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    Neighbors called but Chad Carr & Katheryn Dale still beat toddler to death

    A North Newton mother is behind bars and has now been charged in connection with the death of her 19-month-old son.

    Prosecutors say Katheryn Nicole Dale, 20, not only knew about the abuse happening in her home at the hands of her boyfriend but she also took part in the abuse of her son, who has now been identified as Vincent Hill.

    Dale was in court late Wednesday. She’s been charged with aggravated battery, child abuse and two counts of endangering a child.
    [...]

    Police were called there Saturday by 26-year-old Chad Carr, who is Dale’s boyfriend. He said the child wasn’t breathing, but investigators now believe the toddler was the victim of abuse.

    "Eyes swollen shut, leg twisted in an unnatural position, left collar bone fractured, terrible cuts on the inside of the mouth where the teeth had cut into the lips,” Yoder said.
    [...]

    Harvey County Sheriff T. Walton also confirmed that a neighbor had called the SRS Abuse Hotline in January, saying she heard screams coming from a child inside the home. But SRS never investigated the report or forwarded the information to its office in Newton, because they felt the call did not indicate harm to the child.

    Walton is frustrated and now wants residents to call 911 instead of the hotline, because that will ensure that an officer will go to the home in question to investigate.
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    Reflecting on it later Wednesday, Yoder said: "You're stunned. You can't believe what you are seeing" — the worst injuries he has seen on a child in decades as a prosecutor.

    During the briefing — which included the announcement that Vincent's 20-year-old mother and her 26-year-old boyfriend have been charged with beating, abusing or endangering him — Yoder said there were "very few parts on this child's body that were not injured in some grievous way."

    Among the injuries were "terrible cuts" on the inside of the boy's mouth, fingernails that had been ripped out, a leg that was twisted in an "unnatural position" from a spiral fracture, a broken collarbone and an eye swollen shut.

    He said it was difficult for him to speak of the injuries at the briefing.
    [...]

    According to a copy of the abuse charge against her, among her son's injuries were: "stabbed with a fork and cut mouth, bruises to chin, struck across face."
    [...]

    Dale and her two small children, including a 6-week-old daughter who has been placed in state custody pending an emergency hearing, had been renting a two-story duplex in North Newton.

    She was with her infant daughter at a baby shower in Wichita on Saturday afternoon when her boyfriend, Chad Daniel Carr, called 911 to report that Vincent was not breathing, authorities said.

    The couple had lived together about four months and did not have children together, authorities said.
    [...]

    Yoder said more charges are possible, pending final results from an autopsy and information from medical experts on timeframes for the injuries.
    [...]

    Dale is unemployed, according to a sheriff's document.

    According to a financial affidavit that Carr filled out for the court, he has been employed by a concrete business, making about $1,600 a month. He listed monthly expenses of nearly that much, including $500 in child support for a 5-year-old son and 3-year-old son.
    http://www.kansas.com/2010/04/01/125...n-toddler.html
    According to an SRS finding dated Jan. 21, a copy of which Walton received Tuesday, the state agency found that the neighbor's report "does not indicate harm to the child. There is nothing to indicate that the child is being physically harmed... . No indication the ... yelling at the child is impairing or endangering the child socially or intellectually, to the point that it is causing the child to deteriorate and not be able to function on a daily basis."

    It concludes that "no further ... action is needed."

    So there was no further investigation by SRS, Walton said.
    [...]

    In an interview with The Eagle on Tuesday, Jessica Link, the woman who lives in the duplex next to the toddler's home, said she could easily hear the man next door yelling and cursing at the boy while his mother was gone, beginning late last year after the family moved in.

    "I would just hear him say, 'Shut up!' "

    At first the boy would cry, "like a kid does," she said, and then the man would yell at the toddler for crying. What unsettled her was that the boy would begin to scream "like there was something wrong," said Link, 21.

    Link noticed that the yelling and screaming occurred when the mother's car wasn't in the driveway. She said she never heard the woman yell at the child.
    [...]
    Months ago, Link thought about knocking on her neighbor's door but didn't want to have a confrontation, she said. And at the time, she didn't think it was necessary to call police, she said.

    Link had a refrigerator magnet with a toll-free SRS number to call to report child abuse. She called the number a couple of times in January and left messages saying that she could hear possible abuse and wanted to report it, she said.

    A couple of days later, someone from the hotline called back, and Link gave her name and address and her neighbors' address and told about the yelling and screaming next door, she said.
    [...]
    Link said she wished she had been home Saturday afternoon before emergency dispatchers received the 911 call about the toddler.

    "Maybe I would have heard something going on," she said.
    [...]
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    this is fucking awful...he is my sons age, i could not imagine, he fell and cut his lip one afternoon and everytime i looked at him i cringed with worry it wouldnt stop bleeding..

    how could a mother allow and participate in such torture on a sweet baby..8(

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    You know, it hurts to think that they hit him to begin with cause he was crying. And I'm sure because of all the pain he was in he whined a lot which caused even more hitting. And hearing your own flesh and blood scream like that? A scream of utter and complete pain....I just can't understand the justification in her mind as to staying there.
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    She kinda looks like him in drag.
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    WHY do people like this breed?
    that really pisses me off.
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    Ok, I am kinda new here and have managed to read so many of these stories and not cry but seeing this sweet little angels face after reading what happened I couldn't stop from crying. What is with all these monsters? Is there something wrong with their DNA?? There has to be some kind of explaination that just plain not giving a shit and killing your kid or kids.

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    he looks so much like my son did at that age....poor baby...i hope the penis and incubation unit both rot in hell
    where's the Bold Fairy when you need him? I just KNOW you all are pointing & laughing at me in the "point & laugh" thread that I can no longer see!! :(

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    DFS is a joke. I'm with the sheriff--calling 911 if one suspects abuse seems to be the best course of action. That neighbor will probably spend the rest of her life wishing she'd called 911.

    That poor, sweet child. Stuff like this makes me wonder why there are so many women who want children but can't have them, and then there are people who are too selfish and irresponsible to be parents who pop babies out like they're human pez dispensers.

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    Sick and tired of this shit being played out across the country. I would love a chance to beat these people and torture them. I HATE when they hurt and kill these poor babies. They don't care about human life, even the ones that they bring into this world. Countless families can not have babies, and they yearn for them. Why not do the babies, and themselves a favor and hand them over to someone that will LOVE them, and PROTECT them? They deserve a chance to feel loved, safe and happy. His face was so adorable, and I bet he would have given all the love in the little baby body to someone that would love him back. My heart is so heavy from reading these details. Neighbors hearing a baby screaming, and now after reading this shit we all know those screams were from fear, and horrible pain that he was enduring at the hands of these beast.

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    I'll admit this is incredibly off topic, but anyway...

    The penis in this shot looks a hell of a lot like Ellis from Left 4 Dead 2.
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    In addition to killing this poor child, Chad Carr is being filed on for 16 counts of child porn that was found on his computer.

    Some people just need to be head shot and thrown in a ditch, and I don't mind saying it.

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    Yoder said the pornography charges against Carr allege that he possessed child pornography videos.

    Carr's brother, Christopher D. Carr, 29, has been charged with the same pornography crimes, Yoder said.

    The charges allege that the pornography was downloaded, possessed or reviewed between October 2008 and March 2009, Yoder said.

    The charges are completely separate from the charges involving injuries to the boy, Yoder said.

    After authorities developed the case against Chad Carr in the toddler's death, they decided to accelerate their investigation of the pornography case, Yoder said.

    Even if authorities had been able to charge and arrest Chad Carr in the pornography case earlier, there is no guarantee he wouldn't have had access to the boy, Yoder said.
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    Let me guess she's going to say she didn't know what was on the computer... She didn't know he was abusing her child. She "didn't know"... yeah BULLSHIT. She didn't give a flying fuck. 3 children, and she's 20 years old... She's been a baby making machine for what.. 5-6 years? Since she was 15 probably? This cunt needs her shit ripped out.

    I hope that the new baby is found a loving home. The other remaining child I hope is never given back either. Rip this bitches uterus out. Cut the mother fucker out and let her bleed to death. Let the jackass fucking have his dick cut off and let him bleed to death. Make it slow and painful.
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    This baby killer should lose his life for taking baby Vincent's. What he did to Vincent's little body is brutal. This woman is no mother and I hope she does not get her baby back, and never able to breed again. I hope she dies alone used and abused.

    People need to get more involved when thinking abuse is going on. A "confrontation" is a small price to pay as a child who dies from abuse pays the highest one.

    Sweet baby Vincent you were a treasure a gift to be cherished. So very sorry your life was left unprotected, that the one person who should have loved and championed you failed you. Kisses little one, in heavens light.

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    ....Mother of slain toddler denied bond reduction
    — A bond reduction was denied today for a mother charged in connection with the death of her 19-month-old son.
    Katheryn Nycole Dale appeared Thursday in Harvey County District Court before Judge Joe Dickinson.
    Her attorney Gregory Barker told the judge Dale had no money and would be unable to make the $50,000 bond that had been set in her case. Barker asked the judge to release Dale on her own recognizance with electronic monitoring.
    A child-in-need-of-care case is pending in Harvey County court regarding Dale’s infant child, who was placed in protective custody after her older son, Vincent Hill, died while in the care of her boyfriend.
    Barker said the case was a significant tie for Dale in the community.
    Harvey County Attorney David Yoder objected to the bail reduction.
    He said Dale had been on suicide watch in the Harvey County Detention Center until recently.
    He said he also wanted the court to hear arguments during the preliminary hearing in the case before making any decisions on bond.
    Dale is charged with aggravated battery, abuse of a child and two counts of aggravated endangering a child.
    The counts allege Dale pushed a fork into her son’s mouth, causing cuts inside his mouth.
    Other counts stem from the child’s death on March 25 when the child was left alone with Dale’s boyfriend, Chad Carr.
    Dale’s preliminary hearing was continued to 9 a.m. Wednesday.
    Carr’s preliminary hearing was continued to 9 a.m. May 14.
    http://www.thekansan.com/news/x15403...bond-reduction
    Katheryn Nycole Dale listens to her attorney Gregory Barker Thursday morning in Harvey County District Court. A request for a bond reduction for her was denied. Dale is charged with aggravated battery, abuse of a child and two counts of aggravated endangering a child

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    Her bail, and her freedom should all be denied. May she never see the outside of prison ever again. Let her live her disgusting worthless life with the rest of human scum. She should never even be allowed to have a reason to smile ever in life.
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    More charges added to child death case
    Harvey County authorities on Friday upgraded charges against Chad Carr, the 26-year-old North Newton man accused of beating his girlfriend’s 19-month-old son to death.

    Carr, originally charged with two counts of aggravated battery and two counts of child abuse, was charged Friday with first-degree murder in the March 27 death of Vincent Hill, according to a statement from Sheriff T. Walton. Carr also still faces the aggravated battery and child abuse charges. Bail, previously set at $225,000, was increased to $300,000, including that for an unrelated case.
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    Poor baby. How can these people do this to children?

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    By Cristina Janney
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    Posted Jun 09, 2010 @ 11:16 AM
    NEWTON —

    The man accused of killing a North Newton toddler in March made a first appearance on murder charges Tuesday in Harvey County District Court.
    Chad Carr, 26, of North Newton is charged with felony murder, two counts of aggravated battery and two counts of abuse of child in connection with the death of 19-month-old Vincent Hill.
    . . .
    Harvey County Attorney David Yoder said an autopsy report that was released Friday indicated the child died from complications of multiple blunt-force trauma combined with oxygen deprivation to the brain from suffocation or asphyxiation.
    The death was ruled a homicide.
    Carr’s murder case does not meet the standards for the death penalty.
    Carr also is facing 13 counts of sexual exploitation of a child in a separate child pornography case. Yoder moved Tuesday to drop three of the 16 original counts, saying on further review, three images were questionable to proceed with on charges.
    . . .
    Yoder has not amended the charges against Dale. He said the charges against Dale could be amended, but he is in talks with Dale’s attorney.
    Dale’s preliminary hearing is set for 2 p.m. June 16.
    . . .
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    I give up. This world is totally fucked.

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    Judge won't restrict media access to mother's hearing

    NEWTON — A judge today denied a defense attorney's request to restrict electronic media access to a preliminary hearing for a woman charged with endangering, abusing and battering her 19-month-old son.

    Gregory Barker, the attorney for Katheryn Nycole Dale, contended that electronic-media exposure to the preliminary hearing, set for Wednesday, would harm her right to a fair trial because it would make potential jurors biased.

    Dale is accused of injuring her son, Vincent Hill. The toddler died in late March. He had been living at a North Newton duplex with his mother and her boyfriend, Chad Carr, 26. Carr has been charged with first-degree murder in the boy's death.
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    Dickinson also said that extensive media coverage of other high-profile cases did not taint pools of prospective jurors.
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    By Cristina Janney
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    Posted Jul 09, 2010 @ 10:42 PM
    Last update Jul 09, 2010 @ 11:02 PM

    . . .
    Carr, 26, was allegedly home alone with the toddler in North Newton on March 27 when 19-month-old Vincent Hill stopped breathing.
    Carr was the boyfriend of the boy’s mother, Katheryn Nycole Dale.
    Dr. Scott Kipper of the Sedgwick County coroner’s office testified Friday the child died of asphyxiation and likely was suffocated.
    Hill had impressions on the inside of his lips that indicated they were forcibly pushed against his teeth, he said.
    Harvey County sheriff’s investigator Robert Guest testified Carr told him in an interview he sometimes put a rag in Hill’s mouth or cupped his hand over his mouth to stop Hill from crying.
    Carr also told Guest he once tied the child’s hands behind his back for picking up fuzz of the carpet and sometimes slapped on the hand for doing the same.
    Carr told Guest Hill fell down at least part of a flight of carpeted stairs the day before his death. Defense attorney Charles O’Hara argued at least part of the injuries the child received could have been from the fall.
    Kipper said although some of the injuries could be related to a fall down stairs, some of the injuries, including the asphyxiation, could not.
    In his report, Kipper deemed Hill’s death a homicide.
    Dr. Audrey Roberts, the pediatrician who attended to Hill when he was brought into the emergency room at Newton Medical Center, testified about the injuries she witnessed on Hill’s body.
    Roberts said Hill had injuries from his head to his toes.
    She said Hill had a lot of bruising on his face, an eye swollen shut, blood behind his ear drum, retinal bleeding and “massive” trauma to the mouth.
    He also had a broken collar bone and a broken right leg — injuries that Roberts said were likely recent.
    Roberts also testified the child had bruised genitalia that was swollen to about three times its normal size.
    Hill also had some older injuries, Roberts said, including bruising and a broken left leg.
    “Vincent was not old enough to climb to high enough or run fast enough to receive these type of injuries to the front and the back,” she said. “Injuries to both sides are not consistent with accidental trauma. It was most likely child abuse.”
    Carr called 911 to report the child not breathing and was doing CPR when law-enforcement officials arrived.
    However, Roberts testified the rigor had started to set in when she examined the child at the emergency room, which means the child could have been dead two hours or more.
    O’Hara repeatedly questioned defense witnesses about the time of death and the age of Hill’s injuries.
    Kipper said the freshest injuries occurred within 24 hours of the Hill’s death, but he said a precise time of death could not be determined.
    O’Hara argued that was not a narrow enough time frame to determine Carr injured Hill.
    Carr told police he put Hill to bed at 9 p.m. March 26 and did not see him again until Carr woke up at about 3:30 p.m. the next day to find Hill not breathing in his crib.
    Hill’s mother, Dale, left at 9 a.m. March 27 to go to a baby shower in Wichita, Carr told police.
    She did not return until she was notified of her son’s death, Guest testified.
    Harvey County Attorney David Yoder also presented evidence of photos taken at the scene of Hill’s crib. Investigators found no blood in the child’s upstairs room.
    However, they found dried blood on a bib at the home, sheriff’s deputy Gary Littlejohn testified.
    Yoder also introduced photos of Carr’s hands, which showed some injuries to the knuckles.
    Carr told police he injured his hands at work.

    Carr’s attorney said Carr has consistently told police he did not hurt Hill on the day he died and argued there was not enough evidence to prove Carr killed Hill.
    However, Judge Richard Walker bound Carr over on a charge of first-degree murder, as well as one count of aggravated battery and one count of abuse of a child.
    A second count of abuse of a child and a second count of aggravated battery were dismissed.
    Yoder dropped one count of aggravated battery because he said it duplicated the other charge. Walker said there was not enough evidence that Carr abused Hill prior to March 27 to sustain the second count of abuse of a child.
    Carr pleaded not guilty to all three charges and requested a jury trial.
    Carr is set to be in court for a pretrial hearing at 1 p.m. Aug. 18.
    . . .
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    I still don't like it when babies are referred to by their last names, it just seems so unnecessarily cold and clinical. Babies need to be snuggled and cuddled and it just seems like an insult after their terrible lives.

    I guess I don't really know what I'm trying to say but maybe some of you get what I'm attempting to say.

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    I'm not getting how this brutal abuse and muder of a toddler isn't enough grounds for the Death Penalty. What does it take... the death of 2, 3 or 10 kids? These damn lawyers and judges better get their justice shit straight... they are forcing the rest of us in society to mete out proper justice before they get to court. I'm no vigilante, but damn if this 'legal justice' is nothing but a crock of bullshit. Of course, this son-of-a-bitch deserves the Death Penalty... he has no place in this world and feeding his sorry ass for the next 50 years isn't too pleasant an option; I'm no bleeding heart... I'd shoot his sorry ass dead in a heartbeat!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    I still don't like it when babies are referred to by their last names, it just seems so unnecessarily cold and clinical. Babies need to be snuggled and cuddled and it just seems like an insult after their terrible lives.

    I guess I don't really know what I'm trying to say but maybe some of you get what I'm attempting to say.
    i'm so old-school that i don't think females should be referred to by last name only, either. while i am so bitter that it doesn't bug me too much when it refers to a bitch like this, it's done all the time, even in non-crime reporting.

    i was taught never to do it when writing, and since it was impressed on me at a young age, it's permanent. and aside from the mushy stuff cubby's talking about, it's just damn confusing to read.

    children and ladies.

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    So sad. He was such a cute little boy.

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    Walton is frustrated and now wants residents to call 911 instead of the hotline, because that will ensure that an officer will go to the home in question to investigate.
    That's what I've been saying all along.
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    Katheryn Nycole Dale, the mother of the late 19-month-old Vincent Hill, pleaded no contest to charges of abuse of a child and aggravated endangerment of a child Thursday in Harvey County District Court.
    [...]

    “She knowingly placed the child in a situation in which life and body were in danger,” Yoder said during the court hearing. “That meets the statutory requirements for aggravated endangerment of a child that day.”

    Carr has been charged with murder in Hill’s death.

    Although it is not spelled out in the plea agreement, Yoder said it is his expectation Dale will testify in the case against Carr.
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    A sentence on a child abuse charge can be 31 to 136 months in prison, and a sentence on an aggravated endangerment of a child charge can be 5 to 17 months.
    Although sentencing recommendations will be determined by an extensive court services background check, Yoder said he did not think Dale had a prior criminal record.

    This means Dale would fall in what is called a border box for sentencing. She likely would face 31 to 38 months incarceration on the first charge and five to eight months on the second charge.

    It will be up to Judge Joe Dickinson to decide if Dale will serve probation or prison time.

    “It could go either way,” Yoder said. “The state has made no recommendations. It is entirely up to the judge.”

    Dale also will be ordered to attend child abuse awareness and anger management classes.

    Dale’s sentencing is set for Sept. 30.

    Two counts of aggravated battery against Dale were dropped Thursday.

    Yoder said one count of aggravated battery stemmed from investigators’ belief Dale had caused some of Hill’s injuries on March 27.

    However, Yoder said further investigation lead police to believe all the injuries from March 27 were caused by Carr.

    The other charge was connected to the fork incident. Yoder said if Dale had been convicted by a jury, she would have been sentenced on the more specific abuse of a child charge.
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    Oh come the fuck oooooonnnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ugh!
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    Less than 4 years for killing your child, WTF is going on? I am speechless...
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