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    Miscarriage = Murder?

    A controversial abortion billin Utah meant to prevent planned assaults on unborn children may have opened a loophole that could allow women to be charged with murder if their reckless behavior causes miscarriages.

    Gov. Gary Herbert has not indicated whether he will sign the bill into law or veto it, although supporters of the bill say they expect him to approve it. If Herbert does nothing by March 8, the measure automatically becomes law.

    The bill was prompted by the case of a pregnant teenager last year who paid someone to beat her, hoping to cause a late term abortion.

    But critics argue that allowing homicide charges if a woman's "reckless behavior" causes the unborn child to die opens up the possibility that prosecutors could seek a murder conviction against women who miscarry after not wearing their seatbelts or returning to a partner who has a history of physical abuse.
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    I think most know where I stand on the issue; I think any prosecution of behavior, intended to harm the fetus or not, is crap. The right of a fetus should not trump the right of the mother at any point during the pregnancy.

    But this kind of legislation is especially disturbing. Sure, it's aimed at women who intentionally take steps to terminate a pregnancy late term, but it will undoubtedly be expanded to women whose risky behavior, intentionally or not, results in miscarriage.

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    This is exactly why I've been against charging people for killing/injuring two victims when a pregnant woman is involved in some sort of accident/murder/etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saffron View Post
    This is exactly why I've been against charging people for killing/injuring two victims when a pregnant woman is involved in some sort of accident/murder/etc.
    Yep - you can't have it both ways. Either a fetus is an individual or it's not. Charge one person with murder for killing a fetus but spare another person guilty of the same effect simply due to their relation to the "victim".

    I would say that there is some merit in punishing a 3rd party for killing a fetus in the same way that destruction of property might be viewed. If I want to smash my dishes to bits, I can. But if you do it without asking, that's illegal.
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    I say if someone wants to kick their own ass to injure their fetus then more power to them.

    But then again I am a Godless heathen..
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