DNA test have shown that Hitler had the same genetic make up of what Hitler refer to as "subhumans". I guess it goes to prove what many have said throughout the years, about his ancestry.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...ests-show.html
DNA test have shown that Hitler had the same genetic make up of what Hitler refer to as "subhumans". I guess it goes to prove what many have said throughout the years, about his ancestry.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...ests-show.html
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Oh crap, I think I heard Pete just have a stroke.
I read this mondo book in highschool that stated Hitler was believed to be the illegitimate child of his mother's previous employer. I believe she worked as a housekeeper for a Jewish family and suddenly severed employment. Not too long after Der Fuher burst into the scene.
I always felt Hitler was seething with self loathing, his ideal of the perfect human was the complete opposite of his own physical appearance. If his ancestry proved to be of Jewish background it would just seal the last doubt for me. Freud would have a ball with something like this.
Hitler was the scourge of the earth and I am personally thankful that his ass is more rotten than all the cunts that Tiger Woods has penetrated lately.
Originally Posted by CplPunishment
Well fucking done, Cpl. Because any woman who consented to allow Tiger Woods to place his penis into her vagina is somehow comparable to fucking HITLER.
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Hitler's father was the illegitimate son of a maid and was conceived in Graz. There were no Jews living in the city at the time as they had been exiled several centuries prior. It is most likely, and most historians agree...that Johann Nepomuk Heidler, the brother of the man Alois claimed was his father, was the actual birth-father of Alois. As far as this DNA study is concerned, I notice the report was rather limited in regards to information presented as to the relatives of A.H. who were tested.
Yet know, my master, God omnipotent,
Is mustering in his clouds on our behalf
Armies of pestilence; and they shall strike
Your children yet unborn and unbegot,
That lift your vassal hands against my head
And threat the glory of my precious crown.
You would be shocked at how many medical advancements came about due to Nazism...
I'm not against Hitler, nor for.
Oh I am very aware of how people were experimented on being of German Decent. My Grandfather fled in 43 went back in 45 died with 5 duetch marks in his pocket which I am proud have 1 there of.
The medical advancements were done due to the torture and experimentation of Live Human beings. What pisses me off so bad about the Reich is that one of the Generals loved to experiment on twin children in fact he was fascinated with them sewing them together torturing them away from each other and so fourth all with the Blessing of Hitler, So don't come in here taking up for Hitler Pete he was a piece of shit and if he were standing in front of me today I would make him suffer for his sins slowly, What a piece of fucking garbage.
And they launched Western medicine forward...by decades.
I fully support torturing and experimenting on live human beings for medical research. Of course, civilians no...but criminals, yes. Most definitely.
noooooo... he was just misunderstood.
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What if the criminal was in fact innocent such as DNA proving he is not guilty of any crime and he was subjected to these medical experiments, what then?And they launched Western medicine forward...by decades.
I fully support torturing and experimenting on live human beings for medical research. Of course, civilians no...but criminals, yes. Most definitely
Its been said Hitlers real father was Jewish and denied Hitler as his son.
Who the hell cares what his ancestry was? Other than a good snicker, it doesn't seem to be good for much.
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Well, duh. Obviously DNA testing would have to be exact. Hair, skin, eggs/sperm, blood, saliva.
A man should not be judged by who his/her parents are but what he or she accomplishes or does during their lives.
A poor man whose family is totally impoverished can rise to become educated or wealth. A man whose family was decent can turn out to be a total POS.
One can go uptown or downtown the subway goes both ways!
No you need to clairify things better if you are going to involve the law. So what you are saying is the criminals who would make the cut for medical research DNA is what convinced a judge or jury beyond reasonable doubt that person is guilty?Well, duh. Obviously DNA testing would have to be exact. Hair, skin, eggs/sperm, blood, saliva
"Criminals" a DUI gives you a criminal label and a record to go with it.
Well, if I had my way...even chocolate bar thieves would be tortured. Sadly, my views are relatively uncommon.
No clarification is necessary. We should be researching, torturing and killing for not only justice and medicine...but population control.
No, I am for harsh punishment, I support waterboarding and the death penalty. Lets get real here if this is done to an innocent person the justice system has a probelm, and the justice system has enough problems to fix and make right.
As for population control, fast food seems to be taking care of that with the obesity rate getting worse everyday.
What? You support the death penalty and torturing, clearly...but don't think either are reasonable due to the probablity of innocence? Seems a tad...contradicting.
I think I'd have to support experimenting on DUI criminals. Let them find out the newest treatments for burns and broken bones...what their victims go through. Oh and pedophiles. Those two should be first in line for experiments. and it would go without saying that the subjects would be guilty beyond any doubt. It wouldn't be very nice to do it to a person who has a legitimate reason to appeal. But DUIs and child rapist/killers.....show no mercy
the future's uncertain and the end is always near...
If Hitler had stopped short of declaring war and simply been a leader to his people, he probably would have gone down in History as one of the greatest leaders ever. He dragged the german population out of one of the scariest depressions the world has ever seen and into a time of growth and economic developement. Then he had to screw it all up by starting the worst war the human race has ever seen. Course, if he hadn't started a war, we never would have known about the concentration camps and rampant killing in the name of science and medicine. Hard to call witnesses when the only ones either work for the criminal or are dead.
If ya can't laugh at yourself...guarranteed someone else will.
What? You support the death penalty and torturing, clearly...but don't think either are reasonable due to the probablity of innocence? Seems a tad...contradicting.
August 26th, 2010 10:00 PM
No, I am looking at it through the eyes of the law. If this medical research torture was passed into law, the law requires facts and elements that criminals have to meet to make he or she eligible for a punishment such as this and if the judges finds the law applies he is able to make a ruling.
Yes I did give my personal view, there is a court of law and court of public opinion. I sit in a courtroom everyday and I wish we can just throw hard criminals to the wolves, be done with them and save tax dollars. But if we want such punishment legal, gotta get it right, and the law that is given needs to be applied to those who are eligible for it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_human_experimentationExperiments on twins
Experiments on twin children in concentration camps were created to show the similarities and differences in the genetics of twins, as well as to see if the human body can be unnaturally manipulated. The central leader of the experiments was Josef Mengele, who from 1943 to 1944 performed experiments on nearly 1,500 sets of imprisoned twins at Auschwitz. Only 200 individuals survived these studies.[4] While attending University of Munich (located in the city that remained one of Adolf Hitler's focal points during the revolution) studying philosophy and medicine with an emphasis on anthropology and paleontology, Mengele stated: "this simple political concept (fascism) finally became the decisive factor in my life".[5] Mengele's new-found admiration for the "simple political concept" led him to mix his studies of medicine and politics as his career choice. Mengele received his PhD for a thesis entitled "Racial Morphological Research on the Lower Jaw Section of Four Racial Groups", which suggested that a person's race could be identified by the shape of the jaw.[6] The Nazi organization saw his studies as talents, and Mengele was transferred to the German Auschwitz concentration camp located in occupied Poland on May 30, 1943. Contrary to common belief, Mengele was not the only doctor at Auschwitz nor was he even the highest-ranking physician: SS captain Dr. Eduard Wirths was the physician in charge at Auschwitz.[7] There, Mengele organized genetic experiments on twins. The twins were arranged by age and sex and kept in barracks between experiments, which ranged from injection of different chemicals into the eyes of twins to see whether it would change their color to literally sewing twins together in attempts to create conjoined twins.[8][9]
Bone, muscle, and nerve transplantation experiments
From about September 1942 to about December 1943 experiments were conducted at the Ravensbrück concentration camp, for the benefit of the German Armed Forces, to study bone, muscle, and nerve regeneration, and bone transplantation from one person to another. Sections of bones, muscles, and nerves were removed from the subjects without use of anesthesia. As a result of these operations, many victims suffered intense agony, mutilation, and permanent disability.[10]
Freezing experiments
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/wiki/File:Dachau_cold_water_immersion.jpg/wiki/File:Dachau_cold_water_immersion.jpgA cold water immersion experiment at Dachau concentration camp presided over by Professor Ernst Holzlöhner (left) and Dr. Sigmund Rascher (right). The subject is wearing an experimental Luftwaffe garment
In 1941, the Luftwaffe conducted experiments with the intent of discovering means to prevent and treat hypothermia. One study forced subjects to endure a tank of ice water for up to five hours. Another study placed prisoners naked in the open air for several hours with temperatures as low as -6°C (21°F). Besides studying the physical effects of cold exposure, the experimenters also assessed different methods of rewarming survivors.[11]
The freezing/hypothermia experiments were conducted for the Nazi high command to simulate the conditions the armies suffered on the Eastern Front, as the German forces were ill-prepared for the cold weather they encountered. Many experiments were conducted on captured Russian troops; the Nazis wondered whether their genetics gave them superior resistance to cold. The principal locales were Dachau and Auschwitz. Dr Sigmund Rascher, an SS doctor based at Dachau, reported directly to Heinrich Himmler and publicised the results of his freezing experiments at the 1942 medical conference entitled "Medical Problems Arising from Sea and Winter".[12] Approximately 100 people are reported to have died as a result of these experiments.[13]
Malaria experiments
From about February 1942 to about April 1945, experiments were conducted at the Dachau concentration camp in order to investigate immunization for treatment of malaria. Healthy inmates were infected by mosquitoes or by injections of extracts of the mucous glands of female mosquitoes. After contracting the disease, the subjects were treated with various drugs to test their relative efficiency. Over 1,000 people were used in these experiments, and of those, more than half died as a result.[14]
Mustard gas experiments
At various times between September 1939 and April 1945, many experiments were conducted at Sachsenhausen, Natzweiler, and other camps to investigate the most effective treatment of wounds caused by mustard gas. Test subjects were deliberately exposed to mustard gas and other vesicants (e.g. Lewisite) which inflicted severe chemical burns. The victims' wounds were then tested to find the most effective treatment for the mustard gas burns.[10]
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/wiki/File:Children_of_Bullinhuser_Damm.jpg/wiki/File:Children_of_Bullinhuser_Damm.jpgChildren of the Bullenhuser Damm show incisions where axillary lymph nodes had been surgically removed after they were deliberately infected with tuberculosis at Neuengamme. In a "cover-up" operation, all were murdered with their 4 adult Jewish caretakers and 6 Red Army POWs in the basement of the school on April 20, 1945 as British forces approached
Sulfonamide experiments
From about July 1942 to about September 1943, experiments to investigate the effectiveness of sulfonamide, a synthetic antimicrobial agent, were conducted at Ravensbrück.[15] Wounds inflicted on the subjects were infected with bacteria such as Streptococcus, Clostridium perfringens (the causative agent in gas gangrene) and Clostridium tetani, the causative agent in tetanus.[16] Circulation of blood was interrupted by tying off blood vessels at both ends of the wound to create a condition similar to that of a battlefield wound. Infection was aggravated by forcing wood shavings and ground glass into the wounds. The infection was treated with sulfonamide and other drugs to determine their effectiveness.
Sea water experiments
From about July 1944 to about September 1944, experiments were conducted at the Dachau concentration camp to study various methods of making sea water drinkable. At one point, a group of roughly 90 Roma were deprived of food and given nothing but sea water to drink by Dr. Hans Eppinger, leaving them gravely injured.[12] They were so dehydrated that others observed them licking freshly mopped floors in an attempt to get drinkable water.[17]
Sterilization experiments
From about March 1941 to about January 1945, sterilization experiments were conducted at Auschwitz, Ravensbrück, and other places by Dr. Carl Clauberg.[10] The purpose of these experiments was to develop a method of sterilization which would be suitable for sterilizing millions of people with a minimum of time and effort. These experiments were conducted by means of X-ray, surgery and various drugs. Thousands of victims were sterilized. Aside from its experimentation, the Nazi government sterilized around 400,000 individuals as part of its compulsory sterilization program.[18] Intravenous injections of solutions speculated to contain iodine and silver nitrate were successful, but had unwanted side effects such as vaginal bleeding, severe abdominal pain, and cervical cancer.[19] Therefore, radiation treatment became the favored choice of sterilization. Specific amounts of exposure to radiation destroyed a person’s ability to produce ova or sperm. The radiation was administered through deception. Prisoners were brought into a room and asked to complete forms, which took two to three minutes. In this time, the radiation treatment was administered and, unknown to the prisoners, they were rendered completely sterile. Many suffered severe radiation burns.[20]
Experiments with poison
In or around December 1943 and October 1944, experiments were conducted at Buchenwald to investigate the effect of various poisons. The poisons were secretly administered to experimental subjects in their food. The victims died as a result of the poison or were killed immediately in order to permit autopsies. In September 1944, experimental subjects were shot with poisonous bullets, suffered torture and often died.[10]
Incendiary bomb experiments
From around November 1943 through to circa January 1944, experiments were conducted at Buchenwald to test the effect of various pharmaceutical preparations on phosphorus burns. These burns were inflicted on prisoners using phosphorus material extracted from incendiary bombs.[10]
High altitude experiments
Further information: Hubertus Strughold
In early 1942, prisoners at Dachau concentration camp were used by Rascher in experiments to aid German pilots who had to eject high altitudes. A low-pressure chamber containing these prisoners was used to simulate conditions at altitudes of up to 20,000 m (66,000 ft). It was rumored that Rascher performed vivisections on the brains of victims who survived the initial experiment.[21] Of the 200 subjects, 80 died outright, and the others were executed.[12]
Aftermath
Many of the subjects died as a result of the experiments conducted by the Nazis, while many others were murdered after the tests were completed to study the effect post mortem.[22] Those who survived were often left mutilated, suffering permanent disability, weakened bodies, and mental distress.[12][23] On August 19, 1947, the doctors captured by Allied forces were put on trial in USA vs. Karl Brandt et al., which is commonly known as the Doctors' Trial. At the trial, several of the doctors argued in their defense that there was no international law regarding medical experimentation.
The issue of informed consent had previously been controversial in German medicine in 1900, when Dr. Albert Neisser infected patients (mainly prostitutes) with syphilis without their consent. Despite Neisser's support from most of the academic community, public opinion, led by psychiatrist Albert Moll, was against Neisser. While Neisser went on to be fined by the Royal Disciplinary Court, Moll developed "a legally based, positivistic contract theory of the patient-doctor relationship" that was not adopted into German law.[24] Eventually, the minister for religious, educational, and medical affairs issued a directive stating that medical interventions other than for diagnosis, healing, and immunization were excluded under all circumstances if "the human subject was a minor or not competent for other reasons" or if the subject had not given his or her "unambiguous consent" after a "proper explanation of the possible negative consequences" of the intervention, though this was not legally binding.[24]
In response, Drs. Leo Alexander and Andrew Conway Ivy drafted a ten point memorandum entitled Permissible Medical Experiment that went on to be known as the Nuremberg Code.[25] The code calls for such standards as voluntary consent of patients, avoidance of unnecessary pain and suffering, and that there must be a belief that the experimentation will not end in death or disability.[26] The Code was not cited in any of the findings against the defendants and never made it into either German or American medical law.
Modern ethical issues
Contemporary knowledge concerning the manner in which the human body reacts to freezing is based almost exclusively on these Nazi experiments. This, together with the recent use of data from Nazi research into the effects of phosgene gas, has proven controversial and presents an ethical dilemma for modern physicians who do not agree with the methods used to obtain this data.[17] Similarly, controversy has arisen from the use of results of biological warfare testing done by the Imperial Japanese Army's Unit 731.[27] However, the results from Unit 731 were kept classified by the United States and the majority of doctors involved were given pardons.[28]
Last edited by CplPunishment; August 27th, 2010 at 09:02 AM.
Doctor Mengele, was a Hauptsturmführer, the SS rank equivalent to a Captain within the U.S. or British armed forces. Dr. Mengele was a very minor figure in the Third Reich and it is almost impossible to imagine that Adolf Hitler had any idea of his existence.
Yet know, my master, God omnipotent,
Is mustering in his clouds on our behalf
Armies of pestilence; and they shall strike
Your children yet unborn and unbegot,
That lift your vassal hands against my head
And threat the glory of my precious crown.
He was fucking Hitlers Bitch plain and simple Pete. He was a sadistic ruthless bastard worse than any baby killer that has ever been posted on the net during this decade regardless of his rank. Mengele was given free rain over a concentration camp and he had Hitlers blessing because they were trying to make a master race in the name scientific experimentation on hundreds of thousands of men women and children. A million times worse than todays baby killer with the blessing of the German Government.
What a demented point of view you have for taking up for Hitler and Mengele, Your Mother Must Be Proud!
Last edited by CplPunishment; August 27th, 2010 at 10:07 PM.
I hate to admit it but honestly I truly believe if the rest of the Axis (Italy & Japan) had slowed down half of us wouldn't be here and rest would be speaking German.
The thought sends shivers down my spine actually
I don't believe it was the war that stopped him but his Allies. most of central Europe it seems were over came before they knew what hit 'em. many held his same beliefs that have been raging since the stone age (chronicled during many huge events...they often used the Jewish communities as scape goats) and quickly adopted fascism.
I did allot of independent research on the 2 great wars and my personal opinion I don't believe Hitler was so much a great leader as he was a fairly smart opportunist.
After The Treaty of Versailles Germany and Austria-Hungary was turning on it's self in every way, besides economically, one of the most consequential area's for despair for the people of those country's was their decimated pride having to except responsibility for all of world war 1's destruction.
Hitler came to them at the right time when Germany needed have pride in something, anything. They were angry, broke and starving, the people needed focus and a scapegoat. Hitler provided both.
If someone with integrity would have stepped up to the mantel during this time instead of a educated thug (with some self-loathing issues) our world probably would be quite a different place right now with allot more wonderful people in it.
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To deny the ramifications of the shit that came out of the Hitler regime (medical, economic, etc. and otherwise) is like puttting blinders on. I would NEVER advocate his tactics BUT the study of those tactics has been almost invaluable. Sucks hind titty, doesn't it?
As Rune intimated, if Hitler had NOT been responsible/blamed for so many atrocities, history would have viewed him far differently.
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Well....the good doctor did cure me of a rather difficult case of gall stones back in '42. As for my mother, I am fairly certain that she killed herself some time ago. She never did attend any of my rugby matches.What a demented point of view you have for taking up for Hitler and Mengele, Your Mother Must Be Proud!
Yet know, my master, God omnipotent,
Is mustering in his clouds on our behalf
Armies of pestilence; and they shall strike
Your children yet unborn and unbegot,
That lift your vassal hands against my head
And threat the glory of my precious crown.
I meant to reply this before my history lesson post, I have to agree with you. Hitler was pretty preoccupied with the war to know who was who in the extermination camps especially those in occupied countries such as Poland.
I'm sure as far as that aspect goes he hardly cared who was doing it as long as it was being done.
Sorry to hear that Pete.
"Attention! Harken to my voice!"
"An insidious cult is intent on controlling your actions. I command you to avoid it at all costs! That is all."
~ My Principal, Onyx Blackman
She knew what she was getting into.
Yet know, my master, God omnipotent,
Is mustering in his clouds on our behalf
Armies of pestilence; and they shall strike
Your children yet unborn and unbegot,
That lift your vassal hands against my head
And threat the glory of my precious crown.
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