Black children are an endangered species...

[sheevaa]

Whatever your background is, I'm sure it has it's own share of dirt...How about you start a project on your own people; for instance, the majority of child molester-killers are white...If that's your race, start a thread and discuss steps that could stop white men from kidnapping, molesting and killing children. Of course you'd never do that! But you can soooooooo easily discuss "BLACK" issues.

Anything and everything gets discussed in this place. If you have an interest in white child molesters, why don't YOU start the project? Likely, you'll find that we'll do our own research and chime in.
This topic interested DingDang, so she did. You have to admit, it's something that should be addressed, in all colors. Black people are not the only ones to cheat the system, or have 5 million kids in poverty or kill them.

My opinion is that it's a woman's choice. I would prefer contraceptives to abortion. I consider an abortion better than a kid growing up neglected with 10 other kids. Or dead because the parent got frustrated.
Honestly, do any of you recall living in the womb? If you're going to be offed, I'd consider it a mercy to be done THEN, rather than at 3 years old when you can't comprehend why mommy is hurting you.

[jus shaking my head]

Anything and everything gets discussed in this place. If you have an interest in white child molesters, why don't YOU start the project? Likely, you'll find that we'll do our own research and chime in.
This topic interested DingDang, so she did. You have to admit, it's something that should be addressed, in all colors. Black people are not the only ones to cheat the system, or have 5 million kids in poverty or kill them.

My opinion is that it's a woman's choice. I would prefer contraceptives to abortion. I consider an abortion better than a kid growing up neglected with 10 other kids. Or dead because the parent got frustrated.
Honestly, do any of you recall living in the womb? If you're going to be offed, I'd consider it a mercy to be done THEN, rather than at 3 years old when you can't comprehend why mommy is hurting you.

sheevaa,

I could not agree more.

[Cynbenet]

However, the higher percentage rate is black. Black men make up a mere 5% of the U. S. population yet, just over 25% of child molesters are black.

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/

If I can be solicited to "DONATE" to the NAACP and/or the United Negro College Fund, then, yes, I do feel somewhat entitled to discuss "BLACK" issues.

If you donate tho those funds, then you are an asshole. There are people DYING, people missing, kids starving and so many other things to donate money to.

[Cynbenet]

You will find that people here on DD discuss and debate a lot of issues. People have different beliefs and sometimes my own long beliefs are proven to be either full of shit or I open my mind to the other persons point of view.
Other times I still feel the other person is full of shit.

But, I would hope everyone here is allowed to voice their opinion.

Yea I know, I don't care anymore. Please pretend that I didn't post that message. I make no apologies but I regret ever posting here. Please do not respond to this post. I really don't care.

[penelopejo]

If you donate tho those funds, then you are an asshole. There are people DYING, people missing, kids starving and so many other things to donate money to.

Solicited does not mean the same as donation.

[thehesbomb]

If you donate tho those funds, then you are an asshole. There are people DYING, people missing, kids starving and so many other things to donate money to.

[CadburyCremeGirl]

Alright, this is what I have to say(as if it is important)

As an African American woman of childbearing age(28), I think the whole "black children are an endangered species" is wrong and is just bait-and-switch for the anti-abortion movement.
That being said, I personally don't see anything wrong with abortion, but it should not be used as birth control. That type of crap I can't stand.
What the girl should have did before she even laid down with the guy was get birth control. Planned Parenthood may have a checkered past, but it's helpful NOW. You can get birth control for next to nothing and plan for an std test while you're at it.
But let me let you in on a little secret: when you are told from a young age by parents and church how sex is a dirty thing and only WHORES do it...it's hella hard to get said birth control unless you're of age.
In black culture, you get that thundered into your hear on the daily. Meanwhile, your pastor is screwing the choir director and your parents havent slept in the same bed together for years. I know this is not in every Black house, but I'm trying to get a point across here.
We have the highest occurance of unwed mothers, because we are literally spoon fed the thought that: 1) if you got pregnant you might as well see it all the way through. It'll teach you a lesson(wtf) and 2) It's easier to brand a woman as a whore if she has a kid out of wedlock. No matter how that kid got there.
I was born to an unwed mother. In fact, she had me at 14. Abortion wasn't even an option. My grandmother told her that if she had me that her and the family would help. And for the most part they did, in their own way.
What grandma didn't say(or know) is the hell that I had to go through because of how I was born(let's just say the way I was concieved was traumatic). Alot of hardcore harrasment/teasing from kids and adults in the family. Even the family crackhead called me retarded and "toliet baby".
This was all going on while my mother was getting her various degrees(sitting out of school wasn't an option either) and working. My grandmother worked also, which left me with people who were just plain evil. I got abused more than once, but had to keep it quiet because of the "it will make the family look bad" and "blacks are already thought of as horrible, don't want to make them look worse". But I digress.
As I got older, I abstained from sex alltogether(it was supposed to be until I got married but I got a bit testy), and noticed that scores upon scores of my cousins were getting knocked up. Well, that was enough for me. Me and my mom talked it over, and I was placed on B.C.
Sure I got made fun of, but at the age I am and childfree I think I made the right decision. I'm letting my body take a break from B.C, but I always have backup(condoms) and if there is a breakage, there is emergency b.c.
If after the b.c., condoms, and EBC I still end up pregnant, I'll do my best to take care of them, because I think after totally going through all that, they deserve a good life! lol.
I can say, the Black Community is doing a little better, but they have a ways to go. The only thing that will cut down abortions/unwed mothers is comprehensive sex education. Even in college. Why college? Because there are kids that I know that are MY age and didn't know what a diaphram was(face palm)
That is all.

[jus shaking my head]

Alright, this is what I have to say(as if it is important)

As an African American woman of childbearing age(28), I think the whole "black children are an endangered species" is wrong and is just bait-and-switch for the anti-abortion movement.
That being said, I personally don't see anything wrong with abortion, but it should not be used as birth control. That type of crap I can't stand.
What the girl should have did before she even laid down with the guy was get birth control. Planned Parenthood may have a checkered past, but it's helpful NOW. You can get birth control for next to nothing and plan for an std test while you're at it.
But let me let you in on a little secret: when you are told from a young age by parents and church how sex is a dirty thing and only WHORES do it...it's hella hard to get said birth control unless you're of age.
In black culture, you get that thundered into your hear on the daily. Meanwhile, your pastor is screwing the choir director and your parents havent slept in the same bed together for years. I know this is not in every Black house, but I'm trying to get a point across here.
We have the highest occurance of unwed mothers, because we are literally spoon fed the thought that: 1) if you got pregnant you might as well see it all the way through. It'll teach you a lesson(wtf) and 2) It's easier to brand a woman as a whore if she has a kid out of wedlock. No matter how that kid got there.
I was born to an unwed mother. In fact, she had me at 14. Abortion wasn't even an option. My grandmother told her that if she had me that her and the family would help. And for the most part they did, in their own way.
What grandma didn't say(or know) is the hell that I had to go through because of how I was born(let's just say the way I was concieved was traumatic). Alot of hardcore harrasment/teasing from kids and adults in the family. Even the family crackhead called me retarded and "toliet baby".
This was all going on while my mother was getting her various degrees(sitting out of school wasn't an option either) and working. My grandmother worked also, which left me with people who were just plain evil. I got abused more than once, but had to keep it quiet because of the "it will make the family look bad" and "blacks are already thought of as horrible, don't want to make them look worse". But I digress.
As I got older, I abstained from sex alltogether(it was supposed to be until I got married but I got a bit testy), and noticed that scores upon scores of my cousins were getting knocked up. Well, that was enough for me. Me and my mom talked it over, and I was placed on B.C.
Sure I got made fun of, but at the age I am and childfree I think I made the right decision. I'm letting my body take a break from B.C, but I always have backup(condoms) and if there is a breakage, there is emergency b.c.
If after the b.c., condoms, and EBC I still end up pregnant, I'll do my best to take care of them, because I think after totally going through all that, they deserve a good life! lol.
I can say, the Black Community is doing a little better, but they have a ways to go. The only thing that will cut down abortions/unwed mothers is comprehensive sex education. Even in college. Why college? Because there are kids that I know that are MY age and didn't know what a diaphram was(face palm)
That is all.

You are so right. Wait........ you aren't talking about Jewish people? Sorry, you were so accurate I thought you were.

[backlash]

If you really think this is only a problem in the black community, I have 2 words for you. White Trash.

[Jezebel]

If you really think this is only a problem in the black community, I have 2 words for you. White Trash.

Amen, and in California it's now Hispanics.

[Rockin Ma]

I think the billboard was supposed to appeal to Black Pride. However, I don't think if someone's debating whether or not they are going to go through with an abortion, they are going to think about that billboard and decide to keep their baby for that reason.

My friend went to a planned parenthood for an abortion. The picketers were there and a woman picketer befriended her, bought her lunch and my friend did not have an abortion. Nothing but that would've stopped her. Damn sure not a billboard telling her to abandon her reasons she thought abortion was her best decision because she needed to help replenish the black population.

[HijabiGirl]

Only in America could we claim that an antire "race" is being wiped out by our actions. There is this huge continent, maybe you've heard of it, Africa? Last I checked they are doing just swell in the population department and the black "race" is doing just fine.

There is one race, the human race. All else is window dressing and hysteria.

[Valasca]

As my fiance says... Labels are a short cut to thinking.

[CadburyCremeGirl]

Only in America could we claim that an antire "race" is being wiped out by our actions. There is this huge continent, maybe you've heard of it, Africa? Last I checked they are doing just swell in the population department and the black "race" is doing just fine.

There is one race, the human race. All else is window dressing and hysteria.

I'm glad you got that point, but another thing: if you drop me off in Africa. I would not do well nor would I be accepted by everyone there. Why? Because all though folks use the misnomer "African American" to describe me, I'm just a plain ole American of African/Irish/English/etc descent. But that's a whole new kettle of fish.

Peter, the "white trash" I hear about probally translates to "trailer trash" in my state. They tend to date their relatives here and be quite insular. The ones who do date outside their race make me want to scream to their partner "Dear God! If you want some vanilla THAT bad, at least get a better looking chick!" Yeah, I know, I'm bad.

Now as for the comment about the "this is not just a problem in the black community" this is more than obvious. We are just talking about the black community for a MINUTE because of the fact these billboards are being placed in areas where said black folks reside. Calm down. No one is saying that whites(misnomer!) are having it easy.

[Pete Bondurant]

There is this huge continent, maybe you've heard of it, Africa? Last I checked they are doing just swell in the population department and the black "race" is doing just fine.

...and 34 million of them are HIV positive. They're being slaughtered by Arab Muslims in Darfur and slavery is still practised in places like Niger and Mauretania.

[CadburyCremeGirl]

...and 34 million of them are HIV positive. They're being slaughtered by Arab Muslims in Darfur and slavery is still practised in places like Niger and Mauretania.

And that number will further balloon upwards if they don't put their collective feet down and tell the religious leaders on both sides "Look, I don't care if you say my using a condom is evil. I want to be responsible, so I am going to use it." and "These twisted ideas on how to remove AIDS is wrong. I'm going to a doctor"

What twisted ideas to I speak of? The idea that if you have sex with a virgin girl(emphasis on girl) that you can get rid of Aids. The thoughts go on.

Add that with the thought that women are no better than chattel there, and asking your significant other to use a condom is tanamount to saying you rape baboons...

things are NOT great HijabGirl

[Pete Bondurant]

And that number will further balloon upwards if they don't put their collective feet down and tell the religious leaders on both sides "Look, I don't care if you say my using a condom is evil. I want to be responsible, so I am going to use it." and "These twisted ideas on how to remove AIDS is wrong. I'm going to a doctor"

What twisted ideas to I speak of? The idea that if you have sex with a virgin girl(emphasis on girl) that you can get rid of Aids. The thoughts go on.

Add that with the thought that women are no better than chattel there, and asking your significant other to use a condom is tanamount to saying you rape baboons...

things are NOT great HijabGirl

No amount of preaching or lack thereof will cause an African man to use a condom. President Mbeki claimed that AIDS did not cause HIV and attempted to prevent the distribution of anti-retroviral medications in South Africa. Then there are the massive amount of rape incidents that occur. Someone who commits rape probably does not give a damn about condoms and/or HIV. Hell, they use the anti-retroviral drugs to get high.

[Rockin Ma]

Well, he was right Pete, technically. HIV causes AIDS, not the other way around... I think...

You aren't saying Africa is in denial of the AIDS crisis are you?

[Pete Bondurant]

Well, he was right Pete, technically. HIV causes AIDS, not the other way around... I think...

You aren't saying Africa is in denial of the AIDS crisis are you?

I fucking turned my back on that place. Makes me cry sometimes.

[HijabiGirl]

And that number will further balloon upwards if they don't put their collective feet down and tell the religious leaders on both sides "Look, I don't care if you say my using a condom is evil. I want to be responsible, so I am going to use it." and "These twisted ideas on how to remove AIDS is wrong. I'm going to a doctor"

What twisted ideas to I speak of? The idea that if you have sex with a virgin girl(emphasis on girl) that you can get rid of Aids. The thoughts go on.

Add that with the thought that women are no better than chattel there, and asking your significant other to use a condom is tanamount to saying you rape baboons...

things are NOT great HijabGirl

Who said they are great? I think you are confusing me with Pete though we are always on opposite ends of the opinion poll. As far as I am aware there is no religious edict against condoms in Africa, rather the prosittures will not get as much business if they demand their use. (not to mention they are almost impossible to get in rural areas)

The "virgin cure" is a backwards, ignorant village practice and can be directly correlated to lack of education. Most villagers have no idea what HIV/AIDS is and there really isn't any funding in place for the education. The only way to improve the situation over there is to educate, educate, educate. Otherwise the ignorance will rage on as well as the HIV/AIDS epidemic. That is what must be done.

And every third world country will treat women as chattel, also directly correlated to lack of education. The large cities in Africa with better education show a marked lack in backwards thinking...a lot like America actually. (I am from the deep south in the States and saw unbelievable ignorance across all ethnicites, it didn't dominate one group or another)

[Pete Bondurant]

The large cities in Africa with better education show a marked lack in backwards thinking...a lot like America actually. (I am from the deep south in the States and saw unbelievable ignorance across all ethnicites, it didn't dominate one group or another)

Do you mean.....places like....Johannesburg!?

[sheevaa]

In Canada, it's the Aboriginal people that are portrayed to have a lot of problems with overpopulation and poverty.
Honestly, you don't really see anyone cross the street when a black person walks toward them. I never even knew that there was still a huge racial divide with blacks and whites in the states, until I started speaking with a black man in the states about ten or so years ago.

Not trying to be ignorant, it's just different here. The problem is still the same though.
Still, I live in a crappier part in my city, and every day I see native and white mothers (usually) walking around with 3-4 kids that you know they can't afford. Most are either living hand to mouth, or simply living below the poverty line.

The ones I don't see often like that, are very family oriented cultures, such as Filipino and other Asian cultures. There's something to be learned there, IMO.

It's a huge problem in both our countries. I honestly think it's a stupid campaign to try and get people to stop abortions without endorsing birth control. Let's try and take care of all the unwanted kids we have already before adding more.

[CadburyCremeGirl]

...and 34 million of them are HIV positive. They're being slaughtered by Arab Muslims in Darfur and slavery is still practised in places like Niger and Mauretania.

No amount of preaching or lack thereof will cause an African man to use a condom. President Mbeki claimed that AIDS did not cause HIV and attempted to prevent the distribution of anti-retroviral medications in South Africa. Then there are the massive amount of rape incidents that occur. Someone who commits rape probably does not give a damn about condoms and/or HIV. Hell, they use the anti-retroviral drugs to get high.

Hense why I avoid that place like the plague. There are many awesome African folks, many of them that I know...but even they said as soon as they hit a certain age they hauled ass out of there.
There was this show on HBO where they were talking about how Upper middle class Blacks are moving to Africa because they would literally be princes there because of the transference rate there is just..beautiful.
The only folks they talked to though, seem to have this "America is evil to blacks" mindset that transends all the good they went through here.
Yes, America has screwed over everyone, especially the minorites. I'm not denying that. But we also have more possiblities for growth here. Even if you grow up dirt poor there's a chance you can do something with yourself.
Let me say it plainly: despite all the crap I get for being a black female here, I'd rather stay here or move to Canada. They fit my long term goals and I'd probally fit in the culture there better than if I went to Africa. I may not know, all I have to go on is what my mom experienced when she went to Tanzania for a missions trip and what I glean from various sources.
Oh, this will make you laugh. While my mom was there, she said the temperatures went up to about 109 degrees and she had to share a hut with another woman from the church. They had to sleep in their underwear and they were STILL hot.

[CadburyCremeGirl]

Who said they are great? I think you are confusing me with Pete though we are always on opposite ends of the opinion poll. As far as I am aware there is no religious edict against condoms in Africa, rather the prosittures will not get as much business if they demand their use. (not to mention they are almost impossible to get in rural areas)

The "virgin cure" is a backwards, ignorant village practice and can be directly correlated to lack of education. Most villagers have no idea what HIV/AIDS is and there really isn't any funding in place for the education. The only way to improve the situation over there is to educate, educate, educate. Otherwise the ignorance will rage on as well as the HIV/AIDS epidemic. That is what must be done.

And every third world country will treat women as chattel, also directly correlated to lack of education. The large cities in Africa with better education show a marked lack in backwards thinking...a lot like America actually. (I am from the deep south in the States and saw unbelievable ignorance across all ethnicites, it didn't dominate one group or another)

One: I am not confusing you for Pete. No one could confuse you for Pete. Trust me.
That being said, yes the "virgin cure" is backwards and can be correlated to lack of an education. But with that being said, when you have people attempting to force you to stay ignorant, something is very very wrong. It's like the people in the Allegory of the Cave, who, when one brave person leaves them and tells them that there is more, they kill him.

Also, about the south. As a person who lives as deep south as you can get(Louisiana) I know about the education problem. And yes, it is equal in a sense among all folks, but it is meted out a little too much among the poor and desititute. So I get where you are coming from.

[malq]

There was this show on HBO where they were talking about how Upper middle class Blacks are moving to Africa because they would literally be princes there because of the transference rate there is just..beautiful.
The only folks they talked to though, seem to have this "America is evil to blacks" mindset that transends all the good they went through here.

That is interesting. I never thought of it that way, But I bet your right. The Blacks moving to Africa from the US may be disgruntled and poisoning the minds of the people who have never experienced it. Like our image isn't bad enough. I have spent a lot of time in other countries. Enough to know we have a really shitty rep.
Unless we are giving billions for the disaster of the day.

[malq]

The ones I don't see often like that, are very family oriented cultures, such as Filipino and other Asian cultures. There's something to be learned there, IMO.

The reasons you don't see Asians in the hole very often is definitely a culture thing. They are bred to excel. A 4.0 grade point average is not enough. it is a 4.2 that gets the attention. This exercise in demographics is very apparent in upper education classes. family values may be a factor, but it is more of a sense of shame and pride. If a man cannot take care of his family he is shunned and declassed. No Asian man will disgrace himself or his family. He would rather die in the extreme.

I was commenting to a friend recently about a nationwide chess tournament, with 1500 boards, 3000 players. I have watched them for years.
The demographics are the same every time. The top 100 boards are all Asian. Followed second by whitey and then the hispanics and finally blacks. (excluding the exceptions of course)

One could say this the smartness by race, but I disagree. I think it is culture and how your culture has bred itself to excel.

Not racist just the facts.

[Athena]

As far as I am aware there is no religious edict against condoms in Africa, rather the prosittures will not get as much business if they demand their use. (not to mention they are almost impossible to get in rural areas)

The Catholic Church, which is very active in Africa, is against birth control. Most Christian organizations are indirectly against birth control because they are pro-abstinence. So, while I would agree that there is no single religious edict, per se, because so much of the help coming from outside is Christian in nature, condoms are not advocated like they should be.

The reasons you don't see Asians in the hole very often is definitely a culture thing. They are bred to excel. A 4.0 grade point average is not enough. it is a 4.2 that gets the attention. This exercise in demographics is very apparent in upper education classes. family values may be a factor, but it is more of a sense of shame and pride. If a man cannot take care of his family he is shunned and declassed. No Asian man will disgrace himself or his family. He would rather die in the extreme.

Actually, it's got less to do with that and more to do with the fact that the traditional family structure, eating habits, etc. were designed to make due with limited resources. Asian families live in the hood just like everyone else - their children are being seducted by the gang life and they've bought into the bling - but with multiple generations to a household and more shared items (cars and such), they're better set up to stretch what they make.

[battery jackson]

Are you fucking dudes serious? So because someone got a six pack of kids, AND are not white they are obviously receiving money from welfare or aren't hard workers?

i am the opposite of patient. anyone slower than me who doesn't get out of my way is a problem, a serious problem. at the wrong (or right?) time, such wasters of time are the only problem. at 7:30 in the morning i don't give a fuck about any person on this planet, unless they are in my way. and in that case then i care about such a person only enough to wish they would go away permanently. ever lose precious time stuck behind a slow fatass nasty broad with 74.4 kids who couldnt get her crusty EBT card to work the first 42 times when you're trying to pay for your freshly made food with cash in a prompt and efficient manner? honestly with wait times like these it's no wonder that people on welfare don't have jobs. they'd be late for everything and get fired by day 3. race has little to do with it though. it's socioeconomic, so please re-read all that i have written before coming at me with the faux outrage. down south the slow fatass nasty broads with 74.4 kids that take too long with their crusty EBT cards (and ghastly accents) are pretty much all white, but equally as repulsive and in the damn way. but i don't live down south anymore, and i thank god every day for that. i live in brooklyn, a far superior place where there just happens to not be many white people period, let alone white slow walking welfare cases with too many children that get in the damn way. so don't get it twisted m'lady...

And how dare that woman bring their kids out to your deli in the morning. That bitch should keep the kids indoors and make them eat something purchased off her food stamps. They are clearly not deserving to be out in public enjoying public places.

WTF, seriously?

exactly! aside from the fact that being packed into a small deli with a bunch of people who aren't actually getting anything IN the deli is not particularly enjoyable in any way, "that bitch" should keep her kids out of my way so i don't trip over them or get held up by them, losing precious time, as they obstruct my pathway by hanging around moping in horizontal lines or circles. and god bless them if they step on my sneakers because that right there is the unacceptable of unacceptables.

the only other thing more annoying in public venue is the bitch/bastard carrying a giant bag that they can't keep to themselves, so in turn i have come up with a simple guideline for interpersonal activity in public venue:
"your bags are an extension of you, and so are your damn kids. so keep them out of the motherfuckin way please. "

[MissKerosene]

Ok I suck I have been away all weekend and missed the lively chat here due to my mans 40th surprise bday party turning into an all weekend insane pish up.

But I would like to state for the record that any assumption anyone has made of me in regards to my race and why I stated the things I did on this thread just makes me LMFAO, so thanks for the giggle.

Now I must go sit in my tipi on my little viking island.

[Rockin Ma]

i am the opposite of patient. anyone slower than me who doesn't get out of my way is a problem, a serious problem. at the wrong (or right?) time, such wasters of time are the only problem. at 7:30 in the morning i don't give a fuck about any person on this planet, unless they are in my way. and in that case then i care about such a person only enough to wish they would go away permanently. ever lose precious time stuck behind a slow fatass nasty broad with 74.4 kids who couldnt get her crusty EBT card to work the first 42 times when you're trying to pay for your freshly made food with cash in a prompt and efficient manner? honestly with wait times like these it's no wonder that people on welfare don't have jobs. they'd be late for everything and get fired by day 3. race has little to do with it though. it's socioeconomic, so please re-read all that i have written before coming at me with the faux outrage. down south the slow fatass nasty broads with 74.4 kids that take too long with their crusty EBT cards (and ghastly accents) are pretty much all white, but equally as repulsive and in the damn way. but i don't live down south anymore, and i thank god every day for that. i live in brooklyn, a far superior place where there just happens to not be many white people period, let alone white slow walking welfare cases with too many children that get in the damn way. so don't get it twisted m'lady...




exactly! aside from the fact that being packed into a small deli with a bunch of people who aren't actually getting anything IN the deli is not particularly enjoyable in any way, "that bitch" should keep her kids out of my way so i don't trip over them or get held up by them, losing precious time, as they obstruct my pathway by hanging around moping in horizontal lines or circles. and god bless them if they step on my sneakers because that right there is the unacceptable of unacceptables.

the only other thing more annoying in public venue is the bitch/bastard carrying a giant bag that they can't keep to themselves, so in turn i have come up with a simple guideline for interpersonal activity in public venue:
"your bags are an extension of you, and so are your damn kids. so keep them out of the motherfuckin way please. "

Simply, you should leave the house earlier in the morning.