WASHINGTON: Pope Benedict XVI on Thursday chided Americans for a moral breakdown he said had fueled the church’s child sex abuse scandal.
Pope Benedict, celebrating a stadium mass for 45,000 people, acknowledged that the United States pedophile priests scandal caused "indescribable pain and harm" to victims but asked Catholics to love their pastors.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/W...ow/2960386.cms
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Fuck you pope scum that looks like Robert Blake in Lost Higway.
The "child sex abuse scandal" is fueld by the child sex abuse and the turds that protected those sick pedophile fucks and tried to keep the stories under wrap instead of handing them to the law, not by porno made and watched by consenting adults... You filthy pice of shit. Gooooood I hate this fucker!
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Well, you can look at it as priests protecting pedophiles, or you can look at it as Americans protecting pedophiles. The clergymen were Americans, after all. I haven't researched the issue much - is there evidence that clergymen outside of the U.S. were involved in protecting these men while the abuse was happening (as opposed to trying to avoid liability, which came afterwards)?
The article continues on to quote him as saying: "What does it mean to speak of child protection when pornography and violence can be viewed in so many homes through media widely available today?"
"Children deserve to grow up with a healthy understanding of sexuality and its proper place in human relationships. They should be spared the degrading manifestations and the crude manipulation of sexuality so prevalent today."
Granted, I don't believe violent and sexual media creates pedophiles, but that doesn't seem to be what he's saying, here. Moreso, the opinion that this stuff is a problem (that may contribute in some way), is not an unreasonable perspective for the head of a church to hold. Scientific data isn't really their primary concern, after all.
Ive heard tons of cases of the cleregy doing the church switcharoo here in Mexico, Latin america and spain, prolly happens often in other catolic countries like italy and ireland tho to be frank I dont remember any cases of the bat. What im sure is its not a US exclusive thing at all, that is for sure.
The catholic church as a whole is scum and is a heaven for pedophiles, Im willing to bet many bush dodgers dont believe in that crap they preach at all and just chose it as a job to have easy acces to kids and ultra protection when they get caugth.
Hmmmmmm.....a catholic speaking about moral breakdowns? The abusive priests rarely, if ever face any criminal charges for the acts they commit. The church just hushes it all up, pays off the victim, and lets the priest start all over again in a new community.
"Never make a decision when you need to pee."
--Leonard Cohen (Beautiful Losers)
So now this creepy ass dude that looks like a Pedo himself, is saying it's all America's fault. Fuck you prick. No wonder the pope get's shot at. Everytime I see his mug in a picture it creeps my ass out. Besides the fact that there is something wrong with a religion that pushes women into a role as just a breeder, and that as a "representative of the church" the priests have to be celibate, and stuck around other men.
Bah! No wonder I don't like catholics.
OUR SOCIETY HAS SUFFERED A MORAL BREAKDOWN!
Compare television and music of 1958 to television and music of 2008.
It's loud, obscene, grotesque, vulger, profane......
I mean, that's fine for us NORMAL individuals, but don't think that there HASN'T been a general dumbing down of society in the past fifty years. We're a messed up bunch of people, let's face it. I don't know what the answer is. I am not a religious person. It's just that, in so many ways, society has just fallen into a cultural abyss. I grew up listening to MOZART. These kids have never heard of him! They listen to some gang-bangin', gun-toting, quasi-literate thug "singing" about "bitches and hos," who brag about being criminals. I would move to Ireland or Switzerland or something, but the kids there act like thugs too! Maybe we need some guy like Pinochet to just take over and kill everybody, I don't know. I need more clozapine.
He didn't say that at all, actually. If ANYTHING, he stated that America's hyper-sexualized, violent media isn't helping anything.Originally Posted by Totemic
It's not a stance that I share, but let's not put words in the man's mouth and berate him for something he never said...
Go compare radio from 1958 with radio from 1920. It is loud, obscene, grotesque, vulger, profane......
People hate change. So the shit the next generation does is crazy, while the shit they did was perfectly normal.
As for a moral breakdown, in the "age of enlightenment" that you cite, 1958, blacks had almost no rights. Women were shunned from the workplace. Do you really think that our morals were stronger then? Really?
What if we go back further, to when we could own people? Or when we burned witches? Or when we stoned people to death? Or when procreation == rape?
Back in the day, I would have hunted you down and skull-fucked you for saying something stupid. But we have moved on. Haven't we, you dumbass?
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i agree with His Eminence, we are all pretty much going to hell in a handbasket.
i wish we could go back to the days when Rome ruled the world, and sex with little boys was a good thing.
Ok, granted Athena. I didn't fully read the whole thing, but still he is a creepy looking dude. I won't change that
1920's music was not more or less obscene than in 1958. Yes, change can be very frightening, but it seems that a society wherein the term "pimp" has become praiseworthy is suffering from a distinct bout of cultural decay. Generally speaking, throughout history, I cannot recall reading about musicians gunning each other down as happens among hip-hop performers of today. Mozart and Haydn weren't trying to kill one another. Maybe they SHOULD HAVE killed Handel, I don't know. It's worth thinking about, maybe.
I never said that 1958 was an age of enlightenment, as you put it, but today one-third of black men at any given time are in prison, on parole or on probation. Some things get better and some things get worse. I just don't f'n like rap music! Is that so wrong? You don't have to hunt me down and skull fuck me. Besides, women WERE NOT shunned from the workplace in 1958. They were nurses, secretaries, school teachers and prostitutes. It wasn't the dark ages. Lighten up, Francis. You'll end up having an aneurysm or something.
BTW, I'm all for witches being burned. It has to be better than anything on television. My Name Is Earl? Please.......:D
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It was if you're from 1928. Every generation is the same, they all loathe the change in the next generation. If you can't see how people are being treated more equally today than in the 1950's you're inconsolable. The curve of objective morality goes up, continuously, throughout human history. To ignore it means you have no historical perspective, only your own opinion, which is that rap music sucks (I agree) therefore the generation that produced it must be a collection of immoral simpletons (I don't agree). Yours is a weak stance to take at best because it's based off of opinion rather than fact.
And I believe Ireland has a higher percentage of Catholic pederasses, something I don't think the church would readily like the world to know. I don't think the media is to blame, it's an easy scrapegoat in any case, rather I think that the church provides a safe haven for people that have this problem. It gives them easy and private access to children while granting them positions of percieved power. If you think about it the best option if you're a pedophile is to become a clergy.
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Thats for sure, those cooky kids and their negro devil rock music now on the ears of out teens by those satan helpers like Elvis Presley and Jerry Lee Lewis...
Thats what im saying, we are far beyond the point of non pedo guy's that are prohibited from sex so turn into abusing kids because they are easier to manipulate and keep hush to the point where you have full fledge pedophiles joining the clerigy for the many "work perks" they see were given so freeley to the formers... its sick.
That's a pretty good point. Shouldn't they be above watching gluttonous amounts of horror flicks and shouldn't they abstain from listening to black metal and rap? Isn't that part of being a part of the clergy, the ability to resist worldly temptations? What hypocrisy. They aren't even good at blame storming, and he is supposed to the the spiritual and moral voice of the religion? Wow.
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I agree with you Angel, even before the bible was written, the pedophiles were busy. The Pope has to blame something for the problem, why not the American media of today. That turns the problem back on America and away from his religion. We are in blame anything you can society. They blame anything (furniture mostly) and anyone that they can to keep themselves out of trouble. The Pope should have said, "In all religions there is light and dark, good and evil and the Devil, the dark or evil part has an influence, turning people from the light, good or God”. That puts the blame where it belongs in religion.
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I would not be surprised if the priesthood is sought out by certain of these men for that reason. Look at the benefits: cherubic young boys who will do what you say, the protection of the draconian Church, the "belief" that a priest would never do such a thing.
I do know that some gay men have sought out the priesthood to be with other gay men. Considering the church's stance on Homosexuality, that reeks of irony.
Nurseronda: Funny you should mention furniture. Tables were given long table skirts because men are so unable to contain their urges that a well turned table leg could drive him to a sexual frenzy and cause him to do unmentionable things to the piece of furniture.
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Originally posted by Angel:
I think this entire discussion is ridiculous. Blaming anything, be it America, low moral standards, or lax supervision of priests for the rise in pedophilia all amounts to the same thing - and that is, it's fucking bullshit! I have said many times, and it applies in this case as well, that you cannot go around blaming others for your own sick obsessions and proclivities. When we here at D'D hear of a pedo or child abuser using the excuse "But my daddy/mommy/uncle/neighbor did this to me when I was a kid, so you shouldn't blame me for doing it too", we call bullshit. Every time. Or at least I do.
Blaming prevalent sex and violence in the media, or easy access to such things, for the increase in pedophilia is THE SAME FUCKING THING! Just because you are abused as a child does not give you the right to abuse others, nor does it give you an excuse to do so. And if actually enduring it yourself is not an excuse, then simply hearing or seeing it on TV is even less of an excuse. Thousands of people watch porn, listen to rap music, and watch violent movies. I have been guilty of all of those things at least once in my life. So has most everyone in this forum, I would imagine. We do not use that as an excuse to beat or rape our children. Because we know it is wrong.
A pedo is a pedo, is a pedo. End of story. Using ANY religious organization to cover for or protect a pedo is wrong and immoral. And it has nothing to do with questionable media offerings in America. These sick fucks choose to do these horrible things knowing full well that they are wrong. Especially the preists. Not only is it morally (societally) wrong for priests, it is also, according to the religion they have been ordained to teach and practice, a SIN. They know better, but do it anyway.
As for the pope's assertion that media is to blame in the priests' fall from grace - what the fuck were they doing watching porn and listening to rap music anyway?! Don't y'all have rules against that kind of thing for your boys of the cloth, Mr. Pope Man? They were pervs before they ever sought out that kind of 'media', or they wouldn't have been watching it in the first place. Media, my ass. Fuck off, Pope-daddy.:grrrrrr:
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You mean like this guy?
http://www.dreamindemon.com/forums/s...ead.php?t=2499
Goddamn Catholic scum.....
Just hang the damned priests and rescind their tax exempt status. That will solve everything. :)
BTW, I'm all for witches being burned. It has to be better than anything on television. My Name Is Earl? Please.......[/B]:D[/QUOTE]
pete, take this any way you like. i happen to be a witch (yes it is as valid a belief system as yours) & i live in NH. they say anyone can be found on the net. you're invited to try & find me & bring your bic. i dare you! Fuck Off!
http://www.mountcashelorphanage.com/page%20thirteen.htm
http://www.mountcashelorphanage.com/...0seventeen.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congreg...stian_Brothers
Just a sampling of what happened in Canada, especially Newfoundland. These men were next to God in the eyes of God-fearing Catholics and everyone covered up their crimes; the police, social workers, you name it.
When the shit hit the fan, the Catholic church owed a lot of money to these now grown men who were beaten and raped. These men were just children living in an orphanage run by these bastards. The church would move the priests to other areas to cover up their crimes instead of ensuring justice was served. It was this event that caused me to turn my back on the Catholic church and I was not alone. The reason this abuse occured, at least here in Newfoundland, was due to the fact that there was not a seperation of Church and state. No one believed that these boys, as numerous as the complaints were, were telling the truth. They couldn't believe it. 'A man of God could never commit such crimes!' It turns my stomache that ALL OVER THE WORLD, these 'men of God' were exploiting children. I can understand people blaming porn, music, the weather, whatever the fuck they want, but when the abuse occurred in a 'simpler' time, what is the excuse? The fact remains that years ago, society did not talk about sex abuse; out of sight, out of mind, turn a blind eye, all that good stuff. We can blame anything we want but at the end of the day we have to realise that this has been going on for centuries. Bottom line: Scandal is a no-no when you worship the Almighty Dollar instead of The Almighty. We can't have patrons giving money hand over fist of they think we are diddlers so keep that shit quiet.
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You are correct, sir. Back in the day, our musicians didn't shoot at each other, our POLITICIANS DID! They shot and killed one another and it was LEGAL.
100 years later, our politicians were spitting on one another and PUNCHING EACH OTHER IN THE FACE DURING SESSION.
100 years later, and our politicians put out "Negative Ads".
Yeah, you are right, we are going to hell in a hand-basket.
When people talk of human greatness, I know they have never studied astronomy. When they talk of human failings, I know they have never studied history.
Why was my first post deleted? Chud quoted one paragraph of it, but the original post is not there anymore. Did I piss someone other than my husband off tonight? Is Morbid pissed at me too for some reason? Or Imp? Athena? Swivel? Fuck, Can I not please anyone anymore?:(
Never mind, I found it. I guess it got accidentally deleted and Athena reposted it for me. Thanks, Athena. Sorry for bitching, but at this point if my night were to suck any more than it already had, I would have to be in a black hole.....maybe that's not such a bad idea. Anyone here who might be able to direct me there?
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I don't think that Mr. Hamilton thought Mr. Burr was such a good shot,:D otherwise......
Anyway, to quote Herr Hitler: "I would be inclined to allow dueling between lawyers and priests." ;)
pete, take this any way you like. i happen to be a witch (yes it is as valid a belief system as yours) & i live in NH. they say anyone can be found on the net. you're invited to try & find me & bring your bic. i dare you! Fuck Off![/QUOTE]
I have always taken a great deal of pride in the fact that my belief system has no validity whatever. Maybe My Name Is Earl is not so bad, perhaps I should have written; Desperate Housewives. Bics are rather weak, I think. I would rather utilise an LPO-50 portable infantry flamethrower. This Soviet made weapon is comprised of three vertical tanks carried upon the back connected via a one-way valve to a three nozzle hose. The LPO-50 has a range of 20 meters using liquid fuel and 70 meters using thickened fuel, and sufficient fuel for a three second burst.
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