Phoebe Prince, Cyber Bullied To Death

[Jaded]

I am reopening this thread on the condition that all conversation stays on topic - and by on topic, I mean pertaining to the suicide of Phoebe Prince.

If you continue to take issue with any moderators and/or admin, take it up with Morbid or myself or hash it out in PM's.

[Pennie]

http://www.herald.ie/national-news/p...g-2033764.html
Phoebe suicide sparks new text bully warning

The tragic death of Phoebe, the pretty Irish student who took a suspected overdose on January 14, has now highlighted the issue of bullying worldwide.

It is believed that Phoebe (15) was tormented by a gang of girls in a US school, to which she had moved from Co Clare last summer. It is also thought that she was harassed outside school by text messages.

[skeptik]

I thought she hung herself?

[Pennie]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXf6-X1AXII"]YouTube- Teen Cyber-Bulled to Death?[/ame]


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsSbfmjZT4c"]YouTube- Justice for Phoebe Prince! STOP BULLYING IN SCHOOLS !!![/ame]

[Dakota Valkyrie]

I thought she hung herself?

People always look for a reason behind suicide. Who's to say she wouldn't have done it anyway for another reason? Maybe because she missed Ireland, or some boy broke up with her, or whatever was going on in the home, or one of the many other reasons people think up before they take the permanent solution to a temporary problem.

[skeptik]

People always look for a reason behind suicide. Who's to say she wouldn't have done it anyway for another reason? Maybe because she missed Ireland, or some boy broke up with her, or whatever was going on in the home, or one of the many other reasons people think up before they take the permanent solution to a temporary problem.

I totally agree. I was just questioning the report of an overdose.

The tragic death of Phoebe, the pretty Irish student who took a suspected overdose on January 14, has now highlighted the issue of bullying worldwide.

[biteme]

so if the 'mean girls' lied to the po po about it...couldn't they just get into Phoebe's computer or phone and do reverse isp look up? not that it would change anything, but it could be done.

it pisses me off that they jacked her memorial page. thats not only cruel to her but to anyone who cared about her.

I think it shows how self centered, entitled and out of control these bitches are, to not feel any remorse and still attack her in death is so disgusting, I would assume at that point their parents had to have known what was going on and still did nothing to correct their actions or hold them responsible in any way. Many of the issues we read about on here really come down to bad parenting and parents that expect the school system to raise their children for them

[biteme]

How do you combat cyberbullying?

Here's the secret: (are you listening)

Teach your kids to love themselves. Create in them a sense of purpose, selfworth, and self confidence. Show them that no matter what happens, you will always love them and that they mean something to you and your life.

You MUST start using this secret from the time they are old enough to understand your words and actions.

For those of you who may not have started already, it is NEVER to late...you just may have to play catch-up.

When a child feels wanted and loved and important and empowered, they can survive anything that life will throw at them. They will be able to embrace the goodness in life and reject the evil. They will have the necessary tools to differentiate between real life and fantasy. Kids who feel bullied by the cyberworld obviously cannot tell the difference between reality and fantasy.

(Actually, that could be said for a LOT of adults also)

Just feel it's important to bring this post up again, well said and true

[myra manes]

Overdose?
Original reports stated she hung herself ..

Maybe she took a pile of pills, then hung herself? : /

[Saffron]

Again, I totally disagree. That post belittles EVERYONE who has ever lost a child due to suicide by stating that they didn't love to teach their kids enough self worth.

I shouldn't even reply because this fight is supposed to have moved to Three Things.

I understand that these kids didn't murder Phoebe. She chose do die on her own. However, kids need to be taught common decency and behavior. Schools are there to teach not just educational topics but how to be a community. Bullies do not belong in any community.

[Pennie]

Unfortunately for the alleged bullies an "Anonymous" group of people have taken it upon themselves to post 6 of the alleged bullies FB accounts and personal info on a FB page. I will not post a link, these girls are minors. If Morbid or a Mod want it thats fine. I hope it gets shut down, but have a feeling another will just pop up if it does. : (

[Dakota Valkyrie]

Unfortunately for the alleged bullies an "Anonymous" group of people have taken it upon themselves to post all the alleged bullies FB accounts and personal info on a FB page. I will not post a link, these girls are minors. If Morbid or a Mod want it thats fine. I hope it gets shut down, but have a feeling another will just pop up if it does. : (

So people are out to do EXACTLY what they are complaining the "mean girls" did? How the fuck does that make sense or even set an example? What if one of those girls kills themselves? /me facetious

[Pennie]

So people are out to do EXACTLY what they are complaining the "mean girls" did? How the fuck does that make sense or even set an example? What if one of those girls kills themselves? /me facetious

This Anon group is not exactly known for giving a shit. What is more shocking is that they are sticking up for her to begin with.

If it did not have the girls personal info I'd link it, the comments thus far are civil. Then again it has not been up very long.

[biteme]

Again, I totally disagree. That post belittles EVERYONE who has ever lost a child due to suicide by stating that they didn't love to teach their kids enough self worth.

I shouldn't even reply because this fight is supposed to have moved to Three Things.

I understand that these kids didn't murder Phoebe. She chose do die on her own. However, kids need to be taught common decency and behavior. Schools are there to teach not just educational topics but how to be a community. Bullies do not belong in any community.

I keep forgetting the not 100% disclaimer, I said I'd put on all my posts going forward, being close to children involved in a positive way and them knowing you're there for them is a big plus and not dumping the responsibility of raising them on the school, I don't send my kids to school to learn to be responsible social human beings I taught them before and during school years, it's the parents responsibility to teach decency and raise responsible children and send decent behaved children to school for an education
nothing is 100% effective

[Echo]

I don't know how I feel about Bullying the Bullies. It is a tad hypocritical no? As much as I want them to feel what it was like to walk in Pheobe's shoes, bullying them won't solve the problem of bullying.

Its a shame people didn't stand up to them and defend Pheobe before she died. And what is with the overdose thing? I thought hung herself?

[battery jackson]

the ends justify the means, fuck it. see how they like it.

[Echo]

I found the FB page Pennie. I don't see any personal information posted on it though. Just a profile picture of what I assume are the girls that bullied her with cartoon bubbles coming out of their mouths that say" "I murdered Pheobe Prince, FTW"

[Pennie]

I found the FB page Pennie. I don't see any personal information posted on it though. Just a profile picture of what I assume are the girls that bullied her with cartoon bubbles coming out of their mouths that say" "I murdered Pheobe Prince, FTW"

thats not the one.

[Athena]

Again, I totally disagree. That post belittles EVERYONE who has ever lost a child due to suicide by stating that they didn't love to teach their kids enough self worth.

Yes and no. I think it goes without saying that parents should assist their children in developing self-esteem, but the reality of the situation is that this doesn't always happen. You yourself have shared a particularly painful story about parents who actively depleated your self-esteem. If you had committed suicide, that would have absolutely reflected back on your parents.

HOWEVER, what that post neglects is the X-factor that is suicidal tendency. The will to survive is the driving factor for humanity - for ALL animals. It is the single most powerful instinct within us. Well, most of us. Generally, even the worst environmental factors can't override that will to survive. When it comes to suicide, environmental factors only exploit a tendency that already exists within a person. This is a tendency that cannot necessarily be fixed by even the most ideal parenting, and I wince at the thought of compounding the grief already felt by parents by suggesting that the suicide could have been avoided had they only tried a little harder. That's not always the case.

Now, regarding the FB page exposing the bullies - that's not cool. While it appeals to our emotional interest in vengence, it's hypocritical and, honestly, very dangerous. Grief counselors get sent to schools who've encountered suicide because it can trigger other suicides. These bullies are dealing with consequences from school and may be looking at legal consequences. The weight of the entire world's eyes has fallen on them, and they are undoubtedly reading the myriad articles illustrating them as inhuman monsters.

In the event that this is having an effect on any of them, the last thing we want to do is turn them into victims as well. This situation doesn't need a higher body count.

[Athena]

the ends justify the means, fuck it. see how they like it.

F.A. Hayek once wrote in loose reference to the Nazi regime, "The principle that the end justifies the means is in individualist ethics regarded as the denial of all morals."

"The denial of ALL morals."

Turning these girls into victims themselves does NOTHING to strengthen the anti-bullying platform. If anything, people will begin to feel sympathy for them and start rallying in their defense. Does that make sense to you? Or did you not get that far, yet?

[Pennie]

Yes and no. I think it goes without saying that parents should assist their children in developing self-esteem, but the reality of the situation is that this doesn't always happen. You yourself have shared a particularly painful story about parents who actively depleated your self-esteem. If you had committed suicide, that would have absolutely reflected back on your parents.

HOWEVER, what that post neglects is the X-factor that is suicidal tendency. The will to survive is the driving factor for humanity - for ALL animals. It is the single most powerful instinct within us. Well, most of us. Generally, even the worst environmental factors can't override that will to survive. When it comes to suicide, environmental factors only exploit a tendency that already exists within a person. This is a tendency that cannot necessarily be fixed by even the most ideal parenting, and I wince at the thought of compounding the grief already felt by parents by suggesting that the suicide could have been avoided had they only tried a little harder. That's not always the case.

Now, regarding the FB page exposing the bullies - that's not cool. While it appeals to our emotional interest in vengence, it's hypocritical and, honestly, very dangerous. Grief counselors get sent to schools who've encountered suicide because it can trigger other suicides. These bullies are dealing with consequences from school and may be looking at legal consequences. The weight of the entire world's eyes has fallen on them, and they are undoubtedly reading the myriad articles illustrating them as inhuman monsters.

In the event that this is having an effect on any of them, the last thing we want to do is turn them into victims as well. This situation doesn't need a higher body count.

Well hopefully others will report it, I have. One of them already closed a myspace because they had changed their mood status today to "accomplished" and she probably got attacked on her page for it.

[Echo]

thats not the one.

I found it. They have posted EVERYTHING about them. Full names, addresses, phone numbers, all of their facebook pages.

I wouldn't be surprised if these girls are sought out and beat up. Even if FB takes that page down, if you google their names Pheobe Prince comes up and they come up as the girls that bullied them. One girl has already deleted her Myspace and another has deleted her Facebook. Her mood was apparently set to "accomplished"

Honestly, nothing good can come out of this.

[battery jackson]

F.A. Hayek once wrote in loose reference to the Nazi regime, "The principle that the end justifies the means is in individualist ethics regarded as the denial of all morals."

"The denial of ALL morals."

Turning these girls into victims themselves does NOTHING to strengthen the anti-bullying platform. If anything, people will begin to feel sympathy for them and start rallying in their defense. Does that make sense to you? Or did you not get that far, yet?

i agree, and normally subscribe to that philosophy, at least when it's applied to goverments, laws, institutions, and codified rules, because they can only go so far before they screw everyone like the nazis. there's no interpersonal introspection or judgment really going on there, at least not enough of it. it's a square peg for a round hole. however there are situations where going about things in such a manner will ultimately achieve nothing and merely preserve the status quo as is where modifications are clearly required. this is what i am noticing here. the streets and individuals operate on a different premise than governments, laws, and other authoritative stuff written down pertaining to groups, etc. the only way people who unapologetically behave so callously in such a sociopathic manner (while strategically remaining in the gray area of a codified detached innocence) will ever learn anything is if what they inflicted will be inflicted upon them so they can experience it firsthand and be forced to face the error of their ways. while two wrongs dont necessarily make a right, they can and will given the proper circumstances. of course this is a power and responsibility that must be wielded wisely and with prudence, because i'm not advocating an anarchist parade with orgies on the streets populated by only amputee police officers, nor a wild west environment where everyone shoots everyone when they get angry.

the only true universal law regarding interpersonal relations is "turnabout is fair play." it's when it's not that people stay trying to gain the upper hand while thinking nothing of what it's like to get the short end of the stick. therefore they must be taught. implicit defenses of such behavior rooted in premises based elsewhere will only be emboldening, and we just can't have that. sometimes we just need to take matters into our own hands and nip certain trends and elements in the bud. and best of all, we can do it without law, police, administrators, school handbooks, OR mommy and daddy.

[Echo]

Turning them into victims of bullying is going to do nothing but make people sympathize with them and most of all it is counterproductive.

Their names and home addresses are all over the internet at this point; they could be killed.

I am seriously conflicted. This is a dangerous game some are playing.

No bueno.

[MC30]

wtf? these girls are bragging about it on fb?

[Pennie]

Turning them into victims of bullying is going to do nothing but make people sympathize with them and most of all it is counterproductive.

There names and home addresses are all over the internet at this point; they could be killed.

I am seriously conflicted. This is a dangerous game some are playing.

No bueno.

There is no good that can come of this. : ( I reported the page.

[Pennie]

wtf? these girls are bragging about it on fb?

I don't have an idea what they had said before they were all hacked by a Anonymous group of hackers. The pages are changing every few minutes now with weird shit that is not from the girls. Some of the girls changed their emotions to "accomplished" on myspace and that seemed to upset this anonymous group of peeps.

[battery jackson]

Turning them into victims of bullying is going to do nothing but make people sympathize with them and most of all it is counterproductive.

There names and home addresses are all over the internet at this point; they could be killed.

I am seriously conflicted. This is a dangerous game some are playing.

No bueno.

daaaaaaam. is it possible to be both proud and not proud of what they did at the same time? that is officially a war.

[MC30]

I don't have an idea what they had said before they were all hacked by a Anonymous group of hackers. The pages are changing every few minutes now with weird shit that is not from the girls. Some of the girls changed their emotions to "accomplished" on myspace and that seemed to upset this anonymous group of peeps.

thanks. i was confuzzled.

[Saffron]

As much as I want them to learn a lesson for how they treated poor Phoebe, NO ONE deserves that kind of treatment. No one including them.

At least I'm thinking they will get the message that being nice to people is the best policy.