A little refresher on Cindy ..
Originally posted September 18th ..
Cindy Anthony's Myspace Entry Reveals Risk Factor for Child Abuse
I so hate this Defense... they are a total waste. Let's get on with the trial.. Oh I mean the circus. I'm so sad to say that. Do you realize Caylee will never get to go to the circus. "Maybie" Cindy/George will carry the little bear with her ashes in it to court because that is the closest she will ever get to a circus. That child didn't stand a chance and this wasn't the first case of abuse and neglect and apathy by those around her in her life
Here's a post from WS, a poster who searched for Caylee.
She was one of the TES searchers who were called by the defense.
It took a few seconds for my mind to comprehend who is really was. I of course heard Casey Anthony and defense team, but it took a bit to get that it was Defense not the other side. The guy asked if I searched, on what day and where. Did I do it with TES or on my own. What did I see ect. So from my answers he said he was allowed to ask me more questions. He said they might be calling back. I have no info that would help them as I did not see anyone searching that area or did I see any orange flags that someone had been there. I know the area and it is like a bowl if Tim Miller says it was full of water it was. Just so shocked that I got a call.
My brother said I should have said I am not saying anything get a court order to make me. It happened so fast, and really I would not say that I can't help thier side.
Documents Could Damage Casey Anthony Defense
Posted: 5:08 pm EDT October 5, 2010Updated: 6:25 pm EDT October 5, 2010
ORLANDO, Fla. -- There's a new blow to the defense in the case against Casey Anthony. Documents uncovered by WFTV raise questions about a key defense witness.
DOCUMENTS: EquuSearch Records Contradict Witness Story http://www.wftv.com/pdf/25290953/detail.html
VIDEO REPORT: Docs Released In Casey Case http://www.wftv.com/video/25291607/index.html
This is a post from WS......looks to me like they are over stepping the regulations set forth:
The Defense must follow an agreed upon script.
borrowed from Think Tank
Joint Stipulation and Order Regarding Defense Review of TES Documents
released Sept 14, 2010
signed Sept 9, 2010
only signed by Mason (not Baez)
C. That the Defense shall be permitted to have its representative(s) conduct a review of all searcher files. Any individuals who are contained in the various searcher files may be permitted to be telephoned but only in front of the TES representative, its counsel and the Magistrate, for the sole purpose of asking the searcher:
Were you involved in any search, involving or not involving TES, in the Suburban Drive area? If the answer is in the negative, then no further questions will be asked and the call terminated. If the answer is in the positive, then the following questions will be permitted to be asked:
1. If such a search occurred, when did the search occur,
2. If such a search occurred, was it a part of TES or done independently,
3. If such a search occurred, who was involved in the search with them,
4. If such a search occurred, an inquiry would be made as to what was observed and what occurred during the search at or near the Suburban Drive area.
D. In the event after the above questions are asked, the Defense determines that further investigation or questioning is appropriate, then the search field activity form of the identified searcher shall be released to the Defense so they may conduct their further investigation as they may deem appropriate.
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Tiko44, I am not sure which search they were questioning.....but now that I have had time to think on the phone call some......what nerve....asking about my minor children...they could see the birthdate posted on the app.......I did tell them that they were both minors, and that they could NOT speak with them.....heck, they didn't even go on a search...they helped at the command center......and when I told them that I could not tell them where I searched, to ask my team leader...they wanted me to describe what the area looked like that I searched......such as....was it a dead end street across from a school, was there any water visable?.....stupid people!! MO
This is a message from Mark Nejame: It seems he and his office have gotten numerous calls and emails from TES searchers who have been called. As I understand it some of these calls have been from private cell phones and the searchers are now concerned that the defense has their number in the cell phones memory. Some have felt their concerns were being trivialized by Mr. Nejame......this is in response to those concerns.
We've spent endless hours working through this, so trivializing we're not. It's been the whole basis of our objections is to protect the searchers. However, our position cannot be trivialized by them...Judge Perry was absolutely leaning towards allowing them more access...my belief is so that they wouldn't have a basis for appeal or a new trial. Reading that, we designed a compromise that would gut that issue for the defense but still provide anonymity to the searchers. People may complain, but no names have been made public. The last thing the searchers would want is for Casey to have an appeal granted when/if convicted and the appellate court rule that the files are to be made completely available and accessible. We've effectively stopped that. Thanks once again and feel free to keep getting the word out. Remember, multiple TES volunteers are in the room, monitoring all calls and all this is overseen by the Magistrate the entire time.
Casey Anthony's defense to ask for more time to review Texas EquuSearch documents
Last Updated: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 4:08 PM
ORANGE COUNTY --
Casey Anthony's defense team will ask a judge for more time to review documents with Texas EquuSearch and look for potential witnesses.
Monday and Tuesday the defense called volunteers looking for anyone who might have been in the area months prior to where Caylee Anthony's remains were eventually found.
At the watchful eye of an appointed magistrate, the defense called hundreds of volunteers and said they found about 150 people who said they were in the Suburban Drive area.
But, Texas EquuSearch has thousands of volunteers and the defense said they need more time to contact people.
All the new potential witnesses will receive a follow up call with an investigator to talk about a specific location on Suburban Drive.
(this was posted at WS and is from LB's myspace.)
picture of Laura B.;
Air science may be used for first time ever in Anthony case (long post)
By Anthony Colarossi, Orlando Sentinel
7:31 p.m. EDT, October 8, 2010
The science resembles something you might expect to see on television's "CSI": odor and air samples originating from the trunk of a vehicle being used to prove a child's body decomposed inside.
But life, death, science and the unsavory business of prosecuting child slayings are rarely as clear-cut as they are portrayed on television. Nothing about the advanced testing on Casey Anthony's Pontiac Sunfire provides a conclusive answer about whether her 2-year-old daughter Caylee Marie's lifeless body was in that vehicle.
But the testing done in this case by a group of scientists in Tennessee shows an emerging science that could be used in a courtroom for the first time ever in the case against Casey Anthony.
The science identifies the chemical compounds associated with the decomposition of human bodies. The researchers from Oak Ridge National Laboratory, led by Dr. Arpad Vass, expressed caution in their final, 18-page, April 2009 forensic report to Orange County detectives. Their battery of tests produced "correlations" indicating "a portion of the total odor signature identified in [Anthony's Pontiac] is consistent with an early decompositional event that could be of human origin."
In other words, a dead and newly decomposing human body may have been in the trunk.
Vass and his colleagues are important witnesses in this case and would not comment for this story, but the odor-analysis work is spelled out in great technical detail in their report and earlier published articles on decomposing buried human remains.
The same elements that make this evidence novel and perhaps groundbreaking also make it potentially vulnerable to legal challenges aimed at keeping it out of Anthony's trial in May. This evidence has never been used before in a U.S. court of law, according to those most familiar with the case.
Last month, Casey Anthony's defense team recruited Dorothy Clay Sims, an Ocala attorney specializing in cross-examinations of medical-expert witnesses. She has vowed to attack any "junk science" brought into this case, especially science lacking established standards and error rates. A hearing on whether the evidence should be admitted is expected to come as the trial date nears.
Dr. Thomas Bruno, with the National Institute of Standards and Technology in Boulder, Colo., is familiar with Vass' work, has done somewhat similar research involving decomposing rats and has read the report in the Casey Anthony case.
"I certainly don't think what he's doing is junk science," Bruno said. "But it might not be ready for the courtroom yet."
Ultimately, that will be an issue for the lawyers to argue and for Chief Judge Belvin Perry to decide.
In a case now brimming with legal brainpower, the prosecution may have an interesting advantage here: Jeff Ashton. The veteran assistant state attorney helped successfully get DNA findings introduced in a 1987 Orange County rape case.
It was the first time that evidence was ever presented in a U.S. courtroom. Introducing the evidence here all those years ago brought national media attention and, ultimately, broad awareness of a science now used to prove guilt and also exonerate those wrongly accused.
"We realized how amazing this tool would be in solving cases," Ashton said.
Used to find burials
The odor-analysis science is vastly different from DNA in methodology and purpose. It was developed primarily as a way to help with identifying clandestine burials, but now it's being used in the case against the 24-year-old charged with first-degree murder in her daughter's 2008 death.
From the prosecution's standpoint, it reinforces the now-famous statement from Cindy Anthony, Casey's mother, who said during a 911 call in mid-July 2008, "I found my daughter's car today, and it smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car."
In July, Judge Perry ruled the jury in this case will get to hear those comments.
Caylee Anthony's remains were found in a heavily wooded area months after she was reported missing, but the prosecution's theory places the body initially in the trunk of her mother's car.
To help prove this, the Oak Ridge researchers took a sample of carpeting from the Pontiac, placed it in a sealed can and sent air from it into a gas chromatograph/mass spectrometer, a device commonly used in forensics to draw and identify substances from a test sample.
Initially, they found few compounds, primarily chloroform, so they had to concentrate the sample to "increase the sensitivity for lower abundance compounds."
The presence of chloroform traces in the trunk has been long considered evidence supporting the state's case. Often depicted in movies as a chemical used to make someone unconscious, chloroform can also kill if too much is inhaled.
To concentrate their sample, scientists used a technique called "cryogenic trapping," essentially using nitrogen to cool and condense the organic compounds. Heating then vaporized the condensed compounds.
They also tested other items, including trunk-carpet sections from two other Pontiac Sunfires and a piece of decomposing pizza — after early reports indicated pizza had been left in the Anthony vehicle. They even tested samples from a case in Montana in which a 3-year-old was "wrapped in a blanket and allowed to decompose over a three month period in the trunk of a car," the report states.
When they were finished, the researchers found 51 chemicals from the Casey Anthony trunk-carpet sample.
But they eventually identified seven as "significant human decompositional chemicals," and five were used to draw their conclusions.
Chloroform was singled out because of the quantities found. Levels in the carpet sample were determined to be "in the low parts per million range." Typically, the reported noted, adult human decomposition "yields in the low parts per trillion range."
Beyond the chloroform, they found four other chemicals that appear early on in human decompositions.
Vass and others at Oak Ridge have studied this science for years. In an earlier published report on odor analysis, they argue a better understanding of the "chemistry of human decay processes in shallow burial sites" may lead to equipment used in the field to locate such "clandestine" sites.
'I think it's important'
Some suggest that the evidence has lost some significance since the discovery of Caylee's remains. And the prosecution says it confirms or supports other evidence indicating a body was placed in the car.
Bruno, the NIST scientist, says, "This evidence might have lost some significance, but not much. It ties the body to the car. I think it's important."
Still, he said the research may not be ready as legal evidence without further assessing the uncertainty that goes along with any scientific measurement.
As with any good research, Vass and the other authors qualified their report in the Casey Anthony case, stating the results "still do not rule out the remote possibility that an unusual variety of products or materials (not present in the trunk at the time of vehicle discovery) may have had some contribution to the overall chemical signature."
Bruno insists that the scientist's job is making accurate measurements and observations. How those play out in court, he said, is largely up to others.
"Our job is not the truth," Bruno said. "The truth is somebody else's job."
Anthony Colarossi can be reached at firstname.lastname@example.org or 407-420-5447.
How's your Saturday going???
Laura B. is supposedly the TS Leader, who said Joe Jordan was on her search team that searched the area Caylee was found in and there was no water there at the time and Caylee was not there. Now they are saying she may have falsified records and she is a big fat liar. Also she claimed at one point she was of friend of Cinner's. I think she may be a defense witness also. Hope this helps.
(myra, O/T - I haven't been watching about the Mexican Lake saga, was too busy watching the pillbillies of Satsuma,,I'll check it out though)
Thanks for clearing that up, groovy ..
Saturday is good so far ..
I still crack up @ this picture comparison ..
Happy Sunday! I was looking up the meaning of a dream that I have had several times and ran across this:
To see Christ in your dream, represents perfection of the self and spiritual truth. You need to achieve self-fulfillment through love. This symbol has many personal associations for you, depending on your belief.
It made me think of that dream that Rosebud claimed to have had when she was writing to Felon Anthony. I hope you all are having a great day!
I would have written of me on my stone: I had a lover's quarrel with the world" ~R. Frost
Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh, and the greatness which does not bow before children. ~Kahlil Gibran
Just a quick question... What date does the Defense have to have their final witness list into the prosecution. I know it can be amended based on "new" discovery. However, if something is out there already. and if it involved someone they would have to be named in the Defense witness list. Who knows the deadline please for Jose Baez..... on this?
Thanks in Advance!
Hello Demons! I'm back from my first cruise. Mom and I had big, big fun and I am having a hard time dealing with reality. Thanks for all the hard work you guys have been doing to keep the board going. Now I have to go back and catch up. I guess dealing with reality can wait a litle bit longer!
welcome Back Sin, I am glad you had a great time.
Say what you mean..Mean what you say or STFU!!
Welcome home, Sinny ..
I'm glad to see you back with us ..