to the structure of a novel...is pretty much a dénouement. The kid missed out on the climax. He is calling for his mother because he's an idiot and doesn't know what to do. Which, as we all know, is not stand the fuck around.

    Just last month I dealt with auto-enucleation - an incredibly violent, mentally ill man who ripped out his eyes that could have easily taken me down. I have not had a gun pointed at me. However, I've been in plenty of situations that I've had to save myself from something spontaneously endangering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Countess Olenska View Post
    I'm a fighter but I'm also leeringly calm when things are insanely chaotic.
    I am insanely chaotic when things are leeringly calm.
    Yet know, my master, God omnipotent,
    Is mustering in his clouds on our behalf
    Armies of pestilence; and they shall strike
    Your children yet unborn and unbegot,
    That lift your vassal hands against my head
    And threat the glory of my precious crown.

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    Way to pick a totally fucked up word paring, CO. Shut up, Pete. I'll be quiet now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brokenandtwisted View Post
    What is the catalyst here, to you? The catalyst in my eyes is the shot. The shot that he wasn't even awake to know of - which implies his sudden change from unconsciousness to consciousness only proves he would enter a state of panic. He would not enter a catatonic/dazed state (which you're calling "shut down mode") because nothing proceeded the gunshot to his conscious mind. Such a state, actually, if you want to compare it to the structure of a novel...is pretty much a dénouement. The kid missed out on the climax. He is calling for his mother because he's an idiot and doesn't know what to do. Which, as we all know, is not stand the fuck around.
    Here's how I read it. Shot goes off...Mom goes running and screaming into 15yo's bedroom to wake him up, Bastard follows her in with the gun and kills the boy.

    He was awakened by the screaming mom in his face and then realizes there's a gun also. Ever been woken by a screaming anybody. I have...silly kids. Not fun, and there was no gun...just nightmares. :) Still took me a few seconds to get my wits about me.

    Just saying it's hard to "man up" when you're not given a chance to. He went into shock, IMO, with the combination of screaming mom and gun in face. Not hard to believe it would happen to any of us.

    EDIT to add: I'm sure the boy was praying for mom to "man up" since she was the one seemingly awake and coherent through this situation.
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    if there's one thing i can get from your posts brokentwisted its that you are making a hell of alot of assumptions about what happened in that house. you weren't there. i guess i've made assumptions too though: my assumption is that this boy, like any other human, would have tried to escape if possible. my guess is that he was, in some way, trapped and his final words of "mommy!" were the last guttural, primal expressions of fear from a young man about to be murdered.

    "He was 15? And yelling 'Mommy'? Man up, you little bitch."

    if i'm going to be laughed at (as you suggest) for saying that your statement above is a callous, and thoughtless assessment of this young man's final moments than ok, go ahead and laugh. i call it as i see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brokenandtwisted View Post

    Just last month I dealt with auto-enucleation - an incredibly violent, mentally ill man who ripped out his eyes that could have easily taken me down. I have not had a gun pointed at me. However, I've been in plenty of situations that I've had to save myself from something spontaneously endangering.
    But were you asleep, and in what stage of sleep, and is your adult brainfunction and your experiences anything comparable to what this boy had to draw upon?

    You are equating your situations as an adult to this 15yo's.

    I have a 15 yo that has seen death and seen some of the worst that life can dish out. I also have an 18yo that would piss his pants if a gunshot was a block away. The two are not comparable even being that close in age. And I don't know that my 15yo would react any better if woken by a screaming person and a gun. :)

    For all we know this poor boy had never seen the ugly side of life. If life had been nothing but roses and cupcakes, he would have no survival instincts to fall back on in this situation. You and I are far better equipped mentally to deal with this crap because we have experiences and instincts that keep us alive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Countess Olenska View Post
    In hospital settings you are correct, you are put in situations were your flight or fight is tested. I'm a fighter but I'm also leeringly calm when things are insanely chaotic.

    Waking up to a loud bang would make me arm and investigate, not crouch and cry.
    Try working in trauma as a young doctor...with everyone coming to you (even with years of health experience) because "you're a doctor", even although you have no idea what the fuck to do because you're new. Learning all of the science is wonderful - applying it to real situations is a totally different world.

    Four people come in from a car accident, one with a stab wound, two others hit by cars...which do you attend to first? Who do you station? Your brain has to shut off to become a zombie and you have to think of people as nothing but lumps of cells...and they have rapidly approaching expiration dates. Trauma is a fucking headache and I advise you to stay away from it, CO.

    Quote Originally Posted by navsec
    if there's one thing i can get from your posts brokentwisted its that you are making a hell of alot of assumptions about what happened in that house. you weren't there. i guess i've made assumptions too though: my assumption is that this boy, like any other human, would have tried to escape if possible. my guess is that he was, in some way, trapped and his final words of "mommy!" were the last guttural, primal expressions of fear from a young man about to be murdered.

    "He was 15? And yelling 'Mommy'? Man up, you little bitch."

    if i'm going to be laughed at (as you suggest) for saying that your statement above is a callous, and thoughtless assessment of this young man's final moments than ok, go ahead and laugh. i call it as i see it.
    No. People would (and already have) laugh at you for calling me a retard. We all make assumptions regarding posts on this site. Everything comes from news articles. We call mothers horrible when we don't know their story. We laugh at people who have come to the site asking moderators to remove articles about them. We publicly shame criminals we do not personally know. Perhaps things were different in the house...we do not know. I am merely reading an article, the same one you read. The one you didn't even comment on - instead, the one where you decided to call me a 'retard' in this thread without even commenting on the story.

    Given your post history, the two in this thread...and your treacherous...I don't even know if I'd called that spelling/grammar since it's offensive on principle...I'm going to assume that you are, in fact, a 'retard'. Life is full of assumptions. Welcome to reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by runecire
    But were you asleep, and in what stage of sleep, and is your adult brainfunction and your experiences anything comparable to what this boy had to draw upon?

    You are equating your situations as an adult to this 15yo's.
    I might as well have been...medical residents do not sleep. Nevertheless, my current age is irrelevant. Human beings chemically respond to shock in similar fashion at all ages. It is instinctive and has nothing to do with age. Experience? Experience is key, of course. But you are implying I've never experienced something traumatic at the age of 15 or prior. Which simply isn't true, as you couldn't possibly know that.

    Shitty that your kids had to experience something like that, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brokenandtwisted View Post
    No. People would (and already have) laugh at you for calling me a retard. We all make assumptions regarding posts on this site. Everything comes from news articles. We call mothers horrible when we don't know their story. We laugh at people who have come to the site asking moderators to remove articles about them. We publicly shame criminals we do not personally know. Perhaps things were different in the house...we do not know. I am merely reading an article, the same one you read. The one you didn't even comment on - instead, the one where you decided to call me a 'retard' in this thread without even commenting on the story.

    Given your post history, the two in this thread...and your treacherous...I don't even know if I'd called that spelling/grammar since it's offensive on principle...I'm going to assume that you are, in fact, a 'retard'. Life is full of assumptions. Welcome to reality.
    I'd review your post again before you start attacking my grammar.

    and let me be clear, I'm not calling you out for making assumptions. I'm calling you out for referring to this woman's dead child as a "little bitch" because he called out "mommy" in his last terrified moments.

    we all make assumptions but i'm talking about something else. frankly, when you made that statement i figured you were just trolling. i'm surprised you're actually defending it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by navsec View Post
    I'd review your post again before you start attacking my grammar.
    I care enough to edit my posts? I see three errors, actually. You clearly care enough to edit, about ten minutes after you called me a retard.

    and let me be clear, I'm not calling you out for making assumptions. I'm calling you out for referring to this woman's dead child as a "little bitch" because he called out "mommy" in his last terrified moments.

    we all make assumptions but i'm talking about something else. frankly, when you said that i figured you were just trolling and i'm surprised you're actually defending it.
    No. I called you out on being a fucking idiot. And now you're trying to formulate something moderately coherent...and failing, miserably.

    Kid is a little bitch. My comment stands.

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    Kid is a little bitch. My comment stands.
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    Do you realise.....that you people are arguing over the fate(s) of Punjabis?
    Yet know, my master, God omnipotent,
    Is mustering in his clouds on our behalf
    Armies of pestilence; and they shall strike
    Your children yet unborn and unbegot,
    That lift your vassal hands against my head
    And threat the glory of my precious crown.

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