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    Angry Stephanie Stephens, 2, dies after paramedics decline to take her to the hospital.


    Would like to find out what the actual case of death turns out to be...
    District leaders are taking action after the death of a toddler. On Friday, Mayor Adrian Fenty, Attorney General Peter Nickles and Fire and Emergency Medical Services Chief Dennis Rubin announced that FEMS is currently conducting a review of the transport case of 2-year-old Stephanie Stephens.

    Stephanie died after D.C. paramedics declined to take her to the hospital

    Were professional procedures followed, and were medical procedures followed? Those are the two basic questions Mayor Fenty says the investigation needs to answer.

    Right now, the two paramedics involved are off the street and on non-patient contact status.
    City officials want to know what medics did or did not do on February 10, when Stephens needed help.

    "A decision was made not to transport the patient to a hospital," said Mayor Fenty. "It is that decision and the circumstances surrounding it that are under investigation."

    The little girl died after her mother called 911 twice. The first time, medics reportedly suggested putting the girl in the bathroom with the shower running so steam could help her breath. They then told the toddler's mother to give her Tylenol and left.

    Nearly nine hours later, Stephanie's mother called again to say her daughter was having trouble breathing. The little girl died February 11 at Children's Hospital.

    "Anyone dying is a horrible event to begin with," says FEMS chief Dennis Rubin. "Compound the fact that it's a 2-year-old child, our heart goes out to the family."

    The response of FEMS is now under a quality review. Officials say all documentation, provider interviews and medical assessment by the medical director are being looked at, and Rubin is conducting a disciplinary investigation before determining what appropriate action to take.

    "There's a range from an employee notification of a reprimand which essentially puts the employee on notice that the behavior was incorrect and cannot be repeated again, up to termination," said Rubin.

    "There's going to be a lot of information that we need to go over, and both in respect to the investigation itself and most importantly to the family involved," said Fenty. "We've got to pore through all of that. We've got to ask a lot of questions and get answers."

    Rubin says he believes the procedures currently in place are adequate.

    The review of this case is expected to take 30 days. In the meantime, Mayor Fenty says he will reach out to Stephanie Stephens' family.
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    D.C.'s fire chief will go before the city council Friday afternoon, facing questions amid a new criminal probe into the city's emergency medical services. The investigation stems from the death of a two-year-old girl who was denied transport to a local hospital by a paramedic.

    Councilmember Phil Mendelson, chair of the Public Safety Committee, asked the fire chief, "Is it unreasonable to strive for perfection?"

    The councilmember is questioning the response by paramedics regarding two separate incidents. The most recent involved 2-year-old Stephanie Stephens.

    "They should have taken her no matter what," Stephanie's Grandmother said.

    In a rare move, D.C. Police are investigating a senior paramedic for possible criminal negligence in the toddler's death.

    The toddler's family called 911 February 10th because Stephanie couldn't breathe. Her mother claims the senior paramedic told her to put Stephanie in the bathroom and run the shower to ease her breathing, but did not take the girl to the hospital. Sources tell ABC 7 a second paramedic disagreed with the advice and wanted to take the girl to the hospital but was overruled.
    http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0310/715353.html

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    I thought the end decision to go to the hospital or stay home was made by the patient or the patients guardian. Nice to know just when you need help getting to the hospital most non-doctors will be able to with hold transportation
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    i didn't think they could do that. in fact i don't think they can. maybe after that was suggested to the mother (the hot shower) she said ok. its hard for me to imagine that she insisted that they take her daughter and they flat out said no.
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    I am betting the call interrupted lunch.
    these two should have any and all licenses revoked.
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    I am not sure what happened in this case, but I don't think that all EMT's/paramedics are comfortable with the treatment of children. I just don't think they get enough calls to get a lot of experience with pediatric patients.

    I am a pediatric nurse, and children can crash very quickly. It's hard to make a call on how bad of shape this kid was in where the ambulance was there, but they would have been better off to err in the side of caution and take this child to the hospital.

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    My daughter fell off the couch onto her head and knocked herself out cold, then had a mini seizure. I called 911 in a panic. That call, if I could get ahold of it, probably sounder worse to the poor man on the other end than most violent murders. By the time the paramedics rolled up she was conscious, so they decided they would NOT transport her to the hospital. At all. I don't own a car, and this was about 9pm. They suggested i take the bus with my baby. In January. I finally convinced one of them to find a number for a cab for me. That cab cost me $20, money i don't normally have to waste.

    I honestly couldn't believe what had happened. I really couldn't. I think it was the fact that they knew we were poor, because they kept mentioning the cost of the ambulance as a factor for not taking her.

    Anyway, luckily i could take her to the hospital myself. What if I couldn't have afforded it at the time? Would they have just left us to stay up all night hoping she didn't have bleeding on the brain? I really think they would have, and it may have been why they did so with this lady. Unfortunately she lost her baby because of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nell View Post
    I honestly couldn't believe what had happened. I really couldn't. I think it was the fact that they knew we were poor, because they kept mentioning the cost of the ambulance as a factor for not taking her.

    Anyway, luckily i could take her to the hospital myself. What if I couldn't have afforded it at the time? Would they have just left us to stay up all night hoping she didn't have bleeding on the brain? I really think they would have, and it may have been why they did so with this lady. Unfortunately she lost her baby because of it.
    The NHS has it's faults, some of them major. But reading things like what happened to Nell, and to Stephanie Stephens, makes me thank my lucky stars that we have it.

    It is disgraceful that some paramedics refuse to transport children to the hospital. Cost-saving should never outrank a childs welfare. You only have to read some of the abuse cases to see that kids can still function for a time with sometimes quite horrendous injuries -broken bones, severe bruising etc. That's how they can be beaten and abused over weeks and months (even years) by their cruel tormentors.

    Breathing difficulties and head injuries where the child was knocked unconscious should always be seen by a qualified doctor!
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    i smell a wrongful death lawsuit...they were called TWICE...the 1st time i might could see them making suggestions, like the steamy shower idea...but the second time they should have transported! this was a BABY, and she needed help...ems failed, bigtime!
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