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    Jose & Karen Pacheco put some spice into child punishment

    A family is sentenced to jail time for abusing their kids in a way that a detective with the Madison County Sheriff's office calls it the worst case of child abuse he's ever been involved with.

    The court played a 20 minute videotape shot by the step father where the family makes fun of a boy while he is forced to eat a spicy sauce so hot it can cause injury when taken in large quantities. The hot sauce was used as a punishment.

    The parents force fed their child Gold Caps World's Hottest Sauce and it's 35 times hotter than Tabasco sauce. All 3 defendants pled guilty to child abuse.
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    68-year-old Rose Bemis, the grandmother, will spend 3 days in jail.
    The mother, Karen Kathleen Pacheco, will spend 6 days in jail.
    And the stepfather, Jose Leal Pacheco, will spend 13 days in jail.

    All 3 already spent 2 days in jail upon the initial arrest.

    "There was something that was not right!" exclaimed the daughter of Bemis.

    "Exactly, I've lived in that house, there was no abuse. They got sha..." agreed another woman, who was cut off by the first woman.

    The 20 minute video played in the courtroom has not been released by the prosecutor yet. In it the parents deny water to a child, despite multiple requests. The child says "It burns." "Can I be excused." "It hurts too much." But he wasn't excused until he ate a bowl of food that the prosecution contends had lots of hot sauce in it. This is something that the defense never makes a point of denying.

    "I think it was outrageous, as you saw in the video the parents laughed, belittled, made fun of, showed no care or concern in my opinion," said Wood.

    The Judge in his verdict said the defendants were guilty of torture.

    This investigation started when a resource officer at Madison Junior High noticed signs of abuse including bruises and even markings on the child's face that appeared to be burns.

    "Something needed to be done. He obviously very graphically and very vividly told me what had happened to him and his brothers over the years. I wouldn't wish this, the things these kids went through on anybody. It was horrendous what they went through. The stories that have been told to me are heart wrenching," said Wood.

    Detective Wood says it wasn't the hot sauce that was the worst abuse, but, he says, it was bad enough.
    [...]

    The manufacturer of the hot sauce was destroyed when Katrina hit New Orleans, so you'd be hard pressed to find a bottle of it any more.

    The 3 children who were abused were removed from the home immediately and placed in foster care. A 4th child, who is the biological son of both parents, is still living with them.

    The father is serving his time first, then the mother will, so a parent will be home with the child.
    http://www.kidk.com/news/local/91762379.html
    Gold Cap
    "Made with imported African Capsicum extract rated at one million scoville heat units. Gold Cap has absolutely NO CHEMICAL FLAVOR. Used in very small quantities by many world famous New Orleans chefs to achieve that genuine flavor in their regional specialties. Comes packaged with it's own working fire extinguisher...YOU'RE GOING TO NEED IT!!!"
    http://www.scottrobertsweb.com/scoville-scale.php

    A jalapeño is about 3,000-4,000 scoville heat units.
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    What is wrong with people these days that they think it is so funny to watch a child in pain begging for relief?It is disgusting.Lets spoonfeed these MF's wasabe sauce for 30 minutes and deny them water

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    When I was a kid, my aunt Cynthia (who we used to call the Wicked Witch of the East) would stay with us when visiting from MD. Once, she placed cayenne pepper on my tongue and made me hold it for a minute or so for "talking back" to her (I wasn't much for back-talk, so this was debatable). When my parents found out, my dad told her he'd pop her head off if she ever disciplined me like that again.

    Now, had she been mocking and teasing me during that time, she might not have made her flight home, if you know what I mean. How these people found their behavior to be reasonable or appropriate is entirely beyond me.
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    I wonder why the 4th child is still there?

    And what the kids did to get in trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mystery View Post
    What is wrong with people these days that they think it is so funny to watch a child in pain begging for relief?It is disgusting.Lets spoonfeed these MF's wasabe sauce for 30 minutes and deny them water
    I love wasabi so that wouldn't work if I was the kid. Actually, wasabi would be a poor choice. It's "burn" does not last as long as that of a pepper because it's a different type of chemical reaction that from peppers.

    After reading this and this, I (and most people) probably have never eaten real wasabi. It's supposedly not as hot as the stuff that is passed off as wasabi.

    Pepper sauce works as a great deterrent for a rottweiler pup that wants to gnaw furniture but, just like humans, they acclimate to it and can later tolerate it. That sucks but my new furniture is nice. :) (We didn't feed the puppy sauce, we painted the furniture legs.)
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    That shit is cruel. should be able to shove a habanero chile up their asses.
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    The child says "It burns." "Can I be excused." "It hurts too much." But he wasn't excused until he ate a bowl of food
    This makes me want to cry. Even in pain and his mouth on fire, he was still minding his manners

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    My ex-husbands 3 year old has been asking for hot sauce on his food since he was 1. He is a strange child. It's not like it is part of their culture or regular diet like some kids grow up. He just likes it.

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    My daughter, when she was first learning to eat, liked hot things and sour things. It didn't last past about 18 months, though.

    Yeah, that kid minded his manners because his parents are psychos and would have punished him more. I'd hazard a guess that the pepper sauce punishment was some social infraction (as Athena experienced when she was with her aunt), he said something foul or didn't use the proper amount of respect or something. It probably comes out in the tape, anyway. This type of punishment seems to appeal to folks in the same way as the soap in the mouth idea.

    I'm starting to get fed up with the reporters always quoting someone saying, "It's the worst case of child abuse we've ever seen." I think someone always says this. But this one -- either the reporter could have placed it better, or should have considered the source a little more before running it. (I mean, was this detective new to the team?) I would have to believe the other abuse the children suffered was probably worse than the hot sauce, but the quote seems to imply that the hot sauce was the worst. And the adult defendants only got days -- so what's going on? If they only deserved days, and they get to keep one of the kids (for now?), and the court worked with them so the child would always have one of them home -- how bad could the abuse have been? Is it a seriously messed up jurisdiction? Or some sensational reporting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tundratot View Post
    I'm starting to get fed up with the reporters always quoting someone saying, "It's the worst case of child abuse we've ever seen." I think someone always says this. But this one -- either the reporter could have placed it better, or should have considered the source a little more before running it.
    I didn't take it to mean just the hot sauce incident. The media is focused on that, but the police, lawyers, and court saw the whole extent. In fact, the detective went on to say:
    "He obviously very graphically and very vividly told me what had happened to him and his brothers over the years. I wouldn't wish this, the things these kids went through on anybody. It was horrendous what they went through. The stories that have been told to me are heart wrenching."
    As for the sentence, it's a joke. Verbal and mental abuse can break a child just as seriously as a blow... and be harder to recover from. The hot sauce video is just the tip of an iceburg. The reported facial burns and bruises didn't come from hot sauce.
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    Do you think the sentencing referred only to the hot sauce incident? Will they go back and charge or try the bruising and such later? With a sentence of just days, I'm worried these dungeon masters will get the kids back. I don't think they should even have the one if someone can really say it's the worst they've ever seen.

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    I am clueless on that sentence. It seems mostly like a "why bother" to me. I worry about the kids. It is weird that they left one kid. Maybe the father of the older kids is trying to get them back? One can hope. Obviously the mom's family thinks the shitparents are just fine and can't be counted on if there is future abuse.
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    I can contribute a similar story from my childhood that may be a different light on the issue.

    When I was a child, and we would go out to restaurants, it was tough to keep everyone entertained. So, my father would offer me money (between $1 and $5) to eat a handful of red peppers, or jalapeños, or similar hot food, then go X number of minutes before I could have a cold beverage.

    I can see where some would consider it abuse, but I consented to it, and I got my money. It hurt, but I thought it was funny, and still would.
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    Children have died from being forced to eat peppers, or other capsicum products.
    While I do understand that many of us *do luvs our spicy foods*, even as children, care should be taken when allowing the young to indulge in the scoville flavorings.
    This was not punishment, in as much as it was torture that the parents delighted in filming for their own reviewing enjoyment.

    I have a bag of dried peppers from Asia, and it's labeled "Poison! Do Not Eat!", as these peppers are to be used as a rub only, then discarded (approx 1 mill scoville unites per pepper).
    Even as a rub, they are "Hell hole hot", and the food rubbed is for the bravest of the brave to taste - we use the rubbed meats for appetizers and other small "finger foods", as it would not be prudent for anyone to ingest a large amount as a main dish.

    I have an 8oz bag, of dried and halved chilies, and I'd love to see these parents each eat 4 oz, chewing one pepper at a time (I predict no need for pepper suppositories, nature will suffice), while being filmed and teased by a room full of onlookers.

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    I am inviting myself to Siobhan's next soirée. I love a cook that knows how to use a pepper... flavor and heat but no death to taste buds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dakota Valkyrie View Post
    I am inviting myself to Siobhan's next soirée. I love a cook that knows how to use a pepper... flavor and heat but no death to taste buds.
    Wish I could do it. Love spicy food, but my stomach acid revolts against it now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twisted View Post
    I can contribute a similar story from my childhood that may be a different light on the issue.

    When I was a child, and we would go out to restaurants, it was tough to keep everyone entertained. So, my father would offer me money (between $1 and $5) to eat a handful of red peppers, or jalapeños, or similar hot food, then go X number of minutes before I could have a cold beverage.

    I can see where some would consider it abuse, but I consented to it, and I got my money. It hurt, but I thought it was funny, and still would.
    Lol! My brother and I still do this as adults, and the first one to drink or hiccup loses the bet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siobhan View Post
    Lol! My brother and I still do this as adults, and the first one to drink or hiccup loses the bet.
    LOL I have the feeling I'd lose that bet these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Athena View Post
    When I was a kid, my aunt Cynthia (who we used to call the Wicked Witch of the East) would stay with us when visiting from MD. Once, she placed cayenne pepper on my tongue and made me hold it for a minute or so for "talking back" to her (I wasn't much for back-talk, so this was debatable). When my parents found out, my dad told her he'd pop her head off if she ever disciplined me like that again.

    Now, had she been mocking and teasing me during that time, she might not have made her flight home, if you know what I mean. How these people found their behavior to be reasonable or appropriate is entirely beyond me.
    Your father showed amazing restraint, IMO.
    Had you been my daughter, the WWotE would have required special assistance to enter and exit her plane seat, with her broom being up her ass sideways and all...

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