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    Quote Originally Posted by silvahalo68 View Post
    I agree completely. When adopting a child, especially one that is older, you gotta know even with minimal abuse/neglect they've endured, there WILL be issues. I do agree that if disclosures on the child's mental/emotional state were not fully disclosed, that's a problem and the adoptive family has a right to be upset. AND if the child is displaying extreme psychological problems he needs help.

    That said, I am embarrassed that this woman decided to handle problems in such a way that completely devalues this child and put him in harms way by sending him off to travel alone. Does she think she adopted an animal and can send him packing with a note attached and all is good and done? People who choose to adopt should keep in mind it makes you a parent and with that, responsible for that child like any other parent. It's not a fashion statement or a way to boost one's ego, this is a child we are talking about and his very well being. Deplorable, really sad what this woman did, but I do think Russia should reconsider the freezing on adoptions by American folks If they were taking care of their own to begin with far less need there would be for these children to be adopted out. I would venture to say far more good has come from American's adopting children than harm. Now, I'm not saying one child shafted is acceptable 'cause I don't look at statistics that way, just saying Russia AND America could come together and work threw the problems instead of ending the possibility of a child finding a good life in the states.

    Little Justin looks scared and if his only problem is that he's strong willed/stubborn, good for him. He'll need it to survive in this crazy world. I hope he is placed in a loving home and given help for any issues he may have. They should tell him the family wasn't good enough for him, not the other way around.
    he looks terrified and who wouldnt be

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    [...]
    On Saturday, Torry and Nancy Hansen remained silent. They live side by side here, in modular homes with vinyl siding, connected by a wide white fence. Each had a car in front on Saturday, but neither answered the doors when reporters began knocking at 8:30 a.m. In the late afternoon, the shades were still drawn.

    On the stoop of Torry’s home, muddy sandals sat beside a toy missile — perhaps a favorite plaything suddenly left behind.

    Messages left for the Hansens’ lawyer were not returned, and the county sheriff’s office said it would have nothing to say until next week.

    Their neighbors’ sympathies seemed to be with the boy. Mr. Bailey said he used to see him playing outside, riding a bicycle, running around with another boy around the same age. “It was typical kid stuff,” he said. He added that a wave and a quick hello were as close as he got to knowing the family.

    Several other neighbors said the Hansens seemed somewhat disconnected from the community. The boy appeared to be home-schooled and the family did not go to the churches close by. It was hard to relate when so few details were known, they said, but even if Justin threatened violence, as the Hansens claimed, residents said he should have been dealt with here, not shipped home like a faulty product.

    Some here said they were glad the Hansens seemed to be outsiders, or at least newer arrivals — it helped some of the longtime residents disconnect from the satellite trucks and reporters, many of them representing foreign media, that had descended on their neighborhood.
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    Adoption experts generally agreed that an abrupt return was cause for concern. The adoption agency that worked with the Hansens, Wacap, the main office of which is in Renton, Wash., released a statement on Friday that said in the 1 percent of adoptions that do not work out, the agency focused on moving the child to a new family, not returning the child. It was unclear whether the Hansens had asked Wacap for assistance.

    But, Adam Pertman, executive director of Evan B. Donaldson Adoption Institute, said the Hansens had a responsibility to seek help. He acknowledged that adoptive parents often have incomplete histories for the children they bring into their homes. And he said that for children like Justin, born Artyom Savelyev and raised in a Russian orphanage for much of his early life, the challenges can be immense.

    Institutionalized children in particular tend to act out, he said, with the worst cases involving verbal abuse or children striking parents with heavy objects. “Kids who are beaten and neglected in foster care; kids whose parents drank heavily when they were pregnant; kids with severe disorders — they can cause real disruptions in a family,” Mr. Pertman said.

    “You need help if you’re having problems,” he said. “There is this weird lingering myth that love will conquer all. Guess what, it doesn’t in biological families and it doesn’t in adopted families.”
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    Weirdness?? Just a totally strange article...
    On Saturday, neighbors who live beside the women in Bedford County said the family kept to themselves and hardly anyone knew them, but the women did hold weekly yard sales.

    Chelby Clark said she even went to a yard sale at the Hansen’s home last week. “The kids may have been running around,” she said.

    On Saturday, several long tables were still sitting in the front yard of the Hansen's homes off Highway 41 in El Bethel.

    Clark said their sale last week centered around kids' items. She recalled seeing “mainly, a bunch of kids' clothes, toys, car seats and stuff.”

    Clark spoke to the women about a car seat. “I asked one lady if she could bring down a price and then she turned around and asked an older lady the same question. The older lady said she said she'd take it down by a couple of dollars,” Clark said.

    She didn't notice anything unusual, “But I guess they were just too themselves more,” Clark said.

    According to neighbors, yard sales are a common sight at the Hansen's homes.

    Angeline Bailey said “they usually they had two a week.”
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    About a year ago, Bailey said “They wanted to put a restaurant over there at the house next to the church.”

    Just about a month ago, Bailey said one of the women brought her a dozen roses.

    She said, “It was surprising to me. She was real nice, but she said 'I don't like it up here.' I said 'Are you going back?' She said 'I don't know, I've been thinking about it.'”

    The whole ordeal is puzzling and shocking to the quiet town.
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    A good friend of mine adopted 2 children from social services. A boy of 4 and a girl of 3. It was here in Oregon, but the kids had been terribly neglected. Their birth mom was a hooker, and turned tricks in front of the kids, left them alone for days at a time. So they had numerous emotional problems, especially the boy. He would poop in his toybox, beat his sister, break things. He broke their big screen TV once because he couldn't have a 3rd fruit snack. He was also very sexually forward and couldn't be left alone with younger girls. Ironically my friend got pregnant almost immediately after adopting these kids, so she dealt with all this on top of her first pregnancy.

    She never once considered sending them back. She even adopted another baby the bio mom had at birth so the siblings wouldn't be split up. She knew that children that had been taken from their parents were going to have problems. She researched, she learned. This woman should have done just a little of the same.

    Also, my friend had another baby less than a year later. Infertile for 15 years so she adopts. Gets pregnant, adopts another baby (newborn) while 8 months pregnant, then has another of her own 11 months later. So in the end she had a 5 year old, a 4 year old, 2 1 year olds and an newborn. And still didn't send one of them back. That is a parent.
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    She never once considered sending them back. She even adopted another baby the bio mom had at birth so the siblings wouldn't be split up. She knew that children that had been taken from their parents were going to have problems. She researched, she learned. This woman should have done just a little of the same.

    Also, my friend had another baby less than a year later. Infertile for 15 years so she adopts. Gets pregnant, adopts another baby (newborn) while 8 months pregnant, then has another of her own 11 months later. So in the end she had a 5 year old, a 4 year old, 2 1 year olds and an newborn. And still didn't send one of them back. That is a parent.
    Nell, your friend is an amazing woman who deserves all the blessings she has been given. She has given these kids a real family and the love that goes w/ that. She is an inspiration and many folks in the stories on here could learn so much from her!!

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    Russian family offers to take in boy
    MOSCOW (AP) — A Russian children's rights official says three families have come forward and asked to adopt a boy who was sent back to his native Russia by his adoptive American family.
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    The family put the boy on a plane by himself and sent him back to Russia.
    Now, outraged officials in that country are calling for a halt to adoptions by Americans, and authorities are investigating.

    Nancy Hansen says her daughter -- a 33-year-old unmarried nurse -- only wanted to have a family.

    She says Russian orphanage officials lied to her daughter about the boy "because they wanted to get rid of him."
    She says when the skinny boy was brought to his new home in Tennessee in September, he seemed happy. She says the behavioral problems began soon after.
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    that poor babuska.

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    Adopted Boy Sent Back to Russia Showing No Signs of Violent Behavior, Russian Officia

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    Quote Originally Posted by witzah View Post
    Adopted Boy Sent Back to Russia Showing No Signs of Violent Behavior, Russian Officia
    That actually doesn't surprise me too much. He didn't initially exhibit the behavior when he was adopted. I would be interested in hearing how he's doing a few months after he's settled into a new life. Kids are at their "worst" when they are comfortable with their surroundings (ask any mom who hears "She's such an angel" about their toughest kid when they are at someone else's home)

    Even if he does have some problems (not related to the American cunt's action), if they give him prompt and correct treatment, he may never again have the extreme things she claims. One can hope.

    Plus, I am suspicious of whatever the Russians may say about the deal. They would rather stop all adoptions to the US than look at this as being a highly unusual case. I don't blame them as there have been some bad adoptions but it looks like keeping these children in their orphanages is far from the best alternative.
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    I don't really have much else to say that has not been said already. I'm just amazed that this woman couldn't imagine the boy wouldn't have some behavioral issues.
    Honestly, possible abuse and neglect, abandonment, going to a strange family (which is hard enough, believe me) in a country completely different from your own with a different language.
    Then the cow renames him, like his own name is not worthy.

    She must have been living in la-la land to think he would be perfectly fine from the get go. Unfortunately, she's probably added MORE abandonment and abuse issues to his plate. Good job, Torry.

    Boggles my mind that she didn't try finding assistance for him. I'm sure there has got to be counseling for internationally adopted kids out there somewhere.
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    After watching the Orphan, I'm not taking sides till I get the whole story
    A lot of these countries try to adopt out problem children because they don't want to deal with them, maybe I'm an asshole, but I've seen a few families deal with situations similar to this and spend thousands of dollars, place themselves in bankruptcy trying to do everything they could to no avail. And until they filed bankruptcy there was NO PLACE TO TURN FOR HELP! No State schools, no funding, one family had 3 deferent family phycobabalist ask them not to return, yet they keep trying, they love the child and will do anything it takes to make his life better and it has cost them their lives
    Personally I blame the countries that take advantage of families wanting to adopt
    And the children I'm referring to are extremely damaged children and the families should've been warned as to what they were getting into.
    Now everyone go ahead and attack away, but we don't know the whole story and you're not in her shoes and the Russian CPS is no deferent than ours, just as dysfunctional and cover-up and lies are a way of life
    And if anyone needs to be punched in the face it's the Russian officials that execute these scams on unsuspecting families
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    But Bitme, she didn't even try to get him help. She took on the responsibility of a child without realizing that "just love" wasn't going to cut it with him. She then sent him back on a plane like a puppy in a carrier. To meet up with a man she knew nothing about. He could have been a child molester for goodness sake! If she was so overwhelmed and lied to about this monster kid she should have tried to get help for him, and failing that she could have at least took him back herself.
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    When having kids, adopted and biological it's up in the air. My mom has 4 kids, one of my sisters was in and out of the system and out of control. The rest of us were nothing out of the norm as far as behavior. You never know. I think this chick quit before trying.
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    She "called" a psychiatrist but never sent him to see one. All older when adopted children need to see a psychiatrist. Most states make that a requirement. In JANUARY, they called her and she said she was doing FINE. A month later, she's shipping him off with a note pinned to his coat. Movies are not the real world. If it were her own child, there is nothing she could do either. I'm guessing he was adopted to be a semi-slave because it certainly wasn't for love.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nell View Post
    But Bitme, she didn't even try to get him help. She took on the responsibility of a child without realizing that "just love" wasn't going to cut it with him. She then sent him back on a plane like a puppy in a carrier. To meet up with a man she knew nothing about. He could have been a child molester for goodness sake! If she was so overwhelmed and lied to about this monster kid she should have tried to get help for him, and failing that she could have at least took him back herself.
    We don't know what she tried, everyone always covers up, we don't know just how damaged this child was, no you can't save them all
    This women might be a loser, I don't know. But I see the other side of the situation every day and feel sorry more for the families involved than the child they adopted, love and desperately want to save

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    Quote Originally Posted by biteme View Post
    We don't know what she tried, everyone always covers up, we don't know just how damaged this child was, no you can't save them all
    This women might be a loser, I don't know. But I see the other side of the situation every day and feel sorry more for the families involved than the child they adopted, love and desperately want to save
    I won't cut her an ounce of slack. Even if she wanted to perform miracles with the child. First of all, there hasn't even been enough time to "perform a miracle". Seven months is no where near enough time to overcome 7 years of emotional damage. Secondly, sending the kid back like a returned item from Amazon.com is no way to handle another human being - no matter how badly broken the child is.
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    I agree, DV, doesn't deserve an ounce of slack... she could done something. There are programs and Social Security assistance for adopted kids. If they had lied to her so badly, why didn't she say something in the phone call? Why didn't she contact the State Department for help? Having adopted from overseas, she should have known to do that. She didn't even take him to a psychologist, she called one on the phone and talked to them herself. Hell, I'd bet she didn't even get the poor boy English lessons from a real teacher.

    Let me tell you, my friend adopts troubled and disabled kids including one that makes her a friggin saint... and I can tell you she would NEVER do this to a child. Ever. Never never ever.

    He drew a picture of a fire... ooh, scary. If true, which I don't believe it for a minute, GET HIM PROFESSIONAL HELP. Easy really. I know plenty of people who have troubled kids who really try to hurt their families and they get PROFESSIONAL HELP, they don't ship them off in an airplane.
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    Because the adoption agency is a local one, one of our local new channels interviewed a woman whose family adopted a Russian boy from the agency. The woman said the agency made it abundantly clear that, should there be problems, there were resources available to deal with them, even in worst-case scenarios. She also talked about how there were no misconceptions about the emotional state the child she adopted was in and the type of behavioral issues that could result.

    That's just it - Ms. Hansen wasn't necessarily dealing directly with an orphanage that might have an interest is concealing the boy's issues. She went through an adoption agency that, at least in other cases, made an attempt to educate families about what to expect. I find it difficult to believe they didn't in her case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dakota Valkyrie View Post
    I won't cut her an ounce of slack. Even if she wanted to perform miracles with the child. First of all, there hasn't even been enough time to "perform a miracle". Seven months is no where near enough time to overcome 7 years of emotional damage. Secondly, sending the kid back like a returned item from Amazon.com is no way to handle another human being - no matter how badly broken the child is.
    I hear you all, she wouldn't be the 1st to have an ulterior motive to adopt or ridicules expectations, maybe her son wanted a puppy and she thought a child would be less trouble
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    Damaged children are dangerous, to bring into a family

    http://abcnews.go.com/Health/MindMoo...ry?id=10372316
    Just three weeks ago, after spending thousands of dollars and exhausting local psychiatrists and short-term therapy, the Skeiriks finally sent now 8-year-old Sier to a therapeutic boarding school in West Virginia.
    "If you met my daughter, you would be charmed," she said. "She is sweet and bright and extremely intelligent. That's not unusual at all. Only in the family environment are they threatening. She can tell you straight up: I do not want to love them."
    "The psychiatrist said, 'You know, it's up to her. It's an internal choice they make,'" said Skeirik. "She feels powerful hurting people, and if we didn't make this choice and did it differently, she'd probably become a killer."
    Skeirik said she still loves her daughter and would never dissolve the adoption, but separation was the only solution.
    To be sure, most adoptions are successful, but the primary reason that placements disrupt or dissolve is "inabilility to attach," according to the Attachment Trauma Network.
    Sier was diagnosed with reactive attachment disorder (RAD) -- or failure to bond with her new family.
    According to all accounts, Justin Hansen was well-behaved on board the flight from Viriginia to Moscow and didn't display any violent behavior, but Skeirik said that is typical of RAD.
    Though Torry Hansen hasn't spoken publicly about the incident, the reaction to her actions has been ruthless, accusing her of abandonment and child abuse.
    Skeirik said she faced similar criticism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biteme View Post
    Just three weeks ago, after spending thousands of dollars and exhausting local psychiatrists and short-term therapy, the Skeiriks finally sent now 8-year-old Sier to a therapeutic boarding school in West Virginia.

    Skeirik said she still loves her daughter and would never dissolve the adoption, but separation was the only solution.
    Surely you see the difference between this account and that of Hansen. According to reports, the little Hansen boy never saw a psychiatrist, never got therapy and, instead of being sent to a theraputic boarding school, he was sent back to the orphanage in Russia.

    THAT'S my issue, here. Not that she encountered overwhelming problems with an adoptive child - that happens all the time - but how she chose to deal with it... or not deal with it, as the case may be.
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    Seems like the Russians make it a practice to lie and place damaged children they can't handle with adoptive parents, the horror just goes on and on story after story

    http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=6322100

    After years of failed fertility treatments, Tanya and Mike Mulligan warmed to the idea of foreign adoption after seeing an ad in the newspaper touting a Russian program.
    The couple wanted to adopt older children who wouldn't require the late-night feedings, teething and potty training of an infant or toddler, and in July 2004 they traveled to a remote Russian orphanage to adopt two sisters, Margarita, then 11, and Elena, 8.
    The adoption agency appeared to have found a perfect match for the couple, right down to the blond hair that the sisters had, just like the Mulligans.
    "What we were told prior to the adoption was that they came from a loving family," said Tanya Mulligan, a nurse in Tampa, Fla., who was then in her early 40s.
    Less than a week after leaving Russia, the 11-year-old began to show troubling behaviors, losing herself in fits of rage for hours.
    "She started having a meltdown and crying, and we couldn't figure out what was going on," Tanya Mulligan said. "She was running around the house and wailing."
    Margarita and the boy, whom the Mulligans renamed Slater, were eventually diagnosed with reactive attachment disorder, or RAD, a common diagnosis for many children adopted from foreign orphanages where they were sometimes neglected and abused. Children with RAD have difficulty bonding with their new families and often act out.
    The Mulligans said the sisters' biological mother was an alcoholic and a prostitute who left the girls and their baby brother with their grandmother, who, they say, routinely abused them.
    "Elena apparently got the brunt of it," Tanya Mulligan said. "[The grandmother] used to take her and swing her around the room and smash her face into the wall."
    Tanya Mulligan said the girls told her about one night when their grandmother kept hitting their baby brother with her cane until he stopped crying. The police came the next day and the girls were sent to the orphanage. They never saw their baby brother again and seemed traumatized by his disappearance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athena View Post
    Surely you see the difference between this account and that of Hansen. According to reports, the little Hansen boy never saw a psychiatrist, never got therapy and, instead of being sent to a theraputic boarding school, he was sent back to the orphanage in Russia.

    THAT'S my issue, here. Not that she encountered overwhelming problems with an adoptive child - that happens all the time - but how she chose to deal with it... or not deal with it, as the case may be.
    There are problems and there are problems, easy to sit on the outside and criticize
    how a situation was handled, and everyone always saying "send the child to me I'll love and care for him, oh poor baby" Yeah right, first wear the shoes than talk
    I hear you Athena and agree there's a lot of wrongs here, maybe if we ever get the truth and the whole story it may make more sense, right now it seems the agency claims only one positive contact? The Russians claim the boy is fine? Seems the mother is a monster. Agencies tend to lie to cover their ass, the Russians are known for lying and dumping damaged children they can't handle. Let's see if the mother sought more help than what's been reported and was at wits end, desperate with no resolution in sight and in fear of her and her nephews life
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    I have to go ahead and interject just one thing: None of this should come as any surprise. Investigative reporting into the conditions of Russian orphanages, and the problems orphans from those places have exhibited has been ongoing for several decades now. It's been a well known fact for quite some time that these places are understaffed at best, and that children from a great number of them often have had limited human contact for the length of their orphanage stay to begin with...which can sometimes be years. Russia has struggled with all of that for years. I'm sure they've made some progress over time since the problems started becoming highlighted globally, but it's obviously not enough.

    Also, these are older children who have been in the orphanage system there for often a majority of their lives. Even U.S. orphans in foster care have these same issues. Living in an orphanage with so many other children, being touched by a human maybe once a day would be incredibly worse. Aside from that, many endured physical and emotional abuse and neglect from their birth parents before they ever entered the system to begin with.

    Knowing that, I find it hard to wrap my mind around the idea that anyone would just take "They've got no issues" for granted. There are going to be issues...period.

    Jesus. My own boys (stepsons...I add that for informational purposes only) have a crank addicted mother who barely fed, clothed, or paid them any attention for the first part of their lives, the youngest was 6 when we obtained full custody. That was 4 fucking years ago. He is 100000000000000000000 % a different child than he was when we got him, particularly when it comes to self worth, gross and fine motor skills, health, and the ability to create emotional attachment. Yet four years later shadows of those issues still rear their ugly heads.

    Had this woman gone into this with the true heart of a mother she would never have put that boy on the plane. She should never have adopted, and should never be allowed to adopt again. Nor should she ever have children of her own for that matter. It doesn't take being orphaned to have issues such as these.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Undeniable Truth View Post
    I have to go ahead and interject just one thing: None of this should come as any surprise. Investigative reporting into the conditions of Russian orphanages, and the problems orphans from those places have exhibited has been ongoing for several decades now. It's been a well known fact for quite some time that these places are understaffed at best, and that children from a great number of them often have had limited human contact for the length of their orphanage stay to begin with...which can sometimes be years. Russia has struggled with all of that for years. I'm sure they've made some progress over time since the problems started becoming highlighted globally, but it's obviously not enough.

    Also, these are older children who have been in the orphanage system there for often a majority of their lives. Even U.S. orphans in foster care have these same issues. Living in an orphanage with so many other children, being touched by a human maybe once a day would be incredibly worse. Aside from that, many endured physical and emotional abuse and neglect from their birth parents before they ever entered the system to begin with.

    Knowing that, I find it hard to wrap my mind around the idea that anyone would just take "They've got no issues" for granted. There are going to be issues...period.

    Jesus. My own boys (stepsons...I add that for informational purposes only) have a crank addicted mother who barely fed, clothed, or paid them any attention for the first part of their lives, the youngest was 6 when we obtained full custody. That was 4 fucking years ago. He is 100000000000000000000 % a different child than he was when we got him, particularly when it comes to self worth, gross and fine motor skills, health, and the ability to create emotional attachment. Yet four years later shadows of those issues still rear their ugly heads.

    Had this woman gone into this with the true heart of a mother she would never have put that boy on the plane. She should never have adopted, and should never be allowed to adopt again. Nor should she ever have children of her own for that matter.
    It doesn't take being orphaned to have issues such as these.
    Some of all that may be true, but this child's issues as you know them are?

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    Though I could make an educated guess or two, I wouldn't know. If I were his adoptive mother, I would...guaranteed. There is no return policy in the contract. Again, if you are one to go into it that blindly and as half-heartedly as this woman did then your name should be on some "Can not adopt or procreate" list somewhere.

    This woman only spent 7 months with this child. Hell, even she doesn't know what this child's issues are.
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    My feeling is this woman should have every charge thrown at her for what she did to that child.

    I keep hearing "adopted". Once she adopted that boy, he was hers just as much as any biological. He had the same claims to her estate as any biological heir, could be covered on her insurance as her child, she could claim him as her son on her taxes, if asked she could check the box "natural or adopted child". There isn't one or the other... they are the same.

    She should be treated just as I would be if I took one of my kids, pinned an abandonment note on them and put them on a plane alone to Yugoslavia.

    I want to know if she ever contacted DCF on this issue. She could've even given him up to DCF, not that that would be any better, but I think American options should've come into play on this one, as a child with as much right as biological.
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    ANYONE who adopts an older child - in ANY situation, good or bad, domestic or foreign - and expects that child to just seamlessly blend into the situation is ignorant. This would have been no different if the child had come from New York and she just left him on his former orphanage home there.

    The special problems of adoptions from foreign orphanages are denied by very few people and have long been known. Somehow all the parents I've heard of have dealt with it in legal, ethical, and loving manner.

    Even the horror stories that biteme points out - parents did exactly what they would have done if the broken child had been born to them. It's no more of a shame than giving birth to a broken child and having to deal with that. Instead of blaming a government for tricking you, you have to blame "mother nature" or whoever. But you can't shove 'em back up your cooter.
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    Legally, is there anything this woman can be prosecuted for? Please tell me there is. I would hate to think that this waste of skin can get off scot-free for returning a CHILD like an ill-fitting coat.

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    As terrible as this must have felt for the child, I am glad that the woman gave him back. Once you decide for whatever reason you do not want a child, the responsible thing to do is seek help in one form or another. She decided for whatever reason that she could not have that child in her home for one more day and so she removed him. Wrong or right it beats the alternative of what she could have done to a child she didn't want or love. We all say it everyday "if they didn't want that child they should have found someone who did". Well I think in her mind she did just that.

    I also wonder if she tried to work with the agency to remove the child and they instead wanted her to work with the child more or keep him until they could find an alternative placement and she didn't want to deal with those options. More of this story will come out soon I think.
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    The onus was on her to find out what difficulties and problems this child would have, and she should have done her research before deciding if she could in fact cope with those problems and wanted to proceed with the adoption. She didn't bother to do that from the sounds of things, and so the next thing she should have done is deal with the childs issues correctly. Another FAIL for Torry.

    No matter what problems the child came with, she should not have simply bundled him alone onto a flight back to his birth country with a note and some sweets.

    The very least she should have done is to go with him, ffs, to make sure he got there safely. Oh wait! Thats right, she found some random guy on the internet to meet him. Exactly what any responsible parent would do when they tire of their child!

    He wasn't the perfect little child she pictured. A child she could tout around and preen over as she boasted (modestly, of course) about how she rescued him from the terrible orphanage he was being raised in and what an angel she was for doing 'her bit'. No, he had issues, she didn't want to waste time and money dealing with them, so she returned her defective goods.

    Once he was on that flight back, in her mind she had totally washed her hands of him, and her responsibilities towards him. She didn't give a damn whether or not he even reachd his destination safely, whether or not the guy meeting him was a paedo.

    She is scum.
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